How many other Holocausts have occurred and why are they not remembered?
source: http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnists/peter-eyre/3843-how-many-other-holocaust-occurred-and...
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But it seems that whenever there is any incident or conflict concerning Israel, we are almost forcibly reminded of the sad events that took place those many years ago. It is used as a sort of diversionary tactic, as if to say "hey, listen we are only protecting our existence after what happened to our people during the Holocaust." It's as if this is an excuse for the Israelis to do whatever they want today, because they were the victims of such a terrible crime during WW2. This mindset is terribly wrong and it is time to bring some logic back into the world.
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we remember this one because our technology allowed us to document what we as human beings resist believing. the terrible nature of human beings and the massive evil that can come.combine that with the jews who are a utopian people who are tought to always be in a state of progress in all that you do (tokun olam) and you have a passionate campaign of compasion rising above flawed humanity.
as to why we can still turn a blind eye to cambodia,rwanda,darfur, and so on is sad and a spit in the face to all those who have died before. - 1 year ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsvK5Gko0eM&feature=player_embedded
Murderous hatred and antisemitism from young Moroccans in Holland. And these punks are representative.
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The total extermination of the Jews is a religious obligation incumbent on all Muslims. See links under 'Jews - extermination a religious duty' at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.ht...
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jimmysemens again makes a false claim. He claims that the Jews were not war with Germany, but this is not entirely accurate.
jimmysemens needs to clarify which Jews when he says "the Jews." "The Jews" as in the average working Jew, some of which I'm sure were proud Germans, were not at war with the German people, but "the Jews" meaning the wealthy Jews, the arisoicratic, the banking, the industrialist and the Zionist Jews were defintely at war with the German people.
I will use the very words of Samuel Untermeyer, who has largely been written out of mainstream Holocaust and WW2 history:
"What we are proposing and have already gone far toward doing, is to prosecute a purely defensive economic boycott that will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends."
According to Wiki:
Untermyer advocated the Zionist liberation movement and was President of the Keren Hayesod, the agency through which the movement was then and still is conducted in America[8].
Untermyer publicly called for the political destruction of Germany in 1933. As quoted in the New York Times on Aug. 07, 1933, Untermyer exclaimed: "The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them, that will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business."
But here is a more accurate account of what happened:
Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II - the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out. The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime. It was only then that Germany struck back in response.
Prominent New York attorney Samuel Untermyer (above right) was one of the leading agitators in the war against Germany, describing the Jewish campaign as nothing less than a "holy war."
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The white man just can't catch a break in these times. As O'brian said "you know who is responsible for Astro Turf, THE JEWS!
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There is too much false and careless ( and malicious) equivalence going down here. Let's get one thing absolutely clear here. The jews were not at war with the nazis. They were not combatants actively involved in a conflict with the German people. In all the other cases cited here, the victims of genocide were involved in a civil war or conflict with the dominating party. The armenians were fighting the Turks, the Native American Indians were fighting the Europeans and indeed each other, the Tutsis were fighting the Hutus in a civil war, the Cambodian debacle was a civil war and a political conflict. And so on. The Jews were not at war with the Nazis and were no threat at all. There was no provocation.
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Yes Andrew jackson was the first out of control, land grabbing monster war monger presidents who would violate the constitution and forcibly annex Mexican lands. He was the father and creator of the trail of tears. He had no compassion for the pain and misery he imposed on the native American. He moved settlers into Texas only to obtain the votes for forming a republic and annexing. And just like Alexander Hamilton who gave away the American banking system and gave it to the Lords of money. Corrupt government is not a newborn child it has aged into a vicious monster. It is quite grown up and an independent entity in its own right. Hence our Washington owes us nothing, rather it is we who owe the government no matter how deep the blood has flowed over the two centuries. Many of us have lavished in satin ignorance while young kids are constantly called upon to sacrifice and give their lives and virginity for a bloody death at the hands of profiteers. During WWII Radio Moscow used the term War Monger often to refer to the USA. We of course had no idea that the OSS had become the CIA and it was involved in the nasty clandestine ways of infamy. Yes Stalin was a nasty monster too. But who was the better or the worst?
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I'd like to thank the Current user who added this to the anti-Zenophobic group lol
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/27610/andrew_jackson_and_the_indian_rem...
"jimmysemens is incorrect when he says that the Holocaust was the only instance in history when the extermination of a people, an act of genocide, was official government policy.
Jackson and Democratic politicians promoted the 1830 Indian Removal Act, which would renegotiate treaties and fund removal of Indians to the West, which was called a “voluntary” policy. However, the Western lands of places like Oklahoma and Kansas were
not to the quality of Southern farming lands and was possibly an unfair trade with the Indians. As well, while the Indians were not citizens of the United States, they were subject to American bigotry, violence, and the American court system. The Supreme Court, however, ruled several times in the early 1830s to favor native rights. Jackson, firing back at the judiciary, said that the Court could have its way when it could enforce its rulings (a shot at the strength of the judiciary and a promotion of his strong executive powers). Jackson’s way became law and the exodus of Indians from southern lands began.The Indian removal of the mid-1830s was an unmitigated disaster, with thousands of natives dying and the few who were able to settle in the west unable to make a living. Jackson, however, stuck to his guns by justifying the exodus as working for the best interests of Indians."
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When someone actually tries to kill you - there is something in the comprehension of one who would be so lacking in base respect, respect for themselves and respect for life, - that it really pisses you off.
We have a vast lake of humanity - and it comes to the quality of society where more have a comprehension of the beauty of life and have the deeply inherent respect and self-respect for life.
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Just remember why and how a Holocaust can occur. A nation and its political leaders determine that a state of war must exist to feed their economy. So they create a propaganda program creating a reason for hating some one or some group and from there the citizens with the help from the propaganda department take over and it becomes Mob rule and life is worthless during these time. but always it is governments and hunger for power and money that creates the conditions. We here in America have lived through Black holocausts, perhaps not in the vast numbers but a holocaust just the same. And the Civil war was a Holocaust. Look at the young kids who died for their country. The North Hated the South and the South hated the North and this hatred persisted long into the twentieth Century. But it is always governments that dream up wars and it is the Military who carry's the cause of the slaughter. Just recently and even now Zbigniew Brzezinski has proposed that the USA shall be the hegemon or leader in the Eurasian nations halfway aroung the world with Russia on one side and China on the other. Now We are told that Islam is a religion of peace whether to look favorable in the eyes of the Eurasian natives or not the facts are quite well known. This is asking for a real bloody war and you can see how easy it is to create a holocaust today. Tom provoke either Russia or China in this age where all have nuclear weapons is tantamount to suicide and Holocausts. The only answer is to reign in the politics at any expense. Obama has promised to sell a bunch of Missiles to Taiwan and already this is a provocation in the strictest means.
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Christians do not read the old testament where God declares he is a GOD of War. They read the NewTestament that way they can get away with claiming to be a born again Christians thats when people are caught with their hands in the cookie jar. To atone for their sin they become born again Christians and find that they are among friends. Then again the Televangelist Empires are living under the New Testament bubblle and begging for money as per the New Testament. That is their justification for demanding cash for forgiving sins. Reminds me of German history of the early German Empire where Priests were allowed to go from town to town and forgive sins for cash. Of course the fear of heaven and hell was more intense then too. The old testament details the countries where the Jews had tried to colonize and failed. Throughout the history of the Israelites, The Jews were not mistreated because they were Jews. They were mistreated then and now because of the religion of Zion, hence they were known and hated as Zionists. THis too is to be understood because Zionism is like Islam, Anyone who is not a zionist is a heathen as compared to an infidel. And anyone who is not a zionist is to be stoned to death and this to as opposed to ISlam. Jews can only marry Jews and Moslems can only marry moslems. To be an anti-semite is only to be anti-Zionist, because a Jew is an ordinary person as you and I. It is the Zionist who deserves the hate of the world not the Jew. But in the Muslem community there are very few if any non-Islamic population since they would be executed as per Sharia. It must be hell to live in communities where religious police can arrest you or just execute you and it is justified and again under Zionism, I do not know what the consequences of just being a non-Zionist Israelite is or just a plain jew if that is possible. The greatest honor we could bestow on the victims of these horrors is to Isolate those who want to practice religion and make sure they can not continue to poison the human minds with this trash.
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The Holocaust was the only instance in history when the extermination of a people, an act of genocide, was official government policy. That makes it unique.
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jimmysemens:
No it wasn't, practically all genocides are either state policy or are supported by state run or funded paramilitary groups.
Cambodia, state policy. Native Americans, state policy. Armenia, state policy. Genocide of Kurds in Iraq, state policy. It goes on and on.
I would say what makes the Holocaust unique is how calculated and well documented it was, the despicable scientific precision of it.
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jimmysemens:
The Khmer Rouge killed their own people. There was no official state policy to exterminate the American Indians. The Armenian slaughter was Islamic Jihad (Turkish version) against Christians. Saddam Hussein and his thugs were not a democratically elected state and they did not have a plan to wipe out all the Kurds, who were dispersed throughout Iraq, Iran and Turkey. The Nazis had a plan to annihilate all Jews in whatever land they invaded. That was their purpose and an explicit part of their political manifesto.
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If that was the case jimmysemens then Zionist powerbrokers would not have struck a deal with Hitler and the Nazis to have German Jews immigrate to PALESTINE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX62OpLggA
Zionist leadership and the Third Reich agreed on arrangements whereby German Jews could emigrate to Palestine under somewhat more favorable financial conditions and whereby German trade with Palestinian Jewry would increase. In turn, majority Zionists (as against the Revisionists) backed away from the boycott.
The author, Edwin Black, documents the divisions within Jewry, insisting that the Zionists put their cause-German emigration to Palestine-ahead of the possible protection of Jews via more militant economic measures. Although shockingly deficient in his grasp of German developments, Black explicates the several Jewish positions, and seems to argue both that an early boycott might have succeeded and that "the Zionists were the coldest realists-perhaps the only realists-of the period."
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jimmysemens:
I'd like to thank the Current user who added this to the anti-Zenophobic group lol
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/27610/andrew_jackson_and_the_indian_rem...
"jimmysemens is incorrect when he says that the Holocaust was the only instance in history when the extermination of a people, an act of genocide, was official government policy.
Jackson and Democratic politicians promoted the 1830 Indian Removal Act, which would renegotiate treaties and fund removal of Indians to the West, which was called a “voluntary” policy. However, the Western lands of places like Oklahoma and Kansas were
not to the quality of Southern farming lands and was possibly an unfair trade with the Indians. As well, while the Indians were not citizens of the United States, they were subject to American bigotry, violence, and the American court system. The Supreme Court, however, ruled several times in the early 1830s to favor native rights. Jackson, firing back at the judiciary, said that the Court could have its way when it could enforce its rulings (a shot at the strength of the judiciary and a promotion of his strong executive powers). Jackson’s way became law and the exodus of Indians from southern lands began.The Indian removal of the mid-1830s was an unmitigated disaster, with thousands of natives dying and the few who were able to settle in the west unable to make a living. Jackson, however, stuck to his guns by justifying the exodus as working for the best interests of Indians."
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The unfortunate reality about the Holocuast is that people remember it because a whole lot of movies and tv specials have been done about it.
Because when it comes right down to it, most people just don't give a shit about mass murder. I hate to quote Stalin, but he was right. "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
Or even if you do give a shit, what can you do? Join a national military or the U.N. Peacekeepers and pray that they'll intervene so you can get sent in somewhere to save lives? Even then, as you tackle one genocide another goes unanswered. Plus public support always fractures on the issue and then your own soldiers commit similar atrocities.
There's something about the human brain that just cannot fathom that much death. I myself have tried to put in perspective and it's difficult. But here's a good way to think about. In a genocide the size of the Nazi holocaust, pick the nearest big city county close to you. Now imagine that EVERYONE, literally every man, woman and child, was dead. Literally, for miles and miles just dead bodies everywhere in the streets and that should start to give you some idea of the horror that is genocide.
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Saladin:
Quoting a monster like Stalin to support your warped sentiments is about as low as it gets. Stalin was never right about anything. He was an evil scumbag. A million deaths is NOT a statistic, it is a tragedy. Who are you going to quote next? Hitler? Mao? Manson?
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Saladin:
So are you a complete tool or just incapable of rational thought?
My point was that people just simply cannot comprehend that much death and that's why there isn't as much outrage about genocides as there should be.
Think before you respond please, if it's not too much trouble.
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a big part of the old testament deals with genocide done by the isrealites.
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Nephwrack:
Yeah, and some people still have the nerve to call it "the good book."
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A whole bunch and because nobody wrote it down. Other wise we would have a record of it. Well thas my guess. Good as any other.
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I think it must be remembered not only because it happened but because it was so calculated, so systematic that it worked like a set of well greased gears....being a nurse I always questioned how doctors trained and having taken the oath; to first do no harm... could do the atrocities they committed on live unanesticized humans.
I remember the Russians, Stalin to be exact killing a greater number of people after WWII (than Hebrews in WWII).
And not to long ago 'no one' seemed to care about the Tutus/Hutus genocidal slaughtering. - 2 years ago
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Thats a very good question. There have been many right here in the USA. The Barbarians of Washington wiped out many Indian Tribes in the building of Imperial States of America. Count the treaties that were broken and you can count some of the Genocides. But the greatest was "The trail of Tears". Can any civilized person look at the US Government records over the years and have respect for what we have been taught is the greatest country in the world. Lets set the record straight.There is a difference between the Country and the land and the Government because once elected to office the Politicians immediately are sheltered in their own Empire and they become above the people and not public servants. So if we call the constitution the country, then yes we have the greatest country but immediately after being sworn to uphold the constitution the politiicians start finding loopholes and reasons to break it. When considering all of these years that politicians have spent writing and passing laws and amending the bill of rights the country has lost much of its glamour and beauty.As a student in the 1930's we never read about such stories as the trail of tears or the battle of wounded knee. We did however read bout Custers raid and of course the Indians were the villans. When we travel and see the natural wonders of the USA we should ask ourselves if we had had a sane intelligent government during the movement west could we not had made treaties and kept those treaties, after all we were intruders and we were the offensive movement west and we left a trail of blood at every mile. Move to the great Ciivil War. Was it necessary to declare war against our own people? What was the real reason for the civil War? Was it supposed to be a war of profit? If so Honest Abe screwed the banks but it still cost a nation in blood and bodies. Was it necessary or was it just to prove that nobody leaves the Union? What ever it was it was still a travesty of justice. Yes the American Indian could have become a partner but they were labeled as SAVAGES by all and for this reason the killings escalated to near perfect ethnic cleansing and the Government did nothing to protect the Native American.
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Ragan:
Or how the British in Detroit, in the revolutionary era, encouraged Native American's to scalp and kill Innocent settlers for revenge on them for taking the Indians land. When in fact the Iroquois had sold the land to the settlers.... The Iroquois having told the settlers it was their land to sell, when in fact it was not. The Native Americans were not all one people and had a history of fighting among themselves over Mother (Turtle's) Earth's gift to her people. Many tribes were nomads and went where the hunting and foraging were according to the seasons.
The settlers retaliated by attacking innocent passive natives who were living among Mennonites and were now planters and no longer nomads..... A lot of misunderstanding was involved.... on all sides... - 2 years ago
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http://current.com/items/91998716_oliver-stone-says-hitler-was-enabled-by-wester...
Follow the Money. Read Antony Sutton's books or at least watch some video; he'll show you the way. - 2 years ago
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''....because only a shitty human being or an anti-semite would think along those lines.''
This site is crawling with racist antisemitic bigots like those on this thread. Occasionally they crawl out of the sewer and infest cyberspace with their hatred. And yes you're right...only a shitty human being does think along the lines expressed here.
Voted down and flagged for hate speech.
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jimmysemens:
What was flagged as hate speech?
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jimmysemens:
I must admit that I feel strangly satisfied that jimmysemens is upset and offended by this post.
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jimmysemens:
I'm never offended. Just repulsed and indignant. I despise everything you represent. No offense.
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Good question. If I were the writer of this post, I would take up some activism addressing your justified concern about properly remembering the genocides of people of other nations. Write letters, send proposals, try to raise money to start remembrance days or museums in honor of the other Holocausts that must be remembered equally in our hearts.
A little advice, though, to the writer of the article above - when you do participate in said activism, since your primary concern is the remembrance of the others who died in horrible genocides, I would be careful to steer clear of the wording used in this post. If someone didn't know better, they might think the person who wrote this post was implying that the only people who feel the need to remember the Third Reich’s horrific actions during WWI are Jews who live in Israel, or even surreptitiously blaming the Jews who live in Israel for the fact that there is a Holocaust Remembrance day. I know that I must be mistaken about this, though - because only a shitty human being or an anti-semite would think along those lines.
When discussing the topic of Israel in the future.... and attempting to connect it to the fact that we choose to have a Holocaust remembrance day in America, I hope the writer of this article is able to remember that MOST HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR FAMILIES ARE AMERICAN - if you ignore that fact, as the writer of this post did (ie – ”...we are almost forcibly reminded…” - who is "WE" in this scenario?) you might just get "misconstrued" as Anti-Semitic, or even Anti-American.
It does take a special breed of prejudice, however, to look at ALL Jews as “foreigners” – even the ones who have lived next door for generations. I have had met a few people who think this way.... it's very depressing to be reminded that some people really ARE that ignorant.
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History is written by the victor.
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thereisnochaos:
Who are the winners of history then?
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The Second Congo War, also known as Africa's World War and the Great War of Africa, began in August 1998
Congo genocide : 10 million dead and counting
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For the sake of humanity and for future generations, we have to remember that there were other genocides that could've been prevented if everyone just got along. We can't just sit another and pretend that the holocaust was the only tragedy to have struck mankind. For the sake for all the innocent people who were murdered because of their ethicity, we have to educate and remember.
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it is because the nazi regime had plans for world domination and came the closest to seeing it through in what we consider a modern time .they also had very specific plans to genocide and the will to carry it out .they were not just killing and taking land with out purpose
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Great article Maasanova!!
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Efforts by the Turkish government and its agents to quash mention of the genocide have resulted in numerous scholarly, diplomatic, political and legal controversies. Prosecutors acting on their own initiative have utilized Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code prohibiting "insulting Turkishness" to silence a number of prominent Turkish intellectuals who spoke of atrocities suffered by Armenians in the last days of the Ottoman Empire.[157] These prosecutions have often been accompanied by hate campaigns and threats, as was the case for Hrant Dink, the Turkish-Armenian intellectual murdered in 2007. The leading lawyer behind the prosecutions, Kemal Kerincsiz, is under investigation for complicity in the underground Ergenekon network.
In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation.[158] This charge was "categorically denied" by Turkey;[159] the Israeli Foreign Ministry supported Turkey in this protestation that there had been no threats against Jews, suggesting that its misgivings as to the genocide conference were based on considerations "vital to the Jewish nation".[160]
A 1989 U.S. Senate proposal to recognize the Armenian Genocide stoked the ire of Turkey. The proposal occurred in the context of the publication of internal U.S. documents which laid out a State Department official's eyewitness report that "thousands and thousands of Armenians, mostly innocent and helpless women and children, were butchered", in the last days of the Ottoman Empire.[161] Turkey responded by blocking United States Navy visits to Turkey and suspending some U.S. military training facilities on Turkish territory.[161] The American scholar who assembled the U.S. archive documents for publication went into hiding after a series of anonymous threats.[161]
In 1990, psychologist Robert Jay Lifton received a letter from the Turkish Ambassador to the United States, questioning his inclusion of references to the Armenian Genocide in one of his books. The ambassador inadvertently included a draft of the letter, presented by scholar Heath W. Lowry, advising the ambassador on how to prevent mention of the Armenian Genocide in scholarly works.[162] In 1996, Lowry was named to a chair at Princeton University that had been financed by the Turkish government, sparking a debate on ethics in scholarship.[163][164]
According to some newly discovered documents that belonged to the interior minister of the Ottoman Empire, over 970,000 Ottoman Armenians disappeared from official population records from 1915 through 1916. These documents have been published in a recent book titled The Remaining Documents of Talat Pasha written by the Turkish historian Murat Bardakçı (aka "Talat Pasha's Black Book"). The book is a collection of documents and records that once belonged to Mehmed Talat, known as Talat Pasha, the primary architect of the Armenian deportations. The documents were given to Mr. Bardakçi by Mr. Talat’s widow, Hayriye, in 1983. According to the documents, the number of Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire before 1915 stood at 1,256,000. The number plunged to 284,157 two years later in 1917.[165] - 2 years ago
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Here's a little something, to date, Turkey still denies the genocide of Armenians.
The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն, translit.: Hayoc’ C’eġaspanowt’yown; Turkish: Ermeni Soykırımı), also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, as the Great Calamity (Մեծ Եղեռն, Meç Eġeṙn, Armenian pronunciation: [mɛts jɛˈʁɛrn]), was the deliberate and systematic destruction (genocide) of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I.[1] It was characterised by the use of massacres, and the use of deportations involving forced marches under conditions designed to lead to the death of the deportees, with the total number of Armenian deaths generally held to have been between one and one-and-a-half million.[2][3][4] Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Empire during this period, including Assyrians and Greeks, and some scholars consider those events to be part of the same policy of extermination.[5]
It is widely acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides,[6][7][8] as many Western sources point to the systematic, organized manner in which the killings were carried out to eliminate the Armenians.[9] Indeed, the word genocide was coined in order to describe these events.[10]
The date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915, the day that Ottoman authorities arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. Thereafter, the Ottoman military uprooted Armenians from their homes and forced them to march for hundreds of miles, depriving them of food and water, to the desert of what is now Syria. Massacres were indiscriminate of age or gender, with rape and other sexual abuse commonplace. The Armenian Genocide is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust.[11]
The Republic of Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire, denies the word genocide is an accurate description of the events.[12] In recent years, it has faced repeated calls to accept the events as genocide. To date, twenty countries have officially recognized the events of the period as genocide, and most genocide scholars and historians accept this view.[13][14][15][16] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities were founded as a result of the Armenian genocide. - 2 years ago
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KSirys:
i heard of this but i thought it took place earlier but i had not done enough reading on it but i agree it was a genocide of horrible magnitude
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We've been actively doing nothing with many of the African genocides.
We didn't go into the Sudan - because it would roll the boat with the Chinese interests - What's up with that? - 2 years ago
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Actually, even in World War II, the Jews weren't the main victims. They were 50% of the mass genocides and the main target of Nazi extermination. But probably well over 20 million Russians died in that war, for some reason they aren't mentioned as often.
Hitler even outright said that no one cared about the Armenians so who would care about his genocide against the Jews? Like usual, he was wrong, but he was right about all of his other targets. Slavs and other Eastern Europeans, homosexuals, communists, political dissidents, intellectuals, no one remembers them.
And even through all of the horrors of the holocaust against the Jews, how could it compare to what happened in Sudan (women are frequently raped with knives) or in Cambodia? (the prisons were unbelievably awful)
I don't wish to belittle what happened to the Jews, it was one of the worst and fiercest crimes in history. But isn't it interesting that all of these other genocides, most of which are non-white, don't seem to phase people as much?
- 2 years ago
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Saladin
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calm_incense
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Saladin:
...because they died as combatants.
The Jews didn't exactly have their own army fighting the Nazis. -_-
- 2 years ago
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calm_incense
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Saladin
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Saladin:
Plenty of them did -not- die as combatants, and plenty of Jews fought back. Put up a good fight too.
And why would it matter? Are the deaths of 20 million people less relevant than a 1/3 of the number simply because they died in war rather than in slaughter?
And what of all the other victims of the Holocuast? Eastern Europeans in particular are practically forgotten. Holocaust museums only mention the deaths of the 6 million Jews and never the other 6 million that were killed.
- 2 years ago
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Saladin
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JonRaymond
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Saladin:
This is America. Holocaust and genocide = profit. And no one, but no one, fucks with our profit.
- 2 years ago
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JonRaymond
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Saladin:
According to Michael Berenbaum, author of "The World Must Know: The history of the Holocaust as told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum" he states that "From the time of the German invasions of the Soviet Union in June 1941 to the end of World War II in May 1945, between two and three million Soviet prisoners of war (POWs) died at the hands of the Germans as a result of mass executions, brutal mistreatment, intentional starvation, and lack of clothing or shelter." (p. 125)
The figure you came up with of 20 million Soviets refers to how many Soviets were killed IN TOTAL during the war, including combatants and civilians. About half of the total number of victims during the holocaust were Jewish. They were targeted early and were the main victims of the Nazis. Any historian can vouch for that. I wrote a paper on this very subject during college.
I do agree with you that we have seen many genocides, even very recent genocides, but they remain hushed topics. The Roma (gypsies) that Nazis targeted has been a very difficult subject to study because many of the surviving victims and family members just don't want to talk about, and as the event grows further and further away, we lose more and more sources about the subject.
- 2 years ago
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Saladin:
i have attended several event in remembrance of the holocaust and i have to tell you this is the closest i have come to getting emotional on this sight .i will tell you every one is remembered.IT IS FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SUFFERED THAT I REMEMBER
- 2 years ago
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sue4e3
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Saladin:
you have not read or seen enough if you have the nerve to say how can the holocaust compare. they smashed babies on moving trains ,they would tie a familys together and shoot the biggest one and throw the group in the closest body of water,and that is just a couple of things it just gos on and on.you can not imagine it
- 2 years ago
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sue4e3
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Saladin:
You need to know what you are dealing with on here. There are some very evil individuals commenting here who are beyond reason. They would gladly welcome another Holocaust of the Jews and egg Iran on in its intention to wipe out Israel.
- 2 years ago
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jimmysemens [removed]
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Saladin
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Saladin:
Uhh I can't think of ANYONE on this site who would want that.
The fact that you can't discuss this without calling me an advocate for genocide is a little disturbing.
@ sue, I don't really want to get into a pissing contest about who's Holocaust was worse. I was only pointing out that lots of equally evil shit in other genocides.
@ Jubie, yes, I'm well aware that my figure referred to total deaths and not simply deaths in the camps, but I find no dishonesty in that. Like I said earlier, what is the difference between people being put to slaughter or your being torn to pieces in your home by tanks, artillery, planes or even small-arms fire?
Do people that die in war not count? Only those killed away from the front?
- 2 years ago
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Saladin
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sue4e3
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Saladin:
everyone that dies counts
- 2 years ago
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sue4e3
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Saladin:
choirtramps23 i agree ther are other horrible genocides but in the original post by saladin he wrote how could the holocaust even compare to other said genocides and then proceeded to list a few instances of disgusting things that happened and i pointed out that the holocaust had no problem comparing
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sue4e3
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JonRaymond
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1.5 million dead Iraqi civilians at the hands of the U.S. military.
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JonRaymond
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keithponder
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Great post Mass
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feefer2010
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I think it may be due to The diary of Anne Frank being of of the most widely read books still being published, still victims of these other tragedys deserve to be honored and remembered as well.
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feefer2010
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feefer2010:
Better ban that book then.
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JonRaymond
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JonRaymond:
I don't think we should go as far as banning the book but we should definitly do more to educate people about the countless occourences of genocide before and after the holocaust
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feefer2010
