The Truth about "Climategate"

There were only about three emails that seemed damaging and they were misinterpreted and taken out of context. The scientists didn't make things up to trick people or try to hide facts at all. Mike's Nature Trick is a procedure were they calculate temperature change over a long period of time, there was data for one year that didn't match the rest, and some scientists were upset that their peers were allowing skeptics to submit papers. People complain that some mean things were said, but people who don't believe the climate is changing at all have done that too. Anyway, that's entirely irrelevant.

If it's such a scam, where are all the emails that say, "hey send me that phony data" or "this is a great scheme Al Gore has going"?

But Jenime that's the point: the debate is not really about real environmental solutions, that's just the way this climate change bs is being sold to people who are really concerneded about the environment.

Note Saladin's comment:

"No, I'd say 7 billion monkeys have quite a bit more of an impact on the planet than they like to think."

The debate is really about population control when you get down to it. That's the driving force of the whole global warming/climate change debate. The UN and the governments around the world are trying to implement a policy to reduce population, hence China's call at Copenhagan for the world to implement their one child policy.

This video is good evidence for why big journalism is pretty useless. This doesn't seem like more than a days worth of research, and yet the insanity goes on and on.

Very well done.

scientifically it is all theories..... we have evidence that climate change has happened long before we were around let alone able to influence temperatures on a global scale. Still this is the first time we have experianced climate change with our current scientific technology and knowledge.... there is no difinitive answer for this untill we can actually record multiple climate changes and address all of the cause and effect factors....

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Sometimes you cannot just presume to do something good, like enforcing it, without promoting blindness, without possibly doing some harm, without acting outside the realm of harmony with the good things you generally support (and thus enabling an undoing force).

A gross example might be...
- I will presmue to smile today, because its going to help create a space for more positive things around me and those I am engaged with. Great, probably no harm in that. However, I would urge myself to find that smile in my heart before placing a double-edged smirk on my face, but I will take the "duck" here.

- I will presume to go put money in that homeless person's hand because I support charitable causes and seeing this person before me in some pitiful state is making me feel my charitable side... so I go and stuff this bill into this man's hand and , whoa, to my surprise it is flung back at me with major upset ending with a "who do you think you are"....
What happened?
My presumption happened... I presumed this person needed or wanted my help
WITHOUT so much as ASKING...,
and in my presumed act of kindness I insulted, degraded, and humiliated another human being.
My actions only served to undo any good thing I seek to support - what happened?

Maybe he is homeless... but he was not begging at that moment, and I presumed to "put upon" this person, and in public, ...that was totally about "my" idea and nothing to do with finding out from the other.

I should not have "taken the duck" there... it was encombant upon me to research deeper, ask, find out.

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There are a lot of people out there with their own idea of what is going on. Some of them are controlling how much and what kind of science we get easy access to, i.e., what kind of "finding out" is brought to our doorstep. Unfortunately, in order to find out one has to go out and "ask"... we need to dig.

Stepping aside of the topic for a moment... if we were gathered in Copenhagen with honest agendas to be cleaning up our sh-t (and I know many are, but there are many who are not - and they seem to have the ball), ..honest meaning not being driven by greedy gainful opportunistic values, then I would be all for it, even if it meant taking some chances.
But the kind of opportunistic attitude that is driving things right now is just what has promoted so much of our sh-t to begin with, and I cannot support that, and I spelled out the details (as to why) in other similar topics.

@Lurkistan: yes, a lot of our sh-t is caused by us. JUST BECASUE SOME OF US ARGUE AGAINST WHAT MAY APPEAR TO BE OBVIOUS DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE ARGUING AGAINST CLEANING UP OUR ACT. (I am not yelling at you -- I am yelling at everyone, because this comes up all the time and is totally ignored.) If we are going to clean up our act, we need to be pretty damned mindful of how we go about doing that, because we are a tricky lot, and have woven a tangled web.

I may not tottaly agree with Saladin or every aspect of his(/her?) tact, but I really do apreciate the spirit of it, and why he is so adamant in this thread. Seems to me he is trying to make people stop and think. We really do need to stop and think more -- for ourselves, or we are going to sell our own blood along with the farm.

After viewing 2hellnwait's solar effects's video post, Lurkistan said: So the high levels of mercury in fish, and countless other chemicals in the air and water are not caused by man?

This is the whole thing right there I think... Saladin's angle appears to me to be saying, "Hey, wake up people and get off your agenda for a minute (those of you who have one or are currently sucked in by one) and simply look at the facts ..both the one's we have and what we don't have... and make your decisions based on that.
So for instance, if I am currently pushing or sucked in on some issue, say- how much human's pollute and its definitive affects, and someone says to me, hey, -we are responsible for global warming- ...blanket statement... its too freaking easy to buy into that without looking deeper because it may initially make sense.
- What initially makes sense is not enough.
- What someone else tells you, or a group of people all on one side, is not enough.
- Yes, because it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, chances are its a duck, but we ar dealing with non-scientists (as well as scientists) with non-scientific opinions and agendas all about the place, so we need to be more cautiouos about accepting this "duck" .

AND THE MOST GLARING THING THEN....
- ***Just because someone is arguing science that does not support all the other stuff we do know about our impact on our living environment isn't an argument against taking responsibility and cleaning up our act.

I hear many well meaning and otherwise very knowledgable people arguing --hey, its obvious we did this-- because we did all this other stuff, so you are being ignorant if you do not get it.
And I see not-so-well meaning people trying to shove something down our neck that can result in more money and control over resources (and peoples) on the planet, all in the name of "its obvious we gotta address this because we need to take responsibility"...
And yeah, we need to take responsibility, but if we ignore "balanced" scientific investigation, and allow ourselves to be driven by unscrupulous or ignorant people, even if its to do something seemingly good... that good thing we do will have a good chance of becoming something more unduing to ourselves in the long run.

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this just confirms for me that many of the people crying about the so-called CLimategate have no idea what they are talking about and instead have resorted to conspiracy theories of New World Order and/or high taxes

if i had to choose with no facts at had, between green for my planet or green in my pocket....ah thats a no brainer. maybe the PLANET! i would think the people that choose the money would have to be brainwashed with greed! common sense save ur home even if it cust u a little more, i can care less about the science dont need it. its all about money it always is!! but i dont have enough to make a differance so it aint up to me, im just part of the herd of sheeple behhe...

the green cult is brainwashed and ready to go!
"no more debate - we know the truth! - the tv told us so"

Even if GW turns out to be completely unfounded (I really doubt it), there are plenty of other reasons to start cutting back on fossil fuels. CO2 is doing a number on the oceans, mercury is building up in the food chain and countless other hazards to human and other forms of life can be attributed to too much fossil fuel burning.

Face it, many of the people who are climate change skeptics are the same people who want to give big industries a free ticket to pollute as much as they want, so a few can get rich while we all develop diseases and have to pay for overly expensive health care to stay alive.

I can agree that it is a natural occurance, still we are a major factor on this planet and must take our roles within the eco-system seriously.....

I fail to see why you demonise the American people for not believing the scientists. millions of people all over the world do not trust these scientists, much less the politicians that back them. Climategate is not an American issue, it's a world issue. I however do agree that the argument is not whether there is climate change, and that it is an argument of whether it's man-made or natural. I would also say it's an argument on whether it's heating up or cooling down, but that's beside the point. Some text, maybe not all, have been taken out of context, but that does not excuse the fact that this really is all hyped up by the politicians to enforce a carbon tax, which benefits neither us nor the planet. You cannot take money and throw it at mother nature when all she needs is TLC. So you really can't keep politics out of this, especially when there are more politicians in Copenhagen than there are scientists, and even less climatologists. You get dictators and you get leaders. Leaders lead by example. But these dictators are flying in from all over the world in their private jets and riding around Copenhagen in stretched limousines, setting a fine example of fighting carbon emissions. Please don't tell me they care, they just want to close the deal and get their tax going. As to whether Climategate is real, I don't really care. But I'll never trust a scientist anyway as long as they're funded by crooked politicians.

This just proves that both sides are more worried about promoting their agenda rather than debating the science of this......

This just in! the worlds aquatic life has pooled their resources and have hired a D.C lobbyist firm to represent their concerns! Wow.

extremism and hedgemony ignores the facts..... this is true for those who agree or disagree with global warming..... I am glad to have seen this because I was even fooled by the misinterpretation of the terms......

It's funny how current.com and youtube can put TV and print media to shame when it comes to covering the issues.

It's an established fact that the earth is warming, scientists don't disagree on this.

The debate is over whether man-made (anthropogenic) or natural (the sun, natural carbon output, etc.) factors are driving the climate change.

If all you can talk about is the politics, you're missing the point entirely. It's no wonder people either get wrapped up in "saving the planet" (it's not going anywhere) or "the liberal conspiracy" (it's very clearly not).

We're dealing with the science here. Conspiracy theories, especially unsubstantiated, group-based ones, are part of the distraction/money-making engine of the MSM that both sides of this debate claim to hate so much.

Down Voted. Don't try to make people believe we are killing the planet with CO2. We don't want and will not pay a carbon tax. We cannot afford it and it will further destroy the middle class and jobs worldwide.

Respect and take care of your planet on a daily basis.
You may not realize it but you're helping the politicians and the wealthy get a stranglehold even further on all of us if this tax passes.

If you wish to practice your religion on climate change, I have no problem with freedom of religion but why should others be forced to pay taxes because of your beliefs.

We did consult scientists, but unfortunately, the rigged "consensus" and subsequent black-balling and labelling them as "skeptics", "right-wing conspiracy theorists" and comparisons to "holocaust deniers" kept them out of the debate.

Thank you for posting this.

See what I'm talking about? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Ok guys, new rule, you're not allowed to comment until you actually WATCH the video. Yes, that goes for you too paid trolls.

And if you're gonna claim conspiracy, you better substantiate that with more than hot air.

You can't handle the truth about climategate.

The first rule of climategate is that you do not talk about climategate.

The sheeple that believe in man made global warming will gladly pay their carbon tax to the elites.

really.....what has science ever done for us??

Want the truth, download and read the email and documents as I have. algore and the rest of these globalists should be in jail awaiting trial for crimes and attempted crimes against humanity.

Excellent video - thanks!