Whites Smoke Pot, But Only Blacks Get Arrested NORML
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?_r=2
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A few weeks ago I received a letter from a father of a young man arrested and incarcerated on minor cannabis-related charges in Arlington, Virginia. The father’s lament is deep and profound, beyond the standard pleas for help NORML so regularly receives. So much so that I asked him if he would send NORML the original letter for publication.
A few local points of interest to those outside of the Washington, D.C. area. Arlington county is by most measures one of the more ‘liberal’ and tolerant counties in the commonwealth, maybe the most liberal. Thousands of people who work for the federal government, political partisans, non profit organizations and trade associations reside in Arlington, which has an ever-shrinking native African American community. The writer clearly sets out to make it clear that supposedly progressive counties like Arlington still have a dark side regarding how disproportionately minorities are ensnared into the criminal justice system for cannabis, and how dramatic the impact is to them, their family members–and the taxpayer’s of Arlington.
The Barnes family’s experience in Arlington plays out across the nation every single day, where minorities are arrested at rates three to one, and higher, with even greater disparity regarding incarceration.
In fact The New York Times just reported on such last Wednesday in an apropos article entitled ‘White Smokes Pot, But Blacks Get Arrested.‘
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/nyregion/23about.html?_r=2
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corndog67
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The great majority of users of medical marijuana have no ailments. Legalize it to stop the charade. Tax the shit out of it.
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corndog67
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SHAWN_RITTIMAN
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We have all been getting burned for having burned, but I have never been black so I cant honestly say. Free it for all so we can have a free for all! We should not have to have ailments to enjoy such a fine herb!
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SHAWN_RITTIMAN
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corndog67
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People of color are arrested disproportionately because they do most of the crime.
FACT.
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corndog67
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corndog67:
Any stats on that? It sounds like opinion rather than fact.
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N_Dank
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FUCK THE POLICE
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N_Dank
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SHAWN_RITTIMAN
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N_Dank:
Monkey see monkey do....a pig right between the peepers?
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NoJustiCeNoPeaCe
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This is just another sad example of institutionized racism in America where people of color are disproportionally arrested compared to white counter parts.
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NoJustiCeNoPeaCe
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WhiteNoise
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THAT RACIST THANG !
http://whitenoiserants.webnode.com/news/that-racist-thang-/"At the heart of racism is the religious assertion that God made a creative mistake when He brought some people into being" - Friedrich Otto Hertz
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WhiteNoise
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Jeremy_Kox
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Why does every argument come down to blaming racism and "whitey" keepin' the black man down? It is not a freaking conspiracy theory, as "White Noise" noted in his/her post, either. Sure, racism exists. Sure, there are cops that are racist, but guess what, there are also Black and Hispanic cops that are racisist too. Did you ever look at the demographics of the NYCPolice department for which this study was based? Only 52% are white! 48% are minority based, with 17% Black, 26% Hispanic, 4% Asian and 1% other. By that rate, either white officers are overly efficient in their arrests, or black/hispanic officers are contribting to the racial profiling! OR... Maybe, just maybe, the percent is disproportionate because the arrests coincide with other infractions... i.e. rape, disorderly conduct, robbery, assult, battery, domestic abuse, drug distribution, etc., in which black and hispanic citizens are more prevelent to be involved in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States). Most drug possession charges ARE NOT a result of ONLY drug possession! Use some common sense when accusing people of something as dispicable as racism. Not every white person is "out to get" minorities... in fact, if you look at the violent crime statistics, it is more often that the minorities are "out to get" the whities! Look at the statistics... They don't lie! (17% of the population is black, yet 44% of rapes occuring to white women are by black/hispanic men and 100% of rapes on black women are by black/hispanic men... same web link as above.
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Jeremy_Kox
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fun_size
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Yet another reason to end the prohibition of marijuana.
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fun_size
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courage
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we dont smoke it on the street while there selling there crack and slappin the shorties with the golden pimp hand
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courage
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courage:
jackass comment.
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keithponder
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Debrinconcita
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The same thing goes on here in Portland Oregon and all the other surrounding Counties in the area. If your any other nationality but white, your better just put the cuff's on yourself now! Chances are you will be arrested for something anything they will find a way? If your white it's like you have this "never get put in jail free card" I don't know why???But, that's the way it's alway's been here. Now we have a woman police chief here in Portland OR. and she's been actually investigating into this racial crap that's been going on and harrassment and she has found that more minorities have been arrested in car's than white people. So guess what they want here fired, they have been trying to trump up all kinds of fake charges and problems ever since she's been trying to get to the bottom of the racial tension here in Portland. I just know they will run here out of town soon, I hope that they don't but, the way the cop;s here have corrupted this town. It's never gonna change not this year anyways, the outlook here is bleak and no hope in sight!
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Debrinconcita
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Patrick_Clarkson
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Does anyone remember that phrase? It was used in the 60's and became the war on drugs but the victims of the war were the same people. And it is the same people today serving time in prisons ,because 98% of the people that get "time" in prison are the poor people that can't afford "good"representation in the courts.
There aren't many "Stewarts" and "Madoffs" in our prison system,not near as many as there should be. - 2 years ago
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mr_tibbles
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I've also been arrested for possession on two separate occasions. I'm also white. But then again, I always seem to get the shit end of the stick when dealing with cops. I have to admit, it must be nice to just have your bag taken from you instead of being put in handcuffs. Anyway, this article is just another item on a LONG list reasons why cannabis needs to be legalized.
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Nephwrack
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BS. i've been arrested for possession twice. they must not be talking about the LA county sheriffs. and a lot of other white ppl i know have also been arrested for it.
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Nephwrack
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Nephwrack:
How much did they/you have?
I have been pulled over and weed found in my car or on my person and I have never been arrested. at least 10 times that I can remember. I have actually been in cuffs and on my way to jail and had the cops ask me if I had anything on me because once it gets into the jail its a felony. I always admitted I had it and they took it from me and dumped it out or in some cases pocketed it. I have never been caught with what some folks call a large amount.....QP or more ya know. Always in the neighborhood of an OZ or 2.
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Nephwrack:
Damn seriously? Both times I was arrested for having a fucking quarter on me. I think I just always run into the dick cops....
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Nephwrack:
See alot of it depends on what city you live in. Chicago in the late 70's early 80's for me growing up. I never even worried about getting caught with weed. Now I have lived in the sticks of Northern Wisconsin in the late 80's and 90's and they would nail you to the wall for a roach.
Cops in bigger cities have bigger issues to deal with than some kids smokin a joint. Cops in the High Schools were another case. They looked to nail the black kids for anything they could.
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Nephwrack:
Ok, but how many more black people were arrested than just the white people you know? It's all relative numbers here.
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I wonder what other "crimes" have a disproportionate amount of minorities arrested over whites...but then again, one would only have to look at the imprisoned popluation to get the sad truth that it is more than we care to share with the public...or just that the public still turns a blindeye to what is going on. Is ignorance bliss in this or are the bliss pretending to be ignorant?
Thanks for posting the article! Hey did you get my email about the interview?
ttyl8r8
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CarolineS
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this isn't suprising, anyone can see how the police react around black people, in London i was constantly seeing black people being searched and pulled over while driving, it's a crazy old world, and the sooner the legalize the weed the better!
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CarolineS:
They make too much money off of the prosecutions of pot smokers. They don't want to legalize it for that sole purpose.
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rad62864
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What I understood some years back, is that, middle age white men would be the minority, disenfranchised by the system! I suppoes it is not called the' "melting pot of the world," for nothing. Sorry to stray from the subject, but it all correlates. Reversed discrimination!
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rad62864:
That hasn't happened yet.
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Sad but true. Being raised in Chicago and going to CHGO public schools I have seen first hand where black kids getting fucked with by the cops that patrolled our schols, {Yes we had armed, uniformed police INSIDE CHGO Public schools in the 70's its not new} yet the white kids would only get their weed taken from them. The black kid gets taken into custody and the white kid needs to just buy another bag. Something is wrong there, NO ONE should be taken into custody for smokin weed. and it should NEVER be determined by race. I know at least 6 chgo pieces of shit that wear badges. 2 are drug cops. I went to school with them. They are now patrolling the streets of chicago raising al kinds of hell in the black neighborhoods. They use the term.....MONDAYS......to describe black folks. The reasoning behind it is....everyone hates mondays.
When will we wake up to the fact that the black brothers and the white brothers will have to band together to take back our government. I have said for 25 years or more that we need to quit fighting each other and take back our government. They are the real enemy.
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keithponder
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Even though surveys show they are part of the demographic group that makes the heaviest use of pot, white people in New York are the least likely to be arrested for it.
Last year, black New Yorkers were seven times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana possession and no more serious crime. Latinos were four times more likely.
In 2001, during his first campaign for mayor, Michael R. Bloomberg was asked by New York magazine if he had ever used marijuana. “You bet I did,” he replied. “And I enjoyed it.”
Like most white New Yorkers, he stood almost no chance of being locked up for his pot use, then being handcuffed, fingerprinted and spending a night in Central Booking.
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During Mr. Bloomberg’s first two terms in office, the lowest-level marijuana arrests were up, on average, by 50 percent over when his predecessor, Rudolph Giuliani, was in office. Last year, Professor Levine said, the city made 40,300 such arrests — about 12 percent of arrests for all crimes. Of these, 87 percent were of blacks or Latinos.
In 2008, the police made more pot arrests “than in the 12 years of Mayor Koch, plus the four years of Mayor Dinkins, plus the first two years of Mayor Giuliani,” Mr. Levine wrote. “In other words, in one year, 2008, Bloomberg made more pot arrests than in 18 years of Koch, Dinkins and Giuliani combined.”
The mayor’s office said on Tuesday that it could not estimate the cost of such arrests. Mr. Levine, drawing on studies done in other cities, estimated that they could range from $53 million to $88 million annually.
WHATEVER the precise costs, are all these marijuana arrests — wildly disproportionate in their racial impact, and consuming the energy of thousands of police officers, the courts, prosecutors and defense lawyers — truly helping the city?
Mr. Bloomberg’s chief criminal justice aide, John Feinblatt, declined to discuss the city’s approach to marijuana arrests, or the findings of the study. But through a spokesman, he issued a statement maintaining the pot arrests have helped drive down violent crime.
“Marijuana arrests — which rarely lead to jail — are concentrated in neighborhoods with the highest concentrations of violent crime because that’s where the police focus their attention in order to reduce victimization,” Mr. Feinblatt said. “This continued focus on low-level offending has been part of the city’s effective crime-reduction strategy, which has resulted in a 35 percent decrease in crime since 2001."
In effect, Mr. Feinblatt was arguing a variation on the “broken-windows” theory of crime-fighting — that cracking down on symptoms of public disorder helps head off more serious problems.
Mr. Levine argues that such arrests drain resources needed for dealing with serious threats.
The possession of less than an ounce of marijuana was decriminalized by the State Legislature in 1977, reduced to a violation, the equivalent of a traffic ticket. “Burning” it or having it “open to public view” is a misdemeanor.
The handful of white pot smokers who do get arrested can be found in court on Mondays and Tuesdays, when they must answer tickets typically issued for smoking pot in a park. The rest of the week is taken up with blacks and Latinos, who are more likely to have spent a night in jail before court, said Edward McCarthy, a lawyer for the Legal Aid Society.
“Some of the police officers, who are at the start of their careers, are apologetic when they make these arrests,” Mr. McCarthy said. “They say, ‘if my lieutenant or sergeant weren’t here, I’d let you go.’ ”
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keithponder
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Great post Ras I
I don't know why this is so hard to to see. Moon Loon want s to try and convince us that the Department of Justice has accurate evidence that Black people are the cause and reason behind most of the crime in America. If that's true, it's because they (police) are train to arrest Black people. Racial profiling still does exist today.
My son had no criminal record, but he's facing a life sentence in Alabama , after being stopped by the Hwy Patrol. They smelled reefer, so they searched his car, and found a bottle of prescription cough syrup in the trunk of his car. Because it did not belong to him, they charged him with Opium trafficking. People refuse to believe this, BUT IT IS TRUE., so..............
Ride Natty Ride, Go Deh Dready, Dready
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keithponder:
Sounds like a possible civil rights mega-case - if you can get the right lawyers to take it on.
I knew a guy who did nine years i Texas for a half-joint. - 2 years ago
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rad62864
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Simply put, Institutional Discrimination! Inequality and disparity rendering adverse affects from the hollier-than-thou ideology that the United States has portrayed.
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rad62864
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rad62864
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Empirically speaking, the quantitative statistics unequivocally validates the erroneous counter-productive opposition to the repeal of Marijuana!! Phohibition isn't any good for anyone, whites, black, browns or yellow. Logic and reason should conquer all!!!
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Welcome to the war against drugs scam !
The criminalization of pot is simply needed to fill the prisons & rationalize the private incarceration system… & they get to destroy the black community as a bonus…
Business as usual ! In the USA, the prison system is owned by private corporations (i), meaning that companies make money from putting people in jail.
This explains why America has the largest absolute prison population in the world (ii). Not just relative to its 300m population, but relative to the world. Even communist China, with 1.3 billion people, has less people in prison than America. US police officers are fired or given demotions if they do not meet a certain quota of people put in jail (iii). It’s called the prison-industrial complex (iv), and is just one example of how capitalism is yielding negative effects in America.
So how are so many people being put in prison? Welcome to the drug war. The CIA ships in cocaine to the United States in mass (v), and then uses the corrupt police force to deal these illegal drugs to the American public (vi). Naturally, having dealt the drugs, the police then know who is in possession of cocaine, so later bust them for it. Not only is the drug-industrial complex served, but so is the prison-industrial complex. Classic corporatism all made possible through the corrupt police force of bully-mentality.
And if by now you’re saying, “well, just because people are selling drugs, doesn’t mean the kids are forced to buy them”, consider the glorification of drugs in movies and television. Young kids love listening to Amy Winehouse and others (vii) (viii), but there is no age limit on how old you have to be to watch her on the news, boxed into the classic drug nightmare of so many poor victims of the entertainment industry.The average lifespan in the United States is currently 78 (ix) and expected to be commonly as high as 100 in the coming generations (x), yet in the entertainment industry was just over 60 in 1999 and was as low as 48 in 1950 (xi). Also consider the abomination that is America’s education system (xii), and its up-to and in some cases above 50% high school dropout rates (xiii).
Footnotes
i http://www.correctionsproject.com/corrections/pris_priv.htm
ii http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/2925973.stm
iii http://www.emissourian.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19506987&BRD=1409&PAG=46...
iv http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199812/prisons
v http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/980507-l.htm
vi http://www.serendipity.li/cia/fifty.html vii http://danasdirt.com/2007/11/27/amy-winehouse-meets-a-young-fan/
viii http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_black#Charts
ix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
x http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1977733.stm
xi http://www.ancestry.com/facts/HOLLYWOOD-life-expectancy.ashx
xii http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw
xiii http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344190,00.htmlCan you connect the dots as for smack ?
Losing The War On Drugs: One CIA Asset At A Time
http://current.com/items/91584836_losing-the-war-on-drugs-one-cia-asset-at-a-tim...Brother of Afghan Leader Is Said to Be on C.I.A. Payroll
http://current.com/items/91304647_brother-of-afghan-leader-is-said-to-be-on-c-i-...Occupiers involved in drug trade: Afghan minister
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110130§ionid=351020403CIA, Heroin Still Rule Day in Afghanistan
“U.S. Army planes leave Afghanistan carrying coffins empty of bodies, but filled with drugs.” http://current.com/1js4u4cAFGHANISTAN: BRINGING BETTER, CHEAPER DRUGS TO AMERICAS CHILDREN
http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9649(part 2) http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9650
“It’s here that the American dream decided it liked the taste of the vomit it was chocking on. Just rolled over on its back and screamed for more drugs. it didn't die.“ - Warren Ellis
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CaptainObvious
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The common denominator is :
Everyone bleeds Red..
So why turn your Lungs
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nanac
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It is an established fact that Blacks are arrested disproportionally in all areas of crime...This is one of the many reasons why Blacks resent the police...
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nanac:
fuck tha police
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nanac:
agreed whole heartily with both comments
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sad to see. now you see why it doesn't get legalized whitey has to be effected for it to be seen.
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freshfish:
I totally agree, whitey should stand up for blacky and brownie.
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In 2001, during his first campaign for mayor, Michael R. Bloomberg was asked by New York magazine if he had ever used marijuana. “You bet I did,” he replied. “And I enjoyed it.”
Like most white New Yorkers, he stood almost no chance of being locked up for his pot use, then being handcuffed, fingerprinted and spending a night in Central Booking.
Mr. Bloomberg may have been the first major city candidate to acknowledge using pot, but as mayor he has led a sweeping expansion of arrests, according to a recent study by Harry G. Levine, a sociology professor at Queens College.
During Mr. Bloomberg’s first two terms in office, the lowest-level marijuana arrests were up, on average, by 50 percent over when his predecessor, Rudolph Giuliani, was in office. Last year, Professor Levine said, the city made 40,300 such arrests — about 12 percent of arrests for all crimes. Of these, 87 percent were of blacks or Latinos.
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ras_menelik:
Sucks to hear that. I liked Bloomberg...
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