Police Murder Father in Front of His 2-year-old Daughter

I have heard, through the grapevine and yet to be verified, that the original call was made by a social worker...which without the facts we can only guess what the circumstances were, but in my opinion there isn't a worse combination in a domestic situation than social workers and police.

At this point, the only evidence that the father had threatened to hurt his child is coming from the word of the police involved.

CPS rears its ugly head again..... you will be hard pressed to find any more info on that aspect.... 2 yr old girls are very proffitable for their SS Title IV funding......

Amen to that.

the law is always harder on black people,and poor people. I dont feel I was sterotyping, Im sorry if you feel that way. just speaking what is known to be fact. and what about the camera ideal, no comment on that?

"Was that guy Black" is not close to being as bad a commit that the banned guy made.That a legitimate question. I'm Black.

Stop fishing.

Thank you for acknowledging what everyone else is currently debating. That comment based upon the TOS does qualify as bigotry.

It doesn’t make one lick of difference that African Americans face increased police scrutiny just as in a rebuttal of racism it doesn’t matter whether or not African Americans commit more crimes then whites. The moral and logical arguments supported by true civil rights activists and the body of anti-discrimination laws in place within this country are absolutely at odds with the statement.

A true advocate of tolerance should be able to apply the same insights into race and race relations to other groups such as police officers. Therefore if you truly support anti-discrimination laws and the argument that it’s morally and logically apprehensible to type cast an INDIVIDUAL or INDIVIDUAL SITUATION by the perceived shortcomings of the group he/she belongs to, you should at least be able to admit fault.

Ricky,

This is not a right or wrong issue, and to imply that "was he Black" statement is bigoted, is to imply that someone is injured by the statement. Prejudice, racism, and bigotry, contrary to myth, all have different meaning. Bigotry, more than civil rights, is truly a human rights issue. When a pattern of abuse remains prevalent in the same ethnic group of people on a global level, people have the right to ask that question. If someone is stone to death in the Middle East for rumored prostitution or whatever, people always ask, "was it a woman" ? It does not change the fact that a crime has been committed, but certain patterns of abuse amongst certain genders, races, age groups, and social economic groups of people need to be addressed. Numbers are misleading sometimes, but when abuse is the issue, numbers amongst, certain classifications of people can be pin pointed.

Case and point. A person is ripped out for a large amount of money in a telemarketing scam. Statistics tell us that this predominately happens to the elderly, so if someone is to ask the question, "was the victim an older person", you'd have to say that the question deserves merit. Was he Black, is not hypocritical or bigoted. Unnecessary physical restraint, abuse of the law, and people killed by police is a greater issue in the Black community than it is in any other community,here in the U.S. It can happen anywhere, but it happens most in the Black community. In Poland, England, France or Russia it's the case, but here in the United States, until things change, the question remains valid.

Attorney General Eric Holder made a comment that some criticized him for when he took office. He said, " America has behaved like a coward, when it comes to the issue of race". I agree 100%. He meant that, as a people, we have to stop sweeping the conversation of race underneath the rug, if you want people to stop bring up the past. "Why can't we be friends", "don't worry be happy", "can't we all get along" are moral cliches for healing, but they do not address the root causes of race relation issues in this country.

Not wanting to talking about anything has never made the problem go away.

Sounds like a load of apologist non-sense. The term racist and bigot are often interchangeable because all racists are bigots.

“Bigotry, more than civil rights, is truly a human rights issue.”

And racism is what a Martian issue?

“When a pattern of abuse remains prevalent in the same ethnic group of people on a global level, people have the right to ask that question.”

People usually have the right to say anything. The question was whether or not it was bigoted and not if it was allowed. At rate hate your rebuttal is ridiculously egotistical and more than likely not a universal concept you apply to most or all things.

Here’s a hypothetical question for you. If you respond at all to my post I’d really like to know your heart-felt honest opinion of this.

A group of colleges are at a work party. Several of them are listening to a coworker describe her relationship with her soon to be ex-husband. In the middle of the conversation, while the woman describes how her husband cheated on her and abandoned the family one of her colleges blurts out of no where, “Was he black?”

Even though a lot of men cheat on their wives around the world and even though the divorce rate is higher among African Americans most people would find that question to be bigoted or racist inquiry. To be honest it doesn’t even matter whether or not it was a racist inquiry. That type of stuff is just mind-in-the-gutter-thinking. How can the coworker honestly make an assumption into the ethnicity of the husband without even knowing if the husband was guilty of adultery and abandoning his family?

“If someone is stone to death in the Middle East for rumored prostitution or whatever, people always ask, "was it a woman" ?”

No they don’t. Men are stoned in the middle east too.

“It does not change the fact that a crime has been committed, but certain patterns of abuse amongst certain genders, races, age groups, and social economic groups of people need to be addressed.”

You don’t even know the race of the victim and your already pushing racism as the cause. This is insanity.

“Statistics tell us that this predominately happens to the elderly, so if someone is to ask the question, "was the victim an older person", you'd have to say that the question deserves merit.”

No this is not a proper analogy. First off your basing the whole thing on the assumption that you know an elderly person was scammed. You can’t say the same thing about the actions of the police. Your logical train of thought is missing a couple of important steps.

“Was he Black, is not hypocritical or bigoted. Unnecessary physical restraint, abuse of the law, and people killed by police is a greater issue in the Black community than it is in any other community,”

The sense of entitlement in that statement is astounding. First off stop telling about the black community because I’m kinda black too. Secondly the charge I laid at your feet has not so much to do with the black community as it does with the police community. In other words just because it’s true that blacks are discriminated more than whites that doesn’t give you the right to frame any and call police event as racist, especially when you don’t even know if a crime has been committed.

“Attorney General Eric Holder made a comment”
Great.

" America has behaved like a coward, when it comes to the issue of race". I agree 100%. He meant that, as a people, we have to stop sweeping the conversation of race underneath the rug, if you want people to stop bring up the past. "

This is ridiculous. Again you don’t even know the race of the victim. Additionally just because I’m asking to reserve your judgment until you actually know the details that does not mean or even imply that I don’t understand or am unaware of race related problems in this country.

“Not wanting to talking about anything has never made the problem go away.”

Oh yeah because I really just wasted ten minutes of my time b

JIBBERISH......

One certainty of fact is that as of late where ever I show up, You appear. That a fact that I'm well aware of.

dont be paranoid keith... this is a public site......

The comment or issue Think_Free rejected argued that because the man might have been a minority then the whole event as described by the police were questionable at best.

This is no where near what was described in the article you submitted. You can’t compare the conviction and or execution rate of women and men in Iran to the arrest/death rate of black and white individuals detained or arrested by the police. Not only are you trying to compare widely different situations you’re also trying to say the reasons or motives behind the higher rates are the same when they clearly are not.

As the article describes women are more likely to be convicted and executed in Iran because they are poorly educated and receive poor representation. I would argue that an individuals education at the very least wouldn’t influence the way an individual interacts with a police officer in the same way that your level of education would affect the verdict of a judge or jury. Furthermore rarely if ever does another party represent an individual being detained by a police officer Come on dude this is text book apples to oranges.

Anways getting back to the point I keep forgetting to make. You know you’re profiling right? Calling into question the legitimacy of a single occurrence based solely on the issue of race is absolutely no different then when a cop detains, questions, interrogates an individual based solely on the color of their skin.

“Statistics tell us that this predominately happens to the elderly, so if someone is to ask the question, "was the victim an older person", you'd have to say that the question deserves merit. Was he Black, is not hypocritical or bigoted.”

Sigh…

Statistics mean nothing at the individual level. That’s why anti-discrimination laws are in place in this country, that’s why cops nowadays in many areas are being trained to not profile individuals based on race and most importantly that’s why Klansmen and white pride nationalists are still regarded as bigoted morons because basing your opinion on reality solely on statistical evidence forged on paper is a pathetically lazy way of getting by in this world. From the position of an advocate of tolerance it’s counterproductive. No matter how effective the statistics are at revealing the complexities of life the acceptance of that mode of thinking is exactly what advocates of equality are supposed to be against.

"Statistics mean nothing at the individual level. That’s why anti-discrimination laws are in place in this country, that’s why cops nowadays in many areas are being trained to not profile individuals based on race and most importantly that’s why Klansmen and white pride nationalists are still regarded as bigoted morons because basing your opinion on reality solely on statistical evidence forged on paper is a pathetically lazy way of getting by in this world. From the position of an advocate of tolerance it’s counterproductive. No matter how effective the statistics are at revealing the complexities of life the acceptance of that mode of thinking is exactly what advocates of equality are supposed to be against."

THAT'S GAGA Ricky,

This is 2010, and cops in America are still having to be trained not to profile individuals based on race, creed,gender, or dolor. That should tell you something, if your listening. The reason why people are still asking this question is because, it is still happening. Not asking is not going to make it go away. Cops don't tell on cops, and very few judges, and prosecutors in this country convict cops of wrong doing. Until that changes, nothing's going to change in America. Until the economic climate changes in the African American community changes, the crime level won't change. Until the disproportionate level of minimal tax dollars that are sprinkled into our communities change, the educational conditions will never change. People are not inherently born angry, their born into conditions that breed, ignorance, anger, and violence. If nothing changes, nothing changes. Your statements are defending a system by design. BTW, just asking. Doing you live in the U.S. ?

Are most men locked up in the penal system in America Black, and what's the difference in that question, and the question that the lady ask that I'm defending ? Both questions are factual, and valid. The shameful truth in this country is that, the words "Black" and "crime" have become synonymous whether you like it or not. Forget the statistics, try changing the facts. The penal system in America is nothing more than "Modern Day Slavery. The deaf, dumb, and blind can see that Ricky. I think that you're just being stubborn for the sake of trying sound smart in an intellectual debate. But it's cool.....whatever.

I'm done.

“This is 2010, and cops in America are still having to be trained not to profile individuals based on race, creed,gender, or dolor.”

Like you’re any different. You profile the actions of individuals based on race too. Sounds to me like a perfect case of do what I say and not as I do.

“The reason why people are still asking this question is because, it is still happening.”

This is a straw man rebuttal. I never denied racial issues in this country.

“Not asking is not going to make it go away.”

Again with the straw man argument. I am asking questions and I am challenging bigoted mindsets. The problem is that you don’t consider your actions or belief set to be bigoted in any way.

“ Your statements are defending a system by design.”

That’s such a bullshit statement. The only thing I’ve defended in this entire thread is anti-discrimination laws the philosophy of tolerance that you don’t understand.

“Doing you live in the U.S.”

Yup

“Are most men locked up in the penal system in America Black, and what's the difference in that question, and the question that the lady ask that I'm defending ? Both questions are factual, and valid.”

The difference is that you never drew that comparison. You did however claim that it was ok to profile the actions of this police officer based on the race of his attacker, and then you went on to justify this obviously bigoted nonsense by bringing up stoning in Iran.

“The shameful truth in this country is that, the words "Black" and "crime" have become synonymous whether you like it or not.”

Again with the straw man arguments. I never denied the racial issues in this country.

“Forget the statistics”

How about you forget the statistics since that’s the central theme of your argument and not mine.

“I think that you're just being stubborn for the sake of trying sound smart in an intellectual debate.”

And I don’t think you have courage or humility to honestly re-evaluate your perception of the world and people.

are you for real? or a cop yourself. The law have been becoming increasinly aggressive for some time now and only here would they have shot him with bullets. What about shooting his tires? moving out of his way wounding him not killing him. There always is a better way.

Why is it that people always defend cops in these situations with even no information on the details? Cops are basically morons with guns above the law. By definition they are terrorists in a civil society. Every thing they do should be questioned and they should be held accountable and considered guilty of doing wrong until proven otherwise.

@kstein
Are you sure that cops are getting more aggressive, or perhaps the media and the internet are just bringing it into plain site more. Very rarely do we have cases like this (relative to the the number of cases where the suspect is not killed) and when we do, they get blown out of proportion by the sensationalized media and over-zealous bloggers. Realistically, you have to take in to account the hundreds of thousands of arrests that go down very cleanly as well as the thousands of others where it does result in bloodshed, but the public opinion favors law enforcement's use of force.You must accept that at least in one of these numerous arrests an innocent victim or an actual criminal is going to get accidentally get shot and possibly die. It is a sad fact but I am willing to accept because of the good that the police force does as a whole. Basically, I believe that police save more lives than they take in error. This will be the case with any peace keeping force and surely you would agree that law enforcement is needed. When a situation arises where a suspect is killed by police, the best law enforcement can do is learn from that situation so that it may not happen in the future. Lastly, I am not a cop but I can imagine how difficult it could be. Having to decide to shoot with mere seconds must have been a terrible choice for the offending officer in this case. I doubt that he wanted to kill the suspect, just an unlucky shot. Now he lives with that. That shot may also have saved some lives. Cops face tough decisions everyday, and like most people cops are not perfect and the make mistakes and have flaws. In this situation one cop acted on a split second decision to fire, and the results ended badly, but not as bad as they could have been, So please do not attack the entire institution of law enforcement because of one (or several, if we include other overblown instances) officer's split-second decision.

@JonRaymond

It seems I am the only one defending the cops and mainly because of the point you brought up, we don't know the full details. I am sorry you have such a negative view of law enforcement. Surely you realize they are needed in our society. that order is needed. Your current way of life depends on it. I also think you are wrong in your view of cops as terrorist. unless you mean scaring would be criminals (which is probably what you mean but are trying to frame it as darkly as possible). Don't you think that a more bureaucratic law enforcement system would actually be less efficient? Not just financially, but more importantly in its ability to prevent and stop crime? The more paperwork and procedures that go into making arrests the less incentive it gives the cops to make arrests or confront suspects. Criminals knowing that cops aren't motivated and are too scared to shoot (for fear of getting the department involved in a media scandal and loosing his/her badge) will act more heinous.

In situations like this incident, the officers involved should be investigated, and I am sure they will be. My points are: Law Enforcement are needed. There will inherently be unintentional deaths that occur because of Law Enforcement being humans (humans make mistakes and act on instinct, misinformation and/or emotion).. Attacking the entire institution of law enforcement because of an unintentional killing by one officer is akin to attacking the entire religion of Islam because some Muslims are terrorists, or blaming an entire fast-food chain for the actions of a single employee.

just because statistically these instances are rare does not diminish the seriousness of the actions of the officers who over step their bounds and act irrationally, then lie to cover it up.... How many instances of police brutality go unnoticed or covered up?? It happens often in my town... its called blue on blue.....

Forced to wear a camera, they should want to wear a camera. If nothing else it would show the amount of shit that they have to put up with.

Cameras not only protect police, but citizens as well... when a cop is faced with an accusation of sexual assault he is also assumed to be guilty, the only time any of them have been aquitted is when there was evidence in form of a video that the complaint was not true......

That , is a good idea .

I've been saying this for years. They actually put cameras on some police tazers so the idea is not new to them!

no ricky it is not new, but it is still a threat to the majority of the police force....

Yep it's hard to say they fought back when you have video of them in cuffs being beat like a pinata. I have some friends that get beat down every time they go to jail. I don't go any where with them I don't have a desire to get beat by cops for any reason what so ever.