President Obama to Request Another $33 Billion for Unpopular Wars

Former Pres. Bush invaded Iraq with the excuse and without solid proof that they had weapons of mass destruction. Congress never declared war in Iraq...Bush just went on in invading it illegally. His father on the other hand invaded Kuwait with brilliance. He got other nations to cooperate and ended Iraq occupation within six weeks. Now, in response to the terrorist attack on 9-11 Bush gave himself the excuse to declare the "perfect" and invisible war (of which you say) on terrorist. It makes since because terrorist exists everywhere and anywhere in the world. My question is if Osama Bin Ladin was the blame and greatest terrorist threat to America at that time then why didn't he go after Bin Ladin instead Saddam? These are the points as to why I said Bush was and idiot. Maybe not literally but the way he decided to go about dealing with these situations is what caused a lot of damage.

As for Afghanistan, just because he is sending more troops and money to our military over there doesn't mean the war is going last any longer. As I have replied to Monkey_Films, I said that it is smart to get a huge sum of troops in Afghanistan now, get the war over with the most power you can in a short amount of time. Time which Obama said would be in 2012 (if everything goes right). I'm against the war because interventionism does create more terrorism but now that we have made their problems our problem with the excuse of the Taliban being a terrorist threat, we can't just leave Afghanistan like if nothing ever happened.

History does reveal to us that we have failed a war that wasn't even ours in the first place in Vietnam. You can compare Afghanistan and say its just another Vietnam war. In a sense the enemy IS invisible thus making it more difficult to fight this war than the Vietnam war but unlike the Vietnam war other nations agree with the US and are also participating in this war.

I agree with you on that point of which is what Ron Paul also says, interventionism and occupation does destroy families and does create more terrorists. However because there are so many variables that are tied within the war in Afghanistan Obama can't just bring the troops back just like that. Remember that a major key point that started World War 1 was tension. Tension that is occurring today with Yemen, Iran, Pakistan, and other nations. Obama said that he is going to start to withdraw troops from Afghanistan by 2012 (if everything goes well). However is tension gets any bigger and other conflicts escalate we may be in there for a longer war. That's why its smart to get a huge sum of troops in Afghanistan now, get the war over with the most power you can in a short amount of time. Let's just hope that all goes well before 2012.

Although the Afghan war is not our problem like bking has said... the Afghans want us there right now. Especially after the the re-election. If more troops and money is what we need then let the aid continue, so long as Obama keeps his word.

I was getting ready to smash away at my keyboard and unleash the storm that has been brewing in my brain for awhile now, esp about Afghanistan but Gavin, you storm my thunder...great post. I agree with you completely. I don't understand why more people don't realize (or chose to ignore many of the points that you made)....thank you for beating me to the punch and unleashing some pure truth!.........B

Pajarito, your points are all well-taken. The notion that because the Afghanistan war that began 9 years ago is now Obama's war simply because it is still going on a year after he took office is not only absurd, it is hopelessly naive. If the U.S. pulled out today...or even in 90 days, the report that was just prepared by the General who recommended 40,000 troops a few months ago...name escapes me right at the moment, but I know he was portrayed as a Petraeus deciple could not have been clearer that Afghanistan would become a terrorist state.

It may be a poor nation, but nonetheless, having an entire nation and the bulk of its reources to serve as a base of operations would provide Al Qaeda and a number of other groups with similar agendas the opportunity to kill and spread fear and panic all over the world on a scale we have not seen before. Hey, I certainly understand that it would be nice if we could all be 10 years old and able to pretend that the world is safe because Mommy and Daddy are there to make it so. But the rest of us have to live in the adult world.

And of course th person who posted this drivel, Monkey Films, has an agenda that is laughably transparent...he could not give a shit less whether the wars in those countries ended. All he cares about is throwing shit at Obama because that is what monkeys do...

That was perfection, Pajarito 7...thank you for your brave post. Too many people on Current mean well but never stop to think about the realities of the world. Evil exists and it does want to destroy our way of life..........I agree with you completely concerning Afghanistan. I have been in the Army my entire adult life (straight out of High School). I did two tours in Iraq and 3 in Afghanistan. My unit received it’s deployment orders a few weeks ago (read the paper and take a guess….I am sure you guess which Unit)….and of course, I miss my family, my friends and even after all this time I am still scared (but that little bit of fear keeps you razor sharp)……….Afghanistan is a just war. The legal, democratic Afghanistan government wants us there. The Afghan soldiers and villages want us there. They are a proud and fiercely independent people and have no desire to live under the oppressive regimen of the religious Taliban government. We need the surge of troops, updated technology and newer modern equipment to succeed. We also have to convince the Afghan people were are their friends and develop strong diplomatic ties with the various Afghan tribes. If, we fail our new Afghan allies, Pakistan is soon to follow. I don’t know who can sleep safe at night with a militant Islamic Government armed with nuclear weapons. The boogie man is real, don’t forgot that and thank a soldier or any member of the Armed Services if you ever have the peasure of meeting him/her………………….proud since 94’ Sua Sponte

Great post Monkey even if I believe completely different, but that's what makes this forum so amazing....B

infowars is great.....and the Military Industrial Complex is live and well. Many wars are fought simply for business and profit. I have spent my entire adult life in the Military and a few weeks ago we received our deployment orders once again 3 time in 4 1/2 years. The combat arms division in the Army are stretched to the breaking point. But, strange as this sounds, I believe Afghanistan is justified war. The Afghan people want us there, they want to live in peace. Not be ruled by the harsh rule of the Taliban..............

Huh? You're going to tell us when the "bad men" we created financially in the first place are gone? Genious!

Bushido it's tough being a even just a bit right wing on Current. You get slammed all the time. Mention war or violence and your labeled a baby killer, murder or worse. I agree with a lot these people have to say concern certain social issues about they are so naive about security issues. People don't realize or accept that the world is filed with people who want to destroy our way of life.