Female armed robber stripped, beaten and set alight by angry lynch mob
source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1236323/Female-armed-robber-stripped-beate...
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Alejandra Maria Torres was part of an armed gang that tried to rob bus passengers in Guatemala City.
But as she tried to escape the passengers stripped and beat her before dousing her in petrol and setting her alight.
Police put out the flames and arrested her. Her three companions escaped.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1236323/Female-armed-robber-st...
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thewhompus
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Ok, so those of you who think this was over the top- please consider the effect of living in a society where robbery at gunpoint is commonplace.
Any of you who have not had the pleasure of having a group of psychotic bastards wave guns in your face should perhaps consider your responses more realistically.
While the article doesn't specifically mention guns, people don't typically try to rob entire busloads of people with bananas.
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thewhompus
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wefydotinfo
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whoa whoa whoa.that's bad
- 2 years ago
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wefydotinfo
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midsummerman
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Is it because she is a female and a redhead?
- 2 years ago
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midsummerman
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Rusteh_Bull3t
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Thats... messed up.... >.>
- 2 years ago
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Rusteh_Bull3t
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unclecharlie
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My prayers go out to this poor woman- that she "has" to resort to crime to feed herself.... :(
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unclecharlie
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ozoneocean
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The ironic thing is that that mob of thugs committed a far worse crime than the woman and they will likely get away scot free! THAT's "street justice" for you. I'm surprised they didn't also try and rape her.
Should change the title here to "criminals beat criminal" - 2 years ago
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ozoneocean
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calm_incense
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Ugh, I absolutely hate this kind of populist rage.
Reminds me of one incident in Mexico in which a mob of people mistook two undercover police officers as rapists (when the police officers were actually investigating the crime) and MURDERED the police officers in a disgustingly violent frenzy.
I'm sorry, but that's just plain barbaric. There are no excuses for such mindless rage.
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calm_incense
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SamuraiDave
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Those berating the mob should realize that bus robberies are unfortunately not a rare thing in Guatemala City and this is probably a result of enough is enough. They went too far but considering what they have to put up with I can't say I blame them.
Reminds me of a story of what happened to James-Younger Gang when the towns folk shot them up as they tried to escape from one of their robberies.
- 2 years ago
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SamuraiDave
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deathmetalbrian
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i don't have a lot of sympathy for armed bandits.
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deathmetalbrian
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Johnd38
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The crowd should have stopped with the strip & beat. The lighting on fire was beyond the extreme necessary.
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Johnd38
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bombastinator
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Johnd38:
over reacting is what mobs do.
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bombastinator
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sedgleyoss
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A person knows no limits when trying to protect their well being or livelyhood. While burning her was over the top she still committed a crime and the people there deserved to be angry especially when guns were pointed at them. You don't need to rob a bus to eat. If you needed food you would shoplift food. The beating seemed warranted especially as she doesn't look too hurt (at least before the burning).
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sedgleyoss
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arcataberry
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Why did they only go after the woman? Pretty cowardly that they let the 3 men escape. Or is it just another example of latin american woman-hating?
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arcataberry
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Buddha2112
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arcataberry:
Here's the the thing though: She's not a petty woman, she attempted to rob them all with a weapon. Not exactly a little defenseless girl. Considering that the robbery was thwarted, I don't really think any of the people that reacted are cowardly either. We have no way to know how the others got away, but I'd venture to say the people would have the same sympathies towards the other robbers if they could catch em. Maybe the woman was just slower.
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Buddha2112
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atainder
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Violence for violence doesn't solve a damn thing. The level of ignorance on current comment is disgusting. All of these spoiled, complacent ,have no grounds to say this is "fair".
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atainder
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vans1170
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i would say that i have no sympathy for someone doing something about her committing a crime, but that's a little extreme.
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vans1170
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UrbanGypsy
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That type of mob justice is actually quite common in Latin America. The worst is usually left for rapists and child molesters... People usually get together and attack these people as enemies of society.
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UrbanGypsy
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KSirys
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UrbanGypsy:
It sure is... I'm from South America and street justice is a common thing.
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KSirys
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Buddha2112
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The fire part might be extreme (though she didn't die), but who the hell is going to try and rob them now?
It's not so much justice as it is a crime deterrent. A very effective one at that.
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Buddha2112
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NickerBocker09
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equal justice? She didnt burn anyone alive. I understand that the people of the country face huge amounts of crime everyday, but what the mob did was wrong, they should face criminal charges, so should she.
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NickerBocker09
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jamieson
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Sounds like Glasgow.
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jamieson
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versasrev
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I wouldn't do it, but the question of is it, or how wrong was it depends on more info than I have at the moment. DId these people have guns? were the treatening to kill people? If the people on the bus truely felt that there life was endangered, then there is a certain fairness to the act that is hard for me to argue aginst.
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versasrev
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DougChristian
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versasrev:
It shouldn't matter how threatened they felt during the crime. They had already thwarted the crime, and had her stripped and somewhat beaten on the ground. I'd say that's fair justice. But at that point they were no longer in any danger and there's no possible justification for lighting her on fire.
If they do have a working justice system, she should get a couple years for armed robbery and whoever put gasoline on her should get a couple decades for attempted murder.
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DougChristian
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versasrev
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versasrev:
You know what you're still thinking like an American; however beyond that neither of us has enough information to really understand or make a determination on this instance. This being the case we both not presume anything about the wrong or right of the situation since we know nothing of the full situation beyond a news blurb.
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versasrev
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flyingkick
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It's surreal and disturbing how calm and aloof the crowd of onlookers is.
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flyingkick
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morirjedi
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There you go equal punishment. She did live.
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morirjedi
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NotFooled
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While setting her on fire is a bit much, some of these and other thugs will think twice before trying something like this again.
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NotFooled
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NotFooled:
Do you really think that? Even when the death penalty was the law of the land for any crime there was still crime. If you need to steal to live you are gonna do what you have to regardless of the possible penalty.
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fun_size
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artemis6
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Setting her on fire is too much .
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artemis6
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becktionary83
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A perfect example of mob mentality leading to complete and utter lawlessness. These people must not have much in the way of personal values and ethics.
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becktionary83
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sedgleyoss
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becktionary83:
What country do you come from? America has this type of thing happen all the time. Values? Ethics? Lets judge an entire people on what one group did. I would love to see how you would respond if you were held up while having a weapon. Would you take that weapon out and kill them before they get you?
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sedgleyoss
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DougChristian
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becktionary83:
Your example is not analogous. If someone had shot her dead while she was in the act of armed robbery there would be no problem with it at all.
That's very different than setting her on fire after she has been disarmed, taken down, stripped and beaten.
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DougChristian
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sedgleyoss
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becktionary83:
It dosen't matter. The individual above judged a whole country by basing them on the actions of one group of people. You are right though and I am sorry for the inaccurate comparison. But maybe you should address the main point of the comment having to do with this : "These people must not have much in the way of personal values and ethics." Address the conversation not the sidebars :)
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sedgleyoss
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becktionary83
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becktionary83:
Sedgleyoss,
I really don't even think your attempt to bait me or put words in my mouth dignifies a response, but for your benefit here's a disclaimer.
My statement is not inclusive of an entire race or nation of people nor did I didn't intend to do so. I was referring to the picture which show a bunch of people standing around doing absolutely nothing as a crime is being perpetrated in front of them. Abandoning ethics and values to take part in social justice is inexcusable. According to the story it is not as if there is a non-existent police force or an unwillingness to enforce the law (i.e. they arrested the robber).
Maybe you shouldn't read so much into others commentary.
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becktionary83
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sedgleyoss
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becktionary83:
I am sorry that I misread your comment. You obviously did not mean it in the way I interpreted it. But the picture shows people in front of a beaten criminal. We have no idea how these individuals reacted when she was set on fire. Probably terrified (but who knows?).
The people who robbed the bus hurt these individuals livelihood by taking it away. Did they react in an extreme manner? My opinion is yes. There is always a response time for police officers and three criminals got away. To react with violence when someone uses it to intimidate you is only human. Most would react by shooting the individual. At least she is still alive? The police did get one robber! The one they beat and kept there!
Maybe you shouldn't use "these people" when referring to the group in the photo!
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sedgleyoss
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becktionary83
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becktionary83:
In the online community things are sometimes lost in translation which I cannot fault you for but I still don't feel my original comment was a blanket statement painting an entire nation/race of people. I will take your suggestion under advisement.
Anyway, in the interest of keeping the conversation going I will comment on your post. True we have no idea how those people reacted but I believe that there is still a universal value for life shared by a majority of people. In my opinion, I don't think this persons life would have been spared had the authorities not shown up.
You bring up the issue of response time in this case as well. This is obviously an important issue and I agree with you but to abandon individual sensibilities to follow a mob decree is lunacy. When one person is outnumbered by an entire mob they stand little to no chance and would most likely stand down.
I guess the point I wish to make is that the actions of the mob are completely senseless and void of any true justice.
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becktionary83
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sedgleyoss
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becktionary83:
I agree. Once they set her on fire, they acted in a very extreme and irrational manner. Police in their community should react by arresting some of the members of this mob. They should not be allowed to burn an individual and get away with it. I also think she would have died had the authorities not shown up.
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sedgleyoss
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thewhompus
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Interesting issue....
I doubt in Guatemala City the police do anything to protect the citizenry, so perhaps this is the only justice the common people are likely to get.
Put another way, are such things still wrong IN THE ABSENCE of any other form of justice?
I mean- If someone came into my neighborhood and started waving guns around, and I knew the police wouldn't do anything about it, I'd be awfully inclined to do SOMETHING.....
I'm going to refrain from offering an opinion and am curious what everyone else thinks.....
- 2 years ago
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thewhompus
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Twistisking
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that's fucked up as hell. Street justice is never true justice. How can you try to burn a human alive?
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Twistisking
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Buddha2112
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Twistisking:
You can start with petrol or gas, and then a match or something. Lighters might be too dangerous. I don't think it's that sick, if you're wielding a weapon with malicious intent you should be prepared to die, with little say in the matter of 'how'. Especially if you fuck it up.
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Buddha2112
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sedgleyoss
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Twistisking:
Buddha knows whats up.
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sedgleyoss
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nursediesel
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Hey, she 's not likely to try that again in that town... Whoa!
People get tired of abuse and strike back. Too bad all were not caught.
BTW I don't agree with what the people on the bus did, they should have just detained her.....but maybe their justice system keeps letting criminals off the hook....so they can keep robbing the poor working people. - 2 years ago
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nursediesel
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CalgarC
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FAILcrime... but still was burning her necessary...
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CalgarC
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bailey78
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Now that is the way to deal with crime.
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bailey78
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medHead
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whoa! does the punishment fit the crime?
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