Over 300 pollutants in US tap water
source: http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/home?inlist=Y&utm_source=tapng&utm_medium=email&utm_content=fou...
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http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/home?inlist=Y&utm_source=tapng&utm_mediu...
"Since 2004, testing by water utilities has found 316 pollutants in the tap water Americans drink, according to an Environmental Working Group (EWG) drinking water quality analysis of almost 20 million records obtained from state water officials.More than half of the chemicals detected are not subject to health or safety regulations and can legally be present in any amount. The federal government does have health guidelines for others, but 49 of these contaminants have been found in one place or another at levels above those guidelines, polluting the tap water for 53.6 million Americans.
The government has not set a single new drinking water standard since 2001.
Water utilities spend 19 times more on water treatment chemicals every year than the federal government invests in protecting lakes and rivers from pollution in the first place."
http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/home?inlist=Y&utm_source=tapng&utm_medium=e...
How clean is your city water, search at the link.
Top Ten:
Arlington, TX
Providence, RI
Providence Water
Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Water Department
Charleston, SC
Charleston Water System
Boston, MA
Massachusetts Water Resources Authority
Honolulu, HI
Board of Water Supply
(Honolulu/Windward/Pearl Harbor)
Austin, TX
Austin Water Utility
Fairfax County, VA
Fairfax Water
St. Louis, MO
City of St. Louis Water Division
Minneapolis, MN
City of Minneapolis Water Department
Ten worst at the link as well.
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Agent_Alpha
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And my Chemistry Professor retired to San Diego. He should be smart enough to use a filter.
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csmonut
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Facts and figures do more than just opinions.
I'll be linking this and one or two more posts up when I update my website. May I use a portion of your rant? - 3 years ago
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csmonut:
Hey..G-M
I am not as stupid as you...I only moved 8 squares...or was it 7? may have been 14..hmmmm..have to think some more on that. - 3 years ago
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csmonut:
csmount, these facts above are readily available online.
Please use it for your website. - 3 years ago
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To csmount:
I couldn't agree with you more about bottled water.
Check this old post of mine about it:
http://current.com/items/90697831_ban-plastic-bottled-water.htmYou want people to make informed decisions, we don't want to support bottled water but we don't want to support a "falling apart" water infrastructure and contaminated tap water either.
This was an excerpt quoted in my old post, where I have offered a solution.
I will make a new post about it as mentioned in my previous response."American consumers are drinking more bottled water every year. They collectively spend hundreds or thousands of dollars more per gallon for water in a plastic bottle than they would for the H20 flowing from their taps.
Plastic bottle production in the United States annually requires about 17.6 million barrels of oil, enough to fuel more than one million cars.
About 86 percent of empty plastic water bottles in the United States land in the garbage instead of being recycled. That amounts to about two million tons of plastic bottles piling up in U.S. landfills each year.To solve this, action must be taken from the federal, state, and local governments must protect the quality and integrity of our water resources.
Again investing in the maintenance and renewal of municipal water and sewage treatment plants, storage, and distribution. Our water pipes and sewer lines in the United States were built in the late 1800s, the 1920s.Old, corroded water lines can break are not only wasting water but also opening avenues for contamination. Worn out or overburdened sewage systems can overflow into our streams, rivers, lakes, and oceans, creating serious health concerns. The National Research Council recently warned of more water-borne disease outbreaks unless we make "substantial investments" in improving our drinking water and sewage storage and distribution systems.
Every year, Congress debates proposals for funding clean drinking water. A 2007 bill provided $14 billion in federal loan guarantees over four years for water and sewer improvements. While the bill passed the House of Representatives, it has not yet passed the Senate. Unfortunately, even if it were to become law, it would still be insufficient in meeting our nation's water infrastructure needs.
Collectively, our communities fall about $22 billion short annually of what they need to maintain and improve public drinking water and sewage systems. Federal dollars are the only way to address this clean water infrastructure funding gap estimated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Government Accountability Office, and the non-profit Water Infrastructure Network at between $300 and $500 billion over 20 years. Much of the funding gap stems from government cuts to clean water programs."
From sustainabletable.orgAppalling, isn'it?
Thank you Government!
They thought: "Who cares if these people will get sick by drinking this water, we don't! And that's all it counts, let them rot just like those pipes"And that's my rant.
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http://www.free-tv-video-online.info/player/megavideo.php?id=DNPXNOXS
fast forward to 16:40 for penn and teller's take on this
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Here is my rant from another post on current about bottled water. The contaminants you mention need to be dealt with at the source.
These are in all water...and buying a bottle of water IS NOT going to keep you from drinking them. Most of these contaminants are synthetic, and even naturally occuring contaminants like arsenic may not be removed with an RO system."All of the reports coming out in mainstream media about how contaminated the water supply is in the US appears to be geared toward the big business end end of water sales.
In other words...let's tell people their water supply is contaminated with all sorts of crap so botlled water sellers can keep their profit margines up.
Yes, there are contaminants in just about every water source in the US. Pesticides, herbicides, anti-biotics, excessive nitrates...and the list could go on.
However, many of these chemicals are in the parts per billion, and many of them ARE NOT removed in the bottled water process.
But...and this is a BIG BUT....no one talks about the crap in our food supply. No one talks about how the crap gets in our food and water supplies.
Wouldn't want to actually give the people the info they need to make informed decisions.Reverse osmosis, the method used to make bottled water from your tap water, is readily available at most Home Depots, etc. in the form of a 1 or 2 gallon tank, a couple of filters and a little spout.
These are not expensive! The local Home Depot sells them for around 100 to 150 dollars. Consider what you pay for a bottle of water, and then consider how much water you can get from an under-sink filtration system.
No more plactic bottles thrown away in landfills. You can use refillable water bottles.
Cripes! people can be really ignorant. "Now....the only way you are going to get uncontaminated water is by buyng distilled water. But guess what? Distilled water pulls minerals from your body, can make you very ill over time, and costs twice as much as regular bottled water.
So...for all you folks who only drink bottled water.....you're paying a company bookoo bucks for something that is really no better than what comes from your tap.
Go get an under-sink reverse osmosis in your kitchen and quit paying a company to sell you back the water you are already paying for.
Better yet....get better informed on your local water treatment plant. Maybe next time the city wants to sell a bond for an upgrade to the water treatment plant, you won't bitch as loud.OK...I've had my second rant for the morning.:))
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csmonut:
no that was good enough. I agree the water supply issue is just an extension of our overall environmental issue. Like you said though big businesses would prefer if you didn't ask that question. Ironically they perpetuate environmental concerns about municipal water, but the irony is really in their approach.
Although I'm drinking certain chemicals in parts per billion it is sorta gross if we want to treat our bodies better.
In end the we need to stop building a society on a budget and build the best, safest, sustainable, advanced infrastructure even if that means bankrupting the rich in the process. - 3 years ago
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wow since 2001. that year sounds familiar, oh yeah bush 911, NEW WORLD ORDER/illuminati. depopulation, dumb down society,take away all your human rights,take away your freedom. now its 2009 look how FU*K UP things is. yall bought that crap sinker and all. you better wake up its not to late. But if you still want to keep taking that blue pill you keep on doing it sheeple, or wake up and take the red one, and get your life in order. peace out blood raw/it is what it is
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I have seen a few comments mentioning to get bottled water instead.
I just wanted to say that unfortunately bottled water is as bad if not worse than tap water.
It's not only about its bad quality, it's about plastic and human rights.
Bottled water companies steal water from communities, they privatize it and sell it thousands times more than its value."The $60 billion global bottled water industry has grown rapidly in recent years. To keep up with the expanding market, corporations are looking for new water sources. Once they identify good or easy targets, they come into communities, bottle their water, slap a corporate logo on it and sell it to stores across the country. The profits are great and the resource is cheap. The corporations benefit. The communities don’t."
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/water/bottled/bottled-water-jobs/?searchterm=un...
Also posted before:
http://current.com/items/90697831_ban-plastic-bottled-water/25.htmWhat to do then?
Tap?
Bottled water?
My next post will be all about this, offering and discussing solutions.
Thanks - 3 years ago
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lookatmypix:
I agree that tap water is better in most places, but knowing the cons of bottled water I still will drink it over the tap water at my house. The risks of drinking the water here are not worth it to me.
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lookatmypix:
Why don't you invest in a great RO filter?
You will get quality, save money and won't support these companies. - 3 years ago
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Just looking through the 20 violations that occurred in my hometown since 2004 I found th the following (just to name a few). Arsenic, Barium, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, Nickel, Antimony, Beryllium, and Selenium.
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Yeah, Sanitation!
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Lidia78
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Someone, summon Erin Brockovich!!!!
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I'm so glad i can afford bottled water
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ANTH0L0GY:
no win there. the plastic softeners from the bottlel could be just as bad for you as the tap water (which is to say not particularly) All bottled water usually really is is filtered tap water anyway.
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its worse than that, the guys at the filtration plants spend most of their time ph balancing the water with other chemicals to make it neutral for consumption. Which is in essence the same thing you do to pool water.
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RaceBannon:
magical thinking. They ph balance pools for different reasons.
By your logic They probably also spend a certain amount of time staring at it too which is what people do with pornography. So that means the water is dirty right? - 3 years ago
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RaceBannon:
my point was indicate the practice of ph balancing drinking water in cities is a little insane. We shouldn't put any amount of chemicals into water when cities could spend the extra money on better filtration technology. I'm
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RaceBannon:
The problem with water treatment usually comes from lack of updated facilities. And that is usually because tax payer funds are not sent there, or people will not vote in a bond, etc.
Water treatment is not that in-depth of a process. However, new technologies exist which would help clean the water better, though most synthetic contaminants cannot be removed through regular treatment, or even reverse osmosis.
The ph is not balanced, so to speak. It is simply maintained between 6.4 +/- and 7.0. The chlorine used is for final stage disinfection, not for ph balancing. - 3 years ago
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we should be cracking down on industry. they are the source of water pollutions. or is the economy worth more than public health? funny thing is, jobs would be created in cleaning the environment up. america has this weird misconception that regulation is bad for industry, and whats bad for industry is bad for the economy. doesn't matter, noone really cares anyhow... why worry about what you can't see with your own two eyes, right?
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cccocanicola:
You can thank the U.N. for 3rd World Countries.
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I wonder what kind of chemicals it takes to 'clean' the water?
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craigsaid:
flocculants (which remove tiny particles from suspension) are a big one. They are pretty innocuous though, like iron or calcium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flocculation - 3 years ago
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Have you ever heard of 'acceptable parts per million'? Or as my dad would say "Oh yeah well at least we're not as bad as Nigeria!" hahaha
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EmperorThan:
how many PPM of prescription drugs or fecal/chemical runoff is acceptable in your water?
minerals are good, not chemicals.this is speculation but, Sometimes i think third world countries are slightly better off with their water as they may have ground wells.
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EmperorThan:
well if you say zero then you will spend your life disappointed. This is pure FUD.
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please note britas are made by the clorox corporation, i cant imagine them being too invested in good filtration, brita says on the box its for taste not safety.
since the brita is built to filter specifically for taste and not chemicals.
To remove the ability of your observation of the chemicals that this company creates.
Brita lists to filter Chlorine, fluoride, Copper, Mercury, Cadmium and Zinc only. (and large particle lead)
* http://www.brita.com/us/support/about-impurities/The only way to remove 100% of VOC (volatile organic compounds) such as medicine, are basic steam distilling or intense clay/carbon filtration.
Unlike Brita or PUR a worthwhile filter would offer to filter VOCs or more:
http://www.home-water-purifiers-and-filters.com/voc.php - 3 years ago
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Tyrannous:
Thank you for great info.
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Tyrannous:
a bit Howard Hughes though. This whole thing is a bit boy in the bubble. Getting the pesticides out of water is one thing, but those last minute traces of minerals just aren't important.
As for anti Britta conspiracy theory, water filtration technology is not new tech. Everybody basically uses the same systems. An activated charcoal filter is an activated charcoal filter. One company's 1 micron ceramic filter is going to have holes the same size as the next company's 1 micron filter. that's why they call it 1 micron.
Now if by "britta' you mean charcoal filter, then yeah, kind of. If you have a serious chemical problem becasue you say live in a rural area and have your own well then a multi stage filter like the one shown might be a good idea. (Dollars to doughnuts one of those canisters will have charcoal in it btw just like the Britta filter) If you live in a city though then the basic filtering will already have been done, and all you will likely have any use for is a charcoal filter to remove trace stuff.
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Tyrannous:
i never said anything about removing minerals, im mainly concerned with VOCs.
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The best way to drink water is to use a filter on the tap, and then to distill it. I'm a homebrewer, and when I homebrew beer or soda, I put my prefiltered water though 3 distillers. It takes them 24 hours to crank out 6 gallons. But it is .999 pure H2O. If you could see all the heavy metals, and corrosion left behind to damage the stainless steel cannisters used to boil the water,recondense it through the still, and drip it through a charcoal filter, you'd see how nasty the water quality is. Drinking organicly produced
fruit and vegetable juices processed through a Jack LaLane juicerator, you might obtain the same high quality distilled water without having to resort to distillers. At least so long as the ground isn't contaminated. God gave you only one pair of Kidneys to laste a lifetime. Treat them well. If you've ever seen people who have to go through Kidney dialysis, you'll appreciate having kidneys that are intact. Don't drink too much alchohol either if you want to keep them intact. Alchohol not only ruins your liver but your kidneys too. Your kidneys are your body's natural water filters. - 3 years ago
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PressCore:
that makes sense for brewing because by removing everything but the H20 you make more room for the stuff you are going to add to it. I bet most of the stuff you are seeing though is innocuous. In particular that 'corrosion' isn't corrosion if you are using stainless steel. it's most likely dissolved iron in the water. The most common things one finds in tap water is calcium or iron (hard water) While either can be annoying for washing, neither is dangerous. They are arguably actually good for you if you drink them.
I wonder what kind of change you would see if you ran it through a water softener as well as a filter.
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PressCore:
Thank you bombastinator for the tip.
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yay for living in the 91 worst rated tap water, Jacksonville Florida! and drinking tap water as I type. I do have a PuR filter on my sick, yet i know it is no where near enough to clean my water. I plan on purchasing a serious filter that will get the fluoride, radium, lead, and chloride out later this month.
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Ajil:
RADIUM??? Dude you don't have any radium in your water. Thre is waay too much chicken little FUD going on here. If your water is being treated by the water company and you live in a city, it's already gotten much better care than you can give it at home. Most of the problems you will find in your water is either from the pipes between you and the treatment plant, and possibly as artifacts of the treatment itself. A carbon filter is all you are going to need.
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I'm not affiliated with this company but I use the enviro sink top and shower filter. The shower filter is great because it takes out the chlorine which also causes problems as we absorb it through our skin.
New Wave Enviro Products Inc.: Water Filters
http://www.newwaveenviro.com/filters-c-8_1.htmlWhat are the Effects of Chlorine in the Shower?
http://www.newwaveenviro.com/new/premium-shower-fil...
scroll down - 3 years ago
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ninthstate:
anything with activated charcoal does that. it's not special. This chlorine though the skin thing sounds entertaining. Did they say How much chlorine? I'm betting very little. The problem with the water filter industry is that while some people need them, most people don't. The filter industry needs to sell filters though and they are perfectly happy to sell you one whether you actually need it or not.
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its probably still better for you then bottled water
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CalgarC:
depends on where you live. I only drink bottled water because I live in an oil field.
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Meh. You can get levels pollutiants like that in water merely by taking pure water and exposing it to regular outside city air for a period of time. If you live in an area with bad water buy a filter. Most don't though.
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bombastinator:
That photo is a little blurry. Is that implying the message?
I get it. A lot of my childhood friends have died from cancer.
It's in the ground, water, and air.
I'm surprised that's all they could find in water.
Maybe that was all they tested for? - 3 years ago
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bombastinator:
Well as long as you're not a senior citizen it sounds to me like there was some kind of cancer cluster in your area. Doesn't mean it was water though. An old asbestos factory nearby would be a good one for instance. Did they all die of the same type of cancer or was it random?
If you are a senior citizen though it might just mean that time is catching up. Everyone that lives long enough will get cancer eventually. That's not even medicine, it's physics. Cancer happens when DNA fails in a particular way. Given enough time and enough failure opportunities, it will happen.
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Coming from someone who is completely ignorant about tap water issues, I'm not sure I understand the fuss.
If no one is getting sick, then does it really matter? Since this is an issue, does that imply that people are getting sick, or just that it would be wiser for government to set new water quality standards? Several places throughout the world have lower quality tap water (that is still drinkable without boiling or other purification methods) and doesn't that only strengthen your immune system?
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Theekshani:
Read this:
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/water/trust-fund/clearwaters/NY_FactSheet.pdfCheck some of the contaminants listed by EPA and the potential health effects:
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.htmlThese are just a few examples of contaminants.
Cancer, diabetes, brain damage etc are all potentially health effects brought from contaminated tap water, most of them are not immediate.The fact that EPA recognizes it, does not help much, funding is what we need to change the water infrastructure and water quality issue.
Please check all my older posts about this, I suggested a solution:
http://current.com/items/89771759_shouldnt-water-be-cleaned-for-free.htmJust a quote that makes me think:
"The truth is, there is no "New" water on this planet. All water is old water that has been recycled continuously for millions of years. We are actually drinking the same water that the dinosaurs drank, recycled obviously by Mother Nature". - 3 years ago
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Theekshani:
is cancer not getting sick?
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Theekshani:
Yeah, I don't think it's safe to drink benzene. That's why I only drink bottled water. I don't trust tap water in my town.
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Theekshani:
It's a question of levels. Simply by living on the planet everyone is exposed to almost everything all the time. They are just exposed to so little of it it doesn't matter. The question is how much they are exposed to.
The point is does the water make people sick yes or no? The guy attempted to dodge by saying that these chemicals can in fact make people sick without saying that the levels of the chemicals are actually doing that.
If you want to go to the wall with that logic water is even more dangerous too much water will in fact kill you. Happens all the time. They call it drowning.
What I think is important here is that some of the effects of some of these chemicals, particularly weird man made stuff like organic solvents and pesticides and whatnot are just un know n asnd may in fact be dangerous in the amounts described. A lot of this is FUD though.
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Theekshani:
Sam-the-Wizer,
Your bottled water is your tap water. And furthermore, the contaminants that are in your tap water are still in your bottled water you pay alot more for. - 3 years ago
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Theekshani:
At least the bottled water is tap water from another area. I don't have a problem with tap water in general, I have a problem with MY tap water.
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lookatmypix
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Take action, protect and strengthen our public water!
http://action.foodandwaterwatch.org/t/5915/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=1988
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lookatmypix
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http://www.ewg.org/project/2009tapwater/blogger/EWG_10bestworstwater.jpg
Here is the picture of the best and worst water utilities. - 3 years ago
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lookatmypix:
just thinking about the geology involved it looks like the good cities sit on deep porous rock aquifers and use deep well water, whereas the bad cities are in deserts or swamps. No big surprises.
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bombastinator
