Ganja Babies do better - more suppressed marijuana research
source: http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/marijuana-cannabis-use-in-pregnanc...
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Dreher's research is interesting and relevant because it challenges the prevailing notion that all drug use during pregnancy is bad for children. Ironically, some of Dreher's findings suggest that ganja use by mothers during pregnancy, and by their children after birth, might actually be good for children.
The 30-day test showed that children of ganja-using mothers were superior to children of non-ganja mothers in two ways: the children had better organization and modulation of sleeping and waking, and they were less prone to stress-related anxiety.
“Although no positive or negative neurobehavioral effects of prenatal exposure were found at 3 days of life using the Brazelton examination, there were significant differences between the exposed and non-exposed neonates at the end of the first month.
Comparing the two groups, the neonates of mothers who used marijuana showed better physiological stability at 1 month and required less examiner facilitation to reach an organized state and become available for social stimulation.
The results of the comparison of neonates of the heavy-marijuana-using mothers and those of the non-using mothers were even more striking:
The heavily exposed neonates were more socially responsive and were more autonomically stable at 30 days than their matched counterparts.
* quality of their alertness was higher;
* their motor and autonomic systems were more robust;
* they were less irritable;
* they were less likely to demonstrate any imbalance of tone;
* they needed less examiner facilitation to become organized;
* they had better self-regulation;
* judged to be more rewarding for caregivers than the neonates of non-using mothers at 1 month of age
Dreher decried “the politics of trying to get published.” She now sees it as “a miracle” that Pediatrics published her work on neonatal outcomes, however belatedly, in 1994. (Her paper on five-year outcomes came out in the West Indian Medical Journal before Pediatrics ran the neonatal outcomes.) She suspects that a review of “all the fugitive literature that’s out there that didn’t get published” would convey “a very different picture of prenatal cannabis exposure.”
Honest research is also impeded, Dreher said, by “the politics of building a research career. Most research is done by academics and academia is a very conservative environment where tenure often is more important than truth.” (Dreher is now Dean of the College of Nursing at the University of Iowa.)
The end result of biased science, Dreher observed, is a misinformed public. Recently, she “googled to see what was out there for the general public regarding pregnancy and marijuana.” Typical of the disinformation was an article entitled “Exposure to marijuana in womb may harm brain’ that began “Over the past decade several studies have linked behavior problems and lower IQ scores in children to prenatal use of marijuana…” A reference to Dreher said she had “written extensively on the benefits of smoking marijuana while smoking pregnant!”
(Original post includes video of Dr. Dreher discussing her findings)
"Ganja"
From the Urban Dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganja&page=2
Ganja is another name for marijuana. The word is often times associated with the west indies, but the truth is that it originated in India.
ORIGIN: The word Ganja actually comes from the word Ganges, referring to the Ganges River, which is a river in India where Cannabis Indica grew naturally. Cannabis indica was brought to the west indies, and is therefore referred to as Ganga.
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Dojcsany
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I think marijuana has shown its side effects in the last few posts. What SeoKungFu was saying was that if you smoke pot, you will be prosecuted, people will show you violence, they will harass and humiliate you, and the government will violate your human rights. The fact that no one had any idea what he was saying leads me to believe there are some serious mental side effects to the overuse of Ganja.
Also in regards to this article you shouldn't just swallow everything you read on the internet as the truth. I wont take what this has to say as truth until I can read for my self all of her extensive research and judge for myself the results. This seems very one sided to me and I didn't hear anything about the children's mental facility's later in life. Such as language comprehension, mathematical skills, spatial skills, and memory. Those are very important things that wont show until much later in life. Its great that they are more socially adept but that's not all that counts.
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Dojcsany:
Dojcsany, there are no serious mental side affects to overuse of cannabis. I will provide you with factual evidence in a moment, but first I want to address the issue with your reasoning in your second and third sentences.
You are using prohibition's legal consequences for smokers as a reason to perpetuate prohibition. I hope you recognize the serious issue in the reasoning, there. You mentioned that "no one had any idea what he was saying"; that is simply an untruth. While I disagree with Shane_Kenton's decision to persecute SeoKongFu for being a republican, Shane_Kenton recognized the issue in SeoKongFu's statement as replied to him basically as I replied to you - you cannot use prohibition's legal consequences for smokers as justification for prohibition. Seriously, think about that claim and how unfair, one-sided, and unreasonable it is. If SeoKongFu was being satirical, he was doing a good job of playing the part; some people actually BELIEVE that, and there's no way really to tell whether or not he was using sarcasm.
Now, In regards to the article, it would be a good idea to provide the actual evidence behind her claims; your skepticism is to be expected. No one should accept this information as fact until her methods and her evidence are displayed. Also, the study of prenatal marijuana consumption's effects on mental facilities not observable within the time boundaries of the study are necessary to justify prenatal use. You're right, there. There certainly IS a possibility that prenatal cannabis consumption is beneficial to the baby, and we should remain open to the possibility until it is dis-proven; the endocannabinoid system is very complex, very fundamental to our existence, and it would make sense for prenatal stimulation of such a system to ultimately result in benefit for the child. It would also be responsible to refrain from cannabis consumption during pregnancy, should science prove that prenatal cannabis consumption DOES negatively affect the health of the child. Do not fall victim to confirmation bias - if you read that "studies have shown" prenatal cannabis consumption to be harmful to the development of the child, look for hard evidence. As with most of the misinformation surrounding cannabis, it is doubtful you will find any. In this article, you said, "This seems very one sided to me and I didn't hear anything about [evidence]". I expect you will repeat this very same statement on articles covering the other side of the issue with comparable vague language and lack of evidence.
As for your understanding that serious mental side affects arise from overuse of cannabis, I will be most happy now to let you know that you have been woefully misinformed, and that cannabis has no lasting negative effect on mental capacity. Before I post some helpful links, I hope you will listen to me when I say that you need to stop thinking of cannabis as something negative. Stop trying to justify its prohibition, stop trying to think of ways that it COULD negatively affect users or those connected with them, and stop trying to think of reasons we shouldn't use cannabis. Science has proven cannabis to be ultimately benign, extremely beneficial to our health, and extremely beneficial to society as an industrial product and a medicine. You might consider that "hippie-talk," but I would consider your consideration a product of political indifference and laziness of thought. Here is your evidence:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=R...
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/166/7/887
http://www.hnrc.ucsd.edu/publications_pdf/348art200...
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstrac...
http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16521034
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19946940
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600251
I highly suggest you read the following, as it is a comprehensive explanation of why cannabis should be legalized despite alleged (false) health concerns.
http://blog.norml.org/2011/10/29/white-house-respon...
Cannabis is not illegal because of health, however. Cannabis is illegal because many of the lobbying industries cannot profit from it; namely those involved in textiles, timber, oil, alcohol. tobacco, and pharmaceuticals. I suggest you take a look at this image:
http://kingstoncompassion.org/cannabisandcapitalism.jpg
Also, from a private prison-owner's perspective: "For example, any changes with respect to the decriminalization of drugs and controlled substances could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them."
In their 10-K: http://www.gurufocus.com/StockLink.php?type=sec&sym...
On page 34. Yes, they are imprisoning people for the sole reason of making money from their imprisonment.
Morally and constitutionally, cannabis should never have been outlawed. The belief in prohibition is outdated and misinformed. There are typically two sides to an issue, but not this one. There is no logical, reasonable counterargument. Cannabis is GOOD for you, and citizens of the United States possess the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to ingest what they please. Please take the time to consider the issue and recognize that.
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"Do not be fooled that cannabis doesn't have side effects ! It does and they are bad to your health, both physical, mental and spiritual.
Negative side effects include, but are not limited to : prosecution, violence, harassment, humiliation, human rights violation and the like !"If pot were legal NONE of this would be true! And the only people that get their human rights violated are people like YOU because you dont know how to exercise your rights, or youre too chicken shit to do so. Too much of anything has bad side effects on EVERYONE. Its not just pot. GTFO you typical republican.
Show me any legitimate scientific source or study that concludes marijuana is harmful to your mental physical and spiritual health, and not some reefer madness propaganda!
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Do not be fooled that cannabis doesn't have side effects ! It does and they are bad to your health, both physical, mental and spiritual.
Negative side effects include, but are not limited to : prosecution, violence, harassment, humiliation, human rights violation and the like ! - 1 year ago
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SeoKungFu:
How does Marijuana cause violence? Soldiers in Vietnam started smoking herb and wanted to stop fighting because it opened their eyes to what the Governement was doing to them. Harrassment is from other people; a prosecution is a senctencing for a crime; how are those side effects? Humiliation is a self-feeling, so therefore, if you were ashamed to smoke, you would not keep doing it. You need to think before you speak and maybe actually do some in-depth research before you try and run your mouth on on a topic you know absoutly nothing about.
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SeoKungFu:
You're a damn fool... Research a little more and check out this page (It will educate you!)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cannabis-Users-United/341025275921441
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Is Stephen King a loser? He likes to smoke ganja and authored upwards of 50 novels and short stories which have sold a collective 500 million copies worldwide.
Is Ted Turner a loser? He does smoke ganja, but, hey! He single-handedly invented the 24-hour news cycle with CNN, was named Time’s Man of the Year in 1991, is the largest private land owner in America.
Is Michael Bloomberg a loser?
So, why not to do medical research?The dumb ones are those who never think, and just beleive all they hear.
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mybodymyright:
Many who are against cannabis hemp legalization are unaware, or don't believe the facts about cannabis hemp, because it wasn't in educational material. The history of cannabis hemp was removed from educational material, making people unaware of it's many uses and history.
Removing cannabis hemp history from educational material made propaganda so much easier. Spinning 'this is your brain on drugs' was easy. People were denied known facts, which would have helped them form an 'educated' opinion.
Fortunately, people are learning the history of cannabis hemp and are realizing the war on cannabis is the wrong war. We were purposefully misled. A natural competitor was removed from the market place, leaving their markets closed to the competition of hemp.
It's time to have an educated discussion. No spinning or lying allowed. The truth and nothing but the truth. A William F. Buckley style dialog. Politicians like to say, 'I don't really know all the facts'. Do you think that's a viable answer? If they don't know the facts, why? We have had an ongoing war on American soil and they don't know the facts? Shame on them!
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This is the stupidest shit I have ever EVER EVER read in my entire life. I've read some stupid shit, too. This trumps it all. This is the most reckless, dangerous thing I've read in a long time. If you are stupid enough to believe this and do it, odds are your babies are genetically dumb enough for the weed to not make a difference. The downfall is that foster parents will be raising your drug baby. Have fun being a loser.
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battleramsam:
Sure would be nice to know why you believe that scientific research is "stupid shit", the only way to find out is to do. So if you don't want to, don't. However do not dismiss scientific research based on "my mommy and daddy government said that pot will fuck up my kids"
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battleramsam:
This is the stupidest shit I have ever EVER EVER read in my entire life. I've read some stupid shit, too. This trumps it all. This is the most retarded, nonsensical comment I've read in a long time. If you are stupid enough to believe this and listen to it, odds are your babies are genetically dumb enough already and this will not make a difference. The downfall is that your parents probably smoked crack and will be raising you as a Crack Baby. Have fun being a virgin forever
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battleramsam:
you clearly know nothing about marijuana. learn about marijuana before you trash talk it, it's one of the most useful plants in the world
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battleramsam:
Sounds like someone has some sand in their vagina.. assuming you have one, assuming you are a parent or have carried a child in your whom..
I would like to see you diplomas.. or see that you have even finished school..
I am a weed smoker and i am a parent.. i started as a teenager, then had to for health reasons..
A surgery had caused fluid to build up in my brain, headaches far worse than labour pains and almost caused me to go blind and What helped the pain? you got it, WEED
I smoked to help with the pain, and guess what, i did smoke during pregnancy... i had consulted my doctor about it.
It helped with Nashua, Gaining an Appetite, helped with Stress, helped with Pain, helped go to Sleep.
My son is smart, very active, was a normal weight when he was born, is a normal weight, is very alert, is very loving and amazing. Any mother would love to call him their own...
You mister battle-ass are a retard in my books. I bet my son at only 2 years old has more smarts that you..
Now You have fun being a Loser and a pom-pus ass. My life is amazing and filled with life and and love. people like you make me happy to be me :) - 1 year ago
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MamaDuby:
Don't try to insult my intelligence level if you don't know how to spell. I'm glad weed helped you, but to say babies do better when their parents smoke weed is totally outrageous. I have smoked weed, I have a child, and I completed college. It's your closed minded assumptions that are representative of the pro-weed movement. It's those assumptions and that militant "you're an idiot if you have anything bad to say about weed" attitude that are the real hindrance to making weed legal. As long as people like you are speaking in favor of legalizing marijuana, people like me will be voting it down.
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anon666:
Your problem is that you pick and choose which scientific articles you perceive as real. You ignore the dozens of experiments that show that drug use during pregnancy impedes fetal development. Science isn't taking one experiment done by an individual in a small, poor island nation and trumping that research over the entire body of research already available.
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Kevin_Eckstein:
Fantastic argument, Kevin!! I'm a crack baby virgin! Now I see the true value of marijuana abuse while pregnant...
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framburgalr:
Never said it wasn't useful. I think weed should be legal for what it is: a low risk recreational drug. I just don't think pregnant women should be toking for the benefit of their children. That is some stupid shit.
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battleramsam:
And your problem is that you take all negative studies for their word and dismiss a ten year study as "stupid shit", they surveyed smokers and none smokers it's not like they forced the women to hit a blunt or joint. However I will say smoking while pregnant isn't good. Period. Because all your doing is depriving the fetus of oxygen.My point in my last comment was that your dismiss a study of peoples habits affecting their children as stupid shit. So now I feel compelled to ask what would you say if this study were done surveying women using only baked cannabis goods? Would it still be "stupid shit"
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anon666:
If a nurse told you that she did a study in Jamaica that said your child would grow up smarter if you ate marijuana laced baked goods while pregnant, would you do it? I would say that qualifies as the most stupid shit ever if you do. That fact is that there is not enough research on the subject and to put an article out stating that pregnant women should use drugs is completely irresponsible.
This is not quality science. In this very same article it says there are studies that say marijuana use while pregnant cause lower IQ scores in children. There is no peer review, no organized body oversaw the research, and it was not even done by medical doctor. I could go to the third world and do research suggesting eating feces leads to higher test scores but it doesn't mean shit. Why hasn't she repeated the experiment in America if it was so ground breaking? That's part of good science is having a reproducible outcome. I will take back everything I said if they can come up with the same results in real scientific experiment.
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battleramsam:
Because you are not legally aloud to do any scientific research on cannabis in America. All of the studies done that come to the conclusion of lower IQ's, autism and the like were done in the 70's and 80's and are based on a biased tactics. In the FDA studies the women surveyed were not just marijuana users like most people would quote them for, a good portion used other drugs from LSD to meth. It's the same as when the DEA released their high driving fatalities they never emphasize to you that in a majority of those accidents the driver is above the legal limit for alcohol as well.
Your dismissing something legitimately being observed because it was done in a small island nation, and done by privateers. You saying pregnant women shouldn't use drugs is just plain laughable, any doctor will prescribe a number of pain killers to pregnant women, guaranteed in large quantities is far worse than pot. Cannabis is a great pain killer and has been used for child rearing since the 15th century, I still say that smoking it while pregnant probably not a good idea, but I see nothing wrong with eating it.
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This is great knowledge, I'm very curious as to the reasons why it works that way.
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JohnGuzman:
It would be great to know (scientifically) but it isn't needed. Marijuana was never a harm. Its illegal because of Government propaganda (which i'm sure you already know so I won't explain it all)
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Great! Now, Legalize it!
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i wish so much that I had been given the chance to use marijuana as a child. I have had epilepsy since I was 7, and all the drugs the doctors have had me on for the last 25 years have not only not controlled my seizures, they have ruined my overall bone, joint, physical and mental health. I dont believe in making your kids smoke or use in any other way just so they can be smarter, but if there is a legimtimate medical issue, pot should be one of the first things considered, simply for the lack of long term side effects that pharma chemicals inevitably cause.
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Yes, because of the anti-cancer properties of marijuana, even the smoke doesn't harm you. That said, it would still be better for you eaten.
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Monkey_Films:
Or Vaporized. =D
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the inhalation of smoke itself, seems to be not so good of an idea (when dealing with a developing baby), but let's say the mother is to consume marijuana another way, like eating it...maybe that could be a positive start to this conspiracy on this story.
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I have heard from the lips of a doctor that cannabis is non-teratogenic.
Some women have intractable nausea, and it is so bad that the fetus gets nearly zero nutrition because the mother can't keep anything down. Some women with this condition have been prescribed anti-nausea meds that have only been tested on terminal cancer patients and often have drastic side effects--certainly very limited if any study on pregnant women.
If you have nausea so bad that you can't keep anything down, the fetus will surely suffer more from malnutrition than any exposure to exocannabinoids (cannabinoids that come from an external source). They already recieve endocanabinoids. In colostrum (the first milk from the breast after birth) has endocanabinoids (cannabinoids your body produces) to give the child munchies so they eat more to survive.
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juicie:
This exact thing happened to me . I took the extract . It saved my life and the life of my beautiful son , who just turned 8 . The only time I have ever used the plant . Thank heaven for it .
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This warrants further research. I wouldn't recommend that pregnant women use cannabis or give it to their children for this purpose until more research is done.
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While I support re-legalization of cannabis. I think children and cannabis should not be part of the discussion. Cannabis research has been stifled for years and one, or two studies is not enough to conclude the effects of cannabis and children would be positive.
I do not condone cannabis and children. Maybe someday after cannabis has been re-classified, studies will take place, but today is not the day to talk about cannabis and children.
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Conniepae:
Here is the testimony from Melanie Dreher on her 30 years of research in Jamaica, she gave this at the Nov 09 Iowa Pharmacy Board hearings to determine whether cannabis might have medicinal use. Hearing the testimony, personally I never though this information would be taken as advice to smoke up whilst pregnant, but rather that we as a society radically rethink our views on the herb. Hopefully we can start to erase some of the programming that it is a drug to be equated with Meth and the like.
If you're interested ~ scroll to the second page
http://www.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/petitions/pdfs/cb_41_50.pdf - 2 years ago
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Air in an urban center is more dangerous than cannabis.
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I think people are overreacting. The thing is, first and foremost pot is a plant; an herb. Doctors give mothers all kind of drugs while they're pregnant, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if this one plant, which is completely safe (besides the actual smoke), helps the baby a tiny bit.
That being said, I'm not going to encourage my wife to smoke during pregnancy just because of this article, and if someone was dumb enough to do that, I can bet you their kids probably wouldn't turn out to be the Einsteins of the world anyway.
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carelcapek:
what does it being a plant have to do with anything? Deadly nightshade is a plant. Castor beans contain one of the deadliest poisons known to man. The assumption that it is ok because it is "herbal' is pure magical thinking.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1747#comic
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carelcapek:
Yeah I'm not an idiot or something. I'm not preaching that everything natural is good, I'm saying that a lot of plants are used in medicine and that if pot didn't undermine the drug companies and therefore hurt the politicians pocketbooks, it would be legal.
Feel free to browse through this list of all the plants being used as medicine right now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plants_used_as_medicine
P.S. Nightshade is not on the list.
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carelcapek:
Solanum is a very large genus that includes Solanum Lycopersicum (Tomato), Solanum Tuberosum (Potato), Solanum Melongena (Eggplant) Most parts of the plants, especially the green parts and unripe fruit, are poisonous to humans (albeit not necessarily to other animals), but many species in the genus bear some edible parts, such as fruits, leaves, or tubers. Several species are cultivated, including three globally important food crops.
So the argument that Solanum Dulcamara is completely poisonous from root to tip and root to fruit is not realistic, because many parts of Solanum genus plants have nutritional and naturopathic value.
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drug use is bad for any pregnant women... but hemp is not a drug, its a plant!
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CalgarC:
There are plenty of dangerous plants.
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CalgarC:
@MajorMajorMajorMajor
lol most dangerous plants are GMO's
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CalgarC:
There are plenty of safe ones too. :)
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CalgarC:
This is silly. Plenty of harmful agents can be made from natural wild plants. Tobacco comes to mind. Heck, you remember being advised to stay away from the poison ivy when you were a kid?
Just because the good Earth sprouted it out of the ground doesn't mean it's healthy. - 2 years ago
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MOK:
Tobacco isn't actually all that dangerous until it is sprayed in the field and then sprayed in the factory.
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You guys know that smoking it isn't the only way to use it right??
They've come a long way in vapor tech and have quite a few good vaporizers on the market that produce 80-90% less carcinogens than smoking it does. Also, you can get pure oil extracts that can be vaporized with zero combustion, no carcinogens, no carbon dioxide overload, no carbon monoxide, just the essential oils. Also, you can eat it....
I agree it is bad for any pregnant person to inhale combusted plant materials (especially tobacco), but I do not agree that the active compounds in cannabis are dangerous on their own. They have medicinal properties that have been proven to be beneficial in many ways.
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spanky07:
Not in this case. The original underlying science was actually decent, more or less. If you are referring to later reiterations of the article you may be correct.
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corndog67:
Jesus why are you being so harsh? "Useless fucks"? You sound like an asshole, my mom smoked while she was pregnant, I turned out above average as far as intelligence. And like I said I'm very successful and so is my dad who also smokes, and I'm sure you would never say this to either of our faces. You need to chill and not worry so much what other people are doing, there's plenty of other ways to fuck up your kids. Like being an ignorant asshole.
Now excuse me while I go smoke a bowl before work, like a responsible adult.
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corndog67:
You've got yourself convinced, Mr. Above Average. I guess your parents smoking while you are in the womb makes you delusional too.
Chill about what other people are doing? Do what you want, smoke drink, do drugs, anything you want, but when people are suggesting that smoking weed is good for babies, well that is irresponsible and fucking stupid. And most of the people that smoke weed continuously from their youth, are useless fucks. This site sure posts up a lot of dangerous information, most of it false, about how good cannabis is for you. And some people absolutely believe it.
And if you smoke before you go to work, that says a lot about how difficult or important your job is, and how important it is to you.
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corndog67:
Wow are you an uninformed individual. Why does it mean that this guy does not have a good job because he smokes weed? Dude Steve Jobs, Sarah Silverman, Michael Phelps, and probably every other individual who owns a company that I deal with smoke. It certainly is silly to recommend anything when a woman has a child without more testing. However as the article suggests, studies have been limited as many individuals continue to spout disinformation involving this plant. When a woman is not pregnant, pot does not harm the body (scientifically it has been proven to help with many different ailments). However, you may get a bad case of Bronchitis lol.
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Well thank you corndog67, I was sitting there thinking, why would this guy even be on a site that he says spreads so much false info. I mean if he has such a problem why even be here? Is he just a guy who like to argue?
It must be because you care so much about me and the rest of us here at current. You must care so much that you come in here as an authority on everything and spread the word of truth. So thank you very much.
But seriously, what are your fucking credentials? Who are you to call me delusional? At least this article has evidence, you sound like a grumpy old man. I think you should look around you. So many successful people smoke. Marijuana has made me such a better person and I think every person over 18 should try it at least once before they die.
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corndog67:
MANAGEMENT HAS ASKED ME TO CHANGE THE WORDING. I'LL REMOVE THE OFFENDING WORD.
Marijuana has made you a better person. Wow, that is heavy. I really can't imagine what kind of a PERSON you were before you smoked dope.
And my animosity towards this article is that fact that it is bullshit. Look at Jamaica, a failed fucking country, where I suppose it's OK for women who are pregnant to expose their babies to a depressant. Oh yeah, it's a plant. So is cocaine. So is Opium.
So I will post what I think about any article that is so much pure bullshit that I can't believe they would allow it to be put on here. Would you allow the mother of your kid to smoke dope? You probably would.
Marijuana made you a better person. That is the stupidest thing I've heard on here yet.
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corndog67:
Have you ever tried marijuana? I don't feel like we're going anywhere with this, it's about to be legalized and it's already legal where I am anyway, so it's pretty pointless to argue with you anyway.
By the way, no I wouldn't let the mother of my child smoke during pregnancy or while nursing, especially based just on this article haha.
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Oh don't get so bent out of shape, can't you get a clue from the screen name? Carelcapek, I am 48 years old and I have smoked cannabis off and on since I was a teenager. I have three degrees from college and I was on the Presidents list and had a 3.85 GPA. Some people have drank the koolaid from the conspiracy that they are absolutely hysterical when it comes to anything MARIJUANA. Don't waste your breath trying to convince those who use insulting remarks like "stupid fucks" because those who have nothing meaningful to contribute to a conversation use that kind of language when making sweeping generalizations about people.
They think that their harshness is going to scare people and its a sad way to self empowerment.
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corndog67:
I don't care what any adult wants to smoke. Someone questioned my marijuana usage, I'd be willing to be that I spent more money on weed over the past 25 years than 98% of the people that are posting here. I spent over 25 years stoned and stupid. I don't care if you want to smoke crack, crank, weed, cigarrettes, turds, whatever. But it does fire me up when someone posts up some bullshit, which is exactly what this so-called study is, and people are advocating ingesting a substance, that will affect an unborn baby.
Seriously, does any one on here think that smoking anything while pregnant is a good idea? I know people that smoked during their whole pregnancy. Some have regular kids, others have slow ass dumb fucking kids. Whether that was due to ingesting whatever during pregnancy we'll never know. But is it worth the risk? Personally, I don't think so, but my life isn't in such a place that I need to take drugs any more.
I'm not a pro-lifer, but I sure don't want my tax dollars paying for your fucked up kid if it could have been avoided but just abstaining for 9 months.
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Well I do agree with you in some if not a lot of what you're saying. I think that the idea that some people might read this article and completely believe it as fact is startling and while I don't share your viewpoints about what marijuana does for a person, I do agree that a good mother wouldn't take the risk without knowing full well her child would be okay.
However, I do feel bad that marijuana didn't help you in becoming more enlightened. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that it made me a genius or a saint, and I'm not saying that I don't use it to just get stoned and relax most of the time, I just think that I'm much better off as a person, maybe not more successful or smart, but I feel like I can enjoy life more and to me that's what life is all about.
I guess the only reason I got so fired up was because of the way you were talking shit about everyone who smokes marijuana like it's a bad thing really seemed to bias what you were saying about the study. I mean if it was about alcohol I doubt so many people would've been so harsh.
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corndog67:
Sorry if I came across as unduly harsh. Like I said, adults can do what they want. I've seen to many screwed up babies, from meth to tobacco, to cocaine, that I believe that no one that is pregnant should smoke anything that could affect that baby.
Also like I said before, I spent a lot of years stoned, a lot of money on weed and other drugs, and a lot of time in jail directly related to my drug use. I can't/don't/won't do it any more. I've got too much catching up to do with living.
Have a good one.
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spanky07:
too much of any thing is bad for you, whether it be sugar, cereal or mountain dew.
Sure, but we don't ban anything else silly. So your statement proves nothing if not to say that a little marijuana won't hurt you. Counterproductive to your plans I think. I have a recipe for brownies that may help you to understand correct logic a little better. Scooby and Shaggy solved a lot of crimes with my snack recipe. Sad thing is that marijuana is COMPLETELY harmless and has been proven to do a variety of good. So, why the scare tactics and the 'war' on it? Whatever, the propaganda worked on you because you drink the fluoride in your water but are scared of a little weed.
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spanky07:
Well I'm glad you've decided to join this one sided discussion. About me running to my room everytime I have a problem... Why do you get that impression of me? I actually am a very social person and when I have a problem, the very last thing I want is to get high and freak out instead of finding a solution. I prefer to get high when I'm trying to relax and don't feel like drinking alcohol (which is so much harder on your body that marijuana) and getting hung over before work in the morning. I understand if you have a problem with marijuana because you've been brainwashed slowly all your life, but I really don't think you can say what I'm doing isn't responsible. Did I not say that I wouldn't let my wife smoke while she was pregnant (whether it be cigarettes or weed) based on this bullshit study. I fail to see why you even lectured me a month after the fact without any reason to. Feel free to respond anytime within the next few months.
- 2 years ago
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spanky07:
I'm not sure why you think I'm going to let my kids drink mountain dew in their cereal.
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carelcapek:
You are a nice person, don't cast your pearls before swine like spanky07.
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Wow, who told you all of that wonderful false information. You actually believe the 1950s movies they put out and I'm scared of you 'cuz that's just...I mean....wow. Marijuana doesn't affect one's intelligence whatsoever. I drive all day every day while smoking weed. If you order pizza you probably got it by a high delivery driver. I am under the influence of weed right now and I seem to be able to think clearly enough to type correctly. I cut down six trees and broke everything down to firewood yesterday under the influence of weed. The only time I was scared was when my wuss, non-smoking friend wanted to try his hand at it. It's time to quit commenting on the subject until you do some research, my friend, because you are extremely behind the times and your comment was ridiculously uneducated.
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too true. I smoke pot like, every day and my intelligence can beat up your intelligence (not you monkey_films, people who just repeat whatever they are told, like pot makes you dumb and lazy). and, if you've ever eaten at Applebees, you got your food from a pilled-up or coked-out server. But be reassured, your food was cooked by high-ass hardcore stoners such as myself. And have you ever gotten food that tasted bad at Applebees?
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don't tell me you are serious corndog... I take it you are 67 years old. Tobacco kills, and that toxic alcoholic drink you love to drink kills also. Meth & crack are manmade in labs. Of course it damages babies. Cannabis on the other hand doesnt because IT ISNT'T LIKE THOSE. You see how ignorant and how the government has washed your brain. You need to unlearn your ways and research for yourself. Go buy a few lbs of cannabis and smoke all day everyday, apply it topically, see for yourself if you don't believe. That's the best way to learn when you are hardheaded like corndog67.
Now onto the lesson. Just because you smoke something doesn't mean its bad. It's about the plant itself. Tobacco is grown with pesticides and poisons to keep bugs out of the crop. In the same way fastfood has toxins (McDonalds). Did you know there is even fecal matter found in mcdonalds burgers? I'm sure you don't. If smoking was too much for you, you can eat cannabis very easily. most people don't because of the illegality makes the costs too much to eat, and more effective is smoking it. But if it was free I would take cannabis orally.
You eat alot of beef don't you corndog67? Do you even know how unhealthy corn dogs are? And the mystery meats they put in it? Nasty! I have smoked cannabis for a long time, every day, and since I eat salads, drink tea sweetened with organic honey, and live a very healthy life.
And lastly, why don't you look up the patent that the US gov has on cannabis. the "Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants" which is Patent 6630507.
You are soo dumb and ignorant you make my stomach queasy
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spanky07:
So childish...grow up. Spanky HAHAHAHAHAHA what are you some character from Little Rascals?
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spanky07:
No, you ignorant fool. I have ankylosing spondylitis and cannot function due to pain and the calcification of my joints without some sort of pain relief. My doctor prescribed me 7 pills to deal with this. Two for the disease and 5 to deal with the issues the other medications bring on. Eventually, on the medications I was on, I would wind up dying from side effects 20 years earlier than I should normally. However, marijuana makes it possible for me to enjoy life and lead a productive life more effectively than the medications. Even better, the marijuana, when ingested, is one of the healthiest plants for humans on the planet. It is the only plant with every vitamin, mineral and amino acid necessary for humans to survive in a single source. So, poison myself with unnatural medications or achieve the same results naturally with not only no damaging effects but positive, healthy effects for my body.
I'd say it's a no-brainer but that would mean that you could understand this as well. You have already shown in your posts that you're not going to bother reading and educating yourself on the subject. You obviously have decided that the government and church teachings of 50 years ago done for political purposes are gospel and refuse to read any new research on the subject.
Get a life....and a book and quit wasting intelligent space on the internet. I can't wait until all people like you eventually are evolved out of existence. However, for my safety, until then please walk on the other side of the sidewalk.
- 1 year ago
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spanky07:
Drugs come from doctors and factories, pot is a plant, an herb, not a drug. It was never a drug until it came into competition with paper, cotton and the DuPont and Hearst families. Then, it conveniently became a 'drug' capable of causing people to go 'crazy' and make women 'harlots'. They actually taught in the 30's that it made white women attracted to black men. Oh my God, how evil! I mean, how could someone like spanky07 live with the rest of us smoking and getting 'Jungle Fever'.
Grow up, spanky07, Science and society have come along way from the 1930's, try to catch up with us. It's harmless, science has proven it and only a few, easily influenced, people still are lost in the Twilight Zone and believe the government 'hype'.
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spanky07:
Do you drink alcohol? Do you take anti-biotics? Do you drink coffee? Do you drink sodas? Do you ingest sugar? Do you eat turkey? Do you drink milk? If you do any of these then you were under the influence of something that controls you and the way you think and feel. Why do you feel the need to classify weed separately than these items.
Only the weak minded, like the girls who act drunk when given fake beer, are actually influenced by weed in their thinking, behavior or feelings. Most, especially those accustomed to it, are relaxed, tension is eased and pain can be eased as well. That's about it.
Your views are outdated, wrong, and quite frankly, to most modern Americans, laughable. You are like the people who help on to the Flat Earth Theory even after the first person sailed around the world.
All of your statements have been Scientifically proven wrong, but don't let that stop you. You just keep on trying to fall off of the horizon and we'll continue to watch in strange curiosity.
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Yes, cannabis has been proven to protect the lungs from cancer caused by cigarettes. As well, it can protect the brain and is now being tested as a cancer treatment to cure it not just ease the symptoms. One day science will understand that it is the most important plant on the planet and was meant for humans to make use of.
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WeAreChangeKy:
it is an entheogen just like coffee, cocoa, tobacco, and coca...coca becomes a drug when they process it into cocaine, tobacco when they process it with chemicals to make it more addictive, ganja turns into a drug when they make it into Marinol.
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corndog67:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=R...
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/166/7/887
http://www.hnrc.ucsd.edu/publications_pdf/348art200...
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstrac...
http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16521034
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19946940
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600251
http://blog.norml.org/2011/10/29/white-house-response-to-normls-we-the-people-ma...
I don't like to be rude to people who disagree with me, even if their comment was posted two years ago.
But I think the evidence speaks for itself: cannabis isn't bad for you. People who use cannabis are not "useless fucks." Stifling scientific study because you are arrogant enough to "JUST KNOW" that cannabis is bad for you is a hindrance to scientific progress. And people who don't bother to learn anything, who don't look at information for themselves and develop their own individual opinions, who impose their misinformed beliefs on others - people like YOU - are great hindrances to social progress.
Pull your head out of your ass and learn something. Fucking loser.
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Wow! This story is reprehensible! Thanks underthebus.
I support legalization, but hundreds of studies have shown that pot is not good for babies. Are you stoners really that dumb? Marijuana can cause birth defects, premature births, and developmental disorders. Look it up. My nephew was born prematurely and with birth defects because his mother was a heavy smoker. So, it's not a wild, anti-pot conspiracy. It's f**kin dangerous.
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antoine_99:
Antoine_99 if you are going to make blanket statement such as saying "hundreds of studies" then you need to post links to some of the most credible if you expect people to take you seriously. Otherwise you sound like just another one of those alarmists who help to propagate the myth of how destructive cannabis is to the human body.
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antoine_99:
Jubal, I don't have all day to post links for you. Take a little initiative and search it for 5 seconds. You'll find tons of data. Guaranteed.
You want some advice on where to start.....How about any medical journal, ever published, ever.
Not only is this article endangering children, but it also hurts the legalization movement by making smokers look like a bunch of idiots.
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Antoine_99, I am not asking you to do any research for me. I have researched this topic and have made personal observations. And I have 48 years of personal experience to base my assertions on. You are entitled to express your opinions and obviously, many of the studies that you refer to are your gospel. So have a very nice day. But obviously you don't care enough about what you posted to back it up.
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Not a single study or even one ounce of evidence has ever been shown or proven correlating marijuana with birth defects, premature births and developmental disorders. Not one. Cigarettes, yes, alcohol, yes, marijuana, not a single study has been able to show any damage whatsoever. NOT ONE NOT ONE NOT ONE.
You say, look it up...blah, blah blah. How about you look it up and provide a link to a legitimate non-government sponsored study illustrating this evidence. I'll be waiting a long time so I won't hold my breath because such a study does not exist. You are going on one doctor's wrong opinion or rumors started within your family, not hard science, because the science to back that up does not exist.
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Massive fail. Grade school attempt at deflection. Take the time to post a legitimate study, since their is none I won't hold my breath, or your argument falls flat. Hint: anyone up to date on the research knows your statements are propaganda influenced hysteria and the fact is that marijuana is totally harmless to humans and yes, even fetuses.
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I was under the impression that thc does not effect the baby at all since mother and child do not share the same blood supply. THC is oil soluble and does not cross the fluid barrier in the womb, that's what I've heard doctors have told people I know. They smoked herb while pregnant and all their kids have turned out fine.
Women like cannabis when pregnant because it soothes nausea, relieves stress, and helps keep those hormonal swings from making them crazy. =P
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Why do these pot promotional always seem to go through layer upon layer of sympathetic bloc puffing before they wind up here. you follow the references back and each time the description of what the other guy said is a bit less positive. This one is from a blog talking about a piece on another blog referring to an overheard telephone interview about a paper that got written. No one is interested in the actual paper.
here is the paper:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/2/254
Kinda short isn't it.This very small study (25 participants including controls) was done with very very young babies using a scale that is designed primarily to look for gross developmental disabilities. The capability of this test to detect many things is limited simply because the babies are so young, and many diseases do not show symptoms until later in development. Every one of these kids could have grown up autistic for example and we would never know.
http://www.brazelton-institute.com/intro.htmlIn the telephone interview by a pro pot organization, the author discusses the paper and why she thinks it was the best study so far done. Her reasoning doesn't sound bad, but this research is very preliminary, and also old. These babies are teenagers by now but no one checked their growth beyond early infancy, which is not the most useful time to do research. I am very curious why not.
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bombastinator:
Thank you for the clearheaded look into the details, bombastinator.
I used to be more-or-less receptive to these "Weed is good because [x]" posts, but now it's getting silly. I have a hard time trusting them at all, now.
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It's a problem with the internet in general i think rather than the legalization movement in particular. Any given special interest is going to argue for their cause. If you aren.t getting your information from vetted sources like mainstream news you need to do your own fact checking.
The study wasn't a bad study, people are just reading a little more into it than there is. It's like a game of telephone where a simple study gets turned into what is almost a tall tale.
As I said earlier i would really like to see this test redone over a longer period with a larger group. The researcher's idea of going to Rastafarians to do her testing was IMHO very inspired. She just didn't go far enough for whatever reason (probably funding if I had to guess)
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bombastinator:
"As I said earlier i would really like to see this test redone over a longer period with a larger group"
I agree with you on this one, bomb.
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I can't believe most of you are actually considering this? This coming from a pro marijuana site kinda smells like inconclusive facts to me. I'm down for legalizing pot but not giving it to babies, children, and pregnent women wtf people. Theres already an epidemic of over medicating kids and increased cases of adhd and autism which we don't understand yet so throwing pot in the mix will not help. Sober up people.
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BKsaysAction:
I know many couples who used cannabis during the mother's pregnancy and there was no damage to the baby, to the contrary their kids today are straight A students and are on the honor rolls. They are mellow kids who don't stir up a lot of drama.
All those myths about cannabis causing chromosome damage are completely false.
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What is up with you? This is the third time you are calling me a Jew Ball. I am Jewish so what are you trying to say? hmmm? Are you stalking me now?
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BKsaysAction:
The autism is caused by early childhood vaccines, which you don't seem to complain about. ADHD does not exist and was created by psychiatrists as a new way to push medication and treatment. We used to call those kids with high energy rambunctious and many other words. They were destined to be the hard workers in society. However, they are harder for busy working parents to raise without personal attention. So, we sit them in front of TV sets, to babysit them, further increasing the ADHD and medicate them to make them more manageable for a 'hands off' mother and father to raise. ADHD is a disease of lazy parenting not a problem among our children today.
Sober up people? You talk about an epidemic of over-medicating kids with dangerous, factory made chemicals and then say...so throwing pot in the mix will not help.
You obviously don't understand the chemical make-up of the drugs we willingly give our kids and then worry about the most non-toxic plant on the planet? Once again, propaganda has your thinking somewhere other than logic-ville.
The constant use of hand sanitizers in schools is more dangerous for your children than if you smoked one before bedtime with them every night or added it to their food. Yet, the government says use hand sanitizers even though they are doing extreme damage to our eco-system and contain cancer causing ingredients and you go right along. They tell you that the most harmless plant on the planet is for 'hippies' and 'druggies' and you fall right in place and believe them.
Anyone wonder why this country is collapsing inward upon itself?
Pot has never killed anyone, the drug war has killed more people than any other war in history.
What is wrong with this picture? - 1 year ago
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I do have mild ADD, but if I toke the night before I am more focused at work the next day...too bad they have random drug tests now... unintended consequence.
Also I have restless leg syndrome sometimes, but I am not about to take the pharmaceutical treatment for that because it could give me a heart attack; so another unintended consequence of their infringement on my freedom, I sleep less and have poor performance at work.
In their policy it says that it is a violation to be under the influence of cannabinoids, but they don't realize that every one is under the influence because there are endogenous cannabinoids (anandamide was discovered in 1992) so everyone is in violation of the policy. They are just looking for thc-cooh in thier piss tests which does not signify impairment or even recent use. They say they want a drug free work environment, but you can get stoned on Aderal and Xanax....the feds need to quit bullshitting because ganja is the best and safest medicine.
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ONce again, marijuana is good for you. Imagine where cannabis can develop to in our society, a wonder drug that has been buried in bullshit.
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I'll agree that there is a tremendous amount of bullshit being thrown. Myself I think it's coming equally from both directions.
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I agree guys, this article is a bit dangerous. I wouldn't advise anyone take this seriously without extensive research. I dont think there was any medical tests done on these kids. I'm not against Marijuana use, but if any pregnant women out there read this please do not smoke during your pregnancy, there is no easy quick way to magically make your kid smart!
Several babies ended up "mildly retarded" and the didn't include it in the study!? WTF!
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potin:
"Several of the babies ended up 'mildly retarded'"
Could you show me where you found this? It seems this would be very important.
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Thanks.
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