China to ban eating dogs, cats
source: http://www.newser.com/story/79301/china-to-ban-eating-dogs-cats.html
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China plans to end thousands of years of culinary tradition by taking dogs and cat meat off its menu. A law being drafted against animal abuse—China's first—calls for the country's thousands of dog butchers and dog meat restaurants to be closed down. Stiff fines will be imposed on anybody caught eating dog or cat meat, the Times of London reports.
The debate over eating dogs and cats has sparked fierce disagreements between the affluent, pet-owning middle classes and sticklers for traditional values. Dog meat is a traditional winter dish and practitioners of Chinese medicine extol its health benefits. Cat meat is less widely eaten—largely due to a superstition that holds the cat will return by night to seek vengeance—although it remains popular among the famously omnivorous residents of Guangdong province.
http://www.newser.com/story/79301/china-to-ban-eating-dogs-cats.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7080850/China-mulls-ban-on-...
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hannahHULKK
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this urks me. i just believe in that dogs and cats are pets and not food. but if a vegetarian was talking, then this would turn into a bigger discussion. but, that is what i just think.
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hannahHULKK
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currentEcoNut85
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To calm_incense and others. Im not saying that any of those things are right. Im saying is that we need to look at ourselves the things that we do. Before we go and act "high and mighty" on other cultures, telling them what to do and not do. It just seems that no one cries foul over the things America and Europe does. wheres the outrage over what happened during the Alantic Slave Trade or whats happening to Palestinans in Gaza? No shows there outrage. But if china or some other 3 word country does something even as small as eating dog the world treats them as godless savage communist or whatever government they follow.
- 1 year ago
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currentEcoNut85
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calm_incense
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currentEcoNut85:
"wheres the outrage over what happened during the Alantic Slave Trade or whats happening to Palestinans in Gaza? No shows there outrage."
Words cannot describe how unbelievably stupid that comment is.
Yeah, because Americans have NEVER criticized their past of slavery, and Israel is just about the most loved country on the planet.
Right.
Yeah-fucking-right.
Please tell me you're a troll. -__-
I refuse someone could really say something *that* mindbogglingly stupid.
- 1 year ago
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calm_incense
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johnbrown73
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Well said Calm Incense.
EcoNut and others, there are many parts of many cultures that unnecessarily make people or animals suffer and/or die... just for the whims of people. Tradition doesn't make it right and it's not right in any culture.
I disagree with causing dogs and cats to suffer and die, I disagree with causing any living creature to suffer and die.
Don't cause the suffering you wouldn't want inflicted on yourself. It's not rocket science.
- 1 year ago
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johnbrown73
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currentEcoNut85
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China needs to stop trying to please the west. You will never be good enough for them. Do what you need to do for your country.
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currentEcoNut85
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currentEcoNut85
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I find nothing wrong with eating dogs if thats what your culture does. No one the right to destory someones culture. China has the right to eat whatever it wants. for poor people dog is a easy economical meat to find. Why do some Americans and "white" Europeans feel that the have the moral right to tell people what to do. It pisses me off to see how Europeans have such disreguard for countries and cultures and food traditions that were here longer than there cave dwelling rock hitting civilizations even came about. If a bunch of Europeans ate dog or cat. Which for hundreds of years they killed simply cause they thought they were witches. If they ate it no one would say a damn thing about it. This isnt about animal rights, its about Europe and "white Americas" need to control everything other countries do. China should be able to eat whatever the hell it wants! China doesnt tell Europe or America how it should do things and niether should they. Look at how America and Europe wastes food. We throw away pretectly good food and vegatables, we come into peoples countries and destroy there land for farming and kill off all of there game and rape there natural resources. But thats ok. Because were white and we control the f****world and were better than you. Im a black man I sure hate it when a bunch europeans try to tell me what I should and should do. My race and land just like China has been around longer than europe was a thought of. Our ancestors ate dog and other animals for thousands of years and have never had any problems till Europe said it was wrong. I for one dont eat eat dog or cat. Ive never tried it. I would love to try it one day maybe, who knows. Ill try anything once. Im not racist but I really think there is a double standard here. China I say f*** Europe and America do whats best for you. If you wanna eat dog go ahead. If you dont, dont.
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currentEcoNut85
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calm_incense
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currentEcoNut85:
Slavery, concubines, quartering, burying alive, mutilation, and slaughtering servants to assist their masters beyond the grave were all also part of Chinese culture. I suppose it would be wrong to criticize these things as well, eh?
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calm_incense
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calm_incense:
To calm_incense and others. Im not saying that any of those things are right. Im saying is that we need to look at ourselves the things that we do. Before we go and act "high and mighty" on other cultures, telling them what to do and not do. It just seems that no one cries foul over the things America and Europe does. wheres the outrage over what happened during the Alantic Slave Trade or whats happening to Palestinans in Gaza? No shows there outrage. But if china or some other 3 word country does something even as small as eating dog the world treats them as godless savage communist or whatever government they follow.
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currentEcoNut85
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johnbrown73
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People seem to forget that meat eating is completely unnecessary to live healthy and happy lives. The grains and plants given to animals (to feed comparatively few humans) are enough to feed everyone on this planet now. No-one needs to starve so why feed animals when people should be fed?
Scare-mongering by showing pictures of people starving in Africa or other parts of the world is ridiculous at best. People are not starving because vegans are feeling morally superior, it's happening because of greedy people in their governments and greedy people all around the world who think their right to eat meat is above another person's right to eat.
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johnbrown73
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johnbrown73:
How does eating meat make others starve?
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DRudeBoy
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DRudeBoy:
Because in third world countries, in particular, it's based on class.
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EthicalVegan
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DRudeBoy:
@ DRudeBoy
The more meat we eat, the fewer people we can feed. If everyone on Earth received 25 percent of his or her calories from animal products, only 3.2 billion people could be nourished. Dropping that figure to 15 percent would mean that 4.2 billion people could be fed. If everyone went vegan, there would be more than enough food to nourish the world's entire population—more than 6.3 billion people. The WorldWatch Institute sums this up perfectly, saying, "[M]eat consumption is an inefficient use of grain—the grain is used more efficiently when consumed by humans. Continued growth in meat output is dependent on feeding grain to animals, creating competition for grain between affluent meat-eaters and the world's poor."Crops that could be used to feed the hungry are instead being used to fatten animals raised for food." It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of edible animal flesh.
For more info see http://bit.ly/9jhFcI
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EthicalVegan:
How does rich people being able to afford meat starve people?
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johnbrown73:
I've heard this song and dance before, what you leave out, however, that right now there is more than enough food to feed the world's population. It's a matter of resource allocation and nation-building.
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world%20hunger%20facts%202002.htm
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southrabbit:
A TRUE vegan would never dress up any animal, as that's exploitation of said beings.
And, since we ETHICAL vegans are non-violent, of COURSE we would not kill ANY being, including humans, for goodness sake.
I'm neither a chauvinist nor a fool.
Kindly do not mis-label those of us who genuinely care. Since you don't personally know me, you've no right to speak of me incorrectly. I'm a really nice person, southrabbit, and I don't play that "moral high ground" game to which you also alluded.
Oh, and I have a compost pit.
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EthicalVegan
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telcod
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But, as a friend of mine once said, "Dog taste good." Then again, "Mary had a little lamb." and Charolette's "Some pig" and ain't those cow faces sweet? Bambi? As another friend told me way back, "I can kill a tomato." The secret life of plants? Can you hear the grass screaming? If only everyone thought (and ate) like me.
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telcod
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EthicalVegan
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http://current.com/items/92047010_chinas-dog-meat-trade.htm
There is a saying amongst Southern Chinese that "anything with four legs, except a chair and anything that flies, except an aeroplane, can be eaten" and nowhere is this more true than in Guangdong Province, where the live animal markets are famed for the astounding variety of animals on sale for human consumption. Dog is a preferred meat, and the cultural belief is that the greater the torture in killing the dog while butchering it, the tastier is its meat.
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EthicalVegan
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EclecticBadger
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Only the well off will have the choice. The worlds population is growing exponentially and global food supplies are diminishing - give it 20 years and westerners will be eating dog too.
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calm_incense
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EclecticBadger:
@ Eclectic Badger:
Funny how you cite the Chinese and Westerners, when both China and the West will face severe population shortages as birthrates drop below replacement level—with most of the growth being due to immigration, which OFFSETS the ACTUAL critical problem of high population density in poorer countries.
The ignorance of pseudo-Malthusians is just mind-boggling.
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calm_incense
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medHead
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ah damn
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EthicalVegan
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http://current.com/items/92024602_draft-law-to-jail-dog-eaters-whets-debate-beij...
Update: 29 January 2010
http://Xinhuanet.com
WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC VIOLENCEBEIJING (Reuters) - A proposal to jail people who eat dog meat for up 15 days has caused controversy in China, where dog hot pot is traditionally popular.
The first draft of a law against animal abuse, aiming to protect animals from being hurt or killed in a cruel manner, has been completed by a group of experts and will be raised for legislation this April, local media reported.
In particular, the draft suggested people caught eating dog or cat meat be jailed for up to 15 days and fined 5,000 yuan ($732.5), while businesses would be fined from 100,000 to 500,000 yuan, according to the Chongqing Evening News.
Debate immediately swirled in Chinese media and Internet forums.
"Eating cats and dogs is a shameless barbarian thing. Anyone with humanity would not kill these loyal friends of ours," a user named "Yuxiang999" posted on Xinhuanet.com.
Pet lovers' associations have sprung up in Chinese cities, with one liberation group last year ramming a truck full of caged cats to rescue them from being shipped to southern restaurants.
While many Chinese enjoy rich dog meat, especially during cold winters, some object to the practice in some regions of beating dogs to death to release the blood into the meat.
The China National Native Produce & Animal By-Products Import and Export Corporation backed the initiative, which it believes will improve overseas perceptions of Chinese exports.
Others insisted a ban on dog and cat meat was unrealistic.
"Banning such custom by law is inappropriate and unable to work," the Yangtze Evening News quoted Xu Huiqiang, chief of wild animal protection in Jiangsu province, where a dog meat recipe has been listed as a piece of cultural heritage.
An official of Leping, a city that has a traditional catering industry based on dog meat, told the Jiangxi News that the local economy and people's life would be terribly hurt by such a law.
"Cooking them alive must be punished but which meat to eat should be people's own choice," said a commentary on Xinhua Daily in Nanjing. "Some people in China still can't afford meat. We should not blindly copy Western values."
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4p1tk_dogs-china-raw-5_animals
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biggranny
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China is white washing the worst record of human and animal rights
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biggranny
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lizziehoffman
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pure political move.
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b1nhac64
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calm-incense! r u 4 real? i bet u r someone who yelp's at a paper cut,i would like to hear u scream being skinned alive! or thrown in boiling water 2 tenderize the meat,and what the hell does Palistine have 2 do with this article? remember God created Man and Beast and we must respect each other's space not abuse and destroy,I have been a dog owner for many year's and know their intelligence and know they feel pain--if u remember a few year's ago a group of Animal Right's went to China,and saved some dog's from being mutilated,and brought them back to Canada 4 adoption-think again who is barbaric and genocidal----CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!
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b1nhac64
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calm_incense
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b1nhac64:
Goddamn you're stupid.
Your shitty grammar aside:
1. Haven't you learned yet? I can take ALL of your posts and turn them back on you. I was going to do it again, but it's clear you just can't grasp the concept.
2. When the fuck did I ever mention Palestine?
3. If you were dying of starvation, you wouldn't give much of a fuck about animal rights. Sympathy for others outside of your own family (let alone species) is a luxury of the wealthy.
4. Who is barbaric and genocidal? Gee, how about the one who wants to wipe 1.3 billion people off the face of the earth?
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calm_incense
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Progresshiv
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I love dogs and cats, but starving is worse than losing Fido to the soup kettle.
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Tradiggy
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OK meateaters unite, I don't agree with eat'n dogs and cats, but that is what they do to live. We treat they like babies, but let something happen that there isn't any food. People will eat dogs, cats, frogs, turtles, hamsters, and whatever it takes to live.
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royulery
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a large number of my friends of the western deserts eat dog. i don't like it myself and resent when its the only thing to eat. cat is a terrible thing to eat, nobody should try it. i tried to cook mountain lion that a rancher had killed and the stink ruined the kitchen for a week.
the rule of eating things with faces goes like this; if it eats meat and has four legs it is unsavory, if it eats plants its all good up to the balls.
omnivores like pigs, bears and people are said to taste like pork. - 2 years ago
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royulery
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ozoneocean
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Good on them. Every little bit counts!
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ozoneocean
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ibrake4rappers13
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They should stop skinning them alive too.
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Ari_Liston
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This is definitely all about image...but i'm going to appreciate being able to tell my friends to knock off the "asians eat dog" jokes...
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Orkhaic
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Damn, that white one in the middle looked tasty :(
When labmeat becomes widely available we can eat all the dog/cat we like!
Guess China's going cold-turkey for a while..
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Orkhaic:
oh, har har har.
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stephenthomson
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OMG this is great news!! I didn't think it would happen in our lifetime. So glad that tradition is ending. After seeing Laura Ling's Vanguard piece on it I was sickened.
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Dejan_Croatia
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i think china should ban eating dogs and cats if china wants too, i hope they are not doing it because of the western influence.
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Dejan_Croatia:
And why would THAT be? Serious question, because I'm not understanding why a "western influence" would be a bad thing when it comes to saving lives and preventing pain and fear.
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I would be a lot more impressed if the Chinese government kept allowing people to eat dogs and cats but instead conferred upon its people the rights contained in the U.S.'s Bill of Rights (even if they left out the Second Amendment, which I don't see China adopting any sooner than 500 years from now), along with establishing a judiciary with a scintilla of independence from the national government. My (as yet unborn) grandchildren will not live long enough to see even half of those rights adopted in China...but a man can dream...
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http://attackofthenews.blogspot.com/ those poor dogs & cats trapped in those cages.
www.twitter.com/Makavelligiga - 2 years ago
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indiaskys
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Great News! Thanks for posting!
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feefer2010
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we can't force everyone to stop eating meat but we could at the very least treat animals with respect. I'm not saying pamper them like lap dogs but maybe we should bring back the farms of yesteryear. Dose chicken taste any better after its been held in filthy overcrowded conditions?
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sidewayssquare
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never mind these freaks eating cats and dogs, how about making the practice of eating fetus's illegal, yay the critters got some rights, how about all the humans?
and never mind the fact these monsters sell us trinkets full of lead, but its prety hard to tell the loan shark to stop hurting those you love when you cant pay and you keep asking for more, is this a subtle sign of things to come?
i urge you to read the art of war, no not the movie! the 6th century BC war manuscript written by sun tzu, then you might have a glimpse of the nature of these infidels, remember mao zedong? as a comparison hitler was responsible for the death of 16 million citizens, mao zedong was responsible for 50-70 million deaths of his own people, im sure hitler would of been proud.
wake up people, this cats and dogs jive is just a smoke screen!
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sidewayssquare:
Your sheer ignorance is mind-boggling.
1. The notion of Chinese people eating fetuses is an old Internet myth triggered by a photograph of a performance artist in Taiwan whose performance consisted of eating what appeared to be human flesh (but was not).
2 Do you really think The Art of War's biggest claim to fame is as a movie? Jesus Christ, talk about a Philistine arrogantly passing off as an intellectual.
3. Look at the terminology you're using—freaks, monsters, infidels? Hitler would have been proud of your scathingly racist remarks of what you CLEARLY deem to be a SUB-HUMAN group of barbarians that comprises one-fifth of all of mankind currently in existence.
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calm-incense----For your information Canada does not have a overpopulated Country,second i would loved to see a Chinese abused and eaten like those poor creatures have been for so long,i am not genocidal,but innocent animals cannot protect or fight for their right to survive like human's can every China-Man should feel all the pain of all the animal's that were killed!!!!!!!!!!1
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b1nhac64:
Hilarious, because Canada DOES in fact have a higher population growth rate than China.
Furthermore, here is a list of countries more densely populated than China:
South Korea
Netherlands
Belgium
Japan
the UK
Germany
Italy
Switzerland...should we conduct massive ethnic cleansing of all these peoples as well?
I would loved to see a Canadian abused and clubbed like those poor seals have been for so long. I am not genocidal, but innocent seals cannot protect or fight for their right to survive like humans can. Every Canada-Man should feel all the pain of all the seals that were killed!!!!!!!!!!1
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b1nhac64:
Canada-Man, I again have to fully support Calm_Incense's sentiments (and her facts), and I'm a vegan. But your approach, and your thoughts, feel really just awful... and it DOES sound like genocide on your part.
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EthicalVegan
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melynda
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if we are talking about eating animals according to their intelligence, I got a bunch of buddies that are fixn to be all-u-can-eat specials.
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melynda
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b1nhac64
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I think that now it's the dog's and cat's turn to feed upon the Chinese people and get rid of the surplus population!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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calm_incense
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b1nhac64:
@ b1nhac64:
Can we start with you first? After all, chances are your country has a higher growth rate than China's.
By the way, always nice to see a genocidal maniac on Current.
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b1nhac64:
GOOD one, Calm_Incense!
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Tony_Solomon
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Praise God.
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Valence
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The same treatment dogs and cats get cows, pigs and chickens get, but you don't see anyone banning that, meat is meat as far as i'm concerned, if the wolrd so happens to go to the zombies, Note i will eat your cat Fiffy or your Dog Fuffy with no mercy.
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Valence:
Gee, that's pleasant...
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DRudeBoy
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This is pointless, if you're going to eat pigs and cows, what's wrong with dogs and cats? I wouldn't eat dogs or cats because I view them as companion animals, but I understand that as what it is, completely cultural. They shouldn't make the practice illegal, they should make sure the animals aren't terribly mistreated before they are killed.
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Brick_Swine
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well at least it's a step in the right direction
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Brick_Swine:
Yeah! At least they're eating the animals after skinning them alive for J. Crew.
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Brick_Swine:
this is exactly what I was going to say. Why do some people gotta be negative all the time? Yes other animals will still be eaten, but at least these dogs and cats won't. A good start.
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Ares
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At least I can still eat dolphins, elephants, toucan birds, and whales. Organisms consume other organisms for energy. Why is that so goddamn difficult for you guys to understand?
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Ares:
Yes, but cows and pigs don't have cute faces and are incapable of making hilarious posters.
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Ares:
Pigs are far more hilarious than dogs, and adult dogs and cats don't have cute faces either.
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KSirys
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This is a great thing! Now, we just have to wait for other animals to be put on this list!!
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Hell... it is About Time id Say Personally but as to the Fact that People hate Eating oR Love Eating meat is a Fact that will Remain as Long as Gods and Human Morals... Dogs are Mans Best Friend... Pigs are Filthy animals... Chickens serve us Nutritious Meals wile Alive, Cats are Worthless Selfish animals... and The World keeps Turning and Burning and Gays Exist only Because of Sex... in the Words of Mr.Stern "Gays, Straights, its All About Fucking and its ALL Disgusting"... Food is Food Gays are Gay but God Will Above all this Nonsense still Remains...
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HellastOne:
Forgot to take your daily medication, eh?
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calm_incense
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NuclearLullaby
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Can you say publicity stunt?Of course this is a thing to try to make the western world hate China less,but until China denounces communism & Tibet is no longer under Chinese rule,people will STILL find reasons to hate China! China has been eating just about everything,including species that are STILL somewhat unknown or thought to be extinct to most of the world! It seems very strange that after a few thousand years, that China would suddenly decide to ban eating ANYTHING really,but then China is a strange place!
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NuclearLullaby:
I don't agree with you, this move comes from China's middle class, who don't like the idea of dogs and cats being eaten. The Chinese government isn't in a position that they need to care how we view their eating habits.
As for your other points, China is communist in name only and the cause of Tibet is a lost one, China will never relinquish it, and even if they did, the Tibetans would be screwed, because as a mountainous, largely landlocked country, they owed most of their infrastructure to China.
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NuclearLullaby:
Funny—when you're dying starvation, whether or not an animal is "endangered" doesn't seem terribly important. -__-
Wealthy, well-fed Westerners criticizing poor, impoverished rural people for making the most out of their resources—rich.
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calm_incense
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The Chinese are showing their first sign of weakness and animal inequality, no war in the foreseeable future. It's all just a conspiracy! Dogs and Cats are spared the indignity that Cows, Goats and Sheep suffer on a daily basis. What makes eating dogs and cats so different from munching all other "domesticated" animals? Farce.....
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its just a PR move to improve their world standing, especially after they have taken so much criticism over the Google issue.
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CalgarC
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will they shutdown tyson and cargill too... or at least try lol
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melynda
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ewwwww. Did you know that many americans still make dog stew?
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melynda:
what americans are *you* talking about??
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The whole world seems to be attempting, albeit very slowly, to move away from cruelty to animals. This is always punctuated by awful stories of mistreatment in slaughterhouses and the like but there have been many improvements in Western countries. That China is finally taking the step of legally banning the eating of cats and dogs is an almost mind-boggling shift for that country towards progress and we should be pleased at this step. First get people to stop the crating and the cruelty, then you can deal with the moral subtleties of which animals are eaten. In this instance I think they banned the eating altogether because the only people who eat cats and dogs cannot, by their lower station in life, be separated from the cruelty of it. If it cannot be made humane it must altogether be banned and I imagine that's what the thinking was.
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zenwhenicanbe2:
I thought dog was eaten by mostly everyone, not just those with a "lower station" in life? I fail to see how mistreatment of one type of animal is superior to the mistreatment of others, even if it's because some are more applicable for human companionship. While I do applaud China attempting to reason their laws more against animal cruelty, this doesn't seem to make sense to me. Why ban the eating of an animal steeped in traditon, rather than impose quality standards on for how they are kept/slaughtered?
"If it cannot be made humane it must altogether be banned..."
I dunno about that. What is "humane" is a bit of a different definition for everyone, isn't it? Even if it is primarily centered in the lower class, this could also be seen as an under-the-table move by the Chinese government to further hamper and disenfranchise the lower or traditional classes of China that have built their lives or families around the eating of traditional foods... mind games. Another reason that makes me wonder why they didn't just up the inspection standards of where they're kept, like many countries do for farm animals (to varying degrees of success).
- 2 years ago
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JosephJinx
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julesrs007
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Is this about some new found morality? Anyone who has watched the series 'Cooking in the Danger Zone' Dog Farms (LinkTV.org) would find it difficult to believe that they are willing to give up consuming dogs.
What about the hundreds of thousands of dogs that are killed every time China decides to 'cull'... government officials (police) were throwing dogs to their death from high rise windows, burning them alive in groups...
Then there is the FUR industry. Methods include being anally electrocuted and skinned alive; not even puppies are safe.
The common excuse of 'traditional medicines' is most pathetic... NOTHING should allow humans to willfully inflict pain and suffering to other sentient beings.
Read National Geographic 2010 Jan Issue
Asia's Wildlife Trade: Trafficking in Wildlife (page 101)
"Time and again I found experts eager to take me to see atrocities: bear cubs in Vietnam dipped in boiling water to intensify 'life force' in bear-paw soup." - 2 years ago
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julesrs007
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scabbio
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So they won't eat the dogs but they will continue to tear their hides off and put them on our trendy winter coats as "faux fur" trim. unconscionable. way to go china.
- 2 years ago
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scabbio
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remanns
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Eat the rich.
- 2 years ago
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remanns
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JosephJinx
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Exactly. Why should years and years of culinary tradition in a country be compromised because of outside beliefs? If China wants to do something about how the animals are treated before slaughter, that would be a MUCH more viable law. However, it does seem to be a monetary issue; a law such as that would entail rigorous inspections that may not be able to be upheld. Simply banning the eating of both entirely would be a much easier and broader alternative. But it's not like China's economy is -that- bad off, anyway... just seems they cut corners and sacrificed their culture for the appeasement of interest groups.
Don't get me wrong- animal cruelty is disgusting and should be treated as such. But if a country eats certain animals, as long as their conditions are kept as good as possible before slaughter, and the slaughtering is humane (killing them before boiling or skinning, for instance), I don't see what the problem is.
A question: What, exactly, is going to happen to all of the cats and dogs that are currently being raised for food that can no longer be used as such? I see rampant stray problems in the near future.
- 2 years ago
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JosephJinx
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Sublime_Emperor
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i don't think they have to ban eating cats and dogs, just not treat them so bad before hand.
- 2 years ago
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Sublime_Emperor
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Bushido
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Now China's pets have as many rights as China's citizens!
- 2 years ago
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Bushido
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insaintity
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Drat! And I was SO EXCITED to hunker down to a JUICY frikkin' Turdoggen-Catduck-Horsemouse stir fry...Now how will I be able to consume ethnicity?
- 2 years ago
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insaintity
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overxertionoftheMIND
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I don't have a problem with eating meat (I mean, look at nature; wolves and other animals do it too). It's the cruel way these animals are treated before they die and how they kill them, and I'm not just talking about cats & dogs here... this happens in America's meat industry too. They shouldn't ban eating cats and dogs "because it's cruel," they should ban the cruel treatment of ALL animals.
- 2 years ago
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overxertionoftheMIND
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jenuribe
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overxertionoftheMIND:
completely agree, yet if it was only as easy as that :[
- 2 years ago
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jenuribe
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good_stuff
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overxertionoftheMIND:
So you mean to tell me that a pack of wolves wearing out an American Bison and takeing several hours to kill it before it finally colapses in exhaustion and they can rip out its jugular is a more human way to be killed?
At least domesticated animals largley do not have to compete with preditors and finding food. I'm sure every wild animal could only wish to be so lucky. Isn't that why we as humans became civilized?
- 2 years ago
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good_stuff
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Sexirobot
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History will remember this moment, for it(the ban) will surely swell the ranks of counterrevolutionaries and bring about the fall of the PRC.
- 2 years ago
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Sexirobot
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overxertionoftheMIND
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Sexirobot:
I highly doubt that...
- 2 years ago
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overxertionoftheMIND
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DRudeBoy
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Sexirobot:
People's Republic of China, and China doesn't have the charge of "counterrevolutionary" anymore. It was done away with during the reforms.
- 2 years ago
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DRudeBoy
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calm_incense
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It's pretty obvious this was done to improve China's reputation with Westerners.
- 2 years ago
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calm_incense
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CuteBruiser
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calm_incense:
No kidding! Much like the temporary ban on dog meat in Korea when they hosted the Olympics.
- 2 years ago
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CuteBruiser
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UWAZell
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calm_incense:
That;s exactly what I thought.
- 2 years ago
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UWAZell
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DRudeBoy
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calm_incense:
Maybe partly, but the main reason is because China's rising middle class doesn't want to see companion animals eaten. People in the countryside still eat dogs and cats and will continue to do so.
- 2 years ago
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DRudeBoy
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HowdyDo
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It's not so much about what they are eating (dog/cat vs. cow/pig), but how they are treated - dogs & cats put in tiny cages, sometimes w/ legs broken, dropped alive in boiling water, etc. - severe cruelty. Yes, lobsters & crawfish suffer similar fates - cruel, as well, but, yes, they aren't as "cute." Go figure.
- 2 years ago
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HowdyDo
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calm_incense
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HowdyDo:
Lobsters and crawfish are also far less intelligent than dogs and cats...
- 2 years ago
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calm_incense
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CuteBruiser
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HowdyDo:
Uh, have you ever read ANYTHING about the meat industry in America? These kind of things happen to pigs, cows, chickens, turkeys, etcetera ...
- 2 years ago
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CuteBruiser
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HowdyDo
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HowdyDo:
I don't advocate for mistreatment of any animals - mistreatment of chickens and cows is equally offensive. If you want to make all equal, make sure that whatever you are eating, whether it be a cat or a cow or a lobster, is killed in a humane manner.
- 2 years ago
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HowdyDo
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EthicalVegan
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HowdyDo:
Better to just not kill at all, I believe.
- 2 years ago
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EthicalVegan
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jmb0802
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HowdyDo:
I agree. There's no reason animals have to suffer, even if you're going to eventually eat them.
- 2 years ago
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jmb0802
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device80
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now they can only survive on rats, donkeys and horses ... poor people ...lol
- 2 years ago
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device80
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BFAM_RVS
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All animals are worth saving....unfortunately, humans are idiots and so when they do things, they are typically done in an unreasonable and stupid manner with idiotic reasoning, as is typified by the ludacris law to start with dogs and cats instead of making the ban have a larger umbrella....
- 2 years ago
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BFAM_RVS
