Jewish groups back Muslims on minaret ban

Isn't the point of this article - that the Jews are supporting the Muslims right to put up minarets on their places of worship. That is to say how their building of worship is allowed to be built.

Not the Vitriol that it has degenerated into !

JUST SAYIN

Another one bites the dust...

"You have fallen into the usual PC MC trap of moral equivalence. This partly happens because of ignorance concerning the fundamental difference between the Bible and the Koran."

I know what PC is, but what the fuck is MC? I've heard this same exact rhetoric before, many, many times.

"The Old Testament is history and many unfortunate and cruel statements are no longer accepted and taken literally by Christians."

http://www.godhatesfags.com
http://www.dailymorality.com/
http://www.tencommandments.org/

"Islam has not."

It depends on the individual. Extremists and many conservatives still believe in the Quran fully and literally. But there are many Muslims who do not believe that you have to stone adulterers and put non-believers to the sword. Otherwise, the world would be in flames. America has anywhere from two to eight million Muslims, who are not harming anybody.

"The whole thing is a no-brainer, except for the fifth column Left and its soft brained alliance with evil driven by hatred for its own culture and values."

Yeah, insult people who disagree with you instead of engaging in a rational argument. I've heard this exact same venomous rhetoric before on here.

"ll you do is throw out blind accusations without backing it up with any evidence."

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Over 20% of Switzerland's population is immigrants? Wow! No wonder there is a nationalistic fervor among the native population. I believe anti-immigration movements are going to be more and more popular among native born nationals world wide.

robidog said:

"Abuse reported by robidog. Here is the issue: hate speech. he is accusing 51% of the swiss of nazism Hello robidog, This comment is not considered hate speech. The community member is not making “sweeping generalizations about a particular group of people,” they are referring to those who voted a certain way. Also, as we say in our community guidelines, “just because someone disagrees with you on an issue doesn't necessarily make their statements hate speech” and continuously flagging content simply because you disagree or do not like what they are saying is abusing the flagging system. Sincerely, Danielle 'they are referring to those who voted in a certain way' So as far as Danielle and Current are concerned, it's quite acceptable to call 2 million Swiss people Nazis. Go figure."

2 million Swiss people did NOT vote for this ban. 57% of those who voted voted for this ban. Only 53% of those eligible to vote actually voted. This brings the percentage of pro-minaret-ban voters to a tiny tad above 30% of those eligible to vote voted for this ban. The population of Switzerland has over 20% immigrants - then you need to factor out all the Swiss who are not eligible to vote - i.e. all those under the age of 18, among others. The total population of Switzerland is about 7.5 million people, including the non-Swiss.

So your statement that anyone called 2 million Swiss people "Nazis" is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is not so much all those who voted for that ban who are Nazis, it is the Swiss People's Party - whose leaders are known Nazi sympathizers and racist - whom one can call Nazis because they largely espouse Nazi philosophy and ways.

@goodname: You have fallen into the usual PC MC trap of moral equivalence. This partly happens because of ignorance concerning the fundamental difference between the Bible and the Koran.
The Old Testament is history and many unfortunate and cruel statements are no longer accepted and taken literally by Christians. Show me one Christian who would advocate putting to death anyone who works on Sunday. The point you are making is utterly ridiculous and very careless indeed. It is beyond a joke.
Judaism and Christianity moved on from these edicts a long time ago. There is even an incident in the Koran when Mohammed attacks the Jews for deciding NOT to stone adulterers anymore accusing them of becoming pussies. That says it all. Judeo Christianity has evolved and reformed itself into the nearest thing humans have got to civilisation, thanks to science, and the age of Reason and Enlightenment.

Islam has not. The Koran is seen by all Muslims to be the immutable word of God passed on to Mohammed by Angel Gabriel. It is not seen as history. It is seen as an unchangeable and eternal authority. The hatred and violence expressed throughout the Koran towards Jews and infidels is an open mandate to wage war on unbelievers until Islam dominates the planet. This teaching obviously cannot be found in the Bible.

The whole thing is a no-brainer, except for the fifth column Left and its soft brained alliance with evil driven by hatred for its own culture and values.

"Just a reminder. Some samples of the Jew hatred in the Koran."

Why is it bad to hate Jews, but okay to hate Muslims? As I said before, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

"I should add that the ignorance you refer to is wilful, and therefore a reprehensible collaboration with evil."

No it is not. You don't know how I think, or how anybody else here thinks.

You know robi, i think its kind of funny seeing as how this aricle IS ABOUT JEWS SUPPORTING MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!

you see i think they, like many of us understand that these books of religion were written thousands of years ago under completly different circumstances that we live in today. here just a small example of what i mean:Exodus chapter 31:

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death

now i could bring up more examples of extreme ideas like these from any of the other books. but i think ive made my point.

Children of Israel! call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others. (Surah 2:47 repeated in 2:122)

;-)

Just a reminder. Some samples of the Jew hatred in the Koran.

“Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews…” (5:82).

“Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.” (5:78).

“Is it ever so that when they make a covenant a party of them set it aside? The truth is, most of them believe not. And when there came to them a messenger from Allah [Muhammad], confirming what was with them [the Torah], a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!” (2:100-101).

“The People of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do” (2:143-144).

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (9:29).

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!” (9:30)

The Jews killed their prophets (2:61; 2:87; 2:91; 3:21; 3:112; 3:181; 3:183; 4:155; 5:70), and boast “we killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary” (4:157).

“Allah hath heard the taunt of those who say: ‘Truly, Allah is indigent and we are rich!’ We shall certainly record their word and (their act) of slaying the prophets in defiance of right, and We shall say: ‘Taste ye the penalty of the Scorching Fire!’” (3:181)

“Why do not the rabbis and the doctors of Law forbid them from their (habit of) uttering sinful words and eating things forbidden? Evil indeed are their works.” (5:63)

“The Jews say: ‘Allah’s hand is tied up.’ Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief” (5:64).

also just a couple of intresting curtis quotes here and mind you these are from the same post:

"Suggesting a BAN on a religion really does smack of fascism."

"so it's stupid beyond belief to say that someone who would BAN Islam is a "NAZI"."

ahhh golden

Hebrew University scholar Yehuda Bauer on the parallel between the Armenian genocide and the holocaust:

"The attitude towards the Jews had in it important elements of pseudo-religion. There was no such motivation present in the Armenian case; Armenians were to be annihilated for power-political reasons, and in Turkey only."

Ironically taken from the wikipedia article curtis suggested reading.

Firstly, there is a difference between religion and politics.

Secondly, stop trying to generalize an muslims based on the most extreme cases.
You dont hear anyone here talking about the "nazi christians who want to kill gays in Uganda" because they dont adequately represent the religion just the same as muslims who allied with nazis are a far less adequte representation of the religion than those who fought agianst them.

Thirdly, and i hate to repeat myself, but stop calling people nazis! the only nazis in the world were the nazis! Its a huge disrespect to the millions that died to just toss the word around without appreciating the gravity of it.

curtisreed said: ''So any attempt to defend "Muslims" from sweeping generalities by calling anyone who does so a "NAZI" simply reveals a profound and chilling ignorance of history.''

I should add that the ignorance you refer to is wilful, and therefore a reprehensible collaboration with evil.

http://www.andrewbostom.org/content/view/61/55/

Nazi academic and propagandist of extermination Johannes von Leers’ writings and personal career trajectory – as a favored contributor in Goebbel’s propaganda ministry, to his eventual adoption of Islam (as Omar Amin von Leers) while working as an anti-Western, and anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist propagandist under Nasser’s regime from the mid-1950s, until his death in 1965 – epitomizes this convergence of Jihad, Islamic anti-Semitism, and racist, Nazi anti-Semitism, as described by Bat Ye’or.

Leers – who was Goebbel’s favorite Nazi propagandist of annihilation – expressed two decades before eventually converting to Islam, in Blut und Rasse in der Gesetzgebung (Blood and Race in Legislation, 1936), his admiration for “the imperious and warlike Islam [of the peoples] who still had a clear Nordic racial component,” while also extolling in Der Kardinal und die Germanen (“The Cardinal and the Germans,” 1934) Islam’s ecumenical “tolerance.” In subsequent essays published during 1938 and 1942, von Leers produced analyses focused primarily on Muhammad’s interactions with the Jews of Medina. Collectively, these essays reveal his pious reverence for Islam and its prophet, and a thorough understanding of the sacralized Islamic sources for this narrative, i.e., the Koran, hadith, and sira, which is entirely consistent with standard Muslim apologetics.

The extent to which Nazi convert to Islam Omar Amin von Leers’ ugly vision has been implemented over the past 50 years – his “successful” living legacy – supports a simple, profoundly disturbing conception articulated by writer Lawrence Auster. Oblivious to the firmly entrenched politically correct orthodoxy, Auster has termed Muhammad a “successful Hitler.”

I gotta keep reading as fast as possible before they lock it down again.

TheOuroborus, JihadWatch is biased garbage. No doubt, there is Islamic violence, but to take your view on Islam from a website that is so flagrantly biased won't better you as a person, it will only close your mind and make it more difficult to deal with one billion people in this world, the vast majority of whom do not endorse mass murder or terrorism.

Also i think people need to stop accusing any group of being "nazi". that accusation carries more weight than people on both sides of the argument seem to respect.

he never accused anyone of anything, he said that "a lot of this anti-Muslim rhetoric just reminds me a lot of the Nazis during the 1930s." which is actually not a far strech considering that a far right wing group in a german speaking country is atacking a religious minority. these similarites are enough to remind someone of something, even Jon Stewert saw that and mentioned it on his show.

also i agree with morgan when he said people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones here is robidogs attack of ALMOST2 BILLION people (muslims and the"supporters")

"And the morons, apologists and supporters of this repellent belief system are enemies of civilisation and freedom, haters of truth and justice".

Abuse reported by robidog.

Here is the issue: hate speech. he is accusing 51% of the swiss of nazism

Hello robidog,

This comment is not considered hate speech. The community member is not making “sweeping generalizations about a particular group of people,” they are referring to those who voted a certain way. Also, as we say in our community guidelines, “just because someone disagrees with you on an issue doesn't necessarily make their statements hate speech” and continuously flagging content simply because you disagree or do not like what they are saying is abusing the flagging system.

Sincerely,
Danielle

'they are referring to those who voted in a certain way'

So as far as Danielle and Current are concerned, it's quite acceptable to call 2 million Swiss people Nazis.

Go figure.

"This is why the Swiss banned minarets. It goes deeper than architectural phallic symbols and the Edifice Complex."

And none of those events you listed from TheReligionofPeace.com happened in Switzerland.

"Flagged again for hate speech and demonising a whole people."

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

This is why the Swiss banned minarets. It goes deeper than architectural phallic symbols and the Edifice Complex.

The numbers are the dead and injured in Islamic attacks in the last 10 days only.

2009.12.07 Pakistan Lahore 50 150 At least fifty people are incinerated by twin bombings at a crowded marketplace.
2009.12.07 Iraq Baghdad 8 40 Seven children are among eight dead when Sunni radicals bomb a Shia school.
2009.12.07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 11 A Buddhist man and woman are murdered by Muslim bombers at a busy market.
2009.12.07 Thailand Pattani 1 4 A pro-government cleric is gunned down by Islamic separatists.
2009.12.07 Pakistan Peshawar 11 45 Eleven people at a courthouse are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2009.12.06 Somalia Bosaso 1 0 A cleric is assassinated by suspected Islamic militia.
2009.12.06 Pakistan Bajaur 2 2 The Taliban murder two tribesmen outside a mosque.
2009.12.06 Iraq Abu Ghraib 4 0 Four local police manning a checkpoint are machine-gunned to death at point-blank range.
2009.12.05 Philippines Jolo 1 12 One person is killed when suspected Abu Sayyaf militants set off a bomb.
2009.12.05 Iraq Mosul 5 1 Mujahideen shoot five people to death including a mother and an elderly civilian.
2009.12.04 India Srinagar 0 0 Al-Nasireen gunmen assassinate a political leader outside his home.
2009.12.04 Dagestan Khasavyurt 2 7 A civilian having lunch at a cafe is among two people murdered by Muslim terrorists in separate attacks.
2009.12.04 Pakistan Rawalpindi 40 86 Seventeen children at a mosque are among nearly forty people cut down in a barbaric shooting and bombing attack by Sunni hardliners.
2009.12.04 Pakistan Mohmand Agency 6 13 Mujahideen bombers take out six members of a wedding party traveling in a mini-bus.
2009.12.04 Jordan Amman 1 0 A 34-year-old woman, nine months pregnant, is stabbed to death by her brother over alleged adultery.
2009.12.04 Iraq Tuz Khormato 1 0 An ethnic minority member is gunned down in his home by Islamic terrorists.
2009.12.03 Thailand Pattani 3 0 A 17-year-old boy is among three members of a family brutally gunned down in their home by Islamic separatists.
2009.12.03 Ingushetia Malgobek 1 0 A government official is assassinated by Islamic militants.
2009.12.03 Iraq Baghdad 1 6 Mujahideen blow up a civilian at a market.
2009.12.03 Somalia Mogadishu 22 46 Doctors and students are among twenty-two people blown to bits at a medical school graduation by a Shahid.
2009.12.03 Iraq Tikrit 11 15 A Fedayeen suicide bomber blows himself up at a packed market, taking eleven innocents with him.
2009.12.02 Pakistan Islamabad 2 11 A young man straps explosives to his body and detonates at the entrance of a naval complex, killing two security guards.
2009.12.02 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A civilian is gunned down in a sectarian attack at a cafe.
2009.12.01 Pakistan Swat 1 13 A teen suicide bomber murders a lawmaker inside his home.
2009.12.01 Pakistan Orakzai 3 0 Three tribal leaders are assassinated by Sunni terrorists.
2009.12.01 Pakistan Swat 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists murder the head of a local peace committee.
2009.12.01 Somalia Bosasso 2 25 Suspected hardliners toss a grenade into a movie theater, leaving two patrons dead from shrapnel injury.

Robidog, a lot of this anti-Muslim rhetoric just reminds me a lot of the Nazis during the 1930s.

"This is straight down the line hate speech, accusing the Swiss of Nazism. This kind of imagery is totally unacceptable and is utterly repellent. Flagged."

I'm not accusing the Swiss of Nazism. I'm accusing the people who backed the referendum of Nazism, as well as mocking the bigots through Europe who want to ban mosques and the religion of Islam itself.

'Tolerance when applied to evil is a crime'.......Thomas Mann

Too many criminals infesting this thread. Sickening.

"I hope the next initiative in Switzerland proposes banning Islam altogether."

How do you propose enforcing the ban? Burning down mosques, banning Muslims from holding public office?

Maybe we should find a "final solution" to the "Muslim question."

Heil Hitler! 14/88! Seig Heil!

(I'm obviously being sarcastic)

http://www.songramp.com/mod/mps/srplayer.php?type=hipub&trackid=76068

Tolerance

Tolerance let the Intolerant enter through the back door
T’was too late, too late, to reverse her mistake
And they raped her there on the floor
And Death was slow when it came
But worse was the sting of the Shame
Chorus 1

For she had been good, and she had been kind
But foolishly she’d been willfully blind
For she had been good, and she had been kind
But she must have been out of her mind

Virtue stood there paralyzed focused on her own Being
Since haste doth make waste, she chose just to wait
And marveled to see her Chance fleeing
And her Death was slow when it came
But worse was the sting of the Shame
Chorus 2
For she had been good, and she had been kind
But foolishly she’d been willfully blind
For she had been good, and she had been kind
But she was too slow to make up her mind
When Resolve arrived on the scene she knew what had to be done
T’was too late for debate, the need then was great
She fought tooth and nail till she’d won
And Death was Just when it came
Her Glory burned like a flame
Chorus 3
For she had been good, and she had been kind
But she was decisive when it came time
For she had been good, and she had been kind
And she had no Fear to punish the Crime

Curious.
It's interesting that many of these "good hearted" Libs vociferously defend Islam and condemn the Minaret ban--labelng them as "Nazi" or "fascist".

These same Libs, on the other hand, might well be expected to defend actions taken in other nations to ban symbols of Western culture. What do you think would happen if some group tried to raise crosses in Saudi Arabi?

I've heard many of these same voices condemn the "invasion" of American cultural "imperialism" in places like Latin Ameria, Asia, and Africa, because a foreign culture is imposing itself upon the indigenous population.

Lest we forget, it is the Europeans who are the indigenous populations of Europe. It is THEIR culture they are defending from what is (rightly) perceived as an aggressive, violent, and intollerant invasive culture that is antithetical to their values.

So, when Western cultural values are condemned, and symbols of those cultures are burned to the ground in Muslim nations, this is seen as a reasonable response to "cultural imperialism".

When Europeans, through laws, attempt to rein in the encroaching foreign culture, it is "fascism".

Hmmm. If, perhaps, we are to describe European laws discriminating against Islam as "fascism", we might be right to call Muslim nations "fascist" for imposing even stricter laws against Christians and secular Western cultural expression?

Which kind of implies that the Europeans may be right afterall, to limit any expression of beliefs that is fascist in nature, just as they already ban Nazi organizations in an attempt to never again head down that path.

You are absolutely ridiculous! Im going to use your genius logic here for a sec Do you know who else was allied with the nazis, the italians, many more italians, in fact than arabs. so that means that all italians today are still facists? what about the japanese, are they also anti-semites? lets not forget the germans, yes all germans are still and forever will be evil isnt that right robi?

Also just to make something clear, there were muslims that were allied with the nazis, there were also muslims who died fighting them. other religious groups allied with nazis include any you can think of.

No not really. In fact you are the inadvertent master of unintentional and tragic irony. Islam and Nazism were allies and fellow architects of the extermination of the Jews. Hitler was inspired by Islam and what he called its 'cruelty'. Many Nazi war criminals took refuge after the war in Islamic countries. They were warmly welcomed and still are. Nazis helped Egypt build its military throughout the 50s in preparation for the annihilation of Israel. Unfortunately for them, Israel crushed them in 1967 when they attacked. Killing Jews is no longer a risk free pastime.
Tolerating and appeasing Islam....a hobby on this site......is therefore advocating fascism and totalitarianism. Is this too much for you to understand or am I going too fast? You seem to think that recognising and naming evil for what it is, is itself evil. Clueless is the only word that comes to mind to describe that kind of thinking. I imagine you would have called anyone opposing Nazism in the 30s an intolerant bigot who was himself a Nazi. Absurd......and really quite disgusting.

Robidog quote from 3 days ago: "This site is looking more and more like a neo Nazi hate fest."

And a Robidog quote from today: "islam is a vile and poisonous ideology full of hatred "

IRONY

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/12/belgium-majority-oppose-mosques-and.ht...

Belgium: Majority oppose mosques and minarets.

Similarly to the French, Belgians don't see a big difference between banning minarets and banning mosques. In fact, there are very few people who oppose building minarets who do not oppose building mosques as well.

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A majority of Belgians oppose building mosques. Almost 56.7% don't want mosques to be built in Belgium, and 61% don't want one in their neighborhood, according to a survey conducted by iVOX for Le Soir Magazine.

The survey was conducted after the ban on building minarets in Switzerland. 59.3% of the Belgians say they support a ban on minarets. In Switzerland, 57.5% supported such a ban.

38% of the Belgian are 'absolutely' against building minarets. Of those 38%, the Walloons are most against building minarets (44%), followed by the Brussels residents (40.3%) and the Flemish (34.3%). Moreover, those 50 and older oppose minarets (47.9%) more than younger people, 32.8% of those 30-49 years old, and 29.9% among those younger than 29. Men (41.8%) oppose them more than women (34.2%).

The survey was conducted Dec 3-5 among 1,050 Belgians. The margin of error is 3%.

So there are still signs of intelligent life throughout Europe.

WOW!!!!!!! Just lettin all the crazy out there eh? alright well i dont think i even need to say anything, other than i sleep just fine.

@goodname: Listen it is very simple. Let's just stop pussy footing around, shall we? islam is a vile and poisonous ideology full of hatred and violence towards non Muslims, Jews (especially), Christians, women, gays and apostates. It s loathsome and there is nothing you can say to prove otherwise. Read the Koran, the Hadith and the Sira. Learn about Mohammed. The Koran is full of hate speech. it makes Mein Kampf look like the Tellytubbies. Hundreds of verses teaching violence,terror and genocide. Full of intolerance and hate. Mohammed was a mass murderer, a bandit, a plunderer, a rapist, enslaver of women and children, a pedophile, a liar. Nothing of human value there. And that monster is a role model to over a billion people. God help us! So cut the bullshit about intolerance and discrimination towards Muslims. islam is the most intolerant belief system that has ever contaminated this planet and it seeks to dominate and spread like a cancer. I hope the next initiative in Switzerland proposes banning Islam altogether.
And the morons, apologists and supporters of this repellent belief system are enemies of civilisation and freedom, haters of truth and justice. They make me sick. And you know who you are. How the fuck do you live with yourselves? How do you sleep at night?

Robidog, since you can come up with such elaborate posts would you please be so kind as to further elaborate on how the minaret is as "you" say a 'a symbol of that religious aggression."? or name some of the islamists who are "ruling" the muslim world? maybe just a bit more on the "destructive absurdity" of multiculturalism?

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=698

''The stock liberal view is that the state has no business telling a religious community how to construct its houses of prayer. And in general this is absolutely right.

But liberal societies also hold that minorities must not threaten or coerce the majority culture. If that precept is followed, then just like any other minority, Muslims should certainly be welcome to practise their faith. And many do so in just such a way.

The problem is that while many such Muslims sign up to democracy, human rights and the separation of religion and state, the Islamists who dominate the Muslim world are pushing the agenda of Islamising the west. And the minaret is a symbol of that religious aggression.

The suggestion that banning minarets attacks Muslim rights to religious observance could not be farther from the truth. For the minaret has no religious significance in Islam.

To Western eyes, it may seem nothing other than an architectural feature. But historically it has served as a symbol of Islamic political power and aspiration.

It is designed to help impose Islam on the surrounding society. As a powerful symbol of Islamic dominance, it is often constructed to be higher than other religious buildings specifically to send the message both to Muslims and those of other faiths and none that Islam is supreme.

That is why Turkish premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan described minarets as the ‘bayonets of the faith’. They are political instruments of religious domination. And that is what the Swiss have understood as a threat to their society.

For liberals, any issue taken up by a party they brand the ‘far Right’ is automatically made toxic by such association. But it is the issue that matters, not who is taking sides over it.

The West is so bamboozled by multiculturalism, the doctrine that all cultures must be held to have equal value and any differentiation is prejudice, that it cannot see the destructive absurdity of this fuss.

For while it is having a fit of the vapours over the so-called threat to religious freedom represented by the minaret ban, it is silent over the fact that in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia there is no freedom of worship, no churches are allowed to be built at all and apostates from Islam are punished by death.

Islamism is encroaching in Europe and the West because liberals are so paralysed by their own nostrums they cannot defend their own culture — a vulnerability the Islamists are exploiting to the hilt. The Western response to the ban is characterised by fear of the Muslim reaction to it — thus demonstrating to the Islamists once again that terror and intimidation work.

Islamists themselves have given the game away. Both Tariq Ramadan and the Muslim Council of Britain have said that mosques and minarets in European cities ‘are manifestations of the proudly indigenous nature of Islam in Europe’.

But Islam is not indigenous in Europe. The last attempt by the Islamic world to conquer Europe was repulsed at the gates of Vienna in 1683.

It is possible that the Swiss vote will now give courage to other European countries to stop the march of political Islam — and that future generations will talk of the jihad being repulsed at the gates of Geneva. But then again, Europe’s own death-wish may be just too strong.''

ok so that leaves 2 countries and some states in nigeria. My point was and is that there are many countries, where the majority of the citizens(much more than 4%) are muslim, where the is absolutely no foreseeable future that includes sharia law.
There are very few places in the world that are more unstable than Nigeria. Do you think Switzerland is one of them?

Sharia law has been applied to several Nigerian states, typically in the North and East of the country. Thousands from both sides have died. Just recently the Boko Haram were killed by the thousands along with many Christians, as a result of protests by Muslims attempting to implement Sharia law agaisnt the wishes of the Christian majority. You can check it out on Sahara Reporters.com. The military did most of the killing at the order of the moderate Muslim controlled Federal Gov't.

Sounds like typical extreme right wing fear mongering from TheOuroborus. To prove my point, im going to ask you: what is sharia law? and how would it ever come to switzerland or any other country in Europe when there are only 2! TWO! countries in the world that use it. Also your suggestion that sept 11 was caused by Muslims in new york is totally out of line and absolutely nauseating

I wonder what kind of world we would have without religion? we can only dream

I'd like to know where you live. A nice Anglo neighborhood perhaps or one of those blocks in NYC that pretends to be all down with it, but is in fact completely segregated from the next block?

How's this for an example: You grow up on your street playing with your friends, speaking the same language, going to church and eating local cuisine at the cafe down the street on the weekends. Over the years as families move out, folks from another country move in. Slowly more people on the street speak a different language, they cover their women, erect mosques and minarets, replace your cafe with a falafel joint, and tell you that you must be tolerant as they increasingly impose street shaira law on your neighbors.

The wealthiest of your former friends are able to move out, but those working class families see what was once a Swiss village turn into a suburb of Cairo. Centuries of culture, sweat, and blood lost in a generation. It's a velvet invasion. Europe is losing it's heritage without fight. The Ottoman's who were banging on Vienna's door are laughing from their graves.

Ya'll scream "Tolerance! Tolerance! Tolerance!" But show me where the Judeo-Christian-Islamic triad is tolerant. Religion is not tolerant and it's far more invasive and hate-filled than a mere building. Symbols are important. The World Trade Center was knocked down, why? Mostly because the Muslim community across the East River in Brooklyn along Atlantic Avenue had to stare at them every day straight down the street. A mighty symbol.

The Jews got involved only because it might effect them, not out of any altruistic religious value. Trust me that if minarets start going up in their 'hoods, they'll chime a different tune and probably try to wall in out.