NY dairy farmer kills his 51 cows then commits suicide

Economists are idiots. We are having the largest economic meltdown since the Great Depression, and not one single one saw it coming.

And these are the people who are supposed to know what is going on.

If 85% of economists think we should eliminate agricultural subsidies---we damn well ought be looking at increasing agricultural subsidies.

I'm unable to find humor in such sadness, such desperation.

Agreed, there is no humor in this

Good one!

See??? Mojojujuhaha just likes to be heard. Doesn't matter if he even puts any THOUGHT behind it -- he just thrives on attention.

I wish I could meet him in person, just to find out what's hurting so damn much.

Yeah, I'll be the last to deny that I'm somewhat of an attention whore. So you've got a problem with that? Yep, I just seek attention. The only reason I post here is for my own enjoyment.

As far as my comment not having any thought behind it - well I don't see what the problem is with me not putting a lot of thought into coming up with the words, "Good one". Really, I wasn't aiming for a Pulitzer prize for internet commentary.

I find this very sad as well, but I also find humor in life and was in a light mood when I wrote the comment. If bad news brought us all down then there would be very little time to be happy.

To understand the plight of the working man is to understand part of the stress that weighed on this man before he went to these measures. The need to feel that your profession is worthwhile and the ability to provide for your family isn't a common theme but one of the only themes in post-murder suicides at home.

The fact that the man killed not 1 or 2 but 51 cows is what sparks a bit of comedy into the situation for some people -- but not for me. The task was not quick and I did in fact, in my mind, put myself in this man's position and try to imagine his mindset as he went through the process of begrudgingly exterminating of more than a couple dozen cows. This was not a quick task for this man but he kept at it until it was through and then carried out the task on himself. During the cow massacre he had to have asked himself, is this the right thing to do? Can I stop now and turn back? No. He decided that it was too late and that there was no alternative well before he started.

So, I find humor here in my school of fish joke -- which wasn't even that funny, that fact that the joke was so bad was intended to be the funny part, as with almost all of my jokes. I didn't intend to imply, and I hope people don't believe that I implied that there was humor in any of the gruesome actions that Dean Pierson felt were necessary to take before ending his own life.

And yes, it really is a great looking barn, isn't it?

Now please, if you'll excuse me, I am heading out to The Counter in Santa Monica to go eat some murdered cows.

*Hat in the ring for the Pulitzer of the Internet prize*

So simple, so true.

No way. Vegans don't get to enjoy bacon.

Mojojuju, is there some insecurity about you that you just HAVE to say something -- anything -- just to be acknowledged? Are you trying to "earn points" or something? Your ha-ha-ha-funny comments tend to be very UN-funny, and I sometimes feel embarrassed for you.

As for your totally unkind, thoughtless (mean?) comment about vegans, it's uncalled for, out of place, and a reflection of those same insecurities I'm feeling from you.

Are any of us vegans in any way personally attacking YOU for your choice of eating habits?

I'm really getting tired of your mundane, pointless replies and comments which go nowhere.

"Mojojuju, is there some insecurity about you that you just HAVE to say something -- anything -- just to be acknowledged? "

No.

"Are you trying to "earn points" or something? "

No, are you?

"Your ha-ha-ha-funny comments tend to be very UN-funny, and I sometimes feel embarrassed for you."

Yeah, so?

"As for your totally unkind, thoughtless (mean?) comment about vegans, it's uncalled for, out of place, and a reflection of those same insecurities I'm feeling from you. "

I never intended to hurt your feelings. I think you're hypersensitive and that you need to get your own emotions under control instead of being focused on the feelings of others. I believe the insecurities you "feel" from me are most likely the projection of your own insecurities.

"Are any of us vegans in any way personally attacking YOU for your choice of eating habits?"

No, I never suggested that any of you vegans were personally attacking me.

"I'm really getting tired of your mundane, pointless replies and comments which go nowhere."

Here's a tip: Don't read my replies.

You have no idea about the realities of life and how they effect different people in different ways. I suppose all of those farmers in India who committed suicide are "pricks" too.

Jan,

Believe it or not, I do have some idea about the realities of life.

Unless your facing a painful terminal illness, suicide is simply a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and a mistake. It is the supreme act of selfishness - an immature and childish act in the face of adversity..

I am unfamiliar with the farmers of India, but in my book anyone who commits suicide because of business or financial misfortune is a shallow, selfish, prick.

But you need not approve of my feelings or set your sail by my moral compass. I am simply posting my thoughts.

Be well.

He killed the cows that would suffer the most when he was gone because no one else would milk them...that's painful...they cows scream from the pain...

yep, difference between a guy on the corner slangin and knowing the grower.

Buy local, it's the future and don't forget to switch your money from the mega banks and go to community banks first.

KM,

For sure, if your mortgage or checking account is not with a credit union your not thinking. they give you better rates, better service and lower fees.

I just wonder what the family dynamics were. Why was the farm work done exclucively by him? What were the wife and 4 children doing all the hours th farmer was out there milking and cleaning stalls and working his tail off alone?
Maybe they all were working at other jobs?
I know it's a hand full for taking care of feeding, laundry , taxi service, cleaning, etc for a family of 6...... but where were his kids and wife on this?
He only killed the 51 cows that required the most work to keep them milked and comfortable. He left 50 of the herd.....The wife wants to keep the farm going in his honor... why didn't she feel that way before he commited suicide?
I just feel so bad for this whole situation......the kids, the farmer, the cows....and the wife now in the aftermath, all the second guessing she'll do....
What a sad waste....

Upstate New York is full of farms. Research.

Upstate New York is farmland, You're thinking about New York City, which is just one little island in a much larger state. Check out a couple of maps, so you can readily see.

I guess they didn't produce enough milk for the farmer to make enough profit.

"What did the cows ever do to him?" Nothing, he did what he did to draw attention to the issue. He sacrificed himself and his cows to help us, that is how I see it.

You seem to see the farmer as a martyr.

The farmer should be canonized, and his cows cownonized.

Get it? COWnonized?!!!

(LOL: I crack myself up. I really, really do!!!!)

Got milk?

I guess I do understand you mojojuju, sometimes laughing in the face of tragedy is the only way to get through it. Most comedy is based on tragedy, that is what slapstick is all about, something terrible and unfortunate happens to someone and we laugh.

But also the laugh can come from irony and from wit. I would classify your humor as slapstick.

Oh good lord...please do not spread ignorance. Bovine spongiform encephalopathy is not a virus, its a prion. This is an extremely important distinction which explains its ability to remain active at higher than normal temperatures than for viruses.

Also, I would love to know where the 60% comes from or what it even refers to. If its a 60% death rate of those with Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease(the condition in humans caused by Bovine spongiform encephalopathy), then you really have no clue what your talking about because in reality, the death rate is 100%. If it's infection rate through the consumption of meat, your proposition assumes that 60% of the global population consumes ground beef from cattle butchered in such a fashion that the brains and the spinal tissue is included (which is no longer legal). They also need to under cook the meat as well. So please...what the hell is the 60% referring to and where did you get it?

Also, this disease can not only spread by the consumption of cattle butchered is such a fashion that the spinal tissue and brain matter become mixed, but also through the usage HGH products, Immunoglobulins, corneal grafts, dural grafts or electrode implants obtained from humans already infected. Oh and cannibalism of an infected person's brain...so I guess you shouldn't that either.

The mad cow reference was a joke, but the virus that WILL come from a factory farm is a sad fact.

But has Akmed, the undercover and now long forgotten "lost cell" Al Queda brother, been dumping invert prion mad-cow chopped brain into the hamburger hopper for these last years?
Everybody's definitely getting stupider, we all know it.

Uh, unless you've been eating hamburger, I guess...

I have/had a friend, who has since passed away, and he claimed the increase in Alzhiemer's is really a form of mad cow disease.
In all of his research, and there was much he had done, (and not just on mad cow) there is evidence pointing to the possibility.

Also, in the mid/late 90s there was a family of 5, in Wisconsin I believe, where they all had died of Alzheimers before the age of 50. The youngest son was still alive at the writing, and showing signs of it at 32 years of age.
BTW...this was a dairy farm.

But I do understand where you are coming from. The factory food farms and the giant processing plants will one day unleash a disease that will spread like wildfire.

Keenymotown...did you not read what I wrote. Madcow disease (as its been labeled by the media) is NOT caused by a virus. It is caused by a prion...basically its a errant protein. It has none of the simplistic characteristics of virus.

are you American?

"Are you American" what does that fucking matter. We are all one human family.

very true jubal, the reason i asked is because thats such a blanket statement to lay on the american people. alot of us know the system is fucked but the problem is once things get this crooked its almost impossible to set it right and fix it in my humble opinion.

If only that was what ppl had been marching for the whole time...But most in this country waste their time advocating against other ppl, as opposed to demanding that we make anything work for everyone.

I think the gov't would send in the tanks like in China.

What I think is needed is a three or five million cow march. It would be a big cattle drive. With all that poop those cows would produce, the ranchers could get anything they asked for in exchange for taking all of those cattle back home.

You're right. That wasn't funny. I wrote that before I had my first cup of coffee. I'll try to come up with something funnier. What I wrote was definitely not my best work.

Its cruel, would you like someone dancing on your grave or the memory of you?

Actually I was dancing on the graves of the cows.

Sorry cows.

Thanks jubal for your moral insight.

Thanks for this link.

cool thanks

I have been hating them for a while now. I love my country, too, but I hate the government because they have given so much power to corporations.

I agree. Learning where our food comes from should be a primary class in schools, with perhaps some hands on training as well. And you are so right and this is where the disconnect happens: people on the whole do not know how hard it is to make the food they see in a market, which is why we take it for granted and are also placing too much value on the wrong things in our society.

This will likely be a growing trend as the Monsantos of the world increasingly dominate the food supply.

He killed only the 51 cows that needed milked twice a day, the other 50 he left live.
He had no help on the farm from his wife or four kids.
The poor guy milked before dawn and then after sunset, 51 cows everyday.
That alone would be enough without all the other work needed on his farm, alone, to be overwhelming day after day. He was most likely despondent and wanted to chuck it all.
He needed help! What a sad legacy.