Hugo Chavez Says U.S. Hit Haiti With 'Earthquake Weapon'

Awesome, this kind of stuff is really possible and too think that a leader of another country has to show us! Those that haven't been paying attention. These are the times of tom foolery or fact being stranger that fiction on a largest of scales.

Great find Monkey, I watched the CNN report. Amazing.

When did I say or accuse you of being "terrified of the government"? If you're going to quote me, try being exact and stop changing my words or putting words in my mouth that you said.

I said that most people are [terrified to think outside of the box]. Where do you read or see the word government in the statement ? You got your own political group and following on the site. There's no excuse whatsoever for someone like you to be misquoting me or anybody else for that matter. You're willfully manipulating the comments of others for the sake of winning arguments. Why should I respect for doing it. You're in a position of accountability.

You've lost credibility with me for saying that someone should be terrified of our government. You're actually suggesting that I making a terroristic threat against our government, and I demand an apology.

Keith, you quoted only part of the statement of yours to which I was referring.

You said, "The One World Government has been using the South Pole as a testing grounds for UFO's for years. Most people are terrified and afraid to think outside of the box."

I don't think it was at all unreasonable of me to come to the conclusion that the thing to which you were intimating people were terrified was the "One World Government." I did not say that you accused me of anything. You quite clearly stated that "people" were terrified. I am a "people," so I simply responded that I, for one, was not terrified. But if I was at all worried, it was about government's incompetence, not of their ability to pull off some kind of conspiracy involving the use of cutting edge technology under the cover of a UFO event).

Further, my comment was an (admittedly lame, but nobody has ever mistaken me for a stand-up -- or even sit-down -- comedian) attempt at wit. I am a firm believer in the 90/10 rule when it comes to government at all levels: 10 percent of the workers/officials do 90 percent of the work and are responsible for 90 percent of the productivity.

As to my alleged "political group" and "following" you have me at a disadvantage...because I haven't the faintest idea where that idea came from. I have a small "channel" devoted to articles on international relations...but it is not exactly wildly popular. My name is also attached to the Creative Writing channel...but Delia does all of the work, so it is hardly mine. Neither of the channels is associated with any particular political philosophy. If some of the people who participate regularly on current follow my comments, I am flattered...but I am also unaware of who they might be, and I have certainly never encouraged anyone to do so.

As to your views on my credibility, that was never in my control to begin with. You will either find my analysis/opinions to be credible or not...and there is nothing I can (or would be willing) to do to change that.

And "position of accountability?" How so? I am not on Current's staff. I am a private citizen just as you are, exercising my right to opine as I see fit. I don't say this to offend, but I don't owe you or anyone else on current any kind of duty whatsoever.

The one thing that I WILL admit saddens me just a bit is that you are apparently judging me harshly for one sentence at the end of one post out of the 2-3,000+ posts I have uploaded here on Current since I started posting here LAST January -- without giving me even the tiniest bit of a chance to explain my meaning. Surely you are no stranger to being the victim of a misunderstanding regarding the intent or context of a statement here or on some other electronic medium.

Web posts (with the exception of some of the video submissions from folks like Progressiv -- which I have NO idea how to do despite the fact that I can see a tiny little webcam internally-mounted at the top of my laptop's screen) do not afford us the opportunity to share voice inflection or body language. Heck, even hand-written LETTERS allow for more context than the generic typeface we are stuck with.

I can see that you are angry. It was not my intention in any way to give you a slap to the head with my post. I suppose I could be angry in return that you went off-shift without giving me a chance to explain or giving me just a little benefit of the doubt...but that is neither my inclination nor my style.

It is extremely unusual to try and tie sentences together to create or manufacture an assumption out of something that I never said. I said one thing about a One World Government, then I said something else about [people being terrified to think outside of the box]. I know that in school, they taught you that a always periods end a sentence. The rest of this just you refusing to be held accountable to either misquoting me, or just flat out just not wanting to tell the truth about you just blatantly creating your own context for something that I never said, knowing that you would get a rise out of anybody reading this post. You yield way too much influence on this site to do that to anybody. Now you can go and type a 2,000 word defense of your misquoting me but it doesn't change the facts.Both you and I know that. Stop being stubborn.

I'm asking you not to do that anymore. I am not anti-government.

Keith,

I am sure you are nice guy. I never thought you were anti-government...though there are occasions when I sure as heck am, so I certainly wouldn't blame you. Moreover, despite your obvious anger, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that my response was never intended to be an attack of any kind but rather simply a reference to an idea I thought you were expressing. The fact that you took offense is frankly baffling to me because my comment was not intended to be in the least bit critical or pejorative.

As to grammar, I do believe that I understand the meaning of a period. I majored in English in History as an undergrad, though my professors would undoubtedly spin like tops in their graves if they saw half my posts on Current. If I may be so bold, however, I would submit that while each sentence in a piece of writing is ostensibly intended to contain a thought or idea, sentences in turn make up paragraphs -- and the sentences in a single paragraph are generally supposed to convey a single theme.

I did not put words in your mouth. I cited your sentences exactly as they appeared in your post...and both appeared back-to-back toward the end of the same paragraph. If I misunderstood your meaning or your intent, I most certainly do apologize. But I continue to believe that my interpretation was an honest mistake.

Please bear in mind that I am not the sharpest butter knife in the drawer. I have one brain cell left after all these years, and it has a previous engagement. For example, it took me a full ten minutes to figure out what you meant just now when you wrote that I "yield too much influence on this site." Suddenly, it dawned on me that you likely hit the "Y" instead of the "W" you intended to hit on your keyboard. "Wield!" I actually cried out loud, like it was the greatest epiphany I had experienced in a week (sadly, it probably was).

Admittedly, I am now stretching this post out a bit to try and get to 2,000 words (I am KIDDING, Keith!). If you continue to feel the need to be angry at me, that is of course your right. I was never angry in the first place and am not inclined to be so now.

Frankly my feelings have been more of frustration than anything else, and over the past couple of days, I had strongly considered not returning to Current (let the open weeping begin, he said facetiously). I had kind of hoped that Current would be more fun when Jammer departed (I certainly never flagged him, but I guess I can't say I was surprised that someone else did...repeatedly). Instead (and I am not at all talking about you, here, Keith), the void he left seems to have been filled with people who are less interested in honest, thoughtful debate on the issues than in coming up with ever-more-bizarre conspiracy theories. Those theories are easily rebutted...but that doesn't make them any less boring or tedious.

"As far as I'm concerned there is absolutely NO undeniable evidence of ANYTHING on the internet.

It's all speculation and words on a screen. Moving pictures prove NOTHING and only provide insight and even more chance for subjective opinions. Everyone is so ready to question the government, but when it comes to thinking twice about what they're reading from their fellow man, it seems they forget the lesson. Technology has come far enough that videos and 'references' seem all too real, when in reality they're either 'shopped' or taken out of original context to prove some persons crazy fucking dreams."
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I feel the same way........about newspaper print and television, and I have that right and proof, for that matter, that newspapers and television have both been the culprits liars to the American public for the past 100 hundreds. The internet is a platform that has offset those lying wolves, and now people ,like you, are pissed off because everybody has a voice. If you're so damn sick of the internet, what are you doing on this site. Go try and lodge this weak alibi of a defense to one of your local television stations or newspaper outlets, and see just how far you get. They both will have security drag your tired ass of off the premises, and they'll throw you face first onto the sidewalk.

Ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun.

I never said i was sick of the internet, simply sick of wild accusations and brainless finger pointing. And I'm here because it's fun, it's interesting, and there's always the chance that its not all bad. It's still important to know what people are saying, whether or not its true.

I completely agree with you on television and the newspaper as well. Everyone is simply trying to:

1) sell their story
2) sell their product

I don't think I need many more points than that to be honest, though the extents of which vary depending on what level you wish to view it at and who's really behind it.

The internet has one thing going for it over the papers and television, and one thing only, and that is freedom and anonymity. I can lodge any defense, any accusation, and so can you. That's the beauty. Anywhere else, I would be thrown out and laughed at, or even removed from reality. Here, any bit of information, true or false, is available to those who really wish to see it.

You seem rather aggressive, as if I've spoken an attack on others or something utterly stupid, but maybe you simply misunderstood. I have a great respect for everyone's voice, but cannot stand some of the brainlessness behind it. I take the time to look ALMOST everyone's argument to see what is behind it, and if it has any substance. There's a whole lot of voices out there, and I get rather disgruntled by some of the bullshit that clogs up all the tubes. I think we might be in the same boat, so there's no need to be totally brash and miss the point. I just wish people would USE THEIR BRAINS and treat all information equally, not just jump to conclusions when they see something that just so happens to agree with their gut feeling, or their personal agendas. Is that too much to ask?

"treat all information equally" can be upheld only threateningly..I just interrupt because Buddha2112 endeared what to me I thought was a cute statement...amenity, okay...but realize there is a pecking order among humans and you *can be* ejected. life is not equal nor are any people's opinions. funny, funny stuff. I'm not here to be nice but I'm feeling exceptional today...

I don't know why a story couldn't be, in fact, the product so i would suggest 1) sell(promote) the product(i.e. journalistic views or stories) after you target the core audience demograph of whom actually gives a hoot then make sure to reduce quality as the life of the public's interest(or attention) deflates along with the output and profits. That's pretty much simplistic! Oh yeah, and don't forget to cutthroat your competition. What the hell is we talking about anyway, bananas!

As far as what you said way above in the first note, "After all, the internet is for porn and porn alone." I'm not even sure how one could conclude such a thing. 4 corporations control 80% of the media! Try to condense your meaning a little and I know it will use some brain power. Sorry, syup.

Alright, so story/product can be put in the same point, woo... simplified... Good job. I realized it well after I posted and you've made it concrete, I'll stand corrected.

If you don't understand the porn concept, it's a bit of a meme, but most of all it's to say (more or less) that the internet is not really a serious place, nor could it ever be. Trolls are everywhere, and the vast majority of it is meant to appeal to someone somewhere to sell the point. It's is hardly literal, so I can understand your confusion.

Now I need to address some things:

'"treat all information equally" can be upheld only threateningly..I just interrupt because Buddha2112 endeared what to me I thought was a cute statement...amenity, okay..."

How can this be only upheld threateningly? It is simply a hope, I know it's not ever fully possible, but can you say it is a bad thing to strive for? Or even bad to suggest?

"but realize there is a pecking order among humans and you *can be* ejected."

The pecking order among humans is much less enforceable on the internet, where there is a freedom in choices people can make for themselves. Again, let me remind you we're (at least I was) discussing the Internet. The world functions in a much different manner, I'll give you that, you're a smart one. But the internet allows a freedom unprecedented in human history, in terms of information available to masses who are able to access it.

I cannot be ejected from the internet, I'd wish you try. It's fully possible to be ejected from life, I believe I have acknowledged that already.

"life is not equal nor are any people's opinions. funny, funny stuff. I'm not here to be nice but I'm feeling exceptional today..."

No, life is not equal (I don't believe i even said it was), nor does everyone's opinions get equal weight, sadly, but that is yours and others' fault, it is entirely possible that it be true, if you use your brain. The real world functions much differently from the internet. I was discussing the internet. I was discussing the internet. I was discussing the internet.

As I sit here trying to give you an honest response, I'm finding that you either didn't read, or wished to show off your internet muscles. Almost adorable. I can only assume you drink far too much of that syup, and you've missed the point of my posts almost entirely, which in essence is also part of my point. Use your brain.

I miss lots and lots of points all the time and that's totally probable..but I don't think you need to counter all of my assertions and likewise....I happen lose a little sleep sometimes waiting for these subjects to surface so my anxiety floods some of my cognizance for on what I see as inevitable which isn't any one person's problem or jurisdiction to cast blame and so duly I appreciate persons like yourself to allow me the space to be heard with a decent response that you are capable....not trying to diminish you view that the world to be equal and for that to be a goal worth worthy but really want to share this information with you---> that not until the fighting stops can there be such as a Shangri-La that's envisioned....unless it is your world only that we should specify....I don't mind sharing but I beg you to realize that world peace in not in this lifetime.(or equality, whatever endless nouns you wish to choose from) (and don't call me buttercup) If you think this is a drill or exercise then right you are once again! love in the end. I read your post and btw: I don't believe that you are a troll but that's not to say that I'm saying that you said I said you were...thanks for the adoration but I really was more inclined to hear what Keith was saying...maybe on that you or I can agree.

(I'm working on a revision to my above tone and to apologize also for and hope to clarify what was meant exactly by the point that I think we were both wanting to explain...it will take some time to compose)
in my first statement I meant anonymity, ..I said amenity. ok.

You realize that ever since the U.S. began it's little preemptive war tantrums Russia has been gearing up the arms race. We now have the U.S. refusing nuclear disarmament with it's belligerent self serving attitude problem, so we are fast approaching a world nuclear threat like what was propagandized in the 60s, except this time it's much worse.

What if HAARP is real and was indeed used to cause Haiti. The Russians and other countries with espionage agencies would know about it, while the America people would not. What would their response be? Even if HAARP isn't being used, if the Russians and other countries convince the rest of the world that it is, that would give them the popular moral approval to go after the U.S.

It is getting pretty freaky out there.

It didn't create the fault line, it may have exploited it to their advantage.

If you had such a weapon, plausible deniability becomes key.

The video was filmed by American missionaries in Haiti.

if if's and but's were candy and nuts

Jubal,

These if people are too frighten to try thinking for themselves, they deserve what they have coming.

Sheeple.

ahha - one time as kids we convinced my extremely strict grandmother to say that poem, we were at this formal dinner and she said it like a prayer for all ears to hear...boy oh boy did we have a lot of dishes to do that night.

Obama wouldnt be the one to call the shots. there are much more powerful people besides him. hes mjust a frontman.

and i'm sure we wouldn't use it on caves in Afg. instead of sending 30,000 more troops.

why flaunt - this would be very hypocritical of NATO - they are supposedly trying to stop the production of mass destruction and they very well would keep this a secret...

What do you think happened with Chernobyl? It released toxic molecules into the atmosphere and it still is a grave threat and will be for thousands of years.

I'm ok

If if's and but's were candy and nuts

mmm peanuts!

Yes, The Government's evil Earthquake Machine was actually designed to contaminate Iranians' Precious Bodily Fluids...after all, why attack Iran directly -- or even in its own hemisphere -- when we can attack Haiti and rely on the Jet Stream. Diabolical!

shut up why do people get so angry

Just give the CIA a call. I'm sure they'll answer all your questions.

Good find Ocean, I hope people keep an open mind!

That's just like a coroner showing up at your front doorstep the day before you collapse and die, but you showed no signs of prior illness.

I know some people in the criminal justice system who say there are no coincidences.

What does obama have to do with this? You sound as crazy as Chavez.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that obamaisajoke is trying to say that the "holy Obama" would supposedly swoop down from "the heavens" and "save" our country.

I NEVER thought I would pine away over the days of the Bush administration. So there are probably more than a few of us who are as crazy as Chavez.

damn dude stop being such a hater

The writing is on the wall, my brother....recognize the smoke and mirrors sensation that *is* the Obama administration.

Really and there are no such things as atomic bomb's either. And how long have we had atomic weapons 60 plus years and they haven't come up with something bigger and better?

it's called the hydrogen bomb dumbass.

Your probably right on that point, OrbViper. As for the other un-scientific theories, The Us has detonated nuclear bomb for decades in california and nevada underground for research........ no effect on PLATE TECTONICS!!. And there is a bigger and better in the nuclear frame of time since the morning of 6 August 1945.. its called a hydrogen bomb of Teller–Ulam design. people should really read more

actually, it is factual science. Everything on earth has a resonant frequency. That's how spectrometers identify all of the elements. Anyhoo, when a harmonic frequency is applied to an object, it will vibrate. Take an antenna array hooked up to over a gigawatt of power, aim it at the ionosphere to oscillate for a while and build up more energy that is directed back to the earth, and you have yourselves an earthquake.

I think you're underestimating the mass of the plate...and how much an effect the forced frequency of anything we can produce it going to affect it. I'm thinking even at gigawatts of power it'd take thousands of years...

Wait a sec, so according to that, so even if they did they triggered an earthquake that was basically about to happen anyway...what would be the point in that?

There are reports of a huge oil reserve under Haiti.

So, you're telling me the Americans triggered an earthquake with a light transmitter, to get supposed oil under Haiti...does this not sound all a bit too crazy to you? Even if the conspiracy about HAARP is correct and it could've caused the earthquake, it would've been if that earthquake was pretty close to happening already, which seems to make risk being caught triggering it far to great a cost for anyone who can think above that of a child. This is Hugo Chavez, a man who just shut down a TV station because it didn't like him all too much, a man who attacks the US on any point possible and who supports Ahmadinejad whole-heartedly. I'm sure the vast majority of physicists would tell you that this is impossible in the first place anyway, but to also assume that there is people in the US, scientists at HAARP and the government who'd be willing to kill over 150,000 people for the chance to get at some 'supposed' oil, well, it would be monstrous. I'm not naive, I know the oil companies do quite bad things and have their hands up the back to several politicians, but they're surely not this bad?

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ya, but...blaming the US is second nature these days...it is an acquired behavior though, like beer - at first you do not like the taste then after a while it grows on you and becomes naturally refreshing.

What does linking to another blog prove? HAARP can't produce earthquakes?

That website is someones opinion. That person is not a scientist who even worked on the project to really know the full scoop. It is speculation as much as speculating that the HAARP weapon is real.

Jubal,

I suggest checking out physicsforum.com and look for discussion on HAARP.

So you find a conservative website that says it's a conspiracy and that's supposed to make it so? There's too much evidence to the contrary to simply buy what this one website has to say. You admit it exists and that the military may indeed be experimenting yet you say it probably can't cause earthquakes because YOU don't think there's enough evidence. That's pretty weak. There's a lot of evidence.