Feds Stop Child Support Collection Firm
source: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/feds-stop-child-support-collection-firm-123109
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Parents are confused because they have contracts and what they believe to be are court orders to pay Child Support Services. Chances are that the paper is actually worthless.
Laconya Stephens was caught up in a worthless contract with Child Support Services that cost him a lot of money until, he said, a judge ordered him to ignore it.
Child Support Services is a private company that is supposed to administer child support payments. A court document said the company often kept the money for "personal use" instead of sending it to parents.
Stephens got a break; a judge put an end to his relationship with the company he thought was managing his child support payments. James Leverette wasn't as lucky.
When Leverette talked to the I-Team in 2008, he said Child Support Services started taking money out of his paycheck and said they'd arrest him if he didn't cooperate.
"Basically, they were, like, they can suspend my license, garnish, basically the main thing they told me garnish my wages," he said.
What wasn't clear to parents before is now written in black and white.
Court paperwork documenting the federal government's investigation into Child Support Services said the company can't garnish your paycheck unless it has a court order to do so.
Investigators said they haven't found one yet.
"If you are getting your wages garnished supposedly for child support and you have a received a court order, you need to take it down to the clerk of court to verify that it indeed is issued by the district court in your area," said Yulanda Burns with the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.
Mail and checks sent to the company's rented mailbox are being confiscated by the government. Not all parents know that yet, so they keep sending money.
For the time being, the government is keeping it until they sort out the case.
If you're in a similar situation and confused about what to do, call the Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs or the U.S. Postal Inspection Serivce.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/feds-stop-child-support-collection-firm-123...
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jubal
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Privatization of child support payments is heinous to the children. This type of collections should be left up to the Justice Department of each state.
- 2 years ago
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jubal
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justadad
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jubal:
Sounds like the DOJ NOW wanting to slide former "unconstitutional dealings" beneath the rug.
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justadad
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regjoeschmo
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Just in 2005 California had $26,211,026 in undistributed funds...... Your personal experiance is small in relation to what is actually happening on a larger scale..... Read my comment(s) above and look into the links if you want to see how the system really works.....
- 2 years ago
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regjoeschmo
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Incredulous
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regjoeschmo:
and they want to manage healthcare?
- 2 years ago
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Incredulous
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corndog67
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Ok, went off on a tangent (deadbeat dads). Sorry. My experience with the CA state collecting child support, well, county actually, is they pay every dime of it to the mother, and tack a weekly collection fee on top of it. But this is a county deal, not private.
- 2 years ago
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corndog67
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MoonLoon
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To add some additional comments from my perspective: Private collection agencies should not be involved in collecting legally mandated payments. My experience with collection agencies has led me to believe that most of them fall in the middle ground between attorneys and loan sharks; not a very attractive middle ground, as they all work on a commission basis. However, I do support the timely payments of child support.
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MoonLoon
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treewolf39
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MoonLoon:
I do agree with you. Thank you for your candid thoughts.
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treewolf39
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Guyatthebusstation
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MoonLoon:
When i was younger i worked for teh Consumer Resource Center (part of the WA ATG). My job was to listen to people complain and try to help them. (when a buisness fucks them over). I had to deal with so many CA it wasn't even funny. The state law gives the rules by which they were suppose to operate, but they only acknowledged them when i called them out on it. Then they would have to review it for weeks and weeks before they did what the law says. It sucks to because we only had 15ish lawyers who worked on bringing justice to crooked buisness, which meant we only did a full investigation or took them to litigation if they were the worst of the worst, which meant of the 15,000 complaints we got a year, most flew under the radar.
- 2 years ago
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Guyatthebusstation
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regjoeschmo
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Im wondering why an article about how a private company forced people to pay child support and never distributed it to the children has turned into a "bashing deadbeats" forum...... It is clear that these people wanted to support their children, but instead they were just paying an extortion racket. Add into that the amount of undistributed child support nationwide and we have a serious problem that our own government is involved in themselves. Lets not forget that women are substantially more likeley to default on payments 60% vs 20%........
Yes it is the people who refuse to pay when they can that give the rest of us a bad name, but why the witch hunt?? Why am I forced to defend the 80% of men who pay on time all of the time when it is exposed that there are millions of dollars that are not reaching the children at the fault of the organizations who are meant to ensure their well being??? These people get paid very well for doing their jobs (60K for some in NJ)... Where does that money come from?? There is no way they would be able to get paid this much if we had a true epidemic of non-payments. It is indicative uring this economic climate that they are also attacking those who had paid on a regular basis before the recession hit us. Why?? Because it is a loss of revenue!!
http://current.com/items/89588368_our-tax-dollars-at-work-ss-title-iv-d.htm
- 2 years ago
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regjoeschmo
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MoonLoon
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I have a great deal of sympathy for "Reg", "Tree Wolf", in their particular situation. I am 100% against using restriction of visitation rights as punishment against Fathers. I supported a step-son for 20 years while his natural Father paid no support and started another family in a distant state. However, I asked my wife not to cause any problems that might cause a rift between my step-son and his Father, my judgement proved to be correct. Unfortunately, after 20 years of marriage, I was forced to divorce at my wife's request. We were in a community property state and I agreed to the child support formula without getting a lawyer or going to court, as I loved my children. Unfortunately, I lost a job that I had held for 22 years, then suffered a near fatal case of pneumonia, not covered by COBRA. I exhausted 20 years of IRA money to cover the child support and medical expenses, while unemployed and ill. Now, at 59 years old, I still send $2,000 a month to my daughters for graduate school (they are 22 and 23 yrs. old), thus my reason for working in Nigeria. But anyway, my point is that I do understand that we cannot all predict the situations that life may bring us too, and certainly any man doing his best for his family has my respect. The men that have forgotten or neglected their children are not held highly in my esteem.
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MoonLoon
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MotherForTruth
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MoonLoon:
Thank you for being a great dad and sharing your story. It is very important to for people to know about great dads.
- 2 years ago
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MotherForTruth
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corndog67
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Lots of excuses, but if you have kids, pay for them. Way too many people have kids and walk away. How many single mothers out there are not getting anything, having to rely on welfare or a minimum wage job because she had a kid with an asshole that thinks that having 5 kids with 5 different mothers makes him a real man? In jail and the payments are backing up? Stay the fuck out of jail. I'm not talking black, white, hispanic, asian, or anything else. Your kids should come first. Not a bag of weed. Not your cigarettes. Not a bottle of beer. Your kids. Pissed off because they are making you pay for medical insurance for your kid? Tough shit. Like I said. A lot of excuses for being less than a man.
If you think that is harsh, well, if you let your kid grow up in stark poverty, and refuse to help raise them correctly, even though you are capable, not making sure they get an education, have a roof over their head, not getting good nutrition, you are fucked and should never have had any kids. They don't stand a chance.
- 2 years ago
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corndog67
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treewolf39
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@moonloon, I have met ladies who where collecting child-support from two different fathers. Recently one of these ladies had another child. She wanted another child but had no intention of staying with the father or giving him any parental rights. He is young and untrained for any worthy employment( as if jobs were available). My point is each parent should each be 100% responsible for their children. It is not as black and white as it seems.
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treewolf39
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treewolf39
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http://familycourtmafia.blogspot.com/
I learned a ton on this site. - 2 years ago
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treewolf39
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regjoeschmo
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treewolf39:
http://legallykidnapped.blogspot.com/
Try this one as well......
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regjoeschmo
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regjoeschmo
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http://www.dadsamerica.org/2007missingfunds.htm
And again I have to ask, why is the government not getting in trouble for doing the same exact thing.....
$485,491,812 for all 50 states in one year (2005) undistributed CS......
- 2 years ago
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regjoeschmo
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Guyatthebusstation
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regjoeschmo:
by chance did you read teh article in the seattle times a few months ago (trying hunting it down but couldn't find it, to many DSHS suits). A man from wenatchee (construction worker, making a good wage but not rich) was over paying his CS by thousands each year. He wasn't contacted and when he discovered the error, and tried to contact DSHS about the mistake. DSHS told him that he didn't catch the error soon enough and would not be subject to a refund. It took him getting a lawyer and waiting 6mth-yr to get the check after they admitted their mistake.
I know this isn't an unusual thing but it was so dumb.
side note; when i was in college i interned at the WA ATG. I worked for DSHS lawyers for a few months (mostly on termination of parental rights cases). The DSHS lawyers are always out for blood and (all of them women) hated men. I remember one case where part of their eveidence was about a kid who cut his own hair. The dad was mad cause he told the kid not to (a boy). SO the dad buzz cut all of his hair off. The state argued that it was physical abuse. So Lame. I never found out if the State were sucsessful or not.
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Guyatthebusstation
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regjoeschmo
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regjoeschmo:
Your experiance is invaluable, if you want to expose this on a larger level please let me know.....
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regjoeschmo
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bailey78
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What a scam. they are taking the money that should be going to feed and support children. They should be held on fraud charges at the very least. I would also see a (I hate to say) lawyer about just where my money went. Also about how to get what ever they took from my child support back for the child. I guess anytime you are dealing with money. there is going to be some kind of fraud involved all to often it's the children that suffer.
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bailey78
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treewolf39
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Child services of California put my daughter in a foster home for a month and a half and the social worker in charge of the case refused to return my phone calls. Finally my daughter's mother, who was in jail, was able to get a judge to review the case and get another social worker to contact me. A week later I had full custody of my child. No action was ever taken against the social worker who lied and said she was unable to contact me. For a month and a half my 10 year old thought I didn't want her. That social worker is the only person I have malice in my heart toward.
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treewolf39
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coleslaw
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Dude, forget that. system is wak
Dad dipped long time ago, he appeard only to give the mom the check.
Court order says he had to pay for health insurance, our morgage pay ment and child support.
he did for two months. then stopped paying, but not calling, and denying and then saying he had no money, even tho, he was the owner of the second biggest pluming businees in Washington.
my brother broke his leg in football..went to the hospital,guess what, No Insurance. My mom had to pay up front, or however they do that.us human beings just need to learn to understand ourselves and other people. Learn that there are levels of being a human being. others are on differentmoods,and different thoughts, thoughts become different theen action, you get in a slump, feel pressure, way easier to run then face it. When you choose to start a family, understand that your actions effect 2, 3, 4 ,5 how ever many people you create; to depend on you, you have to watch your actions.
Adults talk about stress, they work all the time, deal with bills and just everyday stuff...
So my conclusion at 18 years old is to wait on relation and creating people to depend on me to find my way, get my self on track. Experiance life, enjoy people, dates things that just relieave the child in ya. Cause childhood, is fun care free..
Once is gone, and your like... damn i want a differennt experiance and creat someone like me, and meet someone like me, maybe experiance things with that person. then decide.
This annoys me. Future is coming.
us kids maybe not so intelectual and smart, tho there are some in are generation, but dude, Us kids want peace. Us kids want to learn and not the economy bull shit. man made to beat in life a goal made. What are goal as human?just pissed come on now. pay the 200 a month.
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coleslaw
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regjoeschmo
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coleslaw:
I cant say exactly what happened in your case, but the standard CS payment for someone making $10/hour is over $100/week...... The number one reason why the 60% of the 20% of the men who do not pay CS do so because they are not allowed to see their child and cannot afford the payments. Still no reason to not pay if you can, but sometimes people succumb to their feelings. They are but human...... If your mother was a single mother than you as the children would have been taken care of by state healthcare. Not to mention that football leagues have their own insurance policies themselves.....
Could it be possible these stories were exaggerated, and your dad was told certain things would happen and when they didnt he stopped paying as a result of the lies??
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regjoeschmo
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Monkey_Films
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That was perfect, Keithponder.
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Monkey_Films
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Kylsport
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That really sux.
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Kylsport
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Progresshiv
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My father married a woman who had four children, adopted those children, and then was ordered to pay child support shortly after he and my stepmother divorced. Stepmom immediately returned to living with her first husband, but Dad was stuck with child support payments for 5 years. He had a shellshocked look for the rest of his life, which was shortened by the stress of this ordeal.
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Progresshiv
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regjoeschmo
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Progresshiv:
Washington State has legislation that allows this to happen even without adoption. Once married there is an obligation to pay such support. Meaning that a woman can divorce multiple times and recieve multiple payments.....
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regjoeschmo
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Progresshiv
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Progresshiv:
How convenient.
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Progresshiv
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MotherForTruth
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Progresshiv:
It is so wrong!
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MotherForTruth
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artemis6
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Progresshiv:
Don't get married !
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artemis6
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regjoeschmo
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Progresshiv:
Thats like saying noone should trust the "other gender"..... Its more like people should not be given such incentives to take advantage of systems meant to help people who are truly in need of assistance.....
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regjoeschmo
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keithponder
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I talked to a friend,Friday night, who was recently released from jail on Rice street, here in Atlanta, after spending 6 months locked up driving on a suspended license. It was his 3rd offense. He told me that the majority of men in lock up were there for no payment of child support. He said that they were 95% African American who between the ages of 18 to 40 years of age. The problem, he said, was that most of them had been there for 3 to 4 moths, and there child support payments were on going, even if they were locked up. It creates a double standard. How do you pay when you're locked up and how do you find work once you're released with a criminal record. In Georgia, non payment of child support is a crime.. The courts, btw, are making a ton of money off of these illegal collection firms. Every municipal court in the United States of America has ties with this collection firms. The court is nothing but a bank. THE WORD BENCH, IN LATIN, MEANS BANK.
My daughter is 19 years old. Her mother and I split when she was 4. We've remained friends over the years however. When My daughter was 6 years old,her mother filed a tax return, showing that she was head of her household. The State of Georgia, without complaint from her mother, tried hard to intervene into or relationship, by demanding that I start making child support payment to her mother, through the State. We both had to go to court and argue with a prosecutor that didn't know a damn thing about neither one of us or our relationship, go to the Department of Family and Children Services, then hire an attorney just to make the State butt out of our personal affairs. Over the years, I raised my daughter, and my step-son, from outside of their home. I'm the Father to both of them, and very good friends with their Mother, as is my wife. We have what some call a "blended family".
There are dead beat Fathers out there, but some of these men just need to be given a fair chance to do the right thing.
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regjoeschmo
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keithponder:
I applaud you and your ex for being able to put the children first. Not many people realize the state does this to collect revenue....
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regjoeschmo
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MotherForTruth
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keithponder:
Thank you for sharing your personal story. Your daughter is one of the lucky children to benefit from your close involvement in her life. Despite some beliefs children need their fathers.
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MotherForTruth
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MoonLoon
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keithponder:
It is a sad fact of life for incarcerated or unemployed fathers, but the child support is still owed, as the children's need for food, clothes, housing, and school does not end when the Father hits a rough spot in the road. Staying out of jail is a good idea. Paying child support on time is another good idea, thus avoiding jail for non-payment. I have no sympathy for a Father to refusing to sacrifice for their children; neither do I feel that it is taxpayer's responsibilty to fill the breech for unresponsible parents.
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MoonLoon
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regjoeschmo
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keithponder:
moonloon, does the clause for "ability to pay" only work one way?? Debtors prison is illegal, but with the propaganda surrounding CS, it is allowed. What has it done to benefit the children to make it more difficult for a person who has to pay to get a job in the first place?? Throughout this past year, I have been unable to get jobs because I did not have a valid liscense, I had lost a job because the CSE office refused to garnish the wages for one of my children and tell me which account was not being paid so I could pay it myself. Causing me to take time off of work and be deemed unreliable..... I am now working near 2 hours away from my house and the children are the ones who suffer by losing so much time with their father..... They ask me why and tell me they miss me, but I can only tell them that I have to work, and hopefully we will have more time together in the future.
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regjoeschmo
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2hellnwait
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The scams played upon the innocent by unscrupulous con artists seem to be endless, the irony is that as soon as they're shut down, they move across town, state or country and open another just like it under another name and wallah!. . . business as usual.
What is even more ironic is that often these scam artists operate for years, and many never come to justice - 2 years ago
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Steward2
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I apologize for the dble post.
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Steward2
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Steward2
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Additional info.
Feds stop child support collection firm
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Steward2
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MotherForTruth
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Steward2:
Thank you for including the video. I tried but it did not add to original post.
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MotherForTruth
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Monkey_Films
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Great article, motherfortruth, I've wondered about corruption in this system for a long time. It seems it would be easy for any private agency to pull this. They have bully power to keep most paying who can't afford an attorney once a month.
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Monkey_Films
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regjoeschmo
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All the hoopla about deadbeats and we find a company who is exploiting the system... I wonder why they do not do this for the states who fail to pay out the CS they collect... it adds up to millions each year......
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regjoeschmo
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regjoeschmo:
Correction. It adds up to BILLIONS each year.
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regjoeschmo:
thats right.. i was thinking of only state while talking federal.....
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regjoeschmo