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Monckton calls young U.S. climate activists “Hitler Youth” for protesting

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Wow, what has the world come to when young people standing up for a healthy planet are compared to Hitler Youth?

Fifty young U.S. clean energy activists stormed the stage today in Copenhagen during a live webcast organized by Americans for Prosperity and featuring climate denier Lord Christopher Monckton.

When the youth group interrupted the webcast to deliver the message that real Americans want clean energy and a fair climate treaty, Monckton went ballistic, calling the students “crazed Hitler youth” and “Nazis.”

The incident was not likely the intended result Americans for Prosperity hoped for as it launched the COP15 version of its "Hot Air Tour" (a.k.a. denial-a-palooza). AFP sent its team to Copenhagen "to make sure that our side of the story is told." But their live event today – complete with the student protest - was webcast to over forty climate denier rallies taking place in cities across the United States.

SustainUS reports that “a paltry audience of five conference attendees” attended the event to hear Monckton’s (planned) speech, with the balance of the audience comprised of AFPers and the youth activists (who entered surreptitiously in small groups before taking the stage with their clean energy message).

The young activists, representing a number of youth action groups including SustainUS, the Sierra Student Coalition, the Cascade Climate Network, and other American youth NGOs, kicked off the protest by holding banners in front of the cameras reading "Climate Disaster Ahead" and "Clean Energy Now."

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http://www.desmogblog.com/monckton-calls-young-us-climate-activists-%E2%80%9Chit...
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70 comments // Monckton calls young U.S. climate activists “Hitler Youth” for protesting

  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
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      Monckton has advanced exophtalmus, due to Graves Disease. Graves Disease (hyperactive thyroid) leads to mental illness:

      Mental and Emotional Aspects of Graves’ Disease and Hyperthyroidism

      The relationship between psychiatry and thyroid dysfunction has attracted a good deal of attention for the following reasons:

      1. Thyroid disorders, such as hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism, can be accompanied by prominent mental abnormalities.
      2. Thyroid hormones have been used in the treatment of certain psychiatric conditions.
      3. Some drugs used for the treatment of mental illness can have an effect on the thyroid gland.

      As you already know a frequent complaint of Graves' Disease patients and their friends and family is emotional liability, mood disorders and hysterical symptoms with no apparent reasons. Periods of depression may alternate with manic symptoms. Some of the patients can experience panic-attack likely [sic! symptoms. The situation is even worsening [sic] by the fact that these patients get little or no sleep and have repeated palpitations throughout the day which additionally may contribute to their emotional condition.

      People with an overactive thyroid may exhibit marked anxiety and tension, emotional lability, impatience and irritability, distractible overactivity, exaggerated sensitivity to noise, and fluctuating depression with sadness and problems with sleep and the appetite.

      All disorders related to, or as a result of Hyperthyroidism or Graves’ Disease can be classified as Mental Disorders due to a General Medical Condition.

      There are three disorders that are often associated with Graves' disease:

      1. So called Mood Disorders and more specifically Bipolar Disorder. Bipolar Disorder consists of 2 Main Episodes:

      A) Depressed Episode (depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, feeling of sadness and emptiness, irritable mood, markedly diminished interest or pleasure in almost all activities, significant weight loss when not dieting, insomnia nearly every day ect.

      B) Manic episode: A distinct period of abnormality and persistently elevated, expansive, or irritable mood, lasting at least 1 week. During the period of mood disturbance three or more of the following symptoms have persisted: Inflated self- esteem or grandiosity decreased need for sleep, more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking etc.

      2. Anxiety Disorders are the other group of disorders often associated with Graves' Disease. Panic Attack is often mistaken with the palpitations, accelerated heart rate, shortness of breath etc. Panic Attack is not codable disorder, but in order to be classified as a Panic Attack there should be an intense fear or discomfort.

      3. Histrionic Personality Disorder. This personality disorder could be described as a pervasive pattern of excessive emotionally and attention seeking, indicated by the following: is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention, inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior, rapidly shifting expression of emotions, uses physical appearance to draw attention to self.

      Most of the above mentioned symptoms are definitely present for Graves' Disease. In fact, most of the times the mental symptoms proceed [sic - the correct word should be "precedes"] the disease itself, can be developed correspondently [sic] with the disease, or exist separately without [sic - "without" should not be there] no evident connection.

      More serious mental disturbances which used to accompany "thyroid crisis", such as acute psychotic episodes, delirium and fever are rarely seen these days as a result of the improved detection of the illness and availability of effective treatment.

      http://www.gravesdiseasecure.com/Mental_Aspects_Hyperthyroidism.html

      (Apart from the corrections I mentioned between square brackets, the information is medically correct.)

    • 2 years ago
  • cynker
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      cynker  
    • i do think the green cult is on the march - regardless of your view - the science cannot be 100% proven - if anyone claims any model is not up for debate, they are not a true scientist, it is all relative. there should be an independant panel on climate change not an intergovernmental panel, which is made up of celebrities, celebrity scientists, and ministers of government.
      It seems any claim made by dissenting scientists or hackers, the media and the general public just brush to the side and assume that it doesnt mean anything, or it is not credible how many more leaked documents does it take?
      if the mainstream media wont investigate the claims then who will?if you think because something is on the news it is true, that is just blind faith. websites like this are good because you can go between different sources and formulate your own opinion based on weighing up the information on each side, and until you do, i dont think anyone can have an opinion on such political matters.
      im getting miffed at the attitudes people have when something is against the staus quo - the internet was better when it was only nerds!!

      copenhagen wont solve anything, a global carbon tax is ridiculous, we already have the money to make our world more efficient! use it for good, not for a war on drugs and a war for oil!
      peas

    • 2 years ago
  • Wetdog
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • Whether all of you believe or disbelieve Lord Moncton the fact is that 30,000 scientists are trying to sue Al Gore the great diplomaless soapbox scientist for the very same thing. The great Climate HoaxThe Great Oceans are full of all gases and chemicals that can effect climate change And the daily evaporation of the chemicals all have a great effect on the climate. Even the iceberg floating towards Austrailia will also have an effect as it cools the water surrounding it and can easily set off another ice age and if this iceberg managed to float into the el nina current it could really reek havoc. Climate change and clean air are two different causes. In the Beginning of the climate hoax the government removed Air conditioner Freons from the market as Flouro Chloro Carbons upset the atmosphere now it is CO2. I suppose that Oxygen and Hydrogen will be the next enemy. Its a shame that education is not a goal of the Public. Government sure looks down on an ignorant public and takes advantage of their stupidity. If people could understand that Hurricanes are the result of air and ocean currents leaving the African Coast and the ocean and atmospheric currents push the hot desert air westward and as this air moves over the water the water temperature causes a tropical depression and this same temperature difference sets up internal air currents and soon it becomes an big powerful hurricane and that is an example of natural climate control. Ice ages are formed by the same earth and oceanic temperature changes. Clean air can only be changed when the Oil Cartels have either run out of oil or the nations energies are converted to hydrogen and wind farms and other energy sources, but as long as the oil lobbyists are in control we will not likely see a change for another 500 years.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Ragan:

      The key word is "TRYING", the case has no merits and the litigants have no standing. Its one of those "FRIVOLOUS" lawsuits that if it ever makes it before a judge, would be thrown out as such.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  
    • Monckton is critical of the theory of anthropogenic causes for climate change and the stated scope of it, which he regards as a controversy catalyzed by "the need of the international left for a new flag to rally round" following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.[8] He has expressed doubt about the reality of global warming in a number of newspaper articles and papers. He has been described in some quarters as a "former science adviser to British prime minister Margaret Thatcher and a world-renowned scholar."[9] However, his credentials as a commentator on climate change have been questioned by some commentators. James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore note in their book Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming that Monckton has "no training whatsoever in science", and criticize his asserted credentials as "unfounded self-promotion."[10] The Daily Telegraph has described him as "a former economic adviser".[4]
      In two Sunday Telegraph articles published in November 2006, Monckton disputed whether global warming is man-made, suggested that it is unlikely to prove catastrophic, and criticized the science presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). In particular, he has criticized the IPCC's interpretation of the Medieval Warm Period, cited the "hockey stick" controversy as evidence of faulty science, argued that the science in the IPCC reports has misapplied the Stefan–Boltzmann law, and supported the solar variation theory as a possible explanation of global warming. In an apparent reference to claims made by Gavin Menzies, he further stated "There was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none."[11]
      The British writer and environmentalist George Monbiot has criticized Monckton's arguments, labelling them "cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish."[12] In response, Monckton argued that he "got the science right", claiming that Monbiot got "too many facts wrong" and had shown "ignorance of the elementary physics".[13]
      In response to the U.K. government's Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, he has argued that the review's recommendation to invest 1% of global GDP in climate change mitigation would be ineffective, as would the introduction of carbon taxes and emissions trading as a means of curbing carbon emissions. He has proposed instead that the best solution should be to "go nuclear and reverse 20th-century deforestation."[14]
      In February 2007, he published a critique of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report on climate change.[15] His calculations of climate sensitivity to increased atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide have been published in the Quarterly Economic Bulletin.[16]
      Monckton played a key role in a legal challenge heard in the High Court of Justice in October 2007 in a bid to prevent An Inconvenient Truth from being shown in English schools. In an interview with the conservative American talk radio host Glenn Beck, Monckton stated that he had prompted an unnamed friend to fund the case "to fight back against this tide of unscientific freedom-destroying nonsense" and had played a direct role in the litigation against the British government.[17] He was also reported to have funded the distribution to schools of the controversial documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle as a riposte to Gore's film.[18]
      In March 2007, Monckton ran a series of advertisements in The New York Times and Washington Post challenging Al Gore to an internationally televised debate on climate change. The former U.S. Vice President did not respond.[8][19] The Science and Public Policy Institute provided funding for Monckton to produce a response to An Inconvenient Truth, titled Apocalypse?, No!, described as "showing Monckton presenting a slide show in a vitriolic attack on climate change science."[18] The film includes footage of Monckton giving a Gore-style presentation given on 8 October 2007 at the Cambridge Union in which he asserted that Gore and the IPCC had systematically falsified and exaggerated the evidence for global warming.[18][20]
      During the autumn of 2009, Monckton embarked on a tour of North America to campaign against the December 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference. His warning that US President Barack Obama intended to sign a treaty at the conference which would "impose a communist world government on the world" was picked up by numerous commentators on the American right and "rocketed around the fringe" of right-wing websites, prompting Glenn Beck to invite him on his radio show again. Writing in Salon, Alex Koppelman criticized Monckton's assertions about the conference's framework for negotiation as being "woefully inaccurate. And that's a nice way of putting it." [21][22] The St. Petersburg Times's PolitiFact.com described his assertions as "not only unsupported but preposterous" and awarded him a special rating of "britches on fire".[23] Ethan Baron of the Canadian newspaper The Province criticized Monckton's assertions as the product of a "whacked-out, far-right ideology, combined with an ego the size of the Antarctic ice sheet."[24]
      American Physical Society article on climate sensitivity
      In July 2008 Monckton wrote an article about climate sensitivity for the American Physical Society's Forum on Physics and Society.[25][26], concluding: "it is very likely that in response to a doubling of pre-industrial carbon dioxide concentration [surface temperature] will rise not by the 3.26 °K [sic] suggested by the IPCC, but by

    • 2 years ago
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • Considering the idea that climate warming is seen by many to be a fraud (lots of money to be made here) I see these kids as goofballs, NOT "Hitler Youth". The only ones I would compare to "Hitler Youth" are the little baby Klansmen that their parents bring to Klan rallies. Sir Monckton may be a goofball, himself, for all I know, but no need to label these kids using such language as "Nazis", etc.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • How many of these kids are being paid by the global climatoligist frauds? Too many times we take for granted that the demonstrations are legitimate acts of frustration by the youth and still all over the world the CIA and other sources like Kissinger and his globalists may be paying the unemployed and just wild youth to demonstrate. After all there are still economic hit men working the world to bring down legitimate causes of peace and real democratic dreams of peace and freedoms. Moncton like others are risking their life to enlighten the world and the past has shown that far too many opponents of the worlds elitists end up assassinated. The world knows that there is one big family who truly rules the west and the power they yield is higher than any god.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Lord Monkton is a joke, a paid shill. He has absolutely none of the qualifications necessary, he is not a scientist, and he has zero credibility with the informed and educated.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • I want to see things change.

      I don't care what Lord Monkeytown or any other deniers want to believe or say.

      As far as I am concerned, if they don't want to believe that greenhouse warming is real, that is fine with me. Let them have their say.

      But when they are done with their saying, there are STILL a LOT of reasons for us to get rid of petroleum and coal.

      Strip mines.

      Water pollution.

      Air pollution.

      Economic damage from importing oil.

      The need to get Americans back to work and end the recession with jobs here.

      The political, and social damage caused by warfare over resources growing scarcer by the day.

      As I see it----we have a multitude of reasons to get rid of petroleum and coal that have nothing to do with greenhouse warming. And the best, quickest, easiest and least expensive way to get rid of coal and petroleum-----natural gas and renewable energy sources----just coincidentally, is ALSO the best, quickest, easiest and least expensive way to take care of greenhouse warming too.

      Why waste time and energy arguing over greenhouse warming and whether it is or is not anthropogenic? It gets nowhere. Let's convert coal plants to natural gas.
      Let's mandate that all new cars sold have to be bi-fuel capable, either diesel/CNG or flex-fuel/CNG. That way, they can run on petroleum, or they can run exactly the same completely petroleum free when we want them to.

      Most natural gas is used now to heat buildings and water. Solar thermal energy as an auxiliary system is ideally suited to replace natural gas. Solar thermal energy collectors are cheap and easy to manufacture and install, and thermal energy is cheap and easy to store. If we use the natural gas displaced by solar thermal to run our vehicles on instead---we are running our vehicles on free solar energy in effect. No CO2 from petroleum goes into the atmosphere, we still use our vehicles exactly like we always have, and at about 1/2 the cost of petroleum.

      If we replace coal with natural gas---we still make electricity exactly the same as we always have with the same power plants. All we are doing is boiling water with gas instead of coal. Natural gas is methane---CH4---80% hydrogen by volume. You can get the same amount of energy burning natural gas as coal, but produce only 1/3 the CO2. No strip mines. No water pollution. No air pollution. Easy to extract wth minimal environmental damage, and easy to move around with pipelines, and easy to store as Liquified Natural Gas(LNG) at low temperatures.

      And we can easily and cheaply make natural gas from any organic substance, such as sewage and landfills. We need to be treating sewage and landfills anyway.

      Keep adding solar, wind, geothermal, wave, biofuels and other renewable power as we go along-----and greenhouse warming of the atmosphere will take care of itself.

      We need to do what we need to do, and quit argueing about something that won't make any difference when we do what we need to do.

      Forget greenhouse warming-----keep your eye on the ball.

    • 2 years ago
  • angliss
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      angliss  
    • If Monckton's intemperate remarks, made in frustration and in a public forum, can be forgiven, then we can forgive intemperate remarks, made in frustration and in private email correspondence, by CRU scientists. And if we must condemn the private correspondence of CRU scientists, then we must also condemn Monckton's remarks.

      Anything less is hypocrisy.

    • 2 years ago
  • angliss
  • goodname
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      goodname  
    • hey everyone guess who i am: "elvis and michael jackson are singing john denver songs on the moon!" jfk is actually still alive and is the real voice of Kermit the frog!"climate protesters are nazis because the united states s is trying to create a secret world order under the guise of climate control!"

    • 2 years ago
  • ryan8566
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      ryan8566  
    • any one notice how the label 'hitler', or 'nazis' seems to be used to describe people or issues that others disagree with? once is too much. maybe more of us need to study the Holocaust,and WWII. is there anything since then that should be compared to it?

    • 2 years ago
  • indecisiveh
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      indecisiveh  
    • ryan8566:

      I agree, the world was a much different place then. We are facing issues right now that are unprecedented in the history of humankind. Anyone who thinks they know what is going to happen in the future concerning our government going in a progressive, sustainable direction needs to deflate their heads. I'll say it again, this is an unprecedented situation.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • ryan8566:

      You may be right. Their money is so powerful that we may not ever get to have that bright sustainable future. That would be truly tragic for the future of the human race.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • Just shows how totally ignorant America's youth really are. They have no idea that this climate game is to cement the USA into the Global world and has absolutely nothing to do with climate. The European and CFR elite have concocted this climate warming scheme for many years and the secrecy surrounding Washington's activities are activities that are being enacted without the knowledge of the people not that they would do anything but when the laws are enacted in Brussels and our constitution has probably been burned and the ashes scattered to the winds. it may come to a shack when the prisons are really being filled like the holocaust. If you doubt my words then you explain why so many activities involving Obama and the CFR, he Bilderbergs and the Tri Lateral Commission The same elites are always present at all three of these think tanks and always in secret and never public knowledge. The globalization of the world is the intent and by God Washington is going to see that it happens. You may not like Lord Moncton but he is correct and knows what it is all about and it isn't climate control but it is world control.

    • 2 years ago
  • goodname
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      goodname  
    • Ragan:

      so this is what your argument sound like;"climate protesters are nazis("You may not like Lord Moncton but he is correct") because the united states s is trying to create a secret world order("The globalization of the world is the intent and by God Washington is going to see that it happens") under the guise of climate control("it isn't climate control but it is world control.")
      If you had said "elvis and michael jackson are singing john denver songs on the moon!" i would have considered that a bit more than your theory.

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Vierotchka
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • @ibrake

      "more like the Obama youth"

      yes, it's official, we elected him. the American youth elected Barack Hussein Obama... we're called voters. deal with it.

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Nephwrack
  • kitteneater
  • goodname
  • goodname
  • jeffissleeping
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • bushama
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • jeffissleeping
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      jeffissleeping  
    • bushama:

      he inspires young black americans to work on more than "slinging on the street, or perfecting the jump shot" to paraphrase jay-z....he's the first black president in history...comparisons to hitler are hysterical rantings of those with no perspective on history...

    • 2 years ago
  • goodname
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      goodname  
    • bushama:

      yea theyre definitely as brainwashed as hitler youth, you know it wasnt 2 hours after theyre little protest that they just went out there and savagely murdered 4 million people.

      what a ridiculously hateful thing to say

    • 2 years ago
  • bushama
  • goodname
  • bushama
  • goodname
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Thargor19
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • jeffissleeping
  • indecisiveh
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • ras_menelik
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • pjacobs51
  • Progresshiv
  • JanforGore
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • JanforGore
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • JanforGore
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • JanforGore:

      What worked? Again, so you can comprehend. If you claim that Nancy Pelosi or anyone for that matter saying this to someone makes them lose credibility then you must also believe that this schmuck saying it loses him credibility as well. Since you did not state that however, but rather threw her in my face because for some reason you think I base everything on left/right politics and this was a gotcha, you are then a hypocrite. And actually, the people she was referring to were carrying actual SWASTIKAS at a town meeting. They then were the ones calling other people Nazis and she was merely stating from this video that they were astroturfing. So again, I will state, Monckton has no credibility and is a certified JERK. Now, I'm moving on because the muck is getting pretty thick here.

    • 2 years ago
  • indecisiveh
  • Ajil
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      Ajil  
    • JanforGore:

      ibrakeforrappers, there is a huge difference between the occurrences involving Mockton and Pelosi.

      Nancy Pelosi did not label anyone a nazi, she called people "astro-turf", and it was directed to the Tea-baggers and crazies that were calling Obama the Nazi. Those tea-baggers are sheep. They did not have much substance behind labeling Obama a Nazi.

      Monckton was the one to labelling a group the Nazis. That group is taking a stand for the environment. They are not spreading hate. They do have substance; values and well-informed.

      Huge difference. Nice try, but it really didnt work.

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • indecisiveh
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • JanforGore:

      i wasnt trying to discredit nancy pelosi, im sure me and her agree on some policy. but what i was trying to say is that you cant completely discredit somone for a remark they made.

      he was obviously mad that these kids wouldnt shut up. and nancy...well she's just hates us tea party goes

    • 2 years ago
  • Ajil
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      Ajil  
    • JanforGore:

      Astroturfing is an English-language euphemism referring to political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are formally planned by an organization, but designed to mask its origins to create the impression of being spontaneous, popular "grassroots" behavior. The term refers to AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass. (straight from wikipedia)

      That is exactly what the Tea-Baggers are. Nancy Pelosi made a fair assessment of the group with a proper label. The Tea Bag movement has gained much of its funding from big business, like pharmaceuticals, oil companies, health insurance industry and other special interest groups, with out the followers even knowing. But as long as they get to call the first black President a Nazi, then they are all for coming together and opposing anything his administration tries to do.

      (More from wikipedia below, though I did clean it up.)
      The Hitler Youth were viewed as future "Aryan supermen" and were indoctrinated in anti-Semitism. One aim was to instill the motivation that would enable HY members, as soldiers, to fight faithfully for the Third Reich. The HY put more emphasis on physical and military training than on academic study. The Nationalsozialistischer Reichsbund für Leibesübungen (NSRBL), the umbrella organization promoting and coordinating sport activities in Germany during the Nazi period, had the responsibility of overseeing the physical fitness development programs provided to the German youth.

      After the boy scout movement was banned through German-controlled countries, the HY appropriated many of its activities, though changed in content and intention. For example, many HJ activities closely resembled military training, with weapons training, assault course circuits and basic tactics. Some cruelty by the older boys toward the younger ones was tolerated and even encouraged, since it was believed this would weed out the unfit and harden the rest. __

      That does not sound anything like a group of young adults that promote scientific theories and call for some responsibility. Sure they were rude and upset Monckton, but the label he gave was plain wrong. He is somehow alleging they only care about the environment because they are just as brain washed as the Hitler Youth were for anti-semitism, which doesn't add up since they are protesting for Clean Energy, which any person, educated or not, can acknowledge we need.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • JanforGore:

      "I consider the word "Teabaggers" offensive. along the lines of racism sexism homophobia and all the rest."

      Yet that is the name that Teabaggers gave themselves - just like Gay is the name that homosexuals gave themselves.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Ajil
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      Ajil  
    • JanforGore:

      ibrake, teabaggers are not openly accepting the funding from corporations, but those businesses are what fund the likes of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and other conservative pundits. The Tea Bag movement is getting its message of disinformation and hatred from people funded by corporations, all of which is to slow down or prevent any work to be carried out. just because i have my facts straight and dont side with the tea baggers does not make me prejudice.

    • 2 years ago
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