Prayer Breakfast politics: Obama, Clinton, condemn homophobia

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From Think Progressive:
– CLINTON: And I recently called President Museveni, whom I have known through the Prayer Breakfast, and expressed the strongest concerns about a law being considered in the parliament of Uganda.
– OBAMA: We may disagree about gay marriage, but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are, whether it’s here in the United States or as Hillary mentioned, more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed most recently in Uganda.
http://www.examiner.com/x-4383-Portland-Progressive-Examiner~y2010m2d4-Prayer-Br...
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IronLionZion
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I fully agree with H3ADLINE, it seems like christians act like theyre crying out for morality, when all you care about is sin. You completely ignore ACTUAL human suffering and when its shoved in your face you basically say they had it coming because of their immoral gay lifestyle..pathetic, and might i say evil.
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IronLionZion
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ryan8566
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yeah. the old saying 'i should have a dime for everyone who condemnded...'
But what are you going to do about it? When?? - 2 years ago
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ryan8566
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ibrake4rappers13
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Obama says he's a christian yet his recent move to change the "dont ask dont tell" policy, has lead me to believe that he was just using christianity as a political tool to get him elected.
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ibrake4rappers13
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H3ADLINE
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ibrake4rappers13:
Most Christians support overturning DODT. I guess they're all just lying about their affiliation to be confusing? I think you're conflating a particular belief about homosexuality and the role of religion in government with the entirety of Christian identity. It would be more accurate and useful to argue a specific point than casting unmerited suspicion on someone's professed beliefs.
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H3ADLINE
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ibrake4rappers13:
Who gives a fuck what religion you are (if any). People are too caught up with what you believe in. Thou shalt not judge... right?
and whatever happened to separation of church and state!
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voyd21
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ibrake4rappers13
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I wish he would point at the immorality of Homosexuality at this event. Especially since it was a prayer breakfast.
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ibrake4rappers13
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bluestranger
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C'mon man! Leave the theological debate to the various shamans.
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bluestranger
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ChunkyCheezes [removed]
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Rightfully so. Its about time for a Presidential Condemnation
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H3ADLINE
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Another example of how tribal superstitions impede real morality. The delusional frauds who decry immorality are typically it's biggest proponents. Morality and bigotry are incompatible, and it's good to see someone like Obama point that out.
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H3ADLINE
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ibrake4rappers13
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H3ADLINE:
Wow your just throwing the word morality around, how do you even define it?
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ibrake4rappers13
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H3ADLINE
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ibrake4rappers13:
Morality exists as a mechanism to facilitate the survival, cohesion and cooperation of human beings. Any effective definition of morality should support those goals and encompass a few basic premises. The first is that all human life has inherent value. I have no more right to existence or wellbeing than you. The second is that we should avoid harm to ourselves and others. The pursuit of our own life should be conducted with regard to that of others and their wellbeing. The third premise would be to actively seek the betterment of the human condition. This would require both an active improvement for all humanity and the active opposition to its degradation. This is by no means a perfect list of the components of morality, but I think it illustrates the basic outline well enough for the purpose of your question. I'm curious how you would define morality.
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H3ADLINE
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ibrake4rappers13
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H3ADLINE:
the ten commandments is how i define morality
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ibrake4rappers13
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ibrake4rappers13:
The 'ten commandments' are hardly and exhaustive list of moral situations. There's no prohibition against rape, incest, or pedophilia (or homosexuality, for that matter. curious, given your opposition). I would caution against tying your moral judgement to a short list of do's and don'ts. Morality is bigger than that, and distilling the power and complexity of morality to a list strikes me as both simplistic and missing the point of morality to begin with. If you cannot identify guiding principles behind your moral list, then anything not on it will be an unknown to you.
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ibrake4rappers13
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H3ADLINE:
"Honor your father and your mother"
"You shall not murder."
"You shall not commit adultery."
(you have heard the commandment that says, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.)
"You shall not steal."
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house."
Yeah that pretty much covers it, and i know your conscience attests to them.
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ibrake4rappers13
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ibrake4rappers13:
incest and pedophilia are relative to the country in which you live in. for example, in mexico the age of consent is 15.
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ibrake4rappers13
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ibrake4rappers13:
The list still does not cover rape, pedophilia (sex with prepubescent children, not teenagers), cannibalism, slavery (which the bible condones many times), incest (sex with immediate family) or many other things that are clearly wrong. If you get your morality from that list of ten stipulations, are the things listed above morally acceptable to you? And if not, why not? Clearly there must be more to your moral compass than "I read it in a book."
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