Community | December 22, 2009 | 45 comments

Iranian crowd stops execution and frees convicts

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8426683.stm

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The crowd overpowered security services and helped two men convicted of robbery to escape hanging in the province of Kerman, the Fars news agency reported.

The men were recaptured hours later, and justice department officials say they will be put to death on Wednesday.

Iran executes more people than anywhere else in the world except China, human rights groups say.
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  • Nephwrack
  • joy2yah
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      joy2yah  

    • As Rav Berg pointed out. Theft is one issue that The Creator made a direct reference to when he gave the moral rules- stealing is bad. If you think of it this way- everything belongs to its Creator- you have the illusion you are you are stealing from another person but what you really are doing is stealing from the Creator- if you fear the Creator and with that in mind who would dare to steal even one item! Perhaps each person in Iran is going through internal conflict and one day I agree they will free themselves of oppression. All people who are oppressed will rebel against the oppressor.

    • 2 years ago
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
    • joy2yah:

      Um, huh? Assuming there is a creator, if not I guess it's fair game.
      See my post above. Your children are starving. You steal a loaf of bread to keep them from dying. Sin?

    • 2 years ago
  • ploomis
  • chaos1
  • bombastinator
  • SleepDirt
  • bombastinator
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      bombastinator  
    • bombastinator:

      There are always some people who believe the government is too corrupt to do basic justice work, but it's usually limited to a few crack pots. This is a situation where the public at large forms a mob and spontaneously overwhelms the police for no other reason than they are about to punish someone.

      I haven't heard of anything happening like that in the US since the southern lynch mobs of the 50's

    • 2 years ago
  • brit50
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      brit50  

    • We are now seeing right in front of us the Iranian gov't and its relatively large weaknesses. Disputes between the Ayatolla and Ahmadenijad, and the gov'ts problem controlling the populace. Both are key indicators of a failing gov't.

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • brit50:

      If that were true America would have fallen in 1861, France would have fallen how many times? Lets throw Briton and South Africa in there as well for grins.

      I think you may want to reconsider the differences between a failing government and a failing idealism/policy.

    • 2 years ago
  • SleepDirt
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
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    • 'As far as the numbers go, good Ol' Murica is ranked fifth.'

      And first in detention.

      The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world.[3][4] It also has the highest total documented prison population in the world.[3][5][6] As of year-end 2007, a record 7.2 million people were behind bars, on probation, or on parole, with 2.3 million of those actually incarcerated.[7] More than 1 in 100 American adults were incarcerated at the start of 2008. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million, while having four times the population, thus having only about 18% of the US incarceration rate.[8][9]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

      Note the accelerating curve in the graphic. This should be of concern to everyone, regardless whether or not someone believes they have 'nothing to worry about if they have done no wrong'.

    • 2 years ago
  • fun_size
  • SleepDirt
  • eLearnDev
  • dreamsenvoy
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      dreamsenvoy  
    • eLearnDev:

      agreed with the "fanatics kill" part;regaurdless of being conservitive.However the data suggest a majority of fanatics have been conservitive,few of them have been liberial.you have a point there.

    • 2 years ago
  • CarolineS
  • bluestranger
  • CarolineS
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  

    • Islam is the thing that kills. Islam is a fanatic belief and as such is brutal and ferocious. The killing and beheadings are not new.

    • 2 years ago
  • theghostofjohnlennon
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
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    • Ragan:

      "Islam is the thing that kills. Islam is a fanatic belief and as such is brutal and ferocious. The killing and beheadings are not new."

      Try it like this:

      Christianity is the thing that kills. Christianity is a fanatic belief and as such is brutal and ferocious. The killing and beheadings are not new.

      See how that works?

    • 2 years ago
  • marboss
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      marboss  

    • "Iran executes more people than anywhere else in the world except China, human rights groups say." But I would suppose proportional to its population, Iran probably kills more people.

    • 2 years ago
  • Mikeysfake1
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      Mikeysfake1  

    • Good news. They stood up to the government.
      Bad news. They let robbers escape.

      Is this an issue of whether or not the laws and punishments are to strict or is it an other issue altogether?

      I mean a death sentence for robbery seems harsh but then again if I caught someone robbing my house I'd shoot them dead and not think twice.

    • 2 years ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • Mikeysfake1:

      Well, we do not actually know that they were robbers or dissidents wrongly convicted so that they could be hanged. That is the problem. The Chinese government regularly frames people that they deem to be a threat. Who is to say that the same thing did not happen here? Obviously there is a crow that believes these men do not deserve to die, it may be for a good reason and more than meets the eye.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • brit50
  • SleepDirt
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  

    • That's awesome! I hope if America ever becomes a full-blown police state that Americans will fight back like this too, and help each other, no matter what their political affiliation. I have faith that we would, but it would have to get bad enough to awaken the masses from their media-induced comas.

    • 2 years ago
  • brit50
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
    • noxidereus:

      Doesn't happen overnight and the transition is mostly undetectable to a nation of American Idol-worshippers and a compliant Congress and press.

      Are you aware, for example, that Sprint alone responded to 8,000,000 requests from the government in the past year for assistance in tracking citizens?
      Also, every cell-phone manufactured is trackable by GPS and if you hack the software and kill it, one Sprint official says it could be possible for the carrier to reactivate it remotely.

      What's more, email and phone traffic signals are routinely split to government servers at telecoms facilities, the Patriot Act stands, FISA stands, US forces are deployed in the US since last October specializing in crowd control, to name a few things that are much different today than a decade ago.

      The government can snatch a member of your family off the street and detain them incognito indefinitely with the scantest suspicions which they are not obliged to indulge as a matter of national security.
      You can be tortured and released without charges and never seek redress as the DoJ and the Supremes will just block your ass from suing anyone---that's right, State Secrets all around.

      Welcome to the Global War on Terror Without End, just like in the novel.

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • noxidereus:

      315,360,000 million seconds a year... times how many million Americans? So how many people did they request this tracking data on? And for what reason? Because you know they use cell phone tracking mostly for missing persons right? Lay off of it already....

    • 2 years ago
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
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    • noxidereus:

      That is Sprint only on cell phone tracking alone. They are only one of several carriers. This does not include monitoring of email, text, IM, land lines, internet searches, FBI security letters, automobile black box event data, financial record searches, library recordsincluding credit card transactions, spying on peace groups and PACs all done routinely, in secret and without due process.
      This is America today.

      Barack Obama supports every bit of it, unless you can demonstrate any exceptions wherein his administration has stepped up for civil rights.
      It's possible I missed an important news day or two in the last year.

      "6-20-2008: Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) today announced his support for a sweeping intelligence surveillance law that has been heavily denounced by the liberal activists who have fueled the financial engines of his presidential campaign.

      In his most substantive break with the Democratic Party's base since becoming the presumptive nominee, Obama declared he will support the bill when it comes to a Senate vote, likely next week, despite misgivings about legal provisions for telecommunications corporations that cooperated with the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program of suspected terrorists.

      In so doing, Obama sought to walk the fine political line between GOP accusations that he is weak on foreign policy -- Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called passing the legislation a "vital national security matter" -- and alienating his base."

      http://blog.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/20/obama_supports_fisa_legislatio.html

    • 2 years ago
  • TrevTar
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • TrevTar:

      Most states in this country you can shoot a on the spot robber... few questions asked... look up castle laws. Honestly, Iran is smart to execute repeat offenders like this... that part of the story was not mentioned though was it? Yeah, that word repeat adds a little value to the situation does it not.

    • 2 years ago
  • RicothePenguin
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
    • TrevTar:

      Likewise. If you're children were starving and emaciated and your only recourse was to steal a loaf of bread or watch them die, would you steal? If it succeeded and they were hungry again the next day or two, would you try it again? Methinks some of us are a little too quick to judge , mon ami.

    • 2 years ago
  • CalgarC
  • kilo88
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      kilo88 [removed]  

    • the Iranian people are so much more different than their government, perhaps this is a turing point for Iran and with in the next decade will turn to a democratic republic like the Soviet Union in the 80's

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • kilo88:

      What? The Soviet Union in the 80's? I do not see people desperate to defect from Iran yet... though I can see it being a potential... when you see that, and people asking how to start a new government, that is when you will see an overthrow. They are doing neither yet, but they are getting closer.

    • 2 years ago
  • versasrev
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      versasrev  

    • If anythings going to happen in Iran, its going to be in the next couple of weeks, most likely. If it doesn't happen soon I just can't see it happening.

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
  • bailey78
  • EdJoyProductions
  • SleepDirt
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