World leaders fail to lead in Copenhagen

Ahh yes, America, where feelings are more important than facts and money is worth more than a life.

More ignorance. There is no "alarmism" here. Is that the only catchphrase you denialists know? Don't even think for one minute your own lack of caring isn't noted here. This is about sustaining the ecosystems that keep humans and other species sustained. No alarmism, just facts and justified concern, which of course escapes people only here to spread the seeds of ideological ignorance and political rancor because they have nothing else. Again, READ and look if it doesn't give you too much of a headache to think for yourself.

I do question my own faith, and i understand that if God was even God at all, he would have complete control of everything

even the climate.

If you really cared about "the creator" you would know that the creator and the creation aren't mutually exclusive. You can't worship the creator while shitting on his creation and think you are anywhere near looking credible. So you can stop with the "God" guilt trip. Matter of fact it is you then who needs to question your own faith considering you seem to think this Earth isn't worthy of your attention.

What do you expect when you let a bunch of spoiled and pampered little man-boys playing Risk and Monopoly with the whole of human civilization? Kick out the old guard with a revolution, it's about time.

theyre worshiping the creation instead of the creator.

jubal, dont you see the religous aspect of this whole global warming issue?

no one can argue with these people.

God is dead. He left the universe and is never coming back. We are in charge of things here on this planet and things are getting fucked up big time because people keep waiting on a myth to save them. How very terribly sad.

While you keep kneeling to the idols of mythology, the rest of us who take our responsibility seriously, as good stewards of the planet, are doing everything we can to put an end to pollution and degradation of the environment. I commend Jan for her tireless efforts to educate people on the issues of food and water safety being of a primary concern for true health of the people.

Meanwhile, those that keep hoping on the myth, do absolutely nothing except spread their smelly crap everywhere and do absolutely nothing to help the situation. They only obstruct and spread their disease of "I don't give a damn." Stop pretending that you care and that you are a good person, because its so obvious you are a fake.

well im a firm believer that God is in control of our climate, and that any of our efforts to to change that is futile.

Yah, if infact they were melting, dont you think the sun would have something, if not everything, do with it?

Don't the glaciers become ice again after they melt? And why is the sun not the culprit for melting glaciers?

Jan since you like end time prophecy so much, here you go.

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

luke 21

expected... sighs...

Hey Jan I noticed that you posted a YouTube produced by the UN. You are aware that the UN is a political bureaucracy with a very distincted POLITICAL agenda when it comes to environmental issues right?

Jan are you saying that the CO2 emmissions in Bolivia are causing climate change in there?

The only farce is your stupidity. Now come back at me so you can keep up this childish BS game of personal attack. And you bet your ass I care because I know how it effects us all , and I'm not stressed out at all. I am empowered and I'm just getting started. So unless you have something of substance to add to this, get out of my way.

I'm so glad this thread is still able to be seen so others can see those here who haven't a clue about the climate or climate science, or even what happens when you cut down a tree. No one here is saying we can STOP the climate, but we sure can work to stabilize it. The climate hoax being perpetrated by ignorant deniers with a political grudge is actually getting funny to read, though sad and desperate.

"Only a deranged and psychotic mind would consider such an idea as stopping climate change."

Because you're always right, yes?

You know what we should do?

We should *nuke* the climate.

The climate can't "change" if we nuke the shit out of it.

I always loved the words "stop climate change". As if it's something that is under our complete control. Realistically, people should not be arguing about whether the climate is changing as a result of man because it really doesn't matter. What really matters is how polluted our planet is becoming, and that's something that no one can argue with.

We are on the same level as God, we were supposedly create in the image of God, that puts us on the same level.

Gettin a little testy huh Jan, i would be too if my global warming end time prophecy was debunked.

The science from a rigged consensus whose job it was to manufacture global warming on behalf of special interests groups despite what the actual science was is firm. The rest of the scientific community who do not receive a paycheck from said special interest groups do not agree.

"The science on global warming is FIRM."

Can you read?

so you really think humans can control the climate indefinetly?

Well, if I don't know anything why are you and your brigade still in this thread? Think you will continue to drone on until I get tired of it and stop? Don't count on it. The science on global warming is FIRM. The only climate hoax is YOURS in trying to divert the conversation to accomodate your own personal political and ideological agenda and scare tactics, and you can bet I will fight that garbage all the way. Got it? I sure hope so.

you really have to stop projecting Jan

Forget it, you don't even know it.

Hopenhagen. Here are som pictures and under the picture People's Assembly a link to a video, that shows, that young people will act, despite the leadeers fail to: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45694700@N04/4194131312/

@Courage, if the plan is to destroy capitalism and enslave the world, then what you stated is an oxymoron or a thesis/antithesis statement within the same sentence.

The plan is to put a bridle on capitalism a muzzle or whatever other reign you wish to employ. Unregulated Capitalism is exactly the same as AnarchoSyndicalism in the sense that, people have to trust the those "In Charge" are going to do the right thing, that the basic human nature is love, charity, mercy, and kindness; that we all are willing to share.

The reality is that the human species is not that way at the present time. A small group of people have turned the rest into animals fighting for crumbs.

500000 people control everything on this planet that is of any value or significance. These are the 500000 that represent the top 3% of the most wealthiest people in the world. Their wealth is so great that there isn't even a magazine like Fortune 500 that keeps track of them. They are off the grid they are off the radar.

These are the people that will use both capitalism and socialism to accomplish their goals of global domination. They play both sides of every conflict because they create the conflicts themselves through their massive network of media. Media is the mighty oracle of our world that tells people what to think, how to act socially, how to be patriotic and have a nationalistic fervor, they tell you what to eat, how to dress, what it means to be a man or a woman; basically they control the vast majority of people and brainwash them on a daily basis.

You are completely a pawn of this game by thinking that this GW scam is socialists trying to destroy capitalism. That is the side show to keep you from seeing the man behind the curtain.

There Is No Man Made Global Warming You Idiots.
During the same span of years in which earths tempeture rose one degree so did Mars so did the major moons of jupitor so did the moons of saturn .Its the SUN.Global Warmning is a political tool a effort to destroy capitalism and enslave the world.Wake up tell me why Mars got hotter at the same rate as the Earth.

A people should not fear their government, the government should fear its people.

If they fail, it's up to us to take the reins. And right now, they're failing. So destroy your cars, those denizens of dinosaur-draught-drinkers that pump their puke into the air every day. Change your power to solar, DIY more, stop buying stupid shit. Yell at your politicians and know your fucking facts. Get shit done.

Brb, saving planet.

Errrr did any one take a look outside their window recently? Im sure Genforgore has her heater turned off...

JanforGore, ou are the person bringing Al Gore into this. Al Gore does not show what scientists say. He has 9 scientific errors in his "Henny Penny" film. That is about 1 lie every 10 minuets. There is snow on top of Mount Kilimanjaro. The problem with the scientists is that there results always have the same scientific result: "I have to give up my money and freedom." Well I say "NO WAY!" There is no such thing as "Unquestionable Science." The right thing to do is look at the World the way it really is, not the way Communists and Socialist want us to look at the World the way they think it ought to be. Too many people have died because if this. NO MORE! NO MORE!

SCIENTISTS showed Mount Kilamanjaro. Al Gore only showed what SCIENTISTS had already shown us. Another one who has to keep bringing Al Gore's name into this. And I think Dr. Vandana Shiva and others who actually live in India know more about what is going on in India than you do. Don't even bother to respond to me about this again. I am losing patience with talking to people here who simply illustrate so aptly why other countries see us as ignorant and complacent people.

JanforGore The video is just like when Al Gore showed the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro melted away. The snow on Mount Kilimanjaro has been presented that humans have melted the snow and it will never return. The snow has returned to the mountain, it will melt again and the snow will return again. There is plenty of food in India as well.

A Bunch of rich guys being ignorant greedy (*EDITED*)? No way....

The Earth's temperature has not been trending down globally. Another one who states things without proof. That's because they know you can refute it. And again, this is not only about climate change but about decreasing the toxic gases that also contribute to disease and pollution and are also having a very negative effect on other ecosystems you obviously don't care about because you can't connect the dots. But I suppose you think pollution isn't manmade either.

To The Swan:

Oh, I agree hence my title. I didn't expect them to lead, especially since they are hoping the Arctic melts to rape its resources. They are looking to profit bigtime from water scarcity, land degradation, food shortages, etc. It is the stuff the war machine thrives on. Which is why I laugh at deniers who actually want these things to fail... they actually are on their side. And when you look at this realistically it is our fault as well for continuing to put so much faith in the very people who have helped bring this planet to the precipice it is on. If anything I hope Copenhagen is a lesson to those who keep looking to them for answers and about where the real change lies: WITH US. You can't expect a politican to take a moral stance and be part of any closed door deals. I certainly have no illusions about that.

I am not sure what was supposed to be accomplished? The temperature of the Earth has been cooling over the last 10 years. Carbon emissions have been going up and the Earth's temperature has been going down. This was a scheme to redistribute wealth. It did not work. When the 10 wealthies Nations said that they would directly pay the poorer nations, instead of going through the UN, based on results, the negotiator for the poorer developing Nations walked out of the talks. This Climate-Gate story has been told before. "Henny Penny" ran around screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" And we know that Henny Penny and all the other stupid animals listening to and believing this crazy, screaming chicken were lured into their doom. This children's story serves a valuable lesson today. If you listen to some crazy nut screaming that the sky is falling or something like that, you will only suffer the worst results. The Earth is in great shape. I looked myself, everything is OK! : ) The Polar Bears are fine, the North Pole is fine and the South Pole is fine.

there just trying to bring up attention wherever they can. copenhagen is 5,000 times better than america's imperialist life style and the leaders aren't any worse. plus there's no need to continuelly talk about climate control when the government clearly denies and neglects powerful resources that are indeed within our reach. electric cars, better travel and highway safety ways which are quicker and are not bad for the environment.. as well as other things which promote free energy. why the fuck is al gore mr. world climate man.. he's pathetic i hate the media and i hate everything they haveto say or idea on anything. we can actually change things for the better, but no political or governmental controlled people are going to do anything. we'll die before the planet is even 10% on it's way to destruction.

good on 'em i say.
now to more important issues.

the climate has been changing on this planet since it was created. i don't know about everyone else but i don't think its going to stop because some silly little civilization of humans asks it to.

Politicians, I'm not sorry to say, are not there to solve problems. They can't. The worlds problems aren't political, so it is forbearing to approach them politically. These problem are technical and we have the technology to solve them. Politics is holding us back by creating the illusion that "sustainable living" and climate change go hand in hand, further hindering any real progress.

Cry me a river.