Is sixteen too young for a sex change?
source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/12/spanish-teenager-transsexual-operation
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The unnamed teen had been taking hormones to change his body since the age of 15 and had been seeing doctors and psychiatrists for even longer.
The Guardian explains that, though the normal age for this kind of operation is 18-years-old in Spain, the teenager was granted special permission after his parents made the request. They go on to say "the boy had reportedly tried to commit suicide on several occasions. As a child he was convinced that he was really female, but had been born in the wrong body.
Gina Serra, president of the Catalan Association of Transsexuals, said it was possible from an early age for a child to be conscious that they were in the wrong body.
"An eight-year-old child knows already what they want to be and what they do not want to be," she said.
"In the end, everything depends on the support that they find within their own family."
"It is a condition that one is born with but which you cannot operate for until they are 18 years old," said Mañero.
"That, for a doctor, is something of a shock. No one could imagine that if your child was born with, say, leukaemia, we would say we must wait until 18 before operating."
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Mariased
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Good for her. It's certainly not up to me or anyone else to dictate how she wants to live her life.
- 2 years ago
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Mariased
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Newcastle81
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At 16 I wanted quite a few different things & wanted to be a musician that is minor compared to this, but if the person in question has undergone all phycological tests & is fully aware of the implications that it occur then yes but wait till the age of 18 before any op in order to see if they change there mind.
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Newcastle81
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Nephwrack
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seems a little silly to me.
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Nephwrack
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calm_incense
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Nephwrack:
douche.
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calm_incense
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corndog67
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It's obviously not too young to have serious mental issues.
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corndog67
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Trauzer
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"It is a condition that one is born with but which you cannot operate for until they are 18 years old," said Mañero.
"That, for a doctor, is something of a shock. No one could imagine that if your child was born with, say, leukaemia, we would say we must wait until 18 before operating."
I take great offense to this statement. You're going to have the gall to say having a sex change operation is on par with cancer? If you're not feeling that you are the right gender, it is a condition that you are not going to die from. It may cause you psychological stress, but it is not the same as having an incurable condition that you will live with for the rest of your life.
Shame on him. I expect better from a doctor.
- 2 years ago
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Trauzer
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GLiz
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I think that the individual is too young for a sex change. This is a major decision for a 16 year old. I believe that the parents, just wanted to pleased their son. I think that once the sex change is completed. The boy, now a girl, should go to therapy. The transistion is not going to be easy. What is going to happen when she goes back to school?
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GLiz
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calm_incense
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If you're going to do it, you might as well do it early. If he wants to experience life as a girl, he may as well get some high school years out of it, not to mention have it all "done" by the time he enters the adult world (aka, "getting it out of the way).
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calm_incense
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sadyellow
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Since the body is not fully developed at 16, yes it is too young and dangerous!
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sadyellow
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ItsNaYo
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Really I feel like I could say so much here... but really it all comes down to is, yeah he's too young. 18 is only 2 years away for him.
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ItsNaYo
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Odin_Torchwood
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I believe this operation should remain at 18 years, some people I know went through this operation. Some now regret doing it for whatever reasons, they were all over 21, one is considering a "reversal" operation. Also, a person is still a minor until they turn 18 and be more mature about such decisions involving sex change. Keep the legal age for sex change operations to over 18's
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Odin_Torchwood
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unimatrix0
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One can not give a one size fits all answer. Some kids at 16 are more mature and together than the average 40 year old. And there are plenty of immature adults who act like kids.
In this case I trust the kid, the parents, the judge, and the numerous psychiatrists and physicians who all agree that in this particular case, it is the right thing to do.
Clearly this is not an individual going through a phase, or experimenting (which is healthy). This is an individual who has known since age 8 that something was desperately wrong, and has gone to great lengths, and jumped through many hoops, to make changes in her life.
I wish her well..
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unimatrix0
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EdJoyProductions
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unimatrix0:
I could not have said it better.
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EdJoyProductions
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unimatrix0:
I agree. And your replies to other people were quite appropriate.
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ahappymintleaf
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CarolineS
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As i child i had gender issues and wanted and thought that i was a boy, however before i was 16 i had grown out of this, it seems to me if this young man still feels the same way he did when he was a child, then a sex change operation is for him, however i feel society places too many expectations and limitations on certain genders, so much so that a person similar to the man in this case, would feel like they need to have a vagina to be fully a woman, at the end of the day he will never bear children, and a woman changing to a man will never impregnate a woman, but each to their own, whatever makes someone happy
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CarolineS
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diabolical44
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any age is the wrong age for a sex change.
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THE_PHOENIX
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The brain and body aren't fully developed, until like 21, so why tinker with what was given you? You could do more harm than good changing how wonderful you were created.
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THE_PHOENIX
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Ali55
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First I want to say that this child should be slapped(HARD) Sometimes I wonder what kind of world I live in when it's accepted that "ANYBODY" gets a sex change let alone a 16 year old boy. What do his male friends do now? Shake his hand or hug him lol. The world becomes even more complicated... smdh
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Ali55
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unimatrix0
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Ali55:
fail
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unimatrix0
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Ali55:
Wow Ali,
Let's see- advocating violence against children, transgender intolerance, and homophobia. All in 4 lines. Well done.
You should drag your knuckles back to the 18th century where your opinion would be appreciated. I'm sure you'll be treated with the respect you deserve as a human being too.
My only question is why your profile says you are "Smart and Analytical"
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flyingkick
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EdJoyProductions
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Ali55:
Smart and analytical? LOL. Double fail. :)
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EdJoyProductions
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Ali55:
Ali. go home. shhhh....
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redvelvet1278
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the thing is.... therapy is required for a long time before they just snip. and in this case therapy should be required till they turn 18. just physically speaking a person should probably BE DONE WITH PUBERTY before re-assigning their gender. i 100% think that people should be allowed to make this choice and i highly doubt that he is just a confused teen. that said, i have met more than one man that was once a woman and unless they were VERY strong personally and emotionally they didn't come out of it golden. there was a lot of anger and a suprising ammount of it was directed at those who had stood beside them through the whole thing. this is NOT to say that this goes for everyone. my point is that at that age i would have had a very hard time making such a transition and every effort should be made to build up this boy's self esteem before during and after. because no matter your body- you are who you are inside.
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ozoneocean
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A condition that one is born with? That shows an amazingly primitive grasp of the human mind and body.
I don't think that 16 is too young for an actual sex change, but it's definitely the youngest I'd allow. This "an 8 year old knows what it wants to be" is a load of rubbish spouted by an ideologue for his cause who;s so stupid he'll end up hurting it more than helping it. The transexuals there need a new president. - 2 years ago
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sidewayssquare
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i thought i had ideas about what i wanted to be when i was 10, and then i thought i knew what i wanted when i was an 18, im 32 now and i dont desire the same things i did when i was a kid.
it sounds like this kid is in alot of pain and conflict (several suicide attempts) it sounds like he needs try to work things out, i dont like shrinks, thier job is to tell you have a problem and sell you drugs, i think a sex change is a horrible idea period.
if your not happy with your self, how is emulating the opposite of your self going to help you? and if you have convinced youself that thats the only way, you are simpily destroying your temple.
if you feel sexual/gender confusion then perhaps sexual relations are NOT suposed to be a part of your life.
and lastly you will lead a life of lies, lying to yourself, lying to your friends, lying to your lover, lying to everyone that lays eyes on you.
what do you tell your husband when you gont get pregnant? ohh by the way im a guy... sorta...
i wish you and your family well, hope you find peace in life, peace comes to you, the more you try to force peace the more elusive it is
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justputsomething
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sidewayssquare:
I don't think you're being particularly fair. Sure, everyone goes through times in their life where they're not sure what their purpose is, or what they want out of life, but equating that with gender perception is a little bit different. Did you ever question your gender, or believe you were born into the wrong body? As far as I know, that's not an extremely common belief. Gender perception seems to be a very serious conviction, one that is a bit more immutable than life goals or other desires.
Just because her conviction doesn't line up with your world view, doesn't mean you should undermine the importance it holds for her. I don't know what shrinks you've been to, but their job isn't to tell you that you have a problem; it's to listen to you, and suggest ways of diminishing your distress. I doubt the shrinks had much say in this young woman's convictions. She probably went in, distressed and suicidal, certain in her gender perception, and the shrink just tried to help her return to a stable emotional state. That's their job; to make sure the person is in a stable emotional and mental state, before they proceed with the surgery. I don't know this girl personally, but I'd be willing to bet that her shrink(s) have provided her with invaluable help.
I'll pose the same question to you, that you posted. "If you're not happy with yourself, how is emulating the opposite of yourself going to help you?" She is a girl, in the only way that matters; her perception. Humans modify their bodies now, in order to be more comfortable. I'm not even talking about boob jobs, or tummy tucks, or anything like that (though, I still believe those surgeries are a matter of personal choice). I'm talking about LASIK surgery, dentures, prosthetic limbs, cochlear implants, etc. Naturally, people's bodies do not always work perfectly. In fact, many people are born with debilitating illnesses and disabilities, mental and physical. Would you tell those people that their body is a temple, and the pain they experience is natural? If so, I'll stop arguing with you. However, I doubt that you would. This girl should not be forced, or even encouraged, to live her life in a body that does not meet her mental and emotional needs.
Also, what do you mean by "if you feel sexual/gender confusion, then perhaps sexual relations are not supposed to be part of your life?" Sex and gender are two different things. I don't see mention of sexual confusion anywhere in the article. In fact, I take offense at your use of the word confusion; this girl knew she was a girl. The only problem seems to lie in the fact that she was "supposed to be" a boy, a harmful assumption, and one I wish people would let go of. Why shouldn't she be able to participate in sex? What basis do you have for that statement?
Why would she lead a life of lies? Do you think it is her physical appearance or her emotional well-being that defines her? Do you converse with the body, or with the mind? Is it the body that has the experiences, or is it the mind? According to science, it is the mind. It is the mind that can process and give meaning to every experience. Given that, it seems that the mind is the most important thing. If she believes she is a female in her mind, and that is what is comfortable for her, then what right do you have to say that she is lying? Sure, she should, in some cases, explain that her body was born with the wrong parts. However, I think that it should be handled the same way that any other cured disability is; reveal it, if you think you should. And, if her husband or future partner would like to have a child, she should explain that her original anatomy makes that impossible, much the same way a woman with polycistic ovarian syndrome should explain that her condition makes it very difficult, or a woman who's had a hysterectomy should explain that her operation makes it impossible. I think that this should become that much of a non-issue.
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justputsomething
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Varex_Sythe
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Ignoring the basic issues of being 16 and not knowing what the hell you want in life... This kid shouldn't have a sex change for the basic fact that his body is still growing and maturing. He should wait, at the very least, until his body is done going through puberty.
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Varex_Sythe
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Varex_Sythe:
But that's the entire complication. Why would she want her body to fully mature as a male when she wants to have the body of a female? Plus she's taking hormones, so her body is in a rough state, regardless.
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Varex_Sythe:
The problem is genetically, the body is one gender at this point, and will try to continue developing in that gender throughout puberty. If the boy can wait until after puberty, he might have grown more as a man than he wanted to, but it will be far less complicated medically.
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Lindsay_Brown
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This isn't a question of sexuality, this is a question of gender. Sexuality is fluid and can change over time, but you will be hard pressed to find someone whose gender identity changes as fluidly (I'm looking at you, Kate Bornstein) This girl knows what her gender is and what her sex should be, and since she's already taking hormones she most likely has had counseling, and adding on the risks of suicide, its obvious that this surgery would help with her gender dysmorphia. I thought teenagers at 16 could have plastic surgery under parental consent, why not this girl? Besides, some have said the younger the onset of hormones and surgery the better the results as far as body issues.
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paige_d
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Sorry hell0everything, but there's a difference with being confused and actually understanding that something is different about you than everyone else.
If you actually would have been a lesbian, you probably would have realized that early on in your childhood. You would have known that there was a disconnect with what people expected you to be and what you actually felt.
While I think that this is a major surgery and a major decision to make at 16, that doesn't mean that individual is too young in this situation. It would take a lot of courage and commitment to make this transition and, even at 16, this is not something that would easily be taken lightly.
I think the real knowledge regarding this would come from the greater transgendered / transsexual community and finding out when they understood those feelings of disconnect within themselves.
For gay/lesbian/bisexuals it is not uncommon for these people to know from a pre-puberty age their sexual attractions. From transsexuals, it would be interesting to find out when they had their operation and how satisfied they were with their decision.
Without knowing or experiencing these feelings first hand, it's easy to assume that 16 is too young. Probably the best part of this article is that there is family support---how wonderful!
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CuteBruiser
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This article needs to have its pronouns fixed. If the teen in question identifies as female then she needs to be referred to as such, even if she hasn't had her operation yet.
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CuteBruiser
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CuteBruiser:
I absolutely agree that if the teen in question identifies as female then she needs to be referred to as such but in text above, masculine pronouns are used to refer to the teen before the operation. She's had the operation but before that took place, it's correct to use 'he', 'his' etc.
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CuteBruiser:
Except that she is not a he, only her body was male. Pronouns such as "he" and "she" refer to a person's state of mind, not their physical sex. Do a quick Google search on correct use of pronouns for trans and you'll see what I mean. If you want to be really politically correct and sensitive in these situations when you're not sure what is appropriate, you can always use gender neutral pronouns such as as hir and zie.
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CuteBruiser:
Completely agree. It annoys me a lot when pronouns are misused, but at the same time I can't blame people in casual conversation for being confused. In an article like this, however, there is no excuse.
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CuteBruiser:
Thanks for the info CuteBruiser. I'm interested in reading more on this.
The doctor who headed up the treatment used 'he', it's interesting to note, as did the AP and other news sources:
"Dr Ivan Manero, who has been treating the teenager with hormone therapy for two years, said shortly before the surgery: 'When the family contacted me he was 14 years old.
'During the last two years he has received treatment and he is totally prepared for the surgery.
'It is preferable to operate before the patient is 18, because at that age it is more minor operation because the patient is not so well developed.'
Dr Manero, head of the hospital's Gender Disorder Unit, added: 'He is not the first person under 18 to have come for sex change advice, but he is the first one whose parents where prepared to confront the Justice system so their child could be happy.'"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1242532/Spanish-boy-16-worlds-...
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Yes, it is too young, and absolutely ridiculous.
Teens often question their sexuality - they may be sure they are gay one day but it may change a week later. The fact that kids in college change majors pretty much cancels out the notion that "An eight-year-old child knows already what they want to be and what they do not want to be."
People don't even fully develop their personalities until they are about 30. Being a transsexual is one thing, but running out and getting a sex change at 16 is another.
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slarabee:
I agree, that is what I was going to post. He can wait TWO years, if its what he really wants.
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I thought I was a lesbian at 16 because my then-boyfriend was dirty and gross. I realized all men weren't as dirty as he was, and I realized I did indeed like dudes and I'm not a lesbian. But, you know, girls are still pretty =)
All I'm saying is, making MAJOR decisions like that concerning your body/sexual image at that age is sooo dangerous because of puberty and all of the hormonal changes going on. Who knows how the additional hormones she was taking were effecting the ones already raging because of puberty?
I'm not discrediting by any means her desire to change her physical appearance to how she felt inside, but honey, just wait two years, please.
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hell0everything:
Thinking you're a lesbian because your boyfriend is gross and feeling suicidal because you feel you were born the wrong sex are two TOTALLY different things.
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hell0everything:
I wasn't comparing situations, I was comparing how people at that young age jump to drastic conclusions or actions quickly, without serious thought or patience. It's just not a part of adolescent brain functioning.
Was just using personal experience to attest to that frantic decision-making.
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