Has anyone heard of the term 'False Flag'? (Opinion)

oh, and s_peak you were right to leave JFK out of it. He and his brother planned to buck the whole corrupt system, of course we know what happened to them and their little blonde lover who knew too much.

That, was awesome, s_peak. Well said!

DAMN i always find it crazy that the only ones who know truth and saw its ugly head were those on the plane, and each and every one of them is GONE >:|
fuck u america and by america i mean our current government thats been ruining shit for decades now

OH, and thanks for the links, Opit.

I'm a newbie and I know Homiecow and Monkey_Films please connect with me.

Yes, jubal, I agree, there is even more information coming out from this couple and a few other witnesses. I am pretty darn sure it's a False Flag. Even more interesting is the fact that the mainstream media is completely ignoring these reports. That's confirmation to me.

and you know this was a false flag incident

No passport, somebody was filming the incident with a camcorder, lax security in Amsterdam, it smacks of false flag.

@Cztheday, my comparison of fat people and conspiracy theorists was based on the fact that they are both ubiquitous.

Jubal, it was not at all my intention to foo foo on your birthday cake. I did not say that a conspiracy in Congress was impossible or even unlikely. I said that I found the notion that the entire U.S. Congress has come together in a conspiracy to be entertaining because those guys and gals can't get together on anything, let alone a complex conspiracy.

Of course, if one wanted to put together a powerful conspiracy among government types, many (most?) of the most powerful people to involve aren't even IN Congress. You would probably want to gather together a cabinet secretary or three, perhaps an equal number of folks from the clandestine services, perhaps a few highly-placed people from the Pentagon and a "money man" or two. Each of these individuals would be more "powerful" than 90% of the people who serve in Congress. If you could round out your group with four or five Congressional committee chairmen, you're all set...

So I fundamentally agree with you...although I must admit that I am still pondering the similarities between the persecution of conspiracy theorists and fat people. Many of the latter cannot help their condition, while it would seem like the former have a freer choice...but I am likely missing the thrust of your argument on that point...

wayseeker said: So Bush would take the chance that with say 50 - 100 people in on his secret there would not be a leak.// DUH....THERE ARE LEAKS, THAT IS WHAT THE TRUTHERS ARE BASING THEIR INFORMATION ON. BUSH SCREWED UP, CHENEY SCREWED UP AND THERE ARE VIDEOS OF OF INSIDERS AS WELL AS FIREMEN, POLICE OFFICERS, WORK CREWS AND ALL WALKS OF LIFE TELLING THE TRUTH. That is what is in the videos you dismiss and don't bother to watch. The darn members of the 9/11 commission are all but one saying it's a lie and a cover-up. Does the dam have to completely come down and the water flow over your house for you to notice the leaks?

So Bush would take the chance that with say 50 - 100 people in on his secret there would not be a leak. In the real world Washington leaks like a sieve, not too mention sources outside Washington.

All 535 members of Congress and the Senate didn't need to be in on the conspiracy. That is a straw man argument. The conspiracy could easily have been carried out by less than 100 people.

My America said: (As far as the 'False Flag' concept being tied to 9/11 belongs in the same category as 'Birthers' and 'Flat Earthers'.) I AGREE LET'S PUT THEM IN THE TRUTH CABINET SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN PROVEN, except for the flat earth, that must be your friends.

common_sense_please Wow that was a stretch, especially for common sense

YES, JUBAL, the more I found out about JFK, the more I like him.

...and all those people are stupid fuckin' assholes ?
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Your credentials please ?

We are well aware of the 'False Flag' concept. It has really reared its ugly head over the past 11 months. The whole its not me its them concept.

As far as the 'False Flag' concept being tied to 9/11 belongs in the same category as 'Birthers' and 'Flat Earthers'.

I totally agree that 9-11 was a false flag in that Dick Cheney orchestrated the whole thing so he could kick Saddam Hussein's ass and make billions of dollars for Haliburton.

But I think this latest incident is proof of Al Quaida's ingeniousness--because they let this guy do all the grunt work for them and in essence let him be their false flag knowing full well that our completely inept Senators and Congressmen and FOX news political pundits would never pass up a chance to run down President Obama and blame him for allowing this to happen so he looks like he is weak and unresponsive and not taking the terrorist attack seriously--while actually revealing what a huge joke our Congress and the Homeland Security committee has become. That and they knew they could rely on the rest of the news media to trip over themselves trying to outdo each other to report every single intricate detail of this event by telling them exactly what security breaches this guy was allowed to circumvent and exactly what type of explosive he had--where he got it--what is was called--and how it was made--and what went wrong so that it did not explode--while also mentioning that he was on a terrorist watch list--and which agencies maintain that list--and pointing out the fact that federal marshals were not on the plane--as well as the exact, finite, and intimate details about what new security measures were being implemented in response to this incident and you know basically just giving our enemy every detail they would need to plan a successful attack so they don't have to do any real work-- all they have to do is log onto the internet or watch satellite TV.

jubal you said: (When I was tested at various levels of my education, I was told, by the testers, that I had an uncanny ability to recognize patterns. I would get the answers to problems many others couldn't because of this innate ability. I recognize patterns, even what some would consider abstract sequences.) We have the same brain, I knew there was a reason I like you, lol. Check out my recent post, CIA Omerta, it's basically about what you talked about in your last post. At least the 9/11 stuff with some very new unreleased news video that I had not seen yet. I believe this to be a 'smoking gun' that we've been looking for.

Go ahead and poke fun at the conspiracy nuts...its on the equivalent level as poking fun at fat people. There are all sorts of conspiracies that are going on as we speak. A conspiracy can be any two or more people colluding in secret to accomplish a goal which is generally also secret. There are many unanswered questions and questions whose answers defy reason. So like I said, go ahead and be skeptical and get your jollies poking fun. It doesn't really matter much anyway. Because only time will tell who is going to be living in peace and who will be running for their lives.

I for one keep an open mind, especially where the government is concerned. Because in the past 40 years of my political consciousness, having the events of the country unfold since the 60's, I can honestly say that appearances can be deceiving. People take advantage of the fact that most people think such things are inconceivable to actually get away with them, because they have everybody looking the other way. This is the common trick employed by an stage illusionist and some would say, the oldest trick in the book.

I don't know how old many of you are, I guess, but usually I am wrong by more than 5 years or more. The only reason I ask that, and it is a rhetorical question btw. But I believe that when you have longer to look at the circus, you begin to be able to connect the dots a little faster. When I was tested at various levels of my education, I was told, by the testers, that I had an uncanny ability to recognize patterns. I would get the answers to problems many others couldn't because of this innate ability. I recognize patterns, even what some would consider abstract sequences.

There is another concept that I have learned about watching the political circus and it is that often times their is just enough truth in a so called "conspiracy theory" for it to be plausible, or people just wouldn't buy it. So, that means that there is some truth to it. The trick is sorting out the fact from the spin. That is why the solution will be, an independent fact finding commission that isn't being controlled by the WH or the CIA or the Congress. Empowered to subpoena information and summon testimony. We need to get some very serious questions answered and we may need to be ready to hand out immunity to those that are willing whistle blowers. I have seen hundreds of videotaped testimonies of people who claim that what they saw and witnessed was completely different from the "official story". There are hundreds more that are afraid to come out of the 911 closet because they realize that if the people who pulled this off could subvert our government with impunity, what would stop them from silencing you?

So until there can be an independent fact finding commission that can grant this kind of protection the majority who can come forward, won't.

(royulery said: something that happens out here in the west is; out of work volunteer firemen will start a wild fire to get the big pay. would a mastermind approve a less than convincing false flag operation? my thoughts are; if it looks unprofessional, it probably is)
Doesn't it take another mastermind to plan these attacks if they are related to Al Quaeda? New question, would a mastermind approve not one, but several failed terrorist attempts? That makes less sense. Additionally, once 9/11 was finished and they programmed you with color coded alerts it is no longer necessary to actually blow up a plane. Fox, CNN and MSNBC will repeat this over and over for weeks finishing up the little reminder Washington wanted to put out there for us. The terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming. What about the war on lightning? What ever happened to that? I mean, your risk of getting killed by lightning is much greater than getting killed by a terrorist.

corndog67 said: With all due respect. And 911 was an inside job.

corndog67 Yes, I'm glad you agree that 9/11 was an inside job. After all, there is more evidence, facts, etc. pointing towards that than the story given to us by the White House. As a matter of fact, most of the people appointed to the 9/11 report have now come out to agree that 9/11 was an inside job. If the people that wrote the report on 9/11 claim that the government interfered with their report making it essentially a lie, what would you expect an intelligent person to believe?

something that happens out here in the west is; out of work volunteer firemen will start a wild fire to get the big pay.
would a mastermind approve a less than convincing false flag operation? my thoughts are; if it looks unprofessional, it probably is.

False flags were used effectively by the corporate media during the re-false election of Bush II "the lesser" in 2004. Or maybe that happened in 2000, when Jeb's Supreme Court elected Dubya... ( and Al "Current" Gore let it happen. )

Anyways i am glad the colored threat warnings have disappeared, for now.

LMAO kennymotown I've never heard it put so blunt before but that's actually, bluntly, dead on.

It's quite obvious that 911 was a false flag event! But most flag waving fools can't seem to get past a six pack and realize it because they really don't mind a million innocent brown people have been killed for world dominance.

Point proven, corndog76, your turn to add facts.

So long as the struggle against terrorism is conceived as a war that can be won by military means, it is doomed to fail. The more the west emphasises confrontation, the more it silences moderate voices in the Muslim world who want to speak up for cooperation. Success will only come from isolating the terrorists and denying them support, funds and recruits, which means focusing more on our common ground with the Muslim world than on what divides us. - Robin Cook 'The Struggle Against Terrorism Cannot Be Won by Military Means'.

"Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."

(corndog67 said: Al Queda is a CIA organization? That takes the cake. Just like they invented crack to keep the blacks down. At least you've got yourself convinced. Hopefully none of the really gullible people that are on here take you seriously. Rhetoric like this can be dangerous if the really stupid people (read fanatics) believe you)

BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after.

I'm truly sorry, corndog, but it seems the only people that would believe a statement like that are the BBC, the CIA and anyone else who does their homework and research. Maybe you should try doing this before forming an opinion and lowering yourself to personal, wrongly based and biased attacks.

Actually corndog67 Al Quaeda WAS and is an invention of the CIA. Thank you for the uncalled for personal attack with nothing added to base your opinions on. I'm sure it was enlightening for someone, however, I will shortly provide the information that will make you have the need to call to Wizard of Oz and see if he has anything for you.

Al Queda is a CIA organization? That takes the cake. Just like they invented crack to keep the blacks down. At least you've got yourself convinced. Hopefully none of the really gullible people that are on here take you seriously. Rhetoric like this can be dangerous if the really stupid people (read fanatics) believe you.

YES

yes this kind of thing goes on all the time. we just don't know, or just forget. remember the Lavon Affair?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Legalize marijuana in 2010!

Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

Al Queada exists as a division of the CIA. Oh how I wish you could prove that. I always thought the CIA was supposed to protect us from attacks like 911.

diabolical44 said: I'm not honestly sure if there is even really such a thing as Al Queda
Yes, diabolical, Al Queada exists as a division of the CIA.

I, too, am suspicious of this attempt. My guess is that it will be used to bring in new and more invasive "security" measures. Just waiting for the appropriate peak of outrage so they can serve us up a solution. Problem-Reaction-Solution.

I'm not honestly sure if there is even really such a thing as Al Queda .

(Tyr said: I have often wondered why the conspritorists virtually always assume that every event that takes place has some deeply hidden agenda that virtually always ends up with the message that your government is out to get you! )

The end of my post said: I'd love to hear input from both sides of the issue on this one because I just feel the odds alone knock these two incidents out of the legitimate file.

It all comes down to free and critical thinking. To not question your government dooms you to live with no control over your life whatsoever. Most tyrannical governments rely on their populations being uneducated and therefore unable to question the events they see take place. You're not suggesting we just turn off the power to our minds and let the government spoon feed us the truth, are you?

I have often wondered why the conspritorists virtually always assume that every event that takes place has some deeply hidden agenda that virtually always ends up with the message that your government is out to get you! I'm in my fifties , fought in VietNam, lived through all the Kennedy assassinations , Mlk assassination, Y2K etc etc etc and I am yet to see these secret one world order armies fill the streets with their tanks and all the other fantasies that you guys dream up. All of you who keep producing these nut case theories make yourselves look foolish...can you not see that? You all remind me of the people who keep popping up saying that they know when the end of the Earth is coming, sell all their worldly belongings and go sit on some mountain waiting for the dreaded hour ..only to have to come down a day or so later looking like the idiots that they are.

This supposed almost terrorist act was not meant to actually hurt anyone. It was meant to keep the fear alive and well among the american people. An almost threat is just as good as an actual threat. The kool-aid has been treated, prepped and poured and the citizens are drunk with fear and anxiety.This is just another way to keep a tsunami of cash flowing into the " war on terrorism", to garner support for the troop surge in Afghanistan and for the peopole to give up more and more out of fear and manipulation and to legitimize the errosion and corruption of the constitution and bankrupt the bill of rights. The money train is alive and well and speeding fast ahead for those who benefit. You want to know the truth, follow the money and who truly benefits. Plain and simple. The article writer is on point. Get a grip people, your being played by master conductors.

The Attack on Pearl Harbor, 1941

The US Administration of FDR sought to involve America in World War II. But the American people wanted to stay out of it. So the Administration provoked Japan, in the hope that they would attack the U.S. The plan worked, and FDR made sure that the attacks took place successfully and had the maximum effect and impact. Believing that it was a surprise and unprovoked attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, Americans now supported U.S. entry into the war.

Operation Ajax, 1953

Democratically elected President Mossadeq of Iran was unsympathetic to Western oil interests. So the CIA and MI6 orchestrated a revolt against among the Iranian people. False-flag attacks - including the bombing of a religious leader, attacks on a mosque, and machine-gunning of civilians - were carried out by the CIA and blamed on Mossadeq to turn his people against him. He was successfully overthrown and replaced by a U.S.-backed Shah who began a reign of terror in the country which lasted 25 years. The U.S. then repeated this technique of overthrowing a foreign leader over and over in countries throughout the world.

The Attack on USS Liberty, 1967

During the Six Day War between Israel and Arab countries, the U.S. destroyer USS Liberty was sent into the eastern Mediterranean, off the coast of Israel. The plan was to use Israeli forces to attack and sink the ship, killing all it's crew, and then blame the attack on Egypt, to justify the involvement of the U.S. in the war. The Liberty was attacked by three unmarked Israeli fighter bombers, as well as three Israeli torpedo boats. The attack lasted for over 3 hours; help was sent by nearby U.S. aircraft carriers, but incredibly the help was personally recalled by President Johnson, who declared "I want that ship going to the bottom". The attack would have succeeded, but it was spotted by a Russian spy plane, and the Israeli attack was called off. The crew survivors were sworn to secrecy.

The Attack on South Ossetia, 2008

On August 8th, Western mainstream news reported that Russia had sneak attacked South Ossetia, a region of Georgia. Evidence quickly emerged however that Georgia had attacked it's own region, in an attempt to put down the growing independence movement. The South Ossetians wanted to re-united with North Ossetia as part of the Russian Federation. Russian forces only entered the region after the South Ossetians and Russian peacekeepers in the region had been attacked by Georgia, who had support from the U.S. and Israel.

Some of the most heroic and revered moments in history are not always what they seem.

That said, any false flag ops that may or may not have occurred don't necessarily have the fingerprints of the administration on them since their are government and quasi-government and corporate entities in existence that pull strings unseen and manipulate events.

But back to my initial point.

Operation Northwoods

In 1962, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously proposed state-sponsored acts of terrorism on American soil, against American citizens. The head of every branch of the US armed forces gave written approval to sink US ships, shoot down hijacked American planes, and gun down and bomb civilians on the streets of Washington, D.C., and Miami. The idea was to blame the self-inflicted terrorism on Cuba's leader, Fidel Castro, so the American public would beg and scream for the Marines to storm Havana.
The public learned about Operation Northwoods 35 years later, when the Top Secret document was declassified by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board. Among other things, Operation Northwoods proposed:
- Faking the crash of an American passenger plane. The disaster was to be accomplished by faking a commercial flight from the US to Jamaica, and having the plane boarded at a public airport by CIA agents disguised as college students going on vacation. An empty remote-controlled plane would follow the commercial flight as it left Florida. The commercial flight's pilots would radio for help, mention that they had been attacked by a Cuban fighter, then land in secret at Eglin AFB. The empty remote-controlled plane would then be blown out of the sky and the public would be told all the poor college students aboard were killed.
- Using a possible NASA disaster (astronaut John Glenn's death) as a pretext to launch the war. The plan called for "manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans" if something went wrong with NASA's third manned space launch.
- Blowing up buildings in Washington and Miami. Cuban agents (undercover CIA agents) would be arrested, and they would confess to the bombings. In addition, false documents proving Castro's involvement in the attacks would be "found" and given to the press.
- Attacking an American military base in Guantanamo with CIA recruits posing as Cuban mercenaries. This involved blowing up the ammunition depot and would obviously result in material damages and many dead American troops. As a last resort, the plan even mentioned bribing one of Castro's commanders to initiate the Guantanamo attack. That deserves repeating: the Pentagon considered using our tax dollars to bribe another country's military to attack our own troops in order to instigate a full-scale war.

Operation Northwoods was only one of several plans under the umbrella of Operation Mongoose. Shortly after the Joint Chiefs signed and presented the plan in March, 1962, President Kennedy, still smarting from the Bay of Pigs fiasco, declared that he would never authorize a military invasion of Cuba. In September, Kennedy denied the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Lyman Lemnitzer, a second term as the nation's highest ranking military officer. And by the winter of 1963, Kennedy was dead... killed, apparently, by a Cuban sympathizer in the streets of an American city.

"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident."(Schopenhauer)

(neocongo said: From a post on one of your other monkey film conspiracy theory articles: "Nursing and government jobs are about to be the only safe jobs out there. You truckers might want to think about training to be a cop or joining the military, there'll be plenty of those on the streets soon. Plus, I hear they'll take just about anyone in the military these days. 100% complete job security.")
YOUR POINT NEOCONGO, YOUR POINT, MAKE ONE PLEASE!

From a post on one of your other monkey film conspiracy theory articles:

"Nursing and government jobs are about to be the only safe jobs out there. You truckers might want to think about training to be a cop or joining the military, there'll be plenty of those on the streets soon. Plus, I hear they'll take just about anyone in the military these days. 100% complete job security."

neocongo said (Your message is clearly that we must all band together and fear the coming police state, which ultimately is the message of virtually all conspiracy theorists)

Gosh, really not sure how you pulled that out of my post but thanks for making it clear the rest of their plan is working. Fear, fear? I'm not asking anyone to be fearful, just to educate themselves and to do what any 'free' person should do and examine the facts to see what it truly going on. To do anything different would be just stupid, don't you think?

Your message is clearly that we must all band together and fear the coming police state, which ultimately is the message of virtually all conspiracy theorists. It is a cliche and a joke, and sad you are one more of it's purveyors.

My response is predictable, of course. Were this to be true, and it was discovered by one of the thousands of investigative journalists in the DC area alone who would love to be the next Woodward or Bernstein (Watergate), it would not only bring down the Obama administration, it would send dozens of Administration officials to prison. From a political perspective, there is absolutely no way the risk is worth the reward.