Mexico City lawmakers approve gay marriage

It is sad that she does not know how to read, but I'll let that pass when I announce she's wrong.

I think America should follow China in their human rights ways. Also follow Australia in their need to limit the internet use. Russia in banning groups that the government doesn't like. France in keeping illegals they find a danger to the UK in tents. There's a lot of great things other countries do that America Should follow.

Good point @J_Jammer. I must say that I was referring to the lack of gay marriage in the United States and not China's human rights laws or N. Korea's treatment of its people, etc. Yes, the US is ahead when it comes to many issues and I am grateful to have such freedom, but I do not have the freedom to marry or even be viewed as a family with the person that I love... nor does my mother, or my aunts, or close friends, etc. And so for this the US is lagging. But then again, why should marriage or an institution define ones feelings towards and life with another person?

You are within reason to think that about America. But I'm sick of people acting like they live in the slums when they live in America. America is not the best place to live (and neither is Europe....don't get me started) but that doesn't mean that it should be bashed constantly.

I appreciate that I live in America. I wouldn't slam it as if it's the worst place to live. It's certainly better than Mexico. And if you don't think so....maybe you should ask those that keep coming over here from there.

jubal, you said MOST churches- I'd agree with you there 100%. I think of how much religion has screwed up everything. Yet, it's also been a force for good. Regarding the Church, ("harlot of Babylon? You sound protestant!) It's been around since 33 AD, so I don't think it's going anywhere- the USA will collapse like the Roman Empire, but the Church will still be there.

UncleCharlie, I am not a Protestant, I am a Gnostic and former JW and Catholic...With that said....I am not a religious person anymore, however I do consider myself to be a spiritual person.

I would agree that Religion has been a force for good; in the past. But today, churches are non-profit corporations that vacuum up the cash left after the government and the corporations are done sucking up your earnings. Religion, Multinational Corporations and Governments have, in my estimation, become the true axis of evil in the world.

Haha. Don't make white christians out to be the devil. You know what they do to homosexuals in the muslim world? I don't think I've ever heard a story of two homosexuals getting married in a mosque.

We dont' live in the Muslim world, this is the Judeo Christian world, which is a tad bit better. We have the right to speak up and demand our freedom, liberty and right to pursue our happiness. Merry Fn Xmas to you, too.

You're quite right, at least geographically. I'd tend to think of it more as Latin America, in terms of culture. Either way, it's part of Earth, and the people there are really opening up more and more to human rights.

To the extent that GOVERNMENT gives rights on the basis of marriage, marriage is under the realm of government, and not religion. There's nothing in any of these laws that tells religious denominations what to accept as marriage. Nor is there anything in any of this legislation that is dictated by the principles of a religious denomination.

The Civil War did not bring about equal rights. If anything it just brought the end to slavery among other things. Equal rights didn't start until 1960's. But aside from that it is a valid point. What are people willing to risk for equality?

Slavery still exists here in the "good ol' U.S.A."

wow

could that be more racist?

I cried when I first read the news, then submitted it to Current, and I'm still feeling so much joy.

I bet that some people who oppose gay marriage are crying too.

It's best to bash the US in hopes that'll change it. Apparently those who do that a bullies at heart and they believe that doing so will bring about change. No wonder they voted for Obama.

yeah, let's "reference" the Bible,

Matthew 7:1-5
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

The "buy bull" also says eating shrimp and cutting your hair are an abomination. lol

the bible has nothing to do with any supreme being. unless you can prove it was not written by man.

It was written by men. Men wrote it because then when other men and women read it they could relate because it was someone like them...a human...that wrote it.

and he huffed and puffed and blew the house down... reference "the three little pigs". see i can quote books and fairytales too

I'd argue, but you don't have an argument.

The bible also mentions slavery, guess we kinda screwed up on letting them all go like that. Bigotry in the guise of religious doctrine is still bigotry and should be no more tolerated than neo-nazism. On the other side, I understand that Iran has a very nice religions based democracy and, according to their leader, no gays what so ever! Sounds like fun!

On the question of the bible in regards to Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, the bible also mentions slavery, guess we kinda screwed up on letting them all go like that. Bigotry in the guise of religious doctrine is still bigotry and should be no more tolerated than neo-nazism. On the other side, I understand that Iran has a very nice religions based democracy and, according to their leader, no gays what so ever! Sounds like fun!

The bible has no place in government. Separation of Church and State. Believe whatever you want to believe, but don't you dare try to push it on me.

Ohoho, what a conclusion. I'm sure your parents are bursting with pride of their little boy, he managed to make a reference to ""the bible" [sic, mutherfucker, lrn2grammar]

I'm also against gay marriage. Not because of religion but because I want to pass on my genes and procreate. Marriage exists simply to promote the creation of children and life. Marriage is and always will be between a man and woman regardless of what anyone says. Love whoever you want but don't think that marriage is all of the sudden an idea that can be redefined.

mikeysfake1 --

You wrote: "Marriage exists simply to promote the creation of children and life."

I'm just not getting it. I always, ALWAYS wanted to have a child, but I never wanted to be a married person. So instead, I purposefully had a child on my own -- with two decades of planning ahead.

So without benefit of marriage, which you state exists simply to promote the creation of children and life... I created a child (with the help of a friend) and, therefore, a new life [that part seems redundant].

Yes,... but is it actually progress if it takes so long?!!?

Is it actually progress at all? No proof that it is.

Jammer, while I appreciate the linguisticly philoshophical approach to the context of the word "progress", I have to tell you it's all a matter of definition.

I feel that some form of injustice has been rectified, thus a small step for a better or more just world has occured, thus progress happened. If you do not feel the same then fine, progress didn't happen acording to your definition, but that doesn't mean it didn't occure in the minds of others.

You know it really gets annoying when people are constantly argueing over there inability to fully understand one another. Im looking at the arguements you had in these and other threads and it doen't even look like the same conversation when you analyze the meaning or intent of the statements, as opposed to how the arguees are deciding to interpret it.

Misscomunication is still rampent, how drull.

Miscommunication happens because pride dances much better when it ignores the blunder it has caused. Progress is something that brings people together and benefits more than a single group. This benefits one group and totally ignores everyone else. It doesn't extend past homosexuals. It's specific and therefore not progress.

See, semantics. we have different definitions or ideas about what progress is, thus making it really pointless to really try and argue; unless of course your just looking to argue.

All that being said I will say, that a goal in prusuit of benifiting only one group can be benificial to the whole. This being possible, because if any person in a downcast or minority section of a society sees that some measure of of improvement has occured for another outcast section of society, then they would see some evidence that thier place in the society could improve. It is this basic idea, proof that things can get better, that is so beneficial to the whole, while the main goal only seems to serve some minority sector.

Further it is my sincer belief that it is this idea, proof of improvement in life for a sector of society, that the people posting on this story are responding to.

You have to show me how Gay Marriage improves anyone's life outside of Homosexuals. Everything about it's selfish. It isn't about getting equality. It is liken to a child who wants equal treatment like another child, but you can't do that, because it doesn't work that way. Who benefits other than homosexuals?

Jammer; I believe a way gay marriage can benefit others has already been explained. Why can't the fact that it benefits gay people be reason enough? Your argument makes you sound like a real jerk. Also, it makes no sense. Just state your real reason for being against gay marriage and be done with it, rather than dancing the semantic dance around the issue. I think there is a lot that you allow yourself to be ignorant of (root word = ignore).

I could careless what you have to say about me. You could say it again if it makes you feel better...but that doesn't answer my question. And no it has not been answered. Anything that benefits only one group is not a good idea. I have never said I was against Gay Marriage and I never will.

Jammer,

How did interracial marriage help those other than interracial couples? That's an easy answer, over time it helped us see that there was nothing wrong with it and helped bring the end of ignorance and racism. Now days it is the minority of people that believe interracial marriages are something to hate and fear. Hopefully the same will be able to be said about gay marriage in a few years. It's progress because it makes a society as a whole a more tolerant culture.

Just because it doesn't directly effect you doesn't mean there isn't progress, sounds like you're the one being selfish. Stop trying to be pretentious, you are clearly failing.

I didn't say anything about me. Inference only helps if you're right. Interracial marriage helped more than just black Americans. That law was mainly created because of them. The law changing not only helped them but other races to marry who they wanted.

Gay marriage doesn't do the same. It specifically only helps one group and that's it. When court cases come about the first amendment it helps if the group bringing about such doesn't limit their scope to just them, but allows it to expand. Again, how does it expand for more than just them?

You know what JJ, just think about it for a few days and I'll bet you'll figure out a way it benefits other people.

Ultimately if I believe I profit from a situation, the I do.
For some of us seeing other people being able to find happiness, brings us joy.
And there, it makes me and a lot of other people happier, thus improving our life, even though we are not gay.

This is not about substandard emotions. Facts are not emotions. Who does it help? When you only help yourself or your own group it's selfish. Laws are created to help everyone. Why would a law allowing gay marriage help anyone other than a homosexual? Don't time your emotions into this and you won't get hurt.

Oh and the beset way to debate is to understand where the other side is coming from by creating arguments for that side. I am not going to argue for Gay Marriage and help people fight a battle they should be well equip to fight themselves. I could debate for gay marriage simply, but people don't seem to have any idea who it helps.

Jammer, is there some reason that homosexuals shouldn't have the rights that everyone else enjoys? i'd really like to hear your rationale on why they don't deserve to be married.

I would really like to read someone answer my question.

But guess what...no one has. Therefore I will not be returning any favors....cause, well....there is none to return.

Until I get an answer of how homosexual being able to marry helps anyone but them I won't answer that one. Why should I answer someone else's question they just decided to ask?

Because it's so horrible to help people out if it doesn't benefit you, if gays are allowed to marry, you suddenly have billions of new weddings to plan and spend for, not to mention the subsequent divorces, if the divorce rate keeps up. So, you have an entire industry that gets a boost (which includes everything from the stores down to natural resources needed to supply the stores) along with divorce lawyers and probably other clerical jobs that get more work and more money. And, if gay couples are allowed to adopt, HEY LOOK: homeless, unwanted children have a better chance of being cared for, taken off the streets, given a home, you know, given a better life. Yeah. Gay marriage really only benefits gays. Seriously? If a guy is stabbed, lying on the side of the road, dying, he shouldn't get help because it doesn't benefit the majority?

Privatize marriage! Leave it to freedom! Get the government out of our lives!

There is enough divorce and marriages as is...so that's not a good point.

The adoption point isn't good either. People adopt, but they adopt from over seas or elsewhere. SO it's not like if you allow gay marriage that that would save children here.

Plus you'd have to ask a child if they'd want to have a gay couple watch them. I mean that's how people work on this site. Let the child decide what gender they act like. They also would get to pick who their parents are if they are to be adopted...and who says that any would want to have gay parents enough to make gay marriage viable via adoption numbers?

NOT AHEAD. That's one city.

Wow, Jammer, you REALLY have issues with anyone thinking that anything is ahead of the US. There are plenty of places, laws and attitudes that are WAY AHEAD of the US -- stop being such a fucking lemming and read something once in awhile. And by the way, coming from you "nice try" is just a playground taunt -- you have nothing to back up anything you say except you own opinion.

This coming from someone that didn't back up their entire post with any facts other than opinion. Nice Try is closer to fact than anything you've stated. Whether or not it's sarcasm or sincere doesn't really matter. And a lemming is false statement factually as well as context...cause in this thread you're the lemming.

And I do not think America is the best place to live. I also do not think it's behind as many people LOVE to say. If it were so behind they'd leave. But it's not behind because they stay. Why? Because unlike Mexico (where people leave by the droves to come here) they have the power to alter America, more so than any other country.

Jammer, drop the pride, America is a laughable place to live. Pride is the root of all things bad. I am fortunate to be living in a country like America versus a 3rd world poverty-starved-country. I am still not about to deny the fact that America is far from perfect and is behind in terms of certain moral dilemmas like gay marriage. Its all in fun, and if you cant laugh at yourself then spend a whole life in misery.

You mistaken my facts with pride.

America is not as terrible as people state and I will not sit here and read lies....not even if they come from you.

Gay Marriage isn't legal. Ohno....are they strung up and hanged like in Iraq? Tar and feathered like religious people were in the 1940's? Hit with water hoses like blacks? No. For being oppressed they live far better than most people in the entire world, even in Europe...like France where they put those who are Muslims in camps. Those that want to go to the UK. Russia where they banned people for not thinking as they do. Africa where they hunt those that are different cause they are magical. Mexico where they can't stop people from losing their head, being shot because of drugs, or leaving because people don't like to live there any more. Canada where you can't get elective surgery but until many months later (unlike here...for a while). Australia where they limit your downloads. China where they limit your speech and what you can see on the internet. Japan where they are being over burdened by the elderly via not enough money to keep Universal Health care afloat.

So marriage isn't legal....that doesn't make America worse. Please. Worse would mean that they were treated horribly and aside from not getting what they want, like spoiled children, they are not treated horribly.

BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! you really should do more research Jammer. you are great comic relief at times. not only is mexico city one of the largest cities in the western hemisphere, it's extremely Catholic! at least our Mexican compadres know how to keep Church and state separate.

Then it's not really what you state. Elections speak the truth of who has a voice, not what religion is present.

so your point is that religion has no part in how people vote?

Places change and some people say they are religious and they are nothing close. They just are use to saying it. And big cities are hardly ever more religious than smaller ones. You cannot accumulate that many people in one place and assume they are all the same religion. It's ridiculous.

And even if you did assume that based on what they said you cannot state that they are all the same degree in the religion.

This is why I have a problem with people blaming religion for certain actions of people. If someone is part of a religion for a split second that makes better news than saying they have no religion...so they use that in the story.

And as we all know CHANGE happens. You may have read they were religious....but apparently now they are not nearly as religious as you state.

And NO people cannot keep religion separate. That's like asking a Scientist to forgo the scientific method. Nice try. Those that say they can are not really religious to begin with. They are fakes.

and don't call me a fake. it's presumptuous and arrogant.

It's ignorant to think I said you were fake when I was speaking of something else. Nice try at being a victim. And NO the world is not more tolerant. Nice try again. If they were then France wouldn't have taxed religion because they didn't like that religion. And Germany wouldn't have a problem with Nazis. So don't BS me.

I really don't think the size of the city matters. It's a victory for every LGBT person everywhere. Its just one step closer, every little bit counts. The USA really needs to step back and take a look at the big picture.. We are here.. I think the thing that sucks the most is.. Even in America, you can feel like a non-American And that has to change.. So with that said i say 'Way to go Mexico City'.. good victory.. lets keep it up..

"And NO people cannot keep religion separate. That's like asking a Scientist to forgo the scientific method. Nice try. Those that say they can are not really religious to begin with. They are fakes."

you just called me a fake. i keep religion and politics seperate, jammer. and the thought of me feeling like your "victim" is laughable at best.