Is Ron Paul Serious About Blowback In 1979 From A 1953 Coup?!?

I dont get why liberals hate him so much. Ron paul has devoted his life to the preservation of true american values and above all peace. Peace and tolerance is what lefties are all about. Thats until you disagree with them and they freak out. Thats right before they call you a racist or homophobe.

you think unimatrix is a green monster? You sure this isn't the ganja legalization or UFO thread?

This is the most irate post I've ever seen out of you. It's almost like she profaned the name of your God... Oh wait...

You're right, there were plenty of special interests trying to silence Paul, from FOX, to CNN, to ABC, to the rest of the government backed oligopolized 6 major media networks that all have their statist agendas. I agree with you, his message did not spread far....the statists made sure of it. (The current 2 party system).

cztheday,

There you go again with your BS. Not sure about others but we are NOT a groupy. We admire Dr. Paul but only because of his message is what ours has been and because of his long unblemished political career.

Why would you believe it is Dr. Paul's responsibility to tell his supporters what to do and not to do? We are all adults and do not need to be told what to do. He has more than once announced that what he speaks about is not his own words or ideas but from what he has learned.

It was fun but now this is just getting ridiculous. Arguing with you is futile.

You aren't arguing with me freedom4. In order to argue with me you would actually have to read my responses. You call it BS because you cannot refute it, and that frustrates you. You have my sympathies.

I didn't say that Mr. Paul told his followers what to do. I have no idea where you picked up that idea. I said that Mr. Paul gives speeches that his followers cite and post -- just like the one posted above -- claiming that they are some kind of brilliant new thoughts.

Here, for example, the claim is made that Mr. Paul "taught the world the meaning of the term blowback" with respect to certain events in Iran's history and the repercussions those events have had since over the past 60+ years. The problem, of course, is that both the events and the analysis of them are common knowledge and are taught in basic-level history courses in colleges and universities in America and around the world. In fact, most scholars point to not only THESE events but also the geopolitical ramifications of the two world wars as the source of much of the "blowback" Mr. Paul describes.

This is something that Mr. Paul does quite frequently. He is not lying. He is not distorting the truth. He is simply restating matters that are common knowledge or summarizing the scholarship of others without attribution -- without being forthright about the source of his "wisdom." To those who are not familiar with such matters -- the bulk of his supporters (not all, but the vast majority) -- he no doubt sounds like a man of great expertise. I just happen to think that is a rather tawdry practice that calls into question his integrity. If the man is willing to cut THESE corners, what other corners is he willing to cut?

Since you have not bothered to read my other posts, I doubt that you have read this far...but I have no problem with your loyalty to Mr. Paul or to libertarianism. I have a BIG problem with your representation that Mr. Paul and libertarians are some kind of group of perfect people simply because of their political philosophies. That is fanaticism, and it has been the source of some of the world's greatest evils. Just sayin'...

I bet dollars to donuts most Americans would not be able to find Iran on a map let alone give the proper definition of the term blowback. Come on man have you even considered your argument for what it is?

" I said that he ALLOWED his groupies to believe that the substance of his lectures originated with him rather than stating right up front that most of what he says is common knowledge among those who have bothered to pick up a book on the subject."

So I'm guessing you didn't watch the video or you didn't pay it any mind. If Paul and his groupies were trying to pretend that Pauls' views were products of his own creation then why did the video not only feature a segment of a PBS special but also use the PBS special to validate the assertions made by Paul in the 08 presidential election?

Holy crap, Ricky, your argument would have totally upended my position...if only your assertions bore the slightest relevance to that position. I was talking about Mr PAUL's failure to be forthcoming -- not about the actions of PBS or any other third party.

The activity that is becoming so tedious that I think it is actually hurting Mr. Paul's image is this constant stream of "revelations" coming out of his core group of supporters. We see a clip billed as "Ron Paul's brilliant observations on the Constitution." We watch the clip and discover that all he is doing is paraphrasing some part of the Constitution that any 10-year-old could look up for him/herself and that any 18-year-old should have read already if he or she was paying the least bit of attention in high school.

Indeed, we see clip after clip after clip that his supporters submit are evidence that the man is the greatest mind since Leonardo Da Vinci...but most are of him "dumbing down" some kind of basic explanation of history, federal law, economics, or the political process so that his followers can understand (nearly all the rest are his own goofy ideas like returning to the gold standard or abolishing the federal reserve).

Able to understand the concepts he spoon feeds them for the first time in their lives, they go forth and proclaim their revelations. The problem, as I say, is that they are not, of course revelations...but Mr. Paul is perfectly willing to allow his followers to hold him aloft as though they were. How modest of him...

cztheday,

Give us a link that says that Dr. Paul takes credit for anything let alone what you say.

He sites documentation from the CIA and has not taken credit for any of it. Libertarians do NOT flaunt things. It is NOT in our character to do so.

Thanks for caring....

Too many central planners just continue down the path of tyranny thinking THEY have the answers..... thanks for paying attention to the political spectrum outside your realm.

Peace

@peterzylstramoore
>"recognition of historical factors in present day violence is the only way to a peaceable world."<
I personally suspect that there simply isn't any real path. Listening is usually good though.

@shanklinmike
>"Too many central planners just continue down the path of tyranny thinking THEY have the answers"<
That stick points both ways there. If I was to choose which viewpoint here most claims to have all the answers it would have to be the Paulites.

or more accurately we wouldn't have much of a foreign policy at all.

You got that right. We have known about it for years but everybody called us conspiracy theorists. Guess we are partly to blame since we have been just to way apathetic for over 30 years. Just thought politics was too corrupt to do anything about.

That is until Dr. Paul ran for for POTUS. He AWAKENED us and have NOT been to sleep since.

I dunno those jowls look pretty saggy that face could probably hold a good quart of vinegar water solution. all you.d ned to do is attach the littel hose and spigot to his chin and you'd be good to go.

he may or may not be a racist. I don't think he is, but that's just me. I'm sorry no matter how hateful or uplifting the speech/dialogue may be it's protected under the first amendment. As a constitutionalist Ron Paul would have adhered strictly to this philosophy.

Simply put Libertarianism is retarded. It wouldnt work and would utterly destroy America. Thats why only hippies and college students actually like his agenda.

no matter how the revisionists try to spin it - Paul signed off on all that racism supplied by the white supremacists. he also took their money in the form of campaign contributions.

wake up and smell the coffee kids.

Yeah, freedom would be horrible.....gotcha, the current slave system is awesome....whatever you say.....

One thing is for sure, the current situation has NOTHING to do with libertarianism, quite the opposite, it is because we have been veering far from libertarianism that we are having more problems. But I guess some people just love tyranny....and can't even see when they are shooting their own foot.

Just give it up, uni. Ron Paul supporters are just as insane as Jonas Brothers fans. The man is a dangerous lunatic who would pile drive this country into self annihilation. You might as well vote for Marion Barry..

@Ares,

it is always a pleasure when we find something to agree upon. Thank you.

@shanklinmike

you are not a slave. knock off the melodrama, you insult those who are or have been slaves for real, and you embarrass yourself with such shenanigans.

you do admit that Paul took money from white supremacists. And of course it is wrong to take money from evil people like white supremacists. Where is your moral compass? To accept money from white supremacists is to tacitly accept and support what they stand for.

again mike, you embarrass and discredit yourself when you claim to be a slave.

also, pointing the finger at Obama or the Clintons or Kennedy or myself or anyone else is but a red herring, and reveals the poverty of your own position.

be well my little friend, no doubt with time you will outgrow your school boy crush on paul.

You have proven nothing but your blind, uneducated support for tyrants.

Once again, it isn't about the man, it's about the message.....why is it you followers can't seem to understand this? or economics, civil liberties, or peace for that matter.....?!?

Mike,

I am just curious - these guys keep talking, and offer no proof - I guess its what to be expected here on the interwebs lol