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Copenhagen ends with walks outs, demonstrations, and disappointment

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With only hours left in the Copenhagen climate treaty talks we have obtained an early version of the final agreement' draft text.

President Obama's speech wrapped up a few minutes ago with nothing new announced. But as long as this session continues there remains hope that world leaders can deliver a fair, ambitious and legally binding deal.

Things continue to evolve and according to the draft version of the agreement, the major issue of the amount of greenhouse gas emissions cuts by what year, remains unanswered.

As it stands, the text states:

Annex I Parties to the Convention commit to implement, individually or jointly, the quantified economy-wide emission targets for 2020 as listed yielding in aggregate reductions of greenhouse gas emissions of X per cent in 2020 compared to 1990 and Y per cent in 2020 compared to 2005...

Based on the best scientific research these numbers should be 25-40 percent below 1990 levels by 2020 and by 80-95 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.

One thing to note is that the draft text now includes a mention of a 2005 baseline as well as 1990, which is most likely a bow to pressure by developed countries like the US and Canada who are looking to come out of these negotiations looking better than the actually are by moving the emission reduction goal posts.

Watch to see what these numbers look like in the final signed treaty, as well as the baseline year that is included in the final text.
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30 comments // Copenhagen ends with walks outs, demonstrations, and disappointment

  • Logos51891
  • ShawnMRill
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      ShawnMRill  
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    • GLOBAL WARMING

      Jesse Ventura is following the money trail, out to expose the most frightening, inconvenient Conspiracy Theory yet: That Global Warming may be a scam.

      The movement claims the planet is heading to disaster because factories and cars are heating up the atmosphere with carbon dioxide. The green industry feeds off our fears and urges us to spend billions on products that purport to be good for the environment.

      This week, Jesse and his investigators are traveling around the world to expose the power-brokers who pull the strings and rake in fortunes. The Conspiracy Theory team aims to get to the bottom of claims that global warming is a powerful plot meant to extort, tax and control all of us.

      From a remote wilderness location, where one critical scientist claims he is hiding from death threats, to Silicon Valley, where a company makes a bundle helping corporations avoid paying carbon tax, then all the way to China to learn more. Jesse also examines Al Gore's role in all this, but he pushes further as he uncovers evidence that leads him to the man known as The Wizard, who just might be behind the whole global warming conspiracy.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOYwur6T6tc

      http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

    • 2 years ago
  • treewolf39
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • ShawnMRill:

      Old news/propaganda - ignoring the melting ice caps . There is climate change . We do need to be more sustainable . The real danger always was and still is GM "foods" and poison water . Just proof corporate interests are far worse than terrorist for us all .

    • 2 years ago
  • smallgod
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      smallgod  
    • ShawnMRill:

      treewolf, that is very sad. Jesse Ventura is a true patriotic American who has served his country. He doesn't take profits from this show at all and uses it to put concerns he has encountered while serving his country into the public. He's not at all being alarmist here - he's pointing out that the AGW camp is itself alarmist and full of lies, omissions and misinformation geared at making a profit for those at the top while making suckers of those seemingly good intentioned folks like you and me.

    • 2 years ago
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • ShawnMRill:

      After blowing off some steam, I will withhold judgement and watch more of Jesse's show. His work on investigating H.A.R.P. changed my mind. The possibility that the north pole is being melted on purpose is worth looking into.

    • 2 years ago
  • CalgarC
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      CalgarC  
    • if we fire X number of politicians by 2020 which is Y number then 2005 by 2020 our planet will hav a 25-40 percent chance of surviving by 2020 and 85-95 percent by 2050...

    • 2 years ago
  • stephenthomson
  • sedgleyoss
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      sedgleyoss  
    • Thank god. It is not for our politicians to decide. We are rational and informed individuals. Within the United States there is not a person who supports pollution unless they make money from it. However, there are many who are not willing to inconvenience their lives or spend their well earned money on carbon taxes. Environmentalism is for people to take upon themselves. It is not something for the government to enforce!

    • 2 years ago
  • smallgod
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      smallgod  
    • Politicians should have never been selected or ever allowed to 'handle "climate change"' anyway. They're not going to do anything!!!!!! They're going to make everyone's lives worse. How stupid are people!?!?! The corporations, the MAJOR POLLUTERS, are just going to be able to pay to pollute. People who support this Bullshit are interested in exercising control over others, from the comfort of their homes and with the comfort of the excess of foods available to them, because, in all their pomp, snob, and patronizing myopic condescension, they don't trust individuals to make decisions for themselves.

    • 2 years ago
  • leboot
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      leboot  
    • we are impressive as a species, but ultimately not more that yeast, who also pollute themselves to death. who will drink our wine?

    • 2 years ago
  • versasrev
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      versasrev  
    • Let me just through this out there. If anything at all happened, its an improvement. To be honest though, Obama has no real authority for a treaty as that power is solely in the hands of the congress (per the Constitution). The only power Obama had in the whole situation is as a negotiator, end of discussion. From what I have read and seen it seems that he did his best in that role, as individual concerns and opinions of other countries had to (as in all cases of negotiation) be thoroughly considered. I would consider any results to be better than expected, as any and all international conferences have a tendency to breakdown (sometimes rather quickly, Russia in this case).

      Not nearly the best of all possible worlds, but a start of any sort is better than nothing!

    • 2 years ago
  • Ajil
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      Ajil  
    • its even more obvious that citizens of the world keeping waiting for politicians to produce positive results, when its the will of the people that cause major changes. "WE NOT ME" --- YES WE CAN....

    • 2 years ago
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • In the age of media people are more confused then ever. I think the change that is needed will only come from grass-roots led action. The business community can take the lead by selling low carbon products. People can learn to use less and waste less. If we wait for the governments of rich polluting countries to do something they will. THEY WILL TALK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • ok, i'm gonna keep this one clean. what if the whole global warming thing is a myth, and the bitter hippies are all wrong about the environment? everything we ever learned about petroleum being a cancer causing poison is a big fat lie, and it actually cures cancer instead of causing it? in fact , cancer is good for you, it's just under-appreciated. even if in the bizarro-world i just described where everything is ok ( a change of 2 degrees means very bad things for a LOT of species, mostly aquatic ones) the things we greenies are pushing are not necessarily bad, even if you're a christian ( i didnt use the upper case 'c' i will start when you start acting Christ-like). recycling is good for the pocketbook as well as the spotted owl, and reusing is almost better, beacuse at least it's not done by slave labor in southeast Asia. (see recycling of computer components) why do we need to use plastic microbeads as exfoliants? why cant our shower gel contain sand instead? Yes, Obama is doing nothing as far as the endangered species act. No, California is NOT going to break off and fall into the Pacific, no matter how hard all the haters in the midwest (or as i like to call it, the middle east) wish it. ok enough of this diatribe. oh i almost forgot, monsanto is coming to get you. and your genes. and your food.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • I'm still disappointed. Not surprised, but still disappointed. It is obvious that politicians just don't have the moral courage to take on this challenge.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • spacemikey
  • Jenkins1986
  • JanforGore
  • larrysnotes
  • JanforGore
  • larrysnotes
  • JonRaymond
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    • http://current.com/items/91718069_copenhagen-nothing-resolved.htm

      The results look like a lot of hollow political rhetoric that can be changed and interpreted at will. I doubt there will ever be any meaningful changes made to effect global warming until there is catastrophe, and maybe not even then.

      Temperature

      "The increase in global temperature should be below two degrees."

      This will disappoint the 100-plus nations who wanted a lower maximum of 1.5C, including many small island states who fear that even at this level their homes may be submerged.

      Peak date for carbon emissions

      "We should co-operate in achieving the peaking of global and national emissions as soon as possible, recognizing that the time frame for peaking will be longer in developing countries …" This vague phrase is a disappointment to those who want nations to set a date for emissions to fall, but will please developing countries who want to put the economy first.

      Emissions cuts

      "Parties commit to implement individually or jointly the quantified economy-wide emissions targets for 2020 as listed in appendix 1 before 1 February 2010."

      This phrase commits developed nations to start work almost immediately on reaching their mid-term targets. For the US, this is a weak 14-17% reduction on 2005 levels; for the EU, a still-to-be-determined goal of 20-30% on 1990 levels; for Japan, 25% and Russia 15-25% on 1990 levels. The accord makes no mention of 2050 targets, which dropped out of the text over the course of the day.

      Forests

      "Substantial finance to prevent deforestation; adaptation, technology development and transfer and capacity."

      This is crucial because more than 15% of emissions are attributed to the clearing of forests. Conservation groups are concerned that this phrase lacks safeguards.

      Money

      "The collective commitment by developed countries is to provide new and additional resources amounting to $30bn for 2010-12 … Developed countries set a goal of mobilizing jointly $100bn a year by 2020 to address needs of developing countries."

      This is the cash that oils the deal. The first section is a quick financial injection from rich nations to support developing countries' efforts. Longer term, a far larger sum of money will be committed to a Copenhagen Green Climate Fund. But the agreement leaves open the questions of where the money will come from, and how it will be used.

      Key elements of earlier drafts dropped during yesterday's negotiations:

      • An attempt to replace Kyoto

      "Affirming our firm resolve to adopt one or more legal instruments …"

      This preamble, killed off during the day, was the biggest obstacle for negotiators. It left open the question of whether to continue a twin-track process that maintains the Kyoto protocol, or whether to adopt a single agreement. Europe, Japan, Australia and Canada are desperate to move to a one-track approach, but developing nations refused to kill off Kyoto – the one legally binding treaty that recognises rich nations have more responsibilities than later developers.

      Deadline for a treaty

      "… as soon as possible and no later than COP16 …" This set a December 2010 date for a binding treaty. The final text drops this, leaving open the possibility that talks could go on indefinitely.

    • 2 years ago
  • leahl
  • leahl
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      leahl  
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    • Transcript of Obama's remarks in Copenhagen
      December 18,10:30 P.M. CET

      THE PRESIDENT: Let me start with a statement and then I'll take a couple of questions.

      Today we've made meaningful and unprecedented -- made a meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough here in Copenhagen. For the first time in history all major economies have come together to accept their responsibility to take action to confront the threat of climate change.

      Let me first recount what our approach was throughout the year and coming into this conference. To begin with, we've reaffirmed America's commitment to transform our energy economy at home. We've made historic investments in renewable energy that have already put people back to work. We've raised our fuel efficiency standards. And we have renewed American leadership in international climate negotiations.

      Most importantly, we remain committed to comprehensive legislation that will create millions of new American jobs, power new industry, and enhance our national security by reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

      That effort at home serves as a foundation for our leadership around the world. Because of the actions we're taking we came here to Copenhagen with an ambitious target to reduce our emissions. We agreed to join an international effort to provide financing to help developing countries, particularly the poorest and most vulnerable, adapt to climate change. And we reaffirmed the necessity of listing our national actions and commitments in a transparent way.

      These three components -- transparency, mitigation and finance -- form the basis of the common approach that the United States and our partners embraced here in Copenhagen. Throughout the day we worked with many countries to establish a new consensus around these three points, a consensus that will serve as a foundation for global action to confront the threat of climate change for years to come.

      This success would have not been possible without the hard work of many countries and many leaders -- and I have to add that because of weather constraints in Washington I am leaving before the final vote, but we feel confident that we are moving in the direction of a significant accord.

      In addition to our close allies who did so much to advance this effort, I worked throughout the day with Prime Minister Meles of Ethiopia, who was representing Africa, as well as Premier Wen of China, Prime Minister Singh of India, President Lula of Brazil, and President Zuma of South Africa, to achieve what I believe will be an important milestone.

      Earlier this evening I had a meeting with the last four leaders I mentioned -- from China, India, Brazil, and South Africa. And that's where we agreed to list our national actions and commitments, to provide information on the implementation of these actions through national communications, with international consultations and analysis under clearly defined guidelines. We agreed to set a mitigation target to limit warming to no more than 2 degrees Celsius, and importantly, to take action to meet this objective consistent with science.

      Taken together these actions will help us begin to meet our responsibilities to leave our children and our grandchildren a cleaner and safer planet.

      Now, this progress did not come easily, and we know that this progress alone is not enough. Going forward, we're going to have to build on the momentum that we've established here in Copenhagen to ensure that international action to significantly reduce emissions is sustained and sufficient over time

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • pjacobs51
  • leahl
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      leahl  
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    • Bill McKibben, American environmentalist and founder of 350.org , responds to Obama's press conference this evening:

      "This is a declaration that small and poor countries don't matter, that international civil society doesn't matter, and that serious limits on carbon don't matter. The president has wrecked the UN and he's wrecked the possibility of a tough plan to control global warming. It may get Obama a reputation as a tough American leader, but it's at the expense of everything progressives have held dear. 189 countries have been left powerless, and the foxes now guard the carbon henhouse without any oversight."

    • 2 years ago
  • leahl
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      leahl  
    • COPENHAGEN -- World leaders reached a climate deal Friday night, according to an Obama administration official and other sources familiar with the talks. They said the deal provides a means to monitor and verify emissions cuts by developing countries but has less ambitious climate targets than the United States and European governments had initially sought.

      "Today, we've made a meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough here in Copenhagen," President Obama said after the accord was announced.

      An Obama administration official, speaking earlier on condition of anonymity, said a "meaningful agreement was reached" following a multilateral meeting between Obama and the leaders of China, India and South Africa. "It's not sufficient to combat the threat of climate change, but it's an important first step," the official said.

      The deal appeared to fall short of even modest expectations for the summit. As part of the agreement -- brokered after a last-minute meeting between Obama and his counterparts from China, India and South Africa -- industrialized and developing nations agreed to list their national actions and commitments in their fight against climate change, while vowing to take action to prevent the Earth's temperature from rising by more than 2 degrees Celsius. In addition, they agreed to provide information on the implementation of their actions, which would be subject to international review and analysis.

      Check the link for full story and video of Obama's speech.

    • 2 years ago
  • leahl
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      leahl  
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    • Obama Proposes 3-Part Copenhagen 'Bottom Line' as Talks Reach Crisis Point:

      "U.S. President Barack Obama called on the world today to adopt a three-part framework of mitigation, transparency and financing to unclog global climate change talks in Copenhagen. He warned in the summit's final hours that "our ability to take collective action is in doubt and hangs in the balance."

      The plan offers "a clear formula — one that embraces the principle of common but differentiated responses and respective capabilities," Obama said, referring to a UN principle that developing nations frequently point to in calling for greater emissions cuts and concessions from developed nations.

      "It adds up to a significant accord — one that takes us farther than we have ever gone before as an international community," Obama said. He called it America's "bottom line."

      "We can embrace this accord, take a substantial step forward, and continue to refine it and build upon its foundation ... or we can again choose delay," he said.

      The U.S. president's speech before almost 120 heads of state from nations around the world, while urging action, offered no promises of success out of Copenhagen, and he announced no new agreements.

      On the final day of the two-week conference, the talks were in crisis, with the U.S. and China locked in a game of chicken over how and to what degree to hold each other accountable to commitments over financing and greenhouse gas cuts.

      Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao did not attend a meeting Obama held with 18 world leaders this morning, sending Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei in his stead — an indication of just how deeply deadlocked, if not acrimonious, the talks between the two superpowers have become. The two leaders instead held a bilateral meeting..." see rest of article at the link.

    • 2 years ago
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