@MoonLoon if you would've read my comments GNC doesn't advocate the use of steroids period. No one should be using a prescription grade substance without the supervision of a physician who actually cares about their patient. Your power-lifter friends know that steroids can damage muscles too fast, so they stay away from them. The gains from steroid use are temporary, and they shouldn't be used for years on end without breaking from use. That is why they're used in cycles. Personally as woman, I don't want enlarged genitalia, so even though my testosterone is 43, when it should be 241-827, I won't use steroids. I take Zinc, and my doctor ordered B-12 injections. There are many natural ways to raise testosterone, like tribulus will raise it to 250.

It was nice having these conversations with you. I do know what I'm talking about with my own body and blood tests. Thank you and have a good day.

@MoonLoon you're tagged out, I tagged you out yesterday on this debate -- HAVE A GOOD DAY NOW! See you at home plate next time buddy!! lol

That's another thing, as this is about baseball, steroid use, and McGwire. This isn't about race. Obviously all colors of players have used steroids in baseball at some point, so let's just let their individual accomplishments, records, and contributions to their team speak for themselves.

I'm listening to project961 in the ATL this morning, and the debate about steroids still seems to be going. There is something that people don't understand, and keep saying that baseball is now fake like wrestling (Shaf), and that they won't want to watch it.

Allow me to explain what happens:
your cells or red blood cells have a metabolism. Red blood cells form tissue, tissue forms muscle, and hormones in every person's body alter the red blood cells according to the plans in the brain. In essence, your body automatically genetically alters the cells in your body to repair itself and keep you well. Using steroids only enhances this process, it is only one component in muscle building, taking something naturally found in the body, and using a cycle to increase the muscle building process. Very much like how a woman's body changes within 6 wks. of getting pregnant, flooding the body with progesterone, testosterone or steroids work the same way to increase muscle mass.

Working out helps activate the body's natural testosterone, to increase levels, and signal the body to produce more muscle. This firing or catalyst, testosterone is the signal to the brain. Your cells will only be able to process so much testosterone at a time, so juicing steroids can damage the body and brain/creating a situation of steroid overdose. Under the direction of a doctor, you are using testosterone to stimulate the body's cell metabolism to build muscle faster. Without monitoring doses and charting weight and mood changes over those 6-9 weeks, you're not allowing the body to use the testosterone properly but abusing the steroids.

Without working out, you are doing nothing but damaging your liver, as your body passes all of that stuff that isn't used out through the liver/then excretes it through your urine. You must work out in order to use steroids, and you must not abuse them. Giving yourself the wrong dose can produce overdose or death. Thinking you need more when your body will only use so much of the extra that you put in is not the right thinking. That is why they're designed to be used on a cycle, very much like a B12 injection once a week, allowing the body to use it properly. Taking too many steroids is kind of like drinking too much alcohol, but alcohol has estrogen in it. Moderation in drinking is not harmful, but the body develops tolerance, so steroids may not always work as well to achieve your goals.

Without training and disciplining the body, it won't use the natural testosterone in your body optimally, so this is especially important that you're working out and processing the testosterone taken in for controlled steroid use. Too much testosterone not utilized gives athletes a puffy swollen look, rather than a ripped and cut muscle definition. The same thing happens when you work out too hard and damage your muscles too much. That is why steroids must be used carefully and under the direction of a physician, as you can do more harm than good taking the wrong dose.

what the fuck does the fact that mcgwire was competing against sosa have to do with anything? does that prove that baseball isnt racist? Do me a favor the next time tou have nothing to say dont say it. it makes you sound like the ignorant person that you are.

dont hate on Barry for having the intestinal fortitude to tell the biased reporters to eat the peanuts out of his shit and not care what light they portray him in.He should be judged by his abilities as a pro ballplayer not by his gullibility in trying to skin and grin to please the white reporters and masses It seems white people are more comfortable when a black player is soft with no opinion about things outside of baseball .or in other words just be glad we are even here it .seems most think we should talk softly and avert our eyes when in the presence of other whites .Newsbreak... we are here we have opinions and we will voice them whenever and whereever we deem appropriate. regardless of the consequences. Money talks. and if there is a brother out there who can play .then trust me some money grubbing owner will spend the money to accquire the very same highly skilled player to play the gamegame which to this day is still segregatated. only now it is done undercover That is why they constantly regurgitate the coaches,front office and general managers.they know if baseball gets too black they will lose much money and fans. remember whites attend the games, blacks buy the lerseys. Ty cobb was the biggest racists asshole there was yet when he is mentioned it is always with glory and admiration.yet he was one of the biggest self addmited racist there ever was eand he is in the hall of fameWHERE is all the self righteous indignation. barry was a 5 tool player ty cobb was a racist knowm for sliding into first base spikes first and he also ounce killed a man WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE once again god dont like ugly

McGwire you douche, you owe Canseco an apology

To all those who think his records should be thrown out and he should be banned from the Hall, are you prepared to do the same thing to A-Rod? Because if you're not, you're a hypocrite, and I'm telling you so.

A decent percentage of our news should just be called: 'RHETORICAL FACTS YOU LIKELY DE JAVUED.' Christ, why is it that we have to be strung along like a pack of ignorant 3-year olds.

@MoonLoon Well I don't. I don't see where you have any educational or experiential knowledge that you're bringing to the debate, and I merely meant to support the arguments for and against steroids by a comparison to the controversy over meth. Unless I see some medical certification, then your comments are really one of your own opinion rather than fact.

@MoonLoon I'm actually female, and even though my testosterone is low, I don't think I'll opt to use a testosterone prescription injection but stick with my Zinc tablets. I have a phobia of needles, and I hated it when my doctor prescribed me a B-12 injection to help with hormonal imbalance. I don't really look at steroid use as cheating, but I do look at it as dangerous to an athlete when it's not used wisely. Steroids are never meant to replace working out and strength training, or muscle resistance training. It's merely one component in all of that which can help if used in moderation or can kill when taken over the edge.

@MoonLoon correct it was used by Japanese fighter pilots to stay awake, and I wouldn't doubt that it has some sort of truth serum like properties. Anything at strong doses can be lethal, as 6,000 people died last year from prescription pill abuse, unlike the 1.5 million current users of meth. People are more likely to overdose on pills, because they digest in the stomach, as the body will reject large quantities of meth and force the body to throw it up, as it creates a serious chemical reaction when hitting the stomach acid:
remember the Brian Nichols incredible hulk-like rampage?

He swallowed the drug. Smoking the drug is much like a stronger dose of dopamine that you would get instead of smoking a cigarette, when you're only going to get 1-2mg of dopamine in the brain from a cigarette, but with meth you get 1250mg. Which is why ingestion is instantly toxic and has psychotic effects of even a small amount. The potency and effects of meth, that produces so much more dopamine varies with how it is processed, so it's not like a measurable amount that you know that would come from cigarettes. There are all different kinds of meth, but since they aren't legally regulated, there's no way to standardize it, like cigarettes contain a certain amount of nicotine, which in turn, produces a certain amount of dopamine in the brain.

Without regulation, some grades of meth are toxic, while others are cut.

Who cares? Its all about The KID. The best player of his generation, if you look at his body it looks like he never touched the stuff, and when he stated to get older and player for the reds he got hurt. for like 5 years straight.

Duh. Thats why I don't really consider the new school dudes (McGuire, Sosa, Bonds) as having "surpassed" the old school dudes (Marris, Mantle, Aaron).

living 15 minutes from STL and watching the Cards play since forever, IT'S NO SURPRISE. i don't understand why everyone's so up in arms about it. everyone knew...

@MoonLoon GNC doesn't advocate steroids, because they're prescription grade. If you want testosterone, you can easily get more of it from Zinc, a very cheap and natural source. Your body will only be able to use the extra testosterone effectively if you work out, and if you don't work out, then all you're doing is straining your liver.

I think you need to do a little more research rather than pop off about something like this, as steroids do improve performance, but they are banned as the body can become addicted to them and produce undesired side effects. This is more for the safety of the individual athlete, rather than the integrity of baseball. There is reason to repeal the ban on steroids, as long as people are under the care of a sports medicine expert, and then there are reasons to keep the ban, as in the case of Chris Benoit's incompetent doctor who exploited him as an athlete and killed him. Chris Benoit was not a stupid person, if he knew that steroids would've altered his brain chemistry so quickly he wouldn't have taken them, and only when he was at the end of his rope was it then he realized that steroids had taken over his life.

Anything can be an idol, and if we worship steroids as the road to the pinnacle of sports performance, nothing could be a greater lie. Steroids won't help you actually build true muscle mass, it is a gimmick for quick strength. Look at Lex Luger, if he thought that he'd have ended up at the Sheperd Spine Center for what it did to his back, he wouldn't have done it. Anything taken to an extreme can be injurious, especially steroids. There are people like McGwire who have used them, and they are not crippled or dead.

Consider why that is, and let's move on.... you should really do some more research until you make assumptions MoonLoon.

The use of methamphetamines hasn't been fully investigated as an experimental sports medicine. Like steroids, it does have some enhancing properties, gives you more energy and works like a fat blaster. It does work as an appetite suppressant, but moderate use will not stop a person from eating sensibly. Many people who are dopamine deficient, like a diabetic is insulin deficient, may feel drawn to this for the amount of dopamine that loads quickly into the body.

It does a lot of free radical damage to the brain and the muscles, which accelerates the process that would normally occur during working out or stressful situations. Meth can cause you to bleed faster, if you were injured, but when cessation occurs, the chemicals work to harden the muscles like they were stone.

This is very effective for someone who is a boxer or street fighter, as no amount of working out can prepare you for repeated body shots and pummeling. Yet again, when you see the amount of people who are obese, are the consequences of moderate use that bad?

We really don't know, as they haven't been accurately documented or proven, we just now that meth abuse is readily apparent in the free radical damage of the teeth and brain/in neglecting care of the body and mind, putting the drug use above other functions like eating, as the dopamine taken in surpasses the dopamine that you get from food. Some people who are deficient in dopamine, who use meth, it doesn't really effect them in a negative way, as someone who has dopamine stored already, that makes them manic instead of balanced.

Let me dispel a common myth about steroids that maybe a lot of those commenting here don't seem to understand: STEROIDS TECHNICALLY DO NOT MAKE YOU STRONGER! I worked for GNC, and I will tell you that we didn't advocate steroid injections, as they give you the appearance of being stronger, rather than possessing muscle strength. For example, it loads the muscle with water, so you can really injure yourself taking them. We did however, sell creatine, which does the same thing but isn't prescription strength like steroids. We did sell human growth hormone, which enhances the body's ability to repair the muscle damage from working and would be most effective in pairing it with steroids and hgh isn't illegal. Steroids without working out and ridding the body of what you don't use/or overusing steroids, called juicing, not a set of monitored injections will cause other problems, especially in relation to altering brain chemistry. Think ROID RAGE.... and very likely induce a psychotic episode if a toxic dose is juiced into the system. Your body will only process so much of the chemicals that you put into your body.

Please keep in mind that your body decides what is too much, not you or a doctor, and your body will do anything to restore itself to a natural balance.

confession may be good for the soul but it only cast a shamelfull light on those who played sports without enhancements

The reason McGwire didn't come forward is because of the statute of limitations. He broke the record in 1998, so for 7 years he can be legally prosecuted if that was pursued, and they waited until 2005 to bring him up on charges. It has now been 5yrs., which is equivalent to serving a 20yr. sentence for a drug charge. You have to possess it in order to consume it, and McGwire didn't want to admit to being a steroid consumer, as his supplier could be charged with crimes, especially if he doesn't have a license to dispense drugs. Yet the state would have to decide to press charges and now that the time is up to pursue the matter, legally, they can't touch him or the supplier unless they have financial records of some sort of dealing steroids in mass quantities and profiting off of it.

We SHOULD acknowledge that the law isn't conducive to honesty, and it punishes you for telling the truth.

I, of all people, know firsthand the stigma of controversial drugs and how the law is outdated and costing of us millions upon billions of dollars housing 85% of the jail population for drug offenses, and it is a money racket for the judicial and law enforcement system. The FDA will have to step in and start regulating illegal drugs, as illegal drugs are starting to be chemically altered in ways never seen. In 2006, a blend of heroin and meth hit the street, like "methopium", but people thought that they were buying meth only. Now they're nursing an addiction unmatched to heroin or meth alone, and this was perpetrated by Al Qaida to take over the money from Mexican cartels in the illegal drug market, in order to have the money to acquire/accomplish their nuclear weapons agenda.

Drugs are a big business, and prescription pills have taken over the illegal drug market, as derivatives of poppy plants. We have to wake up to the fact that we're spending HUGE amounts of money on drugs and giving these people money to purchase weapons when we're not sure of the source of poppy, synthesized opium/heroin, or meth. Many people with questionable ties/moderates who fund terrorism are investors in prescription drugs and pharmacies.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!

And I still love the game!

After all this time ,,,,,Damn !

No one can deny the successes of Canseco and McGwire, or the tragic deaths like Benoit in the sports world, and should we appeal their use/how do we hold doctors accountable?

My grandmother had to take steroids for her polymyalga, and she died from the debilitating consequences/side effects. There are illegal drugs that mimic the effects of steroids: methamphetamine, for example used to be a legal asthma treatment and used by the Japanese. 1.5 million people use it, and there a short-term gains, but very much the same consequences of abusing the drug like abusing steroids. I really thought that McGwire would say that he was using it as an experimental sports medicine, which is why he got by the inquiry when he was tested for steroids, as meth passes through your system clearly.

Truly, knowing that the long-term effects of certain drugs or abuse of using the drug is high, how do we have accountability without honesty? He felt like he had to lie to protect his career, because drug laws are antiquated. I can't fault him there! The laws haven't caught up with the science, and neither have probation officers or courts, and they look at you like you're evil for being more educated than they are and if you dare point it out, then you're a criminal because they're ignorant.

No, the only thing criminal about it is if it is abused, or if doctors do not monitor or over-medicate, there's nothing criminal beyond that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/13/60minutes/main941102.shtml

Guys like Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, from the Randy White 80's were never tested, and truth be told, more pitchers than hitters are on juice now. Bill Romanowski admitted to using steroids so he could keep up with Black athletes. I'm a former professional athlete. I've known for years who was using. The word gets around. Damn near everybody in the swimming pool is dirty now. World records in every swimming event fall every year. Go figure. MMA fighters are dirty

As a Cards fan, I like that he did this now to hopefully get the elephant out of the room before spring training so that the team that employs him now can go about normal business. He really should not have been hired as a hitting coach anyway, but had to do this to be accepted as a team employee.

Take away the record, no hall.

This is a shocking, shocking admission. Really, these confessions indicate that steroids completely frak with player consciousness.

DURRRR!

Bonds, Sousa, and many, many others including Tiger
Woods have been using performance enhancing additives. A look at the physical changes to them should alert us to the truth. Football, boxing,track, and basketball has all been diminished by these cheaters.

man o man......... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII KNEWWW ITT!!! hahaha jk

Haha. Poor Mark. He really thinks there's someone out there who believed he wasn't using them. All he did was bring steroid use to the attention of the world. Good job Mark. Millions of kids are using steroids now because you did and they saw what they can do for someone. Someone give this guy an award.

So has any pro-sports player not used steroids then?

Yes fuck "Mcgwire the Mcliar"(good header for the sports section) and Very gay Costas!! P.S. I thought I was the only that couldn't stand Costas and the other dude that doesn't shut up during the game...
Money talks, BS walks

His record for the whole time he used them should be wiped out and he should have to pay back the team every penny they paid him. Plus he should serve time in jail for drug use. I hate these high paid spoiled brats who can't do it on their own. Throw them the fuck out of baseball or whatever game they play in. Shit all Pete Rose did was gamble and they treat him like a criminal and the drug using player as a victim.

thats like adam lambert admitting hes gay

Now america will show its true racist colors. When Barry Bonds was implicated everyone wanted to act as if he was scarface. now that mcgwire has come clean everyone wants to make it a bump in the road. go back and review all of the reports on bonds. each one was written in a bad light, defaming his character, abilities, and intentions yet just this evening all of the sportswriters who have a hall of fame vote were busy giving interviews softening their stance that mere days ago was dead set against voting for anyone who had anything to do with steroids. Mark my words, Mcgwire WILL make the hall of fame for the same reason that people of color were initally were not allowed to even play the game. RACE...Baseball is the last frontier as far as professional sports goes..it is the last sport that white people feel comfortable supporting...seeing as how it is the last sport that is majority white. Thanks to Tiger Woods. Where is all the outrage? why are there not multiple camera crews parked on Mcgwire's lawn? why is this news being treated as a blip on the steroid hunt radar? Why is Barry bonds not able to play baseball? Mcgwire has been accepted back into the fold why not bonds? If any team tries to employ Bonds in any capacity there would be instant outrage. By admitting to his misdeeds Mcgwire is only paving the way for his eventual acceptance to the hall of fame. Hey white america....god dont like ugly.

No duh!

He just wants to be in the news.

Yes we all knew it but my favorite part is that he says he regrets it. Damn i sure do regret shattering the home run record and being the talk of the entire US for 2 consecutive years. The only thing he regrets is that Barry Bonds say the success he had on the sauce and jumped on board and beat him at his own game. I guarantee if he still held the record he wouldn't have said anything.

Not really news, because we already ALL knew this.

So, I guess someone DOES care about getting into the Hall of Fame! Whatever, I hope the writers see through his crap and snub the crap out of him.

Mark McGwire = douche.

what about the 80s in Oak-town Mac???

i guess a partial is better than none at all.

We all knew he would admit it at some point.

Big fuckin deal