Anti-Israelism: Why Zionism Doesn’t and Can’t Get It

I am perfectly aware of what a Straw Man fallacy is - lower down, for some reason probably due to bugs in the new version of current, the "Straw Man fallacy" I posted in response to someone else appeared as a response to you. As for bowing to you, you can only hope - it will never happen, I do not bow down to any benzona.

. . . Walks_In_Storms has countered every bloviating prevarication you've peeled off and now you call him a son of a bitch (benzona)? . . my-my, becoming desperately shrill and crass are you?

As described by Wikipedia; -> Religion is often described as a communal system for the coherence of belief focusing on a system of thought, unseen being, person, or object, that is considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine, or of the highest truth. Moral codes, practices, values, institutions, tradition, rituals, and scriptures are often traditionally associated with the core belief, and these may have some overlap with concepts in secular philosophy. Religion is also often described as a "way of life" or a life stance.

In order to grasp the conceptual reality of an omnipresent yet unseen force, it is man who enslaves the mind with myths and bestows upon God the human frailties that plagues man.

God is, and man is, and how shall the twain meet?... Man, being mortal, attempting to fashion himself as a likeness of God, is still only man, and it is the fruit of his actions... which ordains the truth, and defines his "religion" and the measure of the moral clarity reflected by his faith through the actions of his life which he lives...

You are the best proof of that!

Islam is the "religion of peace?"... how can I say this gracefully?
Hmmm... seems that I can't... you are as full of s**t as a Christmas turkey.

Two books argue that repression, cruelty, and fear are central to Islam.
A God Who Hates: The Courageous Woman Who Inflamed the Muslim World Speaks Out Against the Evils of Islam, by Wafa Sultan (St. Martin’s, 256 pp., $24.99)

Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law, by Nonie Darwish (Thomas Nelson, 288 pp., $24.99)

A God Who Hates explores the nature of Islam, viewed through Wafa Sultan’s personal experiences growing up in Syria, working there as a doctor, and then immigrating to the United States, where she became a psychiatrist. Cruel and Usual Punishment, published early last year, is the second book by Nonie Darwish, the daughter of an Egyptian officer killed by the Israelis in the 1950s. Her first, Now They Call Me Infidel, offered extensive autobiographical detail; the more recent book is an in-depth probe of what she sees as key problematic aspects of Islam.

Both Sultan and Darwish document how traditional Islamic law, or sharia, underpins Islamic life. Darwish argues that under Islam’s golden period of conquest and imperial rule, sharia’s most important aspect was “total control of the large and diverse Muslim empire—everyone’s behavior, loyalty, mind and even soul.”

This system, Darwish writes, continues today in the tyrannical—and broadly accepted—behavior of most Muslim rulers. And the behavior cascades downward through Islamic society: those in positions of authority, whether in business or government, often act in repressive ways toward subordinates or the public at large.

For her part, Sultan emphasizes the fear inherent in Islam, where the Qur'an’s 99 attributes of God include “The Harmer,” “The Compeller,” “The Imperious,” “The Humiliator,” and “The Bringer of Death.”

The hatred of Jews is not peripheral or dependent on Israel or Israeli behavior. Rather, it is deeply rooted in Islam, which divides the world into two parts, Muslim and non-Muslim. As Sultan recalls from her own childhood: “Jew must be one of the words Muslim children hear most frequently before the age of ten. It is also one of the hardest words they hear, as in their imagination it conjures up visions of killing, depravity, lies, and corruption. When one person wishes to express his disdain for another, he will call him a Jew.”

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them.”

“Don’t even think for a second that the above verse does not cause a major divide between Muslims and non-Muslims. Those apologists who claim it has little effect on Muslim society are in denial and are unable to see Muslim society objectively.”

Excerpted from: http://www.city-journal.org/2010/bc0129ll.html

What a load of islamphobic lies! Now I see where you are coming from, and it is shameful to the extreme.

Obviously you have never read the Koran but are copy/pasting from mendacious extreme right-wing islamophobic websites. Neither have you read any of the history of the Arabs since Mohammed ...

Two profoundly biased and mendacious islamophobic books, obviously. If you read the Old Testament, you will see that the tenets of hatred and violent intolerance of anything and anyone non-Judaic abound in much greater quantities than the couple of anti-Jewish and anti-Christian ones in the Koran, and you ignore all the pro-Jewish and pro-Christian Suras in the Koran.

"The Arabic word used here for lie is makara, which literally means deceit." Note that this word is nowhere to be found in the Koran but only in the writings of a handful of Islamic extremists who have totally distorted Islam for their own personal ambitions and gains. Much as you have, for that matter.

Koran [2.122] O children of Israel, call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.

Koran [5.12] And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and assist them and offer to Allah a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds, and I will most certainly cause you to enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, but whoever disbelieves from among you after that, he indeed shall lose the right way.

Koran [5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

Koran [17.2] And We gave Musa the Book and made it a guidance to the children of Israel, saying: Do not take a protector besides Me;

Koran [20.80] O children of Israel! indeed We delivered you from your enemy, and We made a covenant with you on the blessed side of the mountain, and We sent to you the manna and the quails.

Koran [32.23] And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.

Koran [40.53] And certainly We gave Musa the guidance, and We made the children of Israel inherit the Book,

Koran [44.30] And certainly We delivered the children of Israel from the abasing chastisement,

Koran [45.16] And certainly We gave the Book and the wisdom and the prophecy to the children of Israel, and We gave them of the goodly things, and We made them excel the nations.

Koran [5.82] ...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

Koran [61.14] O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.

Etc., etc. You see, two can play your game. The difference being that you have not read the Koran in full but only excerpts posted on Islamophobic websites, whereas I have the Koran (I have had it for nearly 40 years, and have lived in Muslim countries too, which is why I can tell that you are largely ignorant about Islam and Muslims), have read all of it many times, and the same applies to the Old and New Testaments, the latter of which I have several different copies and versions.

Wrong - "The Imperious" and "The Humiliator" are *not* among the 99 names of God. If you had even just an iota of honesty, you would have quoted all 99 names.

First, violent Biblical passages are irrelevant to the question of whether Islam is violent.

Second, the violent passages in the Bible certainly do not amount to a standing order to commit violence against the rest of the world. Unlike the Qur'an, the Bible is a huge collection of documents written by different people at different times in different contexts, which allows for much greater interpretative freedom. The Qur'an, on the other hand, comes exclusively from one source: Muhammad.

It is through the life of Muhammad that the Qur'an must be understood, as the Qur'an itself says. His wars and killings both reflect and inform the meaning of the Qur'an. Furthermore, the strict literalism of the Q'uran means that there is no room for interpretation when it comes to its violent injunctions. As it is through the example of Christ, the "Prince of Peace," that Christianity interprets its scriptures, so it is through the example of the warlord and despot Muhammad that Muslims understand the Qur'an.

Every 12th verse of the Qur'an speaks of either earthly or divine punishment against unbelievers. Other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are less numerous than the later, more violent ones - which are believed to abrogate those that precede them.

The holiest book of Islam (61% of which is about non-Muslims) draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims and non-believers, lavishing praise on the former while condemning the latter. Far from teaching universal love, the Qur'an incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture. Naturally, the harsh treatment of non-believers by Muslims is encouraged as well.

Your ignorance of the Koran and Islam is deplorable. Furthermore, the Old Testament and the New Testament are claimed to be the Word of God, so your argument is moot.

You are so predictable, you'll do or say anything in order to protect your beloved adoration of Islam, tell us if you will, at what length should infidels go to appease Islam?.. Capitulation?.. and then subjugation?

I have no adoration whatsoever for any religion whatsoever. On the other hand, I abhor the lies that you and your ilk post about Islam and Muslims - I fight with equal determination all lies posted about any religion, for these lies which people like you post only fan the flames of irrational and dangerous hatred. A true friend does not condone nor support their friend's crimes and mistakes - a true friend exposes them so that their friend can correct them and change their behaviour. You are no friend to Israel because you condone and encourage Israel's crimes - you are a sycophant or someone with vested interests, at best.

Ah what a crock, but why burst your bubble?... after all, it is entertaining to observe such a self righteous gratuitous bloviating prevaricator in action.

where are you finding this information ahiguy? every 12th verse of the Qur'an speaks of what? Can you show me 36 lines of the Qur'an that follow this exact pattern? and you said it: "it is through the life of Prophet Muhammad that the Qur'an must be understood." It's recommended that even Muslims (well maybe only Sunni's) read the Qur'an coupled with the Tafsir of the Qur'an in order to understand the literalism of the word. The Tafsir is a collection of hadith or sayings of the Prophet normally said around the time a revelation was revealed but not exclusive to those instances, they provide much insight and really help with understanding things that are often controversial. and i love how you all missed the second word after "peace" and that's "justice", you guys can call me whatever you want but Islam is a religion of peace and JUSTICE. it's a religion that teaches you that if your life is being threatened you can fight back but it provides you with an etiquette in which to fight back, everything being hinged on a sense a justice. It's convenient that Christians forget about how relentless God can be in the Old Testament, because for Muslims the God of the Old Testament and Allah are one and the same, we don't try to conveniently forget that God can be harsh in his punishment by coupling Christ as the son of God and calling him the "Prince of Peace" (which i actually agree with, he was very much a Saint, just not God) which somehow counterbalances the divine justice of the Father which is sometimes outside the scope of human understanding. This has always been something that i have wondered because i am far from being the most knowledgeable person of Christianity but how does Christianity view killing when your life is actually being threatened? are you just supposed to roll over and die? How does God judge a situation like that? Although i am trying to make a point i'd actually like to know this answer. and you Ahiguy you mention the Holiest book of Islam? i think you mean Chapter or Volume but which one are you referring to exactly? You make alot of claims about the Qur'an but i don't see any evidence or actual references, could you please provide those? thanks. I wish i could find and cite more passages but i don't have a Qur'an on me and i don't like quoting online resources, the variation of a word can throw the meaning off completely, and citing the Qur'an without proper contextual understanding and reference can be even more damaging. Also, I'm not denying that the Prophet Muhammad had blood on his hands but so did many Prophets of Christianity, but comparing Prophet Isa (Jesus) and Muhammad is besides the point, they each had different roles to play but i feel as though we're all straying too far from the original topic. If we take God out of the equation, or even if we include Him, what is the justification for how Palestinians, that includes countless Christian arabs, are being oppressed?

Also, i think i saw someone cite the Palestinian Charter that vows to destroy Israel? please provide the verified evidence of that? could any of you imagine that it could possibly mean the destruction of the STATE, that means the Israeli government and constitution that systematizes oppression and hate for non-Jews? not necessarily killing Jews but the destruction of an unjust system?

m_izzo, I find your comment - "you guys can call me whatever you want but Islam is a religion of peace and JUSTICE. it's a religion that teaches you that if your life is being threatened you can fight back but it provides you with an etiquette in which to fight back, everything being hinged on a sense a justice." - to be either incredibly naive, or absolutely disingenuous at the very least.

Tell if you please, how you can compare the Bible to the Qur'an and then deny that Islam is not violent when it has continued to demonstrate that is throughout the ages?
Which as I've stated earlier, the violent passages in the Bible certainly do not amount to a standing order to commit violence against the rest of the world as does the Qur'an.

Then you go on to say: - "Islam does not have any tenets of hate for Jews or Israel or anything like that, Islam is, and has always been, a religion of peace and justice." - ... are you actually serious?
... Sadly it seems that you are as I've said earlier either not only incredibly naive, or absolutely disingenuous, but as it appears to me, painfully ignorant as well... Therefore I must conclude in light of all that has been presented throughout these threads that it would be futile to pursue further dialog with one such as you as nothing presented to the contrary to your point of view matters.

I don't believe a word you say - prove that you are qualified as an expert on Islam in court. Go ahead, I dare you.

With regard to self-righteous gratuitous bloviating prevaricator in action, you are the world champion!

Allah says no such thing in the Koran. Try again.

It is painfully obvious that you do not possess a copy of the Koran but simply copy/paste excerpts from your favourite Islamophobic websites! You don't fool anyone except perhaps the idiots and yourself.

"I have in mind some rather ungentlemanly fun." - I have no doubt about that - you don't have what it takes to be gentlemanly at all. Go ahead, be my guest, I dare you!

Teonen al tmuna shel kalba.

You conveniently omit to state the fact that the Palestinians did this in response to Israel's countless statments that it will anihilate Palestinians and rob all of their lands.

Oh, and since when can one write comments to people's profiles in their profiles?

And who was it who created and financed Hamas in the first place? Why, Israel, of course!

"Which, if I continue here, makes me a jackass." What a copout!

Too late - you have amply demonstrated in a great many comments (not just in this thread but in a great many threads), that you have been one for many decades.

It happened each time you posted a response anywhere on Current, whatever the subject matter.

You delude yourself.

"That question has to do with the indisputable fact - that of publicized Palestinian and Arab law - that most Arabs, and all muslims including those who call themselves "Palastinian" (one might research that word in order to learn significant truth) are sworn and committed by their religion and cultural creeds to annihilate Israel (and kill anyone who is a Jew)."

That is absolute and total bullshit.

The difference between you and me is that you defend the bullies and blame the victims, whereas I stand for justice - a concept obviously totally foreign to you.

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)

28. "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Absolute nonsense.

Hah! Remind us what the "consider the source" fallacy is called!

I have no hatred, and you know it - furthermore, you are wrong, and you know it.

Walks the burden is on you to demonstrate the context. Otherwise you are just talking out of your orifice.

You accused Vierotchka of taking comments out of context, I was challenging you to provide us with the context that you are referring to. What was the real meaning according to your POV?

You wrote, in your response above - "As to "nonsense," you could, or course, provide some proof that doesn't come from the same hate-driven sources as the rest of what you've published here."

This was an Ad hominem circumstantial fallacy, the fallacy of origin, the killing the messenger fallacy. That you didn't know this shows how very limited your knowledge and understanding of logical fallacies actually are.

If you truly hate terrorism, you must also hate the US government and the Israeli government - the two greatest terrorists in the world.

Well, after having been slaughtered, raped, robbed, tortured etc., for over 60 years by Israel, such words are understandable. Your words about Islam and Muslims are far worse than that, too, but you and your people haven't been mistreated by Muslims the way Palestinians have been abused by Israelis, so you have no excuse whatsoever for your hate speech against Muslims.

"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French."
(Mahatma Gandhi, 26 November 1938)

" We must define our position and lay down basic principles for a settlement. Our demands should be moderate and balanced, and appear to be reasonable. But in fact they must involve such conditions as to ensure that the enemy rejects them. Then we should manoeuvre and allow him to define his own position, and reject a settlement on the basis of a compromise position. We should then publish his demands as embodying unreasonable extremism."
(Yehoshafat Harkabi, 2 November 1973)

"We have not been seeking peace for twenty-five years -- all declarations to that effect have been no more than coloured statements or deliberate lies. There is of course no assurance that we could have made peace with the Arabs if we had wanted to. However, it has to be heavily emphasized that we have not only made no attempts to seek peace, but have deliberately and with premeditation, sabotaged every possibility of doing so."
(Yeshayahu Leibowitz, 30 November 1973)

Well, after having been slaughtered, raped, robbed, tortured etc. for well nigh onto 14 + centuries by Islam, I suppose the Zionist Jews are more than just a little bit pissed.
The Israelis would like nothing more than peace, yet they know they must be prepared to defend themselves to have it.
It is the Palestinians who don't want peace, and their charter clearly expresses that fact.

The conflict in Gaza is not about rockets in Beersheba or a humanitarian crisis in Khan Yunis, or about killing civilians in a mosque, or Hamas use of human shields. It is about destroying a racist, genocidal group before it destroys everyone else.

Former Hamas leader Nizar Rayan said: . "The Jews must be exterminated. God's word declared it must be so." This is the cleaned up version of the Hamas philosophy, delivered to a Jewish interviewer. Rayan also explained the strategy behind the Hamas Hudna offer, so beloved of certain "analysts":

"The only reason to have a hudna is to prepare yourself for the final battle. We don't need 50 years to prepare ourselves for the final battle with Israel...Israel is an impossibility. It is an offense against God."

Rayan's views are not those of a tiny minority in Gaza. A sympathetic obituary published in the Guardian (see guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/03/obituary-nizar-rayan-hamas) noted that Rayan is a "Senior Hamas leader and cleric [who was] considered a hero on the streets of Gaza." Rayan was doing no more than explaining the program of the Hamas and giving its views of the Jewish people, which are all declared in the Hamas charter

The essential point about the Gaza conflict then, is not proportionality, or rockets hitting Gedera, or a humanitarian crisis in Khan Yunis, or civilian casualties. There is only one real issue: a racist, genocidal group of religious fanatics want to take over the Middle East and must be stopped at all costs. This plain fact is not well understood it seems.

It was necessary to explain to EU leaders, intent on imposing a truce in Gaza, that Hamas must not be allowed to win in Gaza.. Today Gaza. Tomorrow the whole Middle East. Perhaps one day, that will be understood.

"Well, after having been slaughtered, raped, robbed, tortured etc. for well nigh onto 14 + centuries by Islam, I suppose the Zionist Jews are more than just a little bit pissed."

Firstly, that never happened - Jews and Moslems lived in good harmony together. Secondly, Zionism never was about fighting Islam per se, and Zionism was created only a bit over 100 years ago. I love the way you display your ignorance!

Well, it is obvious that you think that the Palestinians should lie down and allow themselves to be slaughtered and robbed without complaining...

No, I have no other handle than my name Vierotchka, which is not a sobriquet. As for the alleged logical fallacies, posting quotes in response to quotes does not constitute making logical fallacies.

Do you have any clue what you are talking about? Jews and Moslems lived side by side for the majority of history. Ignorant aren't we

Wrong, I never made any such statement, quite the contrary.

Your apologist denials speaks volumes of your intent to denigrate the Israeli's in any measure possible...and begs the question, what's your stake in this call to exonerate the Palestinians and absolve them from their own complicity in their
miserable existence?

The Palestinians have no such weapons that can vaporize human life. That is a lie.

That Arabs and Jews have lived side by side for centuries is not the issue here. . . it is Islams declared desire and linear purpose to perpetuate homicidal genocide towards the Jews (justified by Allah, if they so desire) which is the enigma, and to deny it is not so, imho is evidence of abysmal ignorance.

What a load of codswallop!

Either you are being deliberately disingenuous or you have a severe reading comprehension problem.

Oh so now your saying that they are allowed to be violent. Like ten arguments ago they werent violent. Contradiction anyone?

I am glad to see that you find Israeli evil repugnant!

Straw Man Fallacy.

Interesting to see that you are repugnant to yourself...

Then how do you explain the hundreds of ancient Palestinian towns and villages which the Israelis destroyed? You are posting a lot of highly biased disinformation.

It is Zionism which is sworn and swears to annihilate the Palestinians, don't forget that.

Either you lie or are totally ignorant.

Walks you are guilty of the very same thing, calling people by a hated name. Zionism is the correct word, because it distinguishes those who follow it from the real Jewish people who practice and want peace.

Since when is truth an insult, except to the guilty?

Theodore Herzl happens to be the man who created Zionism - so, you consider him to be a nut-case? In which case, you can only consider Zionism to be nuts too.