Austrian scientists bury live pigs in snow

Maybe 100% guilty death row inmates, no shadow of a doubt. I could go with that.

Waist not want not ...... they aren't doing anything .

I love Penn and Teller, but I would not personally strangle every chimp on earth if it was pointless and wasteful and I wasn't sure it would save anyone. There are other ways to do this experiment. There are all kinds of machines and robots that can test exactly what they are asking about so why kill something? If there is a specific thing that can only be learned by animal testing, I don't have too much a problem with that. But if there are other alternatives that do not include torturing and killing an animal, I vote to do that instead.

Ironic sidenote - my little avatar is Baby from "The Devil's Rejects", she would go for using the scientists instead. :D

The problem is that not everyone on death row is guilty. Somewhere along the line the inmates got control of the asylum.

I agree with you on that point . Ideally the really bad should be used for science . Better make damn sure they are guilty .

I think falling victim to an avalanche is god's way of saying "it's your time!"

Oh, but that was written by a storyteller. So it's not FACT.

MAN kind...... not humankind..... only the males of the human species???

I actually suffered through reading that fairy tale book -- with so many interpretations and contradictions -- and nowhere did I ever read where some god mentioned animal testing.

BUT, I'll be glad to eat my words if you can pull up a video that shows this particular entity saying just that, prior to someone then writing it in a big book.

The interesting thing about your comment is that pigs actually pass the mirror test.

Another interesting thing about your comment is that young children tend to fail the mirror test. I guess our lives don't have value until a certain age.

Ummmmmmmm.............. ALL animals are sentient.

And if humans continue to not learn animal compassion (much less true compassion for all), then nothing's going to change. And Haiti is a horror, truly -- one that's made me cry repeatedly -- but I can also feel concern about my voiceless friends at the very same time.

What's the source of this article, please?

And... well.... holy hell. You must REALLY hate animals THAT much to put this much time into your selfish opinion. Hope you don't believe in a god, because then....

Bahahaha.

Oh, dear.

Those "fat, ugly, mud and excrement caked hogs" are PIGS. The fat ones you are talking about are those factory farmed pigs, who have been genetically altered to grow to be 800 pounds while they're still only children. No kidding. And they're killed when they're only children. No kidding.

Please go visit a farmed animal sanctuary so you can see for yourself.

Also, pigs are exceptionally clean animals. At the sanctuary at which I volunteer, the pigs always work their way to the end of the beautiful stall condo area they have, and they poop and pee only there. The ones you're talking about are those factory farmed pigs who are forced to live in deplorable conditions, stuffed one against the other. No dignity whatsoever.

The mud is something pigs really, really enjoy getting into, much the same way human children (and men who like human female mud-wrestling). It protects their skin from sunburn, and takes away any itchiness. And again, at the farmed animal sanctuary at which I have volunteered, they also love, love, LOVE getting hosed OFF! The happy squeals they make as they deliberately head into the water stream is delightful to hear... and see.

As for the "ugly" factor, I still haven't seen one pig whom I thought was ugly.

I'm really disappointed in your comments, because I have been appreciating much of what you've written in the past. But I do hope you can become more open-minded. As I've twice (thrice?) said, visit a real farmed animal sanctuary and start petting and patting and stroking all these gentle animals, and you'll find a hard time leaving behind your new friends. I see that happen all the time.

You are correct of course. It's ok to butcher and eat them but not freeze them for science. Maybe if someone was willing to eat them after they froze them no one would say anything.

I disagree. I think there are times where killing an animal is way more justified. If you kill an animal for meat, then killing them had a purpose. It supported the life of someone else. There are definitely times, including incidents involving medical research, where killing animals is actually not necessary. Those situations are not like killing an animal for food, because their death had no purpose, it wasn't necessary and therefore was cruel and unjustified.

So I take it you're an expert in the medical research field and know for a fact that killing animals for medical research isn't a necessary part of the procedure. Interesting, I wonder how it was that the other experts continuously miss that. Sacrarium aside, pork/beef is not a necessary part of your diet, it's been shown that people can live without consuming the product. So essentially they're being killed only because people want them dead, rather than need them so. Therefore, my question is how is that justified. I could go on but you're assertion is so weak and full of holes I fail to see the point.

I see that I've failed to communicate my point well enough. No, I'm definitely not an expert on medical research, nor have I ever claimed to be. I've just read about many experiments that have been performed on animals that have killed them where it was done in an unnecessary way. For example, research has been done where rabbits will have cleaning chemicals sprayed in their faces to see if they die from it, even if prior research already proved that specific action would kill a living thing. I'm definitely not opposed to medical research on animals. I am, however, disgusted by the idea of certain experiments that involve cosmetics because that IS unnecessary. There are already so many brands of makeup, shampoos, lotions, etc that are made without being tested on animals. So, in my opinion, performing experiments where a scientist shoves deodorant in a rabbit's eye to see what happens, when we already know that the chemicals in the deodorant should never go in your eye, are not necessary. Sorry, I just don't care if the "expert" thinks it's necessary. I don't.

Another thing that I never said was that eating pork and sausage was necessary for human diets. And guess what! You don't need to eat chicken or beef to live either. I would know, because I don't eat any of those things. So thanks for the very unneeded nutrition lesson. What I did say, however, was that killing animals is more justified in certain cases if their death had a purpose. I was simply responding to your comment about how you felt you couldn't call out animal cruelty if you eat meat. I disagree with that. I feel that people are completely justified in recognizing and opposing cruelty to animals regardless of their diet. I don't know whether or not you're against this specific action in the article, but you shouldn't just feel hypocritical for believing something is cruel to animals just because you like to eat meat.

"PRETTY" inhumane?

Lets go ahead and focus on eliminating the rare Wall Street CEO before exterminating another species.

My bad!

Capital Idea!

so all that matters is if they are cute?

"And I know what it's about. "I don't want to eat the meat because I love the animals. I love the animals." Hey, I love the animals too. I love my doggy. He's so cute. My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually. "What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the fucking truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!" "I'm an animal, I have rights!" "Yeah, here's yer fucking cousin, get on the fucking truck, pal!" We kill the cows to make jackets out of them and then we kill each other for the jackets we made out of the cows." -Denis Leary