Submission does not imply inferiority. In submitting to the authority of, say, a police officer, I am in no wise considered a second-class citizen. We simply have different assigned roles, just as men and women have different assigned roles (assigned by God or biology, take your pick).

This has been obvious to people of every place and age except the modern industrialized West, where the market economy dictates societal norms. When modern capitalism crumbles, we will find that our 'enlightened' values were really just an historical anomaly, and we will resume the traditional modes of living that have accompanied non-industrial societies for millenia.

........also,......the original sin was not all that original.

A cult to abandon.

If giving birth is considered a sin on womanhood then why is abortion considered one also? One would think that every time you give birth you are committing a sin than it is only to logical to say abortion is removing the sin.

That is why I have never understood why , after reading the bible a few times , any female would willingly , without coercion be part of the 3 religions of Abraham . There was nothing there for me ... as a female . Nothing but hurt .

No need to say anything else after common_sense_please.. said this...

"The idiot obviously forgot that males also "come into being" in EXACTLY the same way--and that without a woman to give birth to them or their children--ALL men would cease to exist."

“Consider that the most lovely woman has come into being from a foul-smelling drop of semen; then consider her midpoint, how she is a container of filth; and after that consider her end, when she will be food for worms.”

The idiot obviously forgot that males also "come into being" in EXACTLY the same way--and that without a woman to give birth to them or their children--ALL men would cease to exist.

Oh and you gotta love the use of adjectives--notice the woman is lovely--but the man's semen is foul smelling and thus the woman becomes a container for his filth.

That and I have to say --Gee dude--no you don't have any mommy issues :P

the ignorance hurts! what injustices...

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Long before Muhammad, St. Ambrose forbade women to teach in church and John Chrysostom suggested that women be veiled in public. One early Christian philosopher after another (quite a few of them saints, such as St. Jerome) emphasized the fact that woman’s only purpose on earth, indeed her only route to salvation, was to provide her husband with children. For anything else that was necessary, for work or companionship, advice or entertainment, he would sensibly and naturally choose another man. In St. Augustine’s essay “On Marriage and Concupiscence,” the author of Confessions sounds remarkably like the Southern Baptist Convention. “Nor can it be doubted that it is more consonant with the order of nature that men should bear rule over women, than women over men. It is with this principle in view that the apostle says, ‘The head of the woman is the man,’ and ‘Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands.’”

The Church Fathers devoted considerable energy to debating the question of whether sex with a beautiful woman was more or less sinful than sex with an ugly one, as well as the subject of whether or not Adam and Eve had intercourse in Paradise before the fall of man. By contrast, there was little disagreement about whose fault that was. Whom would the serpent choose to tempt—the man who had named the animals or his foolish wife? Poor Eve: one bite of fruit, and centuries of blame for every small or severe pain that measures our distance from Eden.

Ranke-Heinemann tracks much of this back to the body-hating, pleasure-despising strain introduced into the early church by the Essenes and Gnostics. Later, the early and medieval saints and theologians would show little interest in concealing their horror of sex and the body. According to one thought often attributed to Thomas Aquinas, any variation on the so-called missionary position was as sinful as having intercourse with one’s own mother.

The debate over sex with the beautiful versus sex with the ugly had its twisted roots in the belief that there was an almost mathematical ratio between pleasure and sin. The greater the pleasure, the worse the evil. Apparently, too, there also was considerable worry about ejaculation as something that drains and weakens the male, a dangerous process in general and particularly in the presence of the predatory woman who, unlike her mate, doesn’t lose in sex a life-sustaining fluid. The rabbinic admonition to think of a woman as “a pitcher of filth with its mouth full of blood” was echoed in the work of the twelfth-century theologian Petrus Cantor. “Consider that the most lovely woman has come into being from a foul-smelling drop of semen; then consider her midpoint, how she is a container of filth; and after that consider her end, when she will be food for worms.”