Progressives to Senate: Kill the Bill
source: http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/killthisbill?source=email&subsource=122109
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1. Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations -- whether you want to or not (#)
2. If you refuse to buy the insurance, you'll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS (#)
3. After being forced to pay thousands in premiums for junk insurance, you can still be on the hook for up to $11,900 a year in out-of-pocket medical expenses (#)
4. Massive restriction on a woman's right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court (#)
5. Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-pays (#)
6. Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won't see any benefits -- like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions -- until 2014 when the program begins (#)
7. Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others (#)
8. Grants monopolies to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market (#)
9. No reimportation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years (#)
10. The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1000 a year -- meaning in 10 years, you family's insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now (#)
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FallenMorgan
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Congress is so out of touch with the American people. They've become like parents deciding what's "best" for us.
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FallenMorgan
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PressCore
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"A problem can never be resolved by the same level of awareness that created it" Albert Einstein. It was the world BIG OIL MONOPOLY who invaded our agriculture with their spin off petrol Monopolies of Big Corporate Farming, Big GMOs, and Big Pharma and caused the "health care crisis" by causing people to develop degenerative diseases unknown before the 20th century when organic farming was still widely practiced. Big Oil and its spinoffs have been buying both major parties' erected reps for the past 100 years to subsidize the causes of their health care epidemic problem to set people up to exploit them further... Now those same Monopolists want to combine with Big Insurance to "legalize" their Monopoly via their bought dogs on Capitol Bill. Well guess what ? Their phony idea of health care reform CAN'T happen. And any idea that it could is the pipe dream of mindless wishful fools who believe in political fairy tales. And by the way, the definition of Monopoly was also established long, long before these Capitol Bill idiots came along and recently, laughingly, pretentiously claimed they could "redefine the Insurance industry as a Monopoly". That's viciously deceitful. They can't define shit anymore than a ventriloquist's dummy can cut the strings puppeteering it, to make it appear as if it had a mind and voice not being controlled by it's puppetmaster. CORPORATIONS OWN THEM. CAPITOL BILL IS THEIR PROPERTY. If you don't want to be the property of Corporate Party Monopoly puppet masters, wake up and stand up for your rights, and sign the petition. Capital Bill doesn't own the 1st Amendment either, or those seats they only temporarily occupy, which can be remedied too. A true adult Westerner would never ask the Gummint to do for him what he can do for himself. You want true health care reform, and not Gummint Slavery ? Then eat an apple, and think for yourself. Those stuffed shirt suits on Capitol Bill are with the parasites who ARE the health care problem. And it doesn't take a genius to understand the simplicity of Einsteins common sense: That they can't solve the problem they themselves have created. And you're only fooling yourself to believe they can. They can't and they won't. Their one party system that is the Corporate Party system in Washington,D.C.is no different in it's Monopoly control over the USA than the Communist Part was over the USSR. Funny that you don't hear much from them anymore isn't it ? They were replaced by the BIG OIL Mafia. Get the point ?
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PressCore
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artemis6
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We are being robbed ! Revolt sounds good to me .
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artemis6
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WhiteNoise
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Uncle Sam,
the GOP,
petro-creationists
& corpo-supremacists
are having their way with America...
and Lady Liberty !How do they do it ?
BIG HAT, NO CATTLE
http://current.com/items/91739901_big-hat-no-cattle.htm - 2 years ago
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WhiteNoise
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futuregen
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http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x23532704/Caterpillar-drug-plan-creates-concerns
This is an example of how corporations work together and exclude the little guy (or whoever they want to exclude). I tried to start an independent P.T. private practice here in Peoria but when I called United Healthcare, they said they already had enough providers and wouldn't let me in. The fact that Peoria just won the award for start up businesses is a joke. (The joke is on me). Once gain, if you are a Republican, your business has a chance, but if you are a Green, forget it.
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futuregen
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futuregen
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http://www.superseventies.com/greening.html
The Greening of America by Charles A. Reich
What is the nature of the present American crisis?.........the present crisis is an organic one...it arises out of the basic premises by which we live and that no mere reform can touch it.1.Disorder, corruption, hypocrisy, war.
…..there is lawlessness and corruption in all the major institutions of our society – matched by
an indifference to responsibility and consequences, and a pervasive hypocrisy that refuses to
acknowledge the facts that are everywhere visible.2.Poverty, distorted priorities, and law-making by private power.
…...there is a superabundance of some goods, services, and activities such as defense manufacture, while other needs, such as education and medical care, are at a starvation level for many. These closely related kinds of inequality are not the accidents of a free economy, they are intentionally and rigidly built into the laws of our society by those with powerful influence; an example is the tax structure which subsidizes private wealth and production of luxuries and weapons at the direct expense of impoverished people and impoverished services. The nation has a planned economy and the planning is done by the excise of private power without concern for the general good.3.Uncontrolled technology and the destruction of environment.
...if undirected... (technology and production) pulverize everything in their path: the landscape,
the natural environment, history and tradition, the amenities and civilities, the privacy and
spaciousness of life, beauty, and the fragile, slow-growing social structures which bind us
together. Organization and bureaucracy...increasingly dictate how we should live our lives...4.Decline of democracy and liberty; powerlessness.
((This was written in 1970: if this had been written today, it would say the Constitution and Bill
of Rights have been eliminated.))The Constitution and Bill of Rights have been weakened....power captured by
corporations...decisions made by experts safely insulated from the feelings of
people...corporate power is free to ignore both the stockholders and consumers...liberty has
eroded...Today both dissent and efforts at change are dealt with by repression. The
pervasiveness of police, security men, the military... show the changed character of American
liberty.5.The artificiality of work and culture.
...For most Americans, work is mindless, exhausting, boring, servile, and hateful, something to be endured while “life” is confined to “time off”...activities fabricated by others and forced upon us.6.Absence of community.
….Protocol, competition,, hostility, and fear have replaced the warmth of the circle of affection
which might sustain man against a hostile universe.7.Loss of self.
….an individual is systematically stripped of his imagination, his creativity, his heritage, his
dreams, and his personal uniqueness...people virtually become their professions, roles, or
occupations, and are henceforth strangers to themselves. - 2 years ago
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futuregen
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RaceBannon
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futuregen:
future I'd recommend your comment if I could. I guess I'm not cool enough yet : /
This is Orwellien, ironically orwell was worried about communism doing this to people. Truth is this is what class warfare, private ownership and competition has done to humanity. The bad news: is unless we change things we're screwed into a scary future, the sorta good news: if we all die from the pollution eventually the rulers die too, the hopeful optimistic, yes we can hope for a better future pr slogan news: robotics can free us from labor and allow us to focus on our minds and then thats when the human will become the truly free godlike being he's been seeking over the centuries.
sorry being off the topic
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RaceBannon
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unimatrix0
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Patience grasshoppers.
The bill has not even gone to conference yet. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. A half of loaf is better than nothing.
Right now the bill is more insurance reform than health care reform, but it is a start. This reform will help many people.
This bill is a start. It is a foundation upon which to build future reform.
To kill the bill would be immoral and political suicide for Democrats.
Keep hope alive.
Yes we can.
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unimatrix0
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noxidereus
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unimatrix0:
I backed the Obama and the Dems strongly up until recently.The Dems have already committed political suicide in my eyes when they failed to really fight for a good bill. I have no loyalty to any party, and since they have shown that they too are beholden to the insurance companies and more worried about politics than actual reform, they can pretty much just go to straight to political hell.
It's half a loaf of shit is what it is.
The Dems deserve to take a huge hit politically, and the Republicans do so even more. Neither party is really representing us at all. Perhaps if the Dems take a huge hit, next time they'll do their fucking jobs and represent the people instead of corporations. As for right now I'm thinking both parties need to be voted out of existence.
Democracy in America has officially died. You take an undereducated, placated, zombie, apathetic, consumer populace and show them a bunch of flashy images and dudes in suits lying through their teeth. You add that to the fear-mongering and misrepresentation of reality in the media... you can't add that all up and call it democracy. It's dead, well, more like in a coma. Unless people wake up and start voting intelligently, it will stay that way and eventually die. The people will go to sleep one night and wake up in a police state... until the next revolution.
The more and more I think about the matrix, the more I think it reflects real life. All most people see is the facade presented to them. This facade facilitates complacency and people serve the roles their masters intended them to serve - to feed the machine. This setup doesn't sit quite right with some people, such as you unimatrix, and I. Eventually it gets so bad that there is a revolution. After time, it corrupts again and the cycle repeats over and over and over, endlessly.
Accepting this bill as if it were something good is an endorsement of the status quo. The status quo being that the masses are completely and utterly manipulated by those in power and that corporations are pretty much running this country.
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noxidereus
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treewolf39
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unimatrix0:
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Really? What good? For profit insurance will never be the good. How about the 2% we might save on prescription drugs? Again I ask, "What is the punishment for the insurance company that does not comply?"
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treewolf39
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PressCore
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unimatrix0:
"half a loaf is better than nothing" Yeah, if it's a loaf of bread,that you have a choice in eating, not a shit sandwich rammed down your throat. It took them 83 years to reform the
IRS, and all of that will go down the toilet in the first day after if this monstrosity is ever
granted the full force and effect of law. Get real. "political suicide for the Democrats" ?
WHAT DEMOCRATS !!!??? They are the Corporate Party talking, wearing the costume of a jackass. The "Democrats" you're referring to were DOA on the first day after they gave up representing the People, and began to take bribes from the Corporations to compete with the Republicans taking bribes with the Corporations. You must be referring to the Democrats and Republicans of 1860, before the rise of Corporations in the USA, not 2009. Wake up !!! This pig circus paraded around as "health care reform" is another
colossal Fraud perpetrated on the American public under the pretense of health care reform. They should scrap it, and make a resolution to subsidize the State's versions of health care reform so that the People closer to home have control over what language
exists in their own Statutes. I guarantee you noone who votes for this pig circus monstrosity, as it exists now, with the "individual mandate" in it, will ever be elected again. They should have ther heads examined, and be tarred, feathered, and run out of Washington, D.C. on a railroad tie for even thinking about voting for this pig circus piece of shit they're too irresponsible & inconscionable to bother with reading. After all, why should THEY read it ? The Corporate Party whose asses they kiss, and who controll these stuffed shirt suits have already read it while they were writing it for them. Wake up. We're not all mindless drones who don't care if we're being sold into Slavery. THEY DON'T OWN US, GOD DAMN IT !!! WE'RE NOT THEIR PROPERTY !!! Has it sunk in yet that noone
who is a free citizen can be Coerced to spend their money on something they don't want ?
And that reason is because Slaves are property which can't own other property. Go back to the Dred Scott decision before Slavery was abolished, and read their reasoning. It might finaly open your eyes from your slumber. - 2 years ago
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PressCore
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unimatrix0
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unimatrix0:
Presscore,
You insult those who were, or are, truly slaves with your childish rant.
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unimatrix0
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PressCore
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unimatrix0:
"childish rant" ?. I think you'd do a lot better by consulting Webster's Dictionary than by making a cheap shot like that. I was making an adult objection in a very incensed way. Why ? Only you can answer that question, one who fancy's themselves after a hive mind. Hive minds are for insect drones because they're not human. I've often wondered what fascination you have with lower forms of life. Granted, it's none of my business, but your tone seems equivocal to me. I honestly can't tell if you're being facetiously sarcastic or realy antihuman. Humans are born free, you know. It's inhuman to be a slave. It's one of those inalienable God given rights. It's OK if you don't believe God exists. But it's a betrayal of humanity to believe in Slavery of other humans. Human slave is an oxymoron. You can't be human and be a slave. Slavery is the worst of all the crimes that exist against Liberty. Grow up. I'm 60 years old, and have survived 2 Attempted Murders/1st degree Felony Assaults. Children can't manage that.
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PressCore
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unimatrix0
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unimatrix0:
another childish rant press core
"adult objection in a very incensed way" = childish rant
but changing the subject does not excuse your poor behavior. You failed to apologize to those who are, or have been, slaves for real.
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unimatrix0
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PressCore
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unimatrix0:
Unimatrix 0, you are full of shit. I am a 4.0 law student grad, and have earned a degree in Psychology . I know the legal definition of Slavery. From Webster's dictionary, from our New York Statute, from the U.S. Statute, and from the common law. I have been the victim of Slavery myself. Despite your arrested development as a child, and your infantile projection of yourself which you've cheaply shot at me, you are still an annoying fool. I've read your attacks on others. You have the same bad rep as Jammer does. So stop your unwanted, annoying cyber harassment. Your immaturity speaks for itself whern you twist others' words around to continue your rant. Ranting is what child minds like you do. This
forum was not intended for cyber harassers to beat others over the head with. As for apologizing, you're the sorriest one I've had the disgust to be bothered by in a while. If you want to see a child look in your mirror. - 2 years ago
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unimatrix0:
Another childish rant from PressCore. Your claim to have once been a slave is ludicrous, and without credibility.
Check into some anger management little buddy. You are off the hook, and your remarks only serve to humiliate yourself.
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unimatrix0
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PressCore
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unimatrix0:
Another childish rant from the immature, annoying, infantile bug who calls herself Unimatrix 0. Have you ever seen a child who obsessively persists in annoying an adult to get attention ? That's her. She can't objectively, rationaly refute facts so she resorts to
mala fide, ad hominem personal attacks. That's the mark of an insecure child who identifies so closely with a personal position, she regards it as an attack on herself, and reacts defensively. Projection is a psychological personality defense mechanism. More evidence of her childishness: Her lame attitude is if you can't attack the message you attack the messenger. Low, and cheap. Beyond that she's proven herself to be a liar. She pretends to know the facts of a situation she hasn't witnessed, and therefore the merits of how the law applies to the facts, without any knowledge of the law either. And worse, she pretends to judge facts she can't possibly know based on her opinions, which themselves are based on, you guessed it, 0. Check into your ass and pull your head out of it bug child. Your opinion is your asshole. That's all you've got, and that's all you are strungatz. - 2 years ago
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PressCore
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WhiteNoise
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"Look what the Republican Party stands for: opposition to American working men and women, the channeling of trillions of dollars to the richest Americans, hatred of gays, hatred of immigrants, continued smoldering racism, opposition to desperately needed health care reforms, opposition to all environmental protections, spitting hatred for science, hatred for public schools, hatred of all those who are not fundamentalist Christians, support for torture, support for rendition, and support for the fantastically corrupt Bush-Cheney regime. The conservative cancer is the perpetuation of all the worst features of American life--intolerance, fear, prejudice, and tribalism."
SINCE ANYTHING OUTSIDE THIS OBSCURANTIST NARRATIVE SEEMS LIKE BLESSED RELIEF; WE WILINGLY COMPLY TO THE BEST OF THE WORST ;)
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WhiteNoise
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WhiteNoise
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101 OF THE OPERATION...
PRIVATIZE THE PROFITS
SOCIALIZE THE COSTIT WORKED WITH WALL STREET, WORKS FINE WITH WARS & THEY WILL 'RHAM' IT (PUN INTENDED ;) UP OUR COLLECTIVE POOP CHUTE WITH HEALTHCARE DEFORM...
It is as if seeing how much atomized & apatic the rabble has become the powers that be a checking up to what point they can piss on the hopes of the populace before uprising ignites so they can repress da fuck out of it & blame the lefties for the abuse ;)
It is as if …
“Something is broken,” Nader said. “We are not at the Bangladesh level in terms of passivity, but we are getting there. No one sees anything changing. There is no new political party to give people a choice. The progressive forces have no hammer. When they abandoned our campaign, they told the Democrats we have nowhere to go and will take whatever you give us. The Democrats are under no heat in the electoral arena from the left.
“There comes a point when the public imbibes the ultimatum of the plutocracy,”Nader said when asked about public apathy. “They have bought into the belief that if it protests, it will be brutalized by the police. If they have Muslim names, they will be subjected to Patriot Act treatment. This has scared the hell out of the underclass. They will be called terrorists.
“This is the third television generation,” Nader said. “They have grown up watching screens. They have not gone to rallies. Those are history now. They hear their parents and grandparents talk about marches and rallies. They have little toys and gizmos that they hold in their hands. They have no idea of any public protest or activity. It is a tapestry of passivity.
“They have been broken,” Nader said of the working class. “How many times have their employers threatened them with going abroad? How many times have they threatened the workers with outsourcing? The polls on job insecurity are record-high by those who have employment. And the liberal intelligentsia have failed them. They [the intellectuals] have bought into carping and making lecture fees as the senior fellow at the institute of so-and-so. Look at the top 50 intelligentsia—not one of them supported our campaign, not one of them has urged for street action and marches.”
Washington has become Versailles. We are ruled, entertained and informed by courtiers. The popular media are courtiers. The Democrats, like the Republicans, are courtiers. Our pundits and experts are courtiers. We are captivated by the hollow stagecraft of political theater as we are ruthlessly stripped of power. It is smoke and mirrors, tricks and con games. We are being had. - Chris Hedges
http://www.truthdig.com/report/category/hedges/& AGAIN & AGAIN...
Just curious...
With all the money going out there and their lobby honing their bone like crazy on top of Joe's shenanigans : I have but a question...
If UNIVERSAL care is good enough for Israel, why is it the shit for Americans ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_IsraelHealth care in Israel is both universal and compulsory, and is administered by a small number of organizations with funding from the government. All Israeli citizens are entitled to the same Uniform Benefits Package, regardless of which organization they are a member of, and treatment under this package is funded for all citizens regardless of their financial means.
Is this a fair question or am I am being somehow antisemitic ;)
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WhiteNoise
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WhiteNoise:
Obama on Drugs: 98% Cheney?
http://www.gregpalast.com/obama-on-drugs-98-cheney/I searched all over the newspapers and TV transcripts and no one asked the President what is probably the most important question of what passes for debate on the issue of health care reform: $80 billion of WHAT?
Hey, in my neighborhood, people think $80 billion is a lot of money. But is it?
I checked out the government's health stats (at HHS.gov), put fresh batteries in my calculator and toted up US spending on prescription drugs projected by the government for the next ten years. It added up to $3.6 trillion.
In other words, Obama's big deal with Big Pharma saves $80 billion out of a total $3.6 trillion. That's 2%.
Hey thanks, Barack! You really stuck it to the big boys. You saved America from these drug lords robbing us blind. Two percent. Cool!
Nader came out swigging too ;)
“Now Make Me Do It “
Never much of a fighter against abusive corporate power, Barack Obama is making it increasingly clear that right from his start as President, he wanted health insurance reform that received the approval of the giant drug and health insurance industries.
The whole secret process is seedy and demonstrates cruel disregard for the millions of American who, whether in dire need of medical services or not, voted in “change we can believe in.”
“Make me do it” was the advice of Franklin Delano Roosevelt to reformers when faced with legislation he desired but did not have the votes for in Congress.
The Congressional switchboard is 202-224-3121. The full Medicare, single payer bill (backed by nearly ninety legislators) is H.R. 676. The go-to citizen group for your sustained engagement is singlepayeraction.org.
The rest is up to you, the majority, who want to put the people first.
http://nader.org/index.php?/archives/2134-Now-Make-Me-Do-It.html“You Do Not Cut Deals with the System that Has to Be Replaced”
Ralph Nader on Secret White House Agreements with the Drug Industry
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/14/you_dont_cut_deals_with_theBusinessWeek: “The Health Insurers Have Already Won”
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/17/business_week_the_health_insurers_have - 2 years ago
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WhiteNoise
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noxidereus
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Kill the bill. It isn't health reform. It's another tool for our corporate overlords to use us as cash cows, to keep us unthinking consumer whores without rights. This is garbage! It's time to start over, from the start, we need to vote out the people representing us right now, because they aren't representing us. They represent their own political agenda, and because corporations contribute to their campaigns, they are the ones pulling at the politicians' strings. I don't give two fucks about what will happen to Democratic seats in 2010 and 2012. I don't care at all about their political campaigns. That shouldn't even be a factor at all in deciding what to do about health reform.
Sometimes I think it's like we are in the Matrix, where those in power put on a show for us that we accept as reality, meanwhile they are feeding off us for their power/money. We are farmed like a resource. We serve in the military, go to our jobs, we pay taxes, consume products, etc, but it is the corporate agenda being served, not the people's. I'm not really sure we can call ourselves a democracy any more. Whoever pays off the politicians gets their way.
The Democrats want to pass something that is health care reform only in name and they expect to gain political points for doing this? That's bullshit. Kill this bill, it is an insult to the American populace. We have no voice, for nobody really represents us.
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noxidereus
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futuregen
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"This bill is designed to transfer trillions of taxpayer dollars to the insurance companies' bottom lines. We have never done anything like this before. We have never mandated that the public pay 8% of their income to a private company. That is obscene. The reason we supported a public option was because we thought that Americans should have the choice to not pay to private companies..........It is wrong for people to say that this is some kind of political victory from the progressive or the conservative side. This is a victory for Aetna, it is not a victory for Americans."
___________________________________________________________________I have to agree with her and add the pharmaceutical companies also. The corruption behind this bill reeks. Kill the bill. Obama screwed the American people again in favor of corporations.
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futuregen
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futuregen:
Man, did that woman ever understate her case. Immoral is God knows what in this day and age. But what the "individual mandate" is is nothing less than Coercion to accomplish Slavery under the color of Constitutional authority. Nowhere in the Constitution can it be construed that the Legislative and Executive branches have this power on either the Federal or State level. We're actualy witnessing an UnAmerican activity being proposed to be legislated into Statute, that must be struck down by the Federal Court, or repealed. To propose that all people be Coerced to buy health care insurance whether they want it or not, whether they can afford it or not is tantamount to Communism. Communism seeks to have a Monopoly power to dominate so absolutely that noone can escape. This bill isn't a just and Constitutional law, it's the yoke of tryany and patently UnAmerican like the Patriot Act.
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These idiot shits on Capitol Bill lamely proclaim they're representing us, and that they're doing us for our own good !!! What a corrupt, rotten to the core cluster fuck
of bought dogs they realy are !!! I don't support terrorism, but if I did, I'd claim the only real "health care reform" was going on a sniper mission to waste these Corporate Party clerks who'd vote this UnConstitutiional Monopoly in. Better to flush the Capitol Bill turncoats down the toilet than the USA and the People. Isn't it obvious they've turned their backs on "all authoity the Government has derives solely from the consent of the people to be governed " Abraham Lincoln. The American people don't want this piece of shit Corporate Monopoly monstrosity rammed down their throats !!! Even a gang of high school kids on crack cocaine could come up with a less worse bag of shit than this thoroughly crooked, corrupted piece of crap. This isn't what we pay those worthless stuffed shirt suits to do for us, now is it ? THIS SHIT BILL IS THE BIGGEST DISGRACE I CAN EVER REMEMBER SEEING PARADED AROUND IN THE LIGHT OF DAY. It's adamantly opposed to all that which the veterans who sacrificed their lives for our Liberty during WW2 died for. As tactless as it must (superficialy) sound to say this, because you know they're too ignorant to repeal such a monstrosity as this, they should be shot for voting this up. Note I didn't say with what. - 2 years ago
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PressCore
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Varex_Sythe
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I think its partially because some previous United States leaders have tried to beat it into the heads of their loyal followers that socialized medicine is an evil thing that will lead to this nations ruin.
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Varex_Sythe
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treewolf39
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Why are people so afraid of copying another country's health care system?
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treewolf39
