Gingrich openly says let’s ‘profile’ and ‘actively discriminate’

Why isn't the insightful idea, the better vision simply embraced? What will the future think of people who egotistically grasp onto stupid notions? Entrenched to some moronic cosmology and tired dictums all-the-while in the face of the utterly obvious?
Consigned forever as those couldn't measure up.
Religion: Ignorant self-service that earns a crushing fate to the forever small.

@02....the same could be said of fundamentalist Christians, too.

Let's face it, sometimes religious people just can't be reasoned with.
And that's what's going on the Islamist terrorists. There ain't going to be NO reasoning that one out.

This kind of rhetoric only pushes us closer and closer to an all out war between US/UK and the entire world of Islam.

My friend suggested selling little canisters of pig-blood, at the candy counter. This way, if a "Muslim" were thinking to blow the plane up, they'd know they'd be saturated with pig blood and couldn't go to heaven - nor get those 59 virgins waiting for them.

Is that what Allah said: 59 virgins, horny virgins, waiting for each Muslim boy? Or did I mishear that?

Extremist absolutist thinking has always been a tool to manipulate the masses . The crusades , the inquisition , racism ect .. When you focus it on one , objectify them and call them enemy , you are participation in the puppet master's illusion . Don't fall for it . We are in this together . Extremists are always ALWAYS desperate and mentally ill . It is nice and safe to call them EVIL . It protects us from the fact that we could be that evil , given the right conditions . High levels of lead in the water , The bombing and death of your neighbors , for example . Walk a mile in a man's moccasins ...... Then you might know him . Making individuals objects , then lumping them into a group , while talking about them , not TO them , is not the least bit helpful or productive .

@jimmysemens,it sounds as though you are ready for a war with all Muslims. History shows us that this approach will only strengthen the jihadest movement as does the persecution of any religion.

Bush lost his mojo in 2006. The relentless pounding by the left, Israel's half assed performance in the war with Hezb'allah in the summer of '06, and the loss of the House and the Senate in November, all contributed to the rout.

But what really led to the downfall of Bush's leadership was that his premise was false. He wanted to believe, like Condi and Powell and the soft diplomacy crowd, that Islam would negotiate with the West. Islam cannot negotiate. It is their mandate. Still the West continues its pursuit of the impossible despite great risk. This is a function of the Western mind. These people think that it is inconceivable that talk can't solve anything and everything. That war is not indelibly part of the human condition. But it is. War is as much the make-up of man as sex, food, art, love, all of it.

And wars must be fought. They will not disappear, but we will.

Of course we know this. But the left, our in-house enemy, demonizes any war that America chooses to fight. The egregious, horrible crimes of Mao, Stalin, Bin Laden, Che, Pol Pot, Ahmadinejad, et al, which are so heinous, so enormous, are in their terrible minds an historical footnote. They become cultural icons for the "radical chic". Cold blooded monsters have co-opted our country.

And so successful was the left at infiltrating our government, schools, and institutions that eight years after the most heinous attack on American soil, we elected an icon of our mortal enemy. A Kenyan, Indonesian, Third Worlder boulevardier with as much understanding of the American experience as any foreign national. His lack of experience in all relevant areas to the office of the President is breathtaking. And his bowing to Islam and our enemies worldwide is disastrous. 2009 was a nightmare.

Bush's premise was false but Bush was a patriot. Bush loved America and he protected America, even if he refused to see the enemy for who and what it was. It was no accident that America was safe for eight years post 911. Eight years of safety is cracking apart now under a treacherous president. The jihadi attacks on America in 2009 were staggering. And it's only just begun.

The military has suffered its greatest losses month after month under Obama rule. The CIA suffered stunning losses in Afghanistan. Red State reports, “The CIA agents who work in the shadows and the troops in the field talk about Barack Obama in private moments with derision and ridicule. He is a joke to them. Former CIA Operative Wayne Simmons, said the 'catch and release' policy of the administration has reduced CIA morale to a level he describes as 'pathetic, low, horrible.'"

Dismantling the Bush protections against jihad and launching attacks on Americans, bloggers, tea partiers, town hallers, patriots, vets is incomprehensible.

It was the appeasement of the Left that destroyed the foundations of this country. We must build them again. The advancement of Islam would never have been possible, could never have happened, without our surrender to the Left. The real war is against the Leftist/Islamic alliance.

Wow, that is a whole lotta hate right there. Part of what makes us different than our foes is the ability to protect others freedoms as well as our own. If we stoop to these tactics, we have lowered our standards. We do need to crush those who oppose us but not at the expense of our liberty.

There has been general shock at the attempted downing of Northwest Airlines flight 253 over Detroit. It isn’t just that yet another aeroplane terrorist atrocity was averted only by luck and courage after US and British intelligence were caught with their pants down once again. Nor is it just the lax airport security.

Tthe perpetrator, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, is a Nigerian who apparently got his orders from al-Qa’eda in Yemen; that the genesis of the pants bomber’s radical journey lies not in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor in Israel/Palestine, but in Africa.

It was while at school in Togo that Abdulmutallab reportedly adopted the most belligerent version of Islam. As a fully fledged Islamic extremist, he was naturally received with open arms in Londonistan, where he was further radicalised to terrorism before being kitted out in Yemen with the latest accessories of mass murder.

He is first and foremost a religious fanatic — and the crucial context for his extremism is Africa.

Radical Islamists in countries such as Abdulmutallab’s Nigeria, Somalia or the Sudan have been steadily butchering, ethnically cleansing or brutally converting Christians and other ‘infidels’, imposing sharia law at gunpoint and radicalising the continent to the cause of Islamic holy war.
Politicians on both sides of the Atlantic have never told the public the truth. They refuse to say that this is a global religious war waged by militant Islam, because they are terrified of enraging Muslims at home and abroad. This gross failure of leadership has helped create the current mood of defeatism that threatens to bring about the eclipse of the West.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=706

When whole countries seem to celebrate when there is an attack against the Western World, that is a pretty good example of "us" being the enemy to them. Maybe if the leaders of the Muslims, took exception to the terrorist bombings, protesting them, instead of just being silent or even cheering them, maybe their followers would start to listen. But as it is now, I think world wide, non-Muslims are going to start reacting to the "Muslim Threat" as the Muslims are reacting to the "Western Threat". That is, with violence.

If he was smart , he'd be dangerous .

Our constant involvement leads me to believe we more underestimate it......The more we occupy and murder their people, the more we breed hate for us.......Their interpretations of our actions whether it be justified or not (thats another debate) are indicative of this. Remember there was no alqueda in Iraq until we went in there first......

The only way to effectively prevent any terrorist attack is to treat everyone like a potential terrorist.....

We constantly overestimate the cost of said blowback.

Again, we cannot generalize all people in one religion for those mis-representing its values. We routinely ignore our own actions in promoting terrorism which is called "blowback"...... The "Holy Land" has a long history of bloodshed in an effort to control the land for one's religion, and there used to be three religions fighting over it, but now that one of them is all but dead there remains only two...... Why does our own government get involved in war that has lasted centuries and expect to get any different results???

@ahiguy Thank you for the info. The point I was trying to make is that no one speaks for a majority of Muslims. Just like no one speaks for a majority of Christians. Certainly there are groups of Muslims that want to wipe out Israel and its allies. Profiling will only add to that group as would discrimination against any religion. You can not fight the boogie man because the boogie man is everywhere and nowhere.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Mudeiris
This guy is just a pissed off preacher with a TV broadcast.

@corndog67, excuse me? I was unaware of this so called fact. Please show me where I can find the leaders of the Muslim religion declaring or proclaiming that America is the enemy. Not a leader like a catholic priest. I'm talking a pope type leader

So, what would you guys suggest, just let anyone fly unimpeded, at any time? I would quit flying if they did that. Nearly all the terrorist incidents have been done by Muslims. Not all, but nearly all. If profiling them makes things safer, then fucking profile them. If they have a problem with that, take a fucking boat then. As far as history showing that not all terrorists are Muslims, well, right at the moment they are. If things turn around and the Buddhists start blowing shit up, well, profile the Buddhists.

Seriously, the terrorist have more rights to carry shit onto airplanes, than we do to have a safe flight somewhere.

Have you seen the video from Yemen that has been broadcast daily on the major networks, showing hundreds if not thousands of militants training in a camp? What physical/religious profile do these guys fit into? And since the governments seem to know where they are, why wasn't there a drone sent in there to blow them up?

I just don't understand the resistance of a large segment of people, in this country, to try to make things safer for the majority, by taking drastic steps against a religion that has proclaimed that we are the enemy, simply because we don't belong to their religion. And the fact that they are trying to take over the world. And that is not just paranoid delusions, that is a fact.

We got people paid to profile everybody.

Newt is a moron and all of you who think Muslims should be profiled need to check their history books. Many of the terrorist activities in the United States have been perpetrated by Caucasians.

Examples - Theodore Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, Scott Roeder etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

Well first off the Christmas Day/Underwear bomber was not Arabic by race--he was Nigerian and his skin was not "olive" it is "black" and had only converted to the Islamic faith like 2 years ago at most so he would not have been caught by profiling olive skinned, Arabic looking people with Muslim sounding names anyway.

Plus a little remembered fact in the whole novel of facts the Republicans seem to be forgetting in their stampede to blame all this on President Obama is that right after September 11th a crazy white guy walked into a gas station in Phoenix and shot and killed a Hindu man working there because he profiled him based on his race and mistakenly assumed his turban and skin color meant he was of course an Islamic terrorist .

That and Newt best back off before he ruins any chance that Bill O has of successfully ranting about how he was "slandered" and that Dick Wolfe completely lied about him and misunderstood his message when a recent Law and Order:SVU episode featured a character who pointed out that its actually Bill O and Glenn Beck at FOX and friends that are so busy advocating for people to hate on or profile or segregate those who are not Americans or who is here illegally and/or on pretty much anyone who is not white, male and who's surname is not American sounding enough that they miss the bigger picture that obviously profiling and advocating hatred is only going to empower some crazy person to assume that means that Glenn and Bill are okay with these profiled people also being tracked down and killed and its not going to help solve the true and real issues we are facing like the economy or homelessness or the lousy health bill Congress foisted on us.

Oh and my favorite thing in all of this debate is the irony--these yahoo Republicans who are tripping over themselves to say Oh we should profile people based on religion and we should segregate people based on religion--are the same idiots who compare President Obama to Hitler on a regular basis.

And the scanners - makes the providers money - but as soon as they're installed, you'll have someone show up with a rubber full of C4 shoved up his/her butt.
You'll have to have an armored scan cubical where new scanners can detect chem signatures or mass lumps inside the body.

maybe we should also not allow luggage. You go with only your clothes and pick up previously sent items at a kiosk - or buy new stuff.

Well, what is profiling? - Some people have to stare at people and get that feeling.
But you have how many TSA officers? What do you say to them? "Don't look at anybody."
People can get myopic - only look at dark skin, only who they think are Muslims, only at males.
It's got to be a developed skill - many things to hash around in the brain, add up, - size up.
What are things that you teach to observers? Cause every bit of it is profiling.

Surfing the web, one thought leads to another. Alison Kaplan Sommer asks what Israel can teach the U.S. about airport security. Her theme--Israel looks for the terrorist, while we look for the weapon--is one that we wrote about as early as 2002, and again in 2006. Sommer quotes a Toronto Star article:

Before you arrive at the main check-in counter, you stand in a security line where a young, clearly intelligent man or woman examines your passport and ticket, looks straight into your eyes, and asks you about who you are, where you came from, where you are heading, who packed your luggage, and whether you are carrying any packages for anyone.

That was our experience when we traveled to Israel; I talked about this on Bill Bennett's show yesterday. The Israeli security guy, who actually seemed more like a tourism official, took about thirty seconds to determine that my wife and I weren't terrorists and moved on to someone else. We went through security with our shoes on.

The Israeli system is obviously safer than ours, but we can't adopt it. Why? Because it consists essentially of profiling. Sure, it's mostly behavior profiling, but here in the U.S. it is unacceptable to say publicly that a young Muslim man traveling light, for no apparent purpose, who answers questions vaguely and nervously, is suspicious. We couldn't even send the traveling imams on their way without cash reparations. Another way of putting the difference between the Israelis and us is that they are serious and we aren't.

Way to go GOP! Glad to see that your fat old white man party is working on resolving the terrorist issue. Question is how many fat old white men have raped thousands out of 401k investments and jobs (talking Enron, Madoff, AIG, etc..) We may need to use the same discriminatory advice to vet our corporate CEO's.

They can't do that...

"Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

To profile Muslims is to prohibit their right to freely exercise their religion. We don't do that here in America. That is how the Holocaust started.

Using full body scanning technology on everyone is great idea, only the American public gets really pissed when you delay them. Now I realize this isn't going to be popular but during my time in the big sand box while we didn't limit ourselves to profiling and actively discriminating against a certain section of society. This practice is successful. Sorry but it's true.

Most of the comments i see are ridiculous. The people who keep attempting acts of terror are not 15 years old girls from california. 9/10 are young arab males. If profiling helps save a life, well than there just going to have to deal with it.

problem with his idea is that most terrorists who get caught dont fit the description of what one would think of as being a terrorist

"protecting the rights of terrorists has been more important than protecting the lives of Americans."

Thanks Newt! I forgot how many times America was attacked by terrorists under Obama's Administration!

...wait a minute...

Here's another gem of wisdom: "one hundred percent of the Islamic terrorists are Muslim"

One hundred percent of idiot republicans are morons, btw.

Whether or not you agree with Newt depends on this- the last time you were on a plane, did you in any sense feel in danger from any obvious Muslims that may have been on the plane with you? Answering no may mean that you are an ignorant fool, answering yes may mean that you are a bigoted racist. Lying about your answer means that you are a liar. It is uncommon for a politician to be so forth coming, for that I must pat Newt on the back...(and slap him on the wrist for being a bigot)

Always it's the fresh ideas from the GOP.

what is the profile for the typical serial killer? oh i know!! white male from his mid twenties to however old BTK was. they should have used that profile with the DC snipers bc it would have really worked out, right? shld we be making an enemy of the very pple who will be the first to discover a covert terror attempt on the us.

Let's be honest.
Open religious profiling will never happen. Get in this line if you're Muslim, this line if you're not- yeah right. Some serious changes to the Constitution would have to be made. On top of that there are still people alive who remember the Japanese internment camps during WW2 and how that turned out...

Ethics and Constitution aside, this would be a logistics nightmare. Background checks on all flight passengers? Yeah right. Plus, focusing security on known Muslims would lighten security on everyone else. Making it easy for a terrorist with non/hidden Muslim affiliation to operate. The system makes no sense tactically and would actually be counterproductive.

Newt knows this, they all do. This is nothing more than political pandering. Newt is just creating solidarity among the racists and anti-Muslims in America for his run for the Presidency in 2012.

So Much Hate in the World, Maybe The Next Decade Will be Much Better

Newt Gingrich and Phil Donahue: twins separated at birth?

I'm not in the habit of defending someone who I feel is one of the sleaziest and least ethical members of our government, but in this instance he is using the original meaning of the word discriminate.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discrimination
"The quality of being discriminating; acute discernment; as to show great discrimination in the choice of means."

Not that I am defending his attitude at all here, and his statement may have the actual effect of what he said. The reason the term has gotten it's other meanings is because of the effect of the first one. He should know better.

@02, If you profile a religion, want to be terrorists will just hide their religious affiliations.

I don't think the idea is so haywire. It's political points-talk and therefore not genuine - however, - Muslims are the terrorists that are being discussed.
If profiled, such a system may in fact catch things.
It might well miss things because of it as well. If you're shaking down some family while a guy in priests robes haul dynamite past in his backpack, that wouldn't do.

But also, being afraid to look is a fairly undeveloped screening procedure. Ill defined. Wide open.

PC is fun but - maybe stupid.

I was wondering if it would apply to American born Muslims? Such an awful idea. Newt needs to be shouted down by every freedom loving American.

Whoa....

1692 - if you were a women, you were potentially a witch and had to prove that were not

2010 - if you are a Muslim, you are potentially a terrorist and have to prove that you are not....

This does not sit right with me. I understand the need to protect the nation, but profiling based on religious beliefs??? This would set a very DANGEROUS precedence and take civil liberties back to the dark ages...

Not to mention, if the 'terrorists' (be it homegrown or foreign) REALLY want to cause MASS devastation, they will find ways to do it, and no amount of 'profiling' will be able to prevent it.

I have to add also that this is rediculous that it is being sold as a partisan issue... neither party has done well in preventing such attacks and this has been ongoing since the 90s....

I gather, then, that so long as the terrorists self-identify as Christian or Buddhist or Taoist or whatever -- so long as it isn't Muslim -- they will escape Genius Gingrich's ultra-sophisticated identification mechanism? You have to admit, though, that it really is funny to watch The Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight riding again. Where do the Repubs FIND these guys -- hee hee.