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10 Ways the U.S. Military Has Shoved Christianity Down Muslims' Throats

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10 Ways the U.S. Military Has Shoved Christianity Down Muslims' Throats

It's not just private religious organizations that act like Christian crusaders.

http://pakistanthinktank.org/v2/article-archives/287-21st-century-crusadersonwar...

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation was founded in 2005 by Mikey Weinstein, a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate and Reagan administration White House counsel, after the harassment his own sons faced as Jewish cadets at the academy led him to discover that the fundamentalist Christian takeover of the Air Force Academy was far from an isolated problem. It was a militarywide issue that needed to be confronted head on. But it quickly became apparent that MRFF's initial mission of protecting the rights of our men and women in uniform was only addressing part of the problem.
The evangelizing and proselytizing of Iraqi and Afghan Muslims by private religious organizations and U.S. military personnel also had to be exposed and stopped -- particularly the materials and media available via the Internet and television that could be used by Islamic extremists as propaganda for recruiting purposes. When MRFF began exposing some of what we were finding on the Internet, Weinstein was contacted by two Bush administration national security officials, one civilian and one military, who confirmed that the kind of stuff we were exposing was, in fact, being used as fodder for propaganda, and they urged him to not stop what MRFF was doing.
The most astounding thing, as you'll see in the list below, is that it's not the private religious organizations that are most at fault in spreading the crusader message, but the U.S. military.

Top ten ways to convince the Muslims we (USA & the West) are on a Crusade

10. Have top U.S. military officers, Defense Department officials and politicians say we're in a religious war.

9. Have top U.S. military officers appear in a video showing just how Christian the Pentagon is.
8. Plant crosses in Muslim lands and make sure they're big enough to be visible from really far away.

7. Paint crosses and Christian messages on military vehicles and drive them through Iraq.

6. Make sure that our Christian soldiers and chaplains see the war as a way to fulfill the 'great commission.'

5. Post on the Internet photos of U.S. soldiers with their rifles and Bibles

4. Invite virulently anti-Muslim speakers to lecture at our military colleges and service academies.

3. Have a Christian TV network broadcast to the world that the military is helping missionaries convert Muslims.

2. Make sure Bibles and evangelizing materials sent to Muslim lands have official U.S. military emblems on them.

1. Send lots of Bibles in Arabic, Dari and Pashtu languages to convert the Muslims.
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172 comments // 10 Ways the U.S. Military Has Shoved Christianity Down Muslims' Throats

  • jimmysemens
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    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxiOcHhO47I&feature=player_embedded

      "If only we could strangle those Jews with our bare hands and bite their heads off with our teeth, not our weapons"

      Another brilliant Islamic scholar .............. has Obama invited him to the White House along with Tariq Ramadan (the newly welcomed Islamic "scholar")?

      Most people look at guys like this as ignored extremists without realizing that in reality he is straight on mainstream mohammedan popular thought throughout all clases rich/poor, educated/uneducated.

    • 2 years ago
  • jimmysemens
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    • AL jazeera prove Wilders' point.

      The Wilders trial is a showdown for free people, and for the free West. If he is convicted, the freedom of speech will not long endure in Europe, and America will be next. And the darkness of Islamic supremacism will continue to spread, and to subjugate women and non-Muslims, without it being possible to raise a voice against it.

    • 2 years ago
  • jimmysemens
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    • Well, now that we know that some genius put Bible quotes on gun sights, the whole misbegotten enterprise in Afghanistan is revealed as a Crusade after all -- isn't it?

      Sure -- if you already believed it was a Crusade.

      Islamic jihadists have always been intent upon characterizing their opponents as Crusaders (or Zionists, or both). Shortly before the beginning of the Iraq war, on November 8, 2002, Sheikh Bakr Abed Al-Razzaq Al-Samaraai preached in Baghdad's Mother of All Battles mosque about "this difficult hour in which the Islamic nation [is] experiencing, an hour in which it faces the challenge of [forces] of disbelief of infidels, Jews, crusaders, Americans and Britons."

      And now come the gun sights. But a few Bible verses on gun sights doth not a Crusader make. Did American troops in Iraq or Afghanistan impose Christianity on the populace? They did not. (Neither did the real Crusaders, for that matter, but never mind that for now.) Did they even allow proselytizing? They did not. Did the Americans allow for the establishment of Sharia provisions in the Iraqi and Afghan Constitutions that relegated local non-Muslims to second-class status in both countries? Yes, they did.

      The whole controversy over these Bible verses is a contrived exercise in moral equivalence, designed once again to distract attention away from the manifest reality that there is a worldwide religious group that is waging war against unbelievers in the name of religion. And the religion in question is not Christianity.

    • 2 years ago
  • jimmysemens
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    • http://current.com/items/91953942_politician-and-filmmaker-geert-wilders-faces-h...

      This was dumped by current because it is important and matters. So I'' repost it here and hope someone cares.

      Wilder's speech at the trial:

      ''Mister Speaker, judges of the court,

      I would like to make use of my right to speak for a few minutes.

      Freedom is the most precious of all our attainments and the most vulnerable. People have devoted their lives to it and given their lives for it. Our freedom in this country is the outcome of centuries. It is the consequence of a history that knows no equal and has brought us to where we are now.

      I believe with all my heart and soul that the freedom in the Netherlands is threatened. That what our heritage is, what generations could only dream about, that this freedom is no longer a given, no longer self-evident.

      I devote my life to the defence of our freedom. I know what the risks are and I pay a price for it every day. I do not complain about it; it is my own decision. I see that as my duty and it is why I am standing here.

      I know that the words I use are sometimes harsh, but they are never rash. It is not my intention to spare the ideology of conquest and destruction, but I am not any more out to offend people. I have nothing against Muslims. I have a problem with Islam and the Islamization of our country because Islam is at odds with freedom.

      Future generations will wonder to themselves how we in 2010, in this place, in this room, earned our most precious attainment. Whether there is freedom in this debate for both parties and thus also for the critics of Islam, or that only one side of the discussion may be heard in the Netherlands? Whether freedom of speech in the Netherlands applies to everyone or only to a few? The answer to this is at once the answer to the question whether freedom still has a home in this country.

      Freedom was never the property of a small group, but was always the heritage of us all. We are all blessed by it.

      Lady Justice wears a blindfold, but she has splendid hearing. I hope that she hears the following sentences, loud and clear:

      It is not only a right, but also the duty of free people to speak against every ideology that threatens freedom. Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States was right: The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

      I hope that the freedom of speech shall triumph in this trial.

      In conclusion, Mister Speaker, judges of the court.

      This trial is obviously about the freedom of speech. But this trial is also about the process of establishing the truth. Are the statements that I have made and the comparisons that I have taken, as cited in the summons, true? If something is true then can it still be punishable? This is why I urge you to not only submit to my request to hear witnesses and experts on the subject of freedom of speech. But I ask you explicitly to honour my request to hear witnesses and experts on the subject of Islam. I refer not only to Mister Jansen and Mister Admiraal, but also to the witness/experts from Israel, the United States, and the United Kingdom. Without these witnesses, I cannot defend myself properly and, in my opinion, this would not be an fair trial. ''

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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    • This is so sad . I have friends who are Christian , they are good people . Some who SAY they are Christian , use this religion as to tool for oppression , and will be its destroyers . Clearly , ignorance had bred contempt . It is an old , old story . Repeated by many religions . I recall Muhammed Ali , who refused to to be inducted into the military , based on his religious beliefs and opposition the the Vietnam War. It is better to judge people individually on their actions and merits , that on any label . It is what you do that makes you who you are . Labels are nothing but a marketing tool , especially useful in deceit .
      In a crisis or shock situation , as in any war zone , it is extremely difficult to keep your emotional balance and perspective on the situation . Real self mastery is required , and even then , fatigue makes cowards of us all . I do not fault the soldiers doing the work , but their leadership in this . In all likelihood if it were up to the guys on the ground , it would be well done by now . This failure of leadership is what will destroy Christianity , and is ruining this country . Leadership should be earned . Nowadays it is bought .

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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    • Wow. Way for a discussion to completely degrade into a conversion seminar.

      If you think you deserve to go to heaven, you are already screwed. Thinking you are good enough to be with god is already a sign of arrogance. There, now stfu.

      You know what's utterly fucked up? That a government institution is trying to convert a Muslim country to a religion it legally DOES NOT F-ING REPRESENT.

      And whatever you say, Labelling yourself as a Christian does not mean you don't have an ugly soul.

    • 2 years ago
  • PajamaDan
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    • Behold - the aforementioned statements that express anger, prejudice and self-righteousness. And on this site, we're only armed with a keyboard. Now, just imagine an occupied and/or terrorized land,... where religious zealousness can be expressed by those armed with power and guns. Unfortunately,... war is the perfect opportunity for people to use religion as a divisive, violent and prejudicial motive.

      {If, and only if, we could look at these religions and take ONLY their metaphorical morals,... maybe we could all be exhibiting goodness and golden rules. But instead, holy books and theories are taken literally,... which leads to arguments, inconsistencies, self-righteousness, prejudice and bloodshed. The question should no longer be "Who is right?",... but "How can we peacefully coexist, without prejudice?".}

    • 2 years ago
  • courage
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    • If this is true how does the army allow a man who openly claimed to follow jihad and openly tried to convert patients to radical islam stay in the military and murder 14 people.
      That would be the Fort Hood Islamist attack for those of you who only mark the evils of america but not our enemies.by the way All Religion is ignorant and defies logic and common sense.Rotting corpses dont get up after 3 days.Rag Selling Robber Barons(muhamid) dont fly away on white horses.We are judged by our fellow men and our own consciences not some father figure in the sky.

    • 2 years ago
  • Woot
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    • Because if someone has a shred of religious faith, they will automatically be assaulted by atheists and overreacting individuals who say that if you believe in any form of god or religious form you are infinitely and undeniably wrong. A person has a right to what he or she believes, and any critisism to their religion should be based on your own solid opinions and well-thought out answers, with reason and courtesy. Voicing your opinion is key, but not when it stifles others just because you believe it's "wrong". When someone does this, they are no better than the churches themselves, who used to commit horrible crimes (and still do) in the name of their religion and beliefs, which to them were "right" and everyone else was "wrong". I do believe that the actions by the military in this particular piece are inexcusable and definitely cross the boundry to where it is the solid influencing of a religion unto others. Yet, to a certain degree, everyone (yes, even christians) are entitled to their religion, even when at war.

    • 2 years ago
  • fun_size
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    • Woot:

      I agree... however look at the responses given by both sides. Its clear as day which people clearly state their beliefs and logic better. i dont think i saw one non-believers critical thinking question answered by one of these religious folk.

      Not to say im 100% sure that there isnt a God or higher being or anything. Who can really say for certain? Oh yeah people who KNOW that Christianity is right. or people who KNOW Judaism is the Truth. or people who KNOW Islam the only true religion. You cant all be correct.

      So why dont people ever ever ever question their beliefs? Because thinking is contrary to religion!

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
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    • Woot:

      On the contrary, thinking is not contrary to religion. . .it is essential. How does one rationalize faith to such a nebulous ethereal plane of spiritual conceptualization without a measure of thought?
      One is either indoctrinated from birth and it is embedded with no rational thought (thereby it is mindless), or it is adopted to fulfill a "hunger,' i.e. "need" to come to terms with life's often times harsh realities.
      Whether former or latter, it is foundational to how those relate to their purpose in life...which most of mankind hungers for. . . A quandary to many and the essence of life to others.
      Many who believe, as I do, that he Word is life, and it resides within those who seek it. . . and to explain it to those who do not accept or understand is nigh onto being futile.
      The Truth (i.e. Word) defends and speaks for itself, and easily withstands the assaults of ignorance.

    • 2 years ago
  • fun_size
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    • Woot:

      @helln

      "The Truth (i.e. Word) defends and speaks for itself, and easily withstands the assaults of ignorance."

      Thank you for proving my point. Essentially you just said the bible is true because its true. How are you so absolutely certain its true? Its been written and rewritten countless times by MAN. Look up the Council of Nicaea. Its when PEOPLE decided exactly what is and what isnt the word of God.

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
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    • Woot:

      The answer is simple, to know truth of the Word, you cannot 'know' it if you do not believe it. . . and I'm not talking in semantics, but of a realm of understanding that it is apparent that you do not know. . . because you don't believe.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Woot:

      One sees truth from within an envelope of understanding - from a perspective from within. - That is you seeing from 'within' your knowledge and the degree you have put together your understandings.

      As most of us have endless degrees of ignorance and a few tools of often sketchy knowledge, everybody has a different view and of course different needs to put their brains to the task of sorting it all out.

      Even those who can sort out, to the fullest degree, all their knowledge - have, relatively little knowledge - certainly compared to what we can see of the universe. We might be compared to children poking at our crib.

      Every new bit of knowledge would bring a new revelation of truth, as ones world-view would be expanded, bit by bit.

      You might be sure of a 'truth' in one stage of life but find new truth in another, as experience, and hopefully, knowledge become all the greater with years.

      "God" cannot be less than the Universe and retain the definition of "God".

      However, all the books ever written do not come close to God - especially as most religions have asserted a set idea from the universe that includes their religious cosmology.
      In other words, religion has an old science. They stopped looking long ago.
      Even though the sciences are still wholly lacking a profound grasp of the whole of the universe, they never stopped looking; and learning what is current in science can help enormously, one's take of the greater universe.
      After all, the universe must be God's work, his house, and his flesh - right?

      It's a matter of finding the truth - isn't it? Or at least trying. Is this not God's wish as you understand it to be?

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • Tyr
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    • If anyone here has any doubt about the level of education of people who blindly follow religion, I would only ask that you read the comments left by the more religious posters here and take note of the manner in which they state their views...did any of them get past the 5th grade?

    • 2 years ago
  • RickLD
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    • ok.. first off... i've not seen any evidence of the US Military "forcing" religion on anyone. ITs not the job of a christian to Force anyone in to anything. Living the closest to Godlyness is all that is asked of a Christian. you cant force anyone into a religion. like the saying goes... you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink....

      and for those of you looking for the bible verse saying homosexuality is wrong.... try. Leviticus 20:13...
      "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

      thats the KJV printed in 1989... sure that the older bibles would have a differnt wording.. seeing as how there isnt a english bible anywhere that hasnt been someone's interrpertation of the old scrolls.

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • Saladin
  • Sexirobot
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  • BornAgainChristian
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    • AC,

      you wouldn't know a true christian if you had to choose one out of line-up. I am confident you will find the light, otherwise you will spend eternity in the dark caverns of HELL.

      God Bless

    • 2 years ago
  • lovelander
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      That's probably relative. If someone's mentality and intellectual state is so atrophied and small, they need help, it doesn't take a God to be more than some of these unfortunates.
      But every one of them could start to help themselves.
      First step for anyone is open the shut door and take a gander with their own eyes.
      Gotta start sometime.
      Otherwise, they throw their whole life away. Talk about the "cost of one's very soul."

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      Yes, but on one side, we have the notion that the universe and God, as described by adherents, is all One. One and forever Now. The Eternal Now. "God is One" (one universe), creator and creation, the same. All is One, etc.

      That picture eliminates the cosmological idea that there is a little man with a beard outside of reality, outside of life, a "super-natural being" waiting for you to join him.

      If it's the former, religion, as preached and practiced, is waste of one's life.

      (Unless one just likes that ugly little story and wants to continue bathing in it for some completely nutty reason)

    • 2 years ago
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  • Varex_Sythe
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      I'll give an honest confession from an Agnostic.

      If there is a heaven with God then I can only imagine God to be an individual who allows people into heaven who lead good lives. Nothing to do with Christianity, or any other religious faith, so long as you live a good life, you are granted entrance. Now on the flip side, if God is a being who would condemn a good person to hell and/or purgatory just because they chose the wrong faith, then God is petty and neither him/her nor heaven are worthy of those good people. And as much as it will piss people off, I'll say it anyways. If God is willing to condemn people based not on the lives that they lead, but rather the faith that they choose, then God can go fuck him/herself.

      Now, that being said I will reiterate. I don't think that God, if he/she exists condemns people based upon their faith or lack thereof. I think that if God exists he/she saves or condemns based upon the lives that people have led. So really if there is a God, I don't think that he/she and I would have an issue.

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • JanforGore
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    • Christianity is not a mental illness. Those of us who follow what Christianity was meant to be and who do not condone this nor those ( one in particular on this thread) who use Jesus for their own ends are not mentally ill. I think you need to reword your blanket intolerant response.

    • 2 years ago
  • BornAgainChristian
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    • JanforGore:

      There are people who have religion and use it for feelings of personal well-being. They have a set of ideas, that they use for their religious practices.

      Of course, the actual history has nothing to do with one's ideas - and the greater universe, also of course, proves everyone's ideas of religious cosmology, wrong. Utterly, hopelessly, wrong.

      But the feelings of well-being are nice.

    • 2 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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    • JanforGore:

      While it may be harsh, I nevertheless must stand by my claim that Christianity is a form of mental illness.

      Tolerance does not mean I must condone or even remain silent about a dangerous and destructive self deception, no matter how popular or comforting that self deception may be.

    • 2 years ago
  • BornAgainChristian
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    • JanforGore:

      Everybody's idea of Jesus' message is distorted. It is only a matter of whether you are a good person, who wants to find grace, spirituality and good; or whether you are some poor, self-engrossed personality who wants everything for them - because they have never engaged a thought for anyone but themselves.

      So, some believers are sick. And religion isn't the cure.
      It's an abettor.

    • 2 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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    • JanforGore:

      Unimatrix0, rather than argue that Christianity, or any religion for that matter, is a mental illness, I think it would be more appropriate to argue that it is a crutch. If you can't get by without it then it can be a good tool to help you through life, but if you become too dependent upon it then it can be a hinderance that you don't want to give up rather than a boon. Some people can make due without it, some people can't. I'm not saying that people are wrong for choosing to have faith in something. But I do think that it is stupid for anyone of any faith not to be able to step back and say, "It's possible that this isn't true, but I believe it anyways because I think it makes the most sense." That is when there is a problem, when people can't admit that despite what they chose, they could be wrong. In those circumstances its like a child who can't accept that they are wrong. They will cling to what they chose so stubbornly that they will lie in order to keep from looking stupid.

    • 2 years ago
  • mikeytar
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    • Jesus was so freaking gay I do not know why his followers hate it so much now. Peace peace peace ..... turn the other cheek .... this is my body, eat it in remembrance of me ..... these are my 12 BFF apostles/followers wanna hang out? Yeah right! Jesus was a sissy pussy who never went to war even if he could have, now they want him in the foxhole with them? Idiots!

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • BornAgainChristian
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  • unimatrix0
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    • Yet more proof that Christianity is a foul and ugly superstition, home to ignorance and bigotry. Christianity is mental illness, plain and simple.

      Those afflicted by Christianity are to be feared and pitied; they are dangerous, wounded, wild beasts.

    • 2 years ago
  • BornAgainChristian
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    • unimatrix0:

      They certainly get into religion at a particularly dumb and otherwise weak moment. Then they have built themselves an intellectual cocoon where they won't think about anything that would easy destroy their dumb belief system.

      Pretty bad! A completely wasteful way to throw one's life away.

    • 2 years ago
  • BornAgainChristian
  • oppressed1
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    • unimatrix0:

      I dont get you Uni why is it only christians with you. When its the entire spectrum of religion that continues to deny logic or the principle understanding of man.

      Christians, muslims, jews everyone needs to chill the fuck out.

    • 2 years ago
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    • unimatrix0:

      The whole religion has a view of reality that is exceedingly small. A small, little sphere of understanding. When the God that is proposed is supposed to be all.
      All is bigger than your small. Yet you cling to an understanding, however small, thinking that is the God that created the whole Universe.
      Your small, little idea, created the whole universe.

      Are you getting that? If you use your brain to its fullest, you never will come close to understanding the depth of the process of creation.
      So clinging to ideas that you already can easily guess are mistaken - so that you can continue clinging to your ideas, is Stupid. Obviously stupid.

      But it must hurt so, knowing that this is a challenge because the subject is God. If we were talking about your mis-understanding of soils composition, why, it wouldn't be so bad.

      But you are hoping to know God and it is easy for you, if you try, to see that your attempts are wrong. That they necessarily must be wrong.

      You have 'everything in' on a wrong bet.

    • 2 years ago
  • jimmysemens
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    • unimatrix0:

      Here is what unimatrix said with Muslims replacing Christians.:

      ''Yet more proof that Islam is a foul and ugly superstition, home to ignorance and bigotry. Islam is mental illness, plain and simple.

      Those afflicted by Islam are to be feared and pitied; they are dangerous, wounded, wild beasts.''

      Hate speech. Pure and simple.

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
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    • unimatrix0:

      BornAgain, you just didn't know yourself before. The "light" you perceive now is the same light within each and every one of us without the name of religion, nationality, belief, gender, whatever.

      Believing that your way of thinking is more right than someone else who needs to be "saved" goes against what I would imagine an intelligent religious person would say and more importantly all chance of peace. The beautiful light of understanding has nothing to do with anyone's attempt to describe it.

    • 2 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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  • Maxwells
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      Maxwells  

    • Oh my God! This is terrible, how can people do this, how will we ever survive, It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

    • 2 years ago
  • BornAgainChristian
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    • @Neph

      Are you kidding? Open the Bible. People like you are dissolving our moral fabric. Marriage is for a MAN and WOMAN. Thats it. not with a man and man. not a woman and woman. not a man and a goat. not a woman and a horse. a MAN and WOMAN.

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
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  • Nephwrack
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

      10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

      interesting, i dont see anything about marriage *or* homosexuality there.

      oh... wait were you talking about the NIV? or the KJV? cause that's the KJV.

      here's the NIV version, funny, it does not read the same...

      9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

      10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

      11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

      okay, that says something about homosexuality but still nothing about marriage. interesting that they took the liberty of changing the words for that version... hmm... where did i read something about that??

      oh i know! the bible!

      let's see what it has to say about adding to or deleting from the holy writ... this could get interesting...

      here's one.."Every word of God is pure ... Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar."
      Proverbs 30:5-6

      Man has no authority to rewrite, tamper with, adulterate, or pervert the sacred writings of the Christian faith. Scripture states, "You shall not add to, nor take away" from God's word. (Deuteronomy 12:32, Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19) Once Christians begin carelessly adding to and subtracting from God's Word, where will it end?

    • 2 years ago
  • BornAgainChristian
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      NIV

      Corinthians 6:9-10:

      - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      @ bornagain

      did you bother to read my comment?

      your version of that scripture does not jibe with the older version of scripture, because of warnings in said scripture say that to change the scripture is to invite god's wrath. you can beat your head against the wall of logic all day, but it will not give one inch. and funny, just 2 verses down from the one you cherry picked, it notes that Jesus forgives those same individuals through his sacrifice.

    • 2 years ago
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      @atlantdacameron lol naa i'm just a scholar. i like finding the roots of things like intolerance and hate and then pruning them and exposing them for all to see. the light shall triumph over evil in the end.

    • 2 years ago
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      How come you people's religion is all about "me, me, me, me, me and me"

      You sure are important to the creator of the WHOLE UNIVERSE. According to you, he made it all for you, you, you, you.

      Since I find that crushingly stupid and self-centered, Crushingly. What would you suppose God would think of it - if he were so small and stupid to be thinking like you?
      [smack down]

    • 2 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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    • BornAgainChristian:

      Ok, I have to ask about the gay marriage thing that bornagainchristian brought up. If homosexual marriage and acts are unnatural, then why are there animals in nature who despite having very specific gender designs practice homosexual behavior? Were animals given free will as the bible tells us humans were? If they don't, then wouldn't it suggest that God, who has been suggested to make perfect creations, either made homosexuality a natural thing or perhaps that he did not make perfect creations?

    • 2 years ago
  • oppressed1
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      oppressed1  

    • My old first sgt chose me to say a prayer at a meeting of about 20 soldiers. I just told him that i didn't feel comfortable doing that since i my self was not a holy man. Everyone looked at me like i was retarded, but oh well. Id have to admit christianity has in many cases been pushed on me by the influx of chaplains i have run into in the military, and that one of the first stops in basic is getting a free bible "only if you want one" from these guys in suits. But my mother pushed the stuff on me for 20 years before i joined the military so i kind of just use my "god given right" of choosing not to believe in something as tainted as organized religion.

    • 2 years ago
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    • It's one thing to completely suppress any indications of religious freedoms in the army. I feel that a Christian army man has as much right to carry a Bible as a Muslim army man has to carry the Qu'ran. However, when the government becomes directly involved in pushing a Christian agenda it ceases to be a personal choice of the soldier and transcends into the epitome of religious dogma.

      That is a problem. Our nation is not created by Christians for Christians. It was created by the people, for the people whether or not those people be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever religious or spiritual beliefs they place faith in. When we white-wash our military in Christian overtones we are not only misrepresent our multicultural people, we are misrepresenting the secular nation our troops are fighting and dying to protect.

    • 2 years ago
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  • jimmysemens
  • tonicsouls
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    • Oh religion. Its such a beautiful and peaceful thing to enforce your beliefs on other people. This is wrong on so many levels... and we wonder why these people are so desperate to kill Americans.

    • 2 years ago
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
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      BrushwithDeathToothpaste  

    • Two edged sword. Asking our military personnel to suppress their show of faith when we have asked them to put their lives on the line is not right. They are not machines that can turn off who they are. Adopting religion as a war strategy however is even more dangerous.

      We have to let our soldiers be who they are as long as it doesn't result in war crimes. We also have to keep our leaders in check and make sure they understand this is not a crusade, but an effort to make our country safer. In order to do that we have to respect the religion of non violent civilians whose country we are occupying. Otherwise we really will be in a crusade.

      Having 1 out of 6 people on the planet trying to kill you will raise the body count considerably.

    • 2 years ago
  • bombastinator
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    • BrushwithDeathToothpaste:

      >"Two edged sword. Asking our military personnel to suppress their show of faith when we have asked them to put their lives on the line is not right."<

      It's been military law for a really really long time. The only difference is people now think they can break it with impunity. There is a very good reason for it which is being shown now. their "show of faith" is undermining their mission and putting both America and their own comrades in harms way. The difference now is the people who are breaking the laws are so fanatical they don't care who they hurt.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • tonicsouls
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      tonicsouls  

    • ... Raise your hand if you didn't see Theocide coming?

      "Everyone open your Bibles up to Revelations chapter anywhere"

      Zionist Christians are the GREATEST! They come with rifles and Bibles

      Wait until the US fights its way all the way to Palestine....that will be a show.
      Im not buying tickets until they blow up Al Aqsa.

      CLICK BELOW IF YOU DONT KNOW!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oENWeN7BtzY

    • 2 years ago
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  • Carlos_De_Tirado
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    • Completely retarded that we are having this discussion. The United States is in God We Trust, not ala or whatever the hell these Muslims believe. Muslims are the same animals that behead our soldiers and complain about Guantanamo. They are animals and there bible the Quaran or whatever it is, makes them nutty enough to strap bombs on there chest. The United States of America the greatest nation on earth is a Christian nation, now dont get me wrong, I have fundamentalism just like the next guy who isnt brain washed. There is nothing wrong with Christianity at all, if more people were Christians then people might have a stronger moral code and we would have less problems.

    • 2 years ago
  • tonicsouls
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  • lifestudentno83
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    • Carlos_De_Tirado:

      Are you so blinded by your theism that you cannot recognize the violations of humanity that go against the very religion that you are claiming to believe in?

      I believe the Christian thing is to "Love thy neighbor", not "kill them until they convert". Perhaps you should re-think your xenophobic statement.

    • 2 years ago
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  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
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      BrushwithDeathToothpaste  
    • Carlos_De_Tirado:

      What sort of animal rapes a teenage girl, shoots her family and burns their bodies? What sort of animals walk into an intersection and randomly shoot civilians because an IED went off near them somewhere else? What sort of Christian animals fake intelligence (no pun intended), start a war with a country that did not attack us, and kill 10's or 100's of thousand of innocent people because they happen to live over oil? If that is your version of Christianity i think you are in for a hell of a surprise in the afterlife.

    • 2 years ago
  • flyingkick
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    • Carlos_De_Tirado:

      Carlos,
      Your creepy picture + the spelling errors + your ignorant opinion are all perfect.
      Totally hilarious - keep it up.

      QueenG,
      "So now watch this... people who disagree with me will provide little value in their baseless responses."
      A few posts up you got shut down hard with people who actually have historical facts to back them up. Pretty funny, but you're not as funny as Carlos.

    • 2 years ago
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