Aquaponics, hydroponics, aeroponics are the artificial womb for our food.

To Ricky84:
We only have a vague idea of what really happens in the soil meaning we can't arrogantly dismiss it as a growing medium like any other.
That was my point and an obvious one from reading my post.
Period.
And then you say I didn't necessarily mean to apply your logic to... but YOU DID and went on throwing stories at me about dinosaurs and now the Irish Elk.

Honestly, is this what you do?
Do you manipulate and put down everything someone says just to provoke them?

You never answered any of my questions, never offered a relevant opinion, never validated what you said , and I am supposed to take you seriously?
Not a bit. This is just a downer sarcastic attitude.

You think that organic and chemical fertilizers are the same and perform the same way as told me in the previous post. Shocking!

Bottom line when confronted with the reality of these organic and sustainable farms you suddenly run away, you ignore it and make a joke about flowers and guns.
No offense meant but you made me laugh.

Go out there and see it for your self. Get real.

To Ricky84:
"Following your logic we should denounce doctors and dentists..."
What made you think I wanted to apply this logic to all these fields?

"Nature did not calculate anything..." "Additionally natural does not necessarily mean right or just or sacred or perfect..."
What makes you think that Nature is not a result of millions of years of trial and error?
I never said that everything that is natural is sacred and or perfect. Indeed everything has a reason to exist and in a specific way.

I never said "we lack the tools to adequately judge the effects of soil on food" It's that we don't have a full picture of what happens in the soil to arrogantly dismiss it as a growing medium like any other.

You said: "Insects and earthworms... Neither is dependent on our farming practices to survive"
If you are referring to our conventional agriculture then you are correct.
But I was obviously referring to Organic practices and principles of biodiversity.

You said that's "insanely utopic ...Food production by commercial or organic methods has not reached a point where we can feed the entire world population"

They did reach it. You are obviously unaware of small successful farms that have shown to be more profitable, produce more and work less, all of it adopting organic practices and beyond.
This was also mentioned to you before in a message and links were provided.
The reason why we don't adopt such agriculture system lies in our corrupted politic and economy, you are well aware of it and do not know why you play naive.
After all this you actually haven't said anything about aquaponics, hydroponics, aeroponics.
Are there any studies proving the nutritional efficiency of food grown with these methods?
If any, show me and what do you believe?
Have you ever eaten hydroponic food?
Do you think it can be sustainable?
What about conventional agriculture?
Do you think it is sustainable?
What do you think about the chemicals used in our food crops?
Do you think that soil less culture is the way to go?
I would be glad to hear an opinion.
Thanks

Where's the news?

Hey look it's an opinion piece on the news page. Ok I'll bite.

“The more we manipulate the less close we are to what Nature intended.”

Humans live in an environment that is insanely different from what we were originally born into and for the most part we are thankful for the change, organic proponents included. The idea that this one unnatural process is sacrilege in the face of all the other unnatural things we do sounds incredibly hypocritical. Following your logic we should denounce doctors and dentists, artificial structures and transportation, advanced forms of energy production outside our own digestive abilities and all the tools that exist through “unnatural energy production.”

“If inversion takes place then we are taking away what Nature has calculated for millions and millions of years.”

Nature did not calculate anything. If anything evolution as shown that intelligent design is the LEAST LIKELY cause of life and it’s various forms. Additionally natural does not necessarily mean right or just or sacred or perfect. The dinosaurs were natural and those bastards were wiped out en masse.

Here’s a fun fact; 97% of the species to ever exist on earth are now extinct. Therefore worshipping nature as divine entity and adhering to it’s sacred commandments requires a knowledgeable individual to accept that only 3% of the faithful will ever live in gods' good grace. And goods good grace by human standards equals a life expectancy rate in the thirties and an infant mortality rate well in excess of even the worst countries in the 21st century.

“We only have a vague idea of what really happens in the soil.”

If we lack the tools to adequately judge the effects of soil on food than how can you judge whether or not hydroponics is bad while at the same time supporting the artificial environment of a human produced farm (commercial or organic) as “natural?”

“Not only that but you are taking away the beautiful and useful function that earthworms provide to the plants along with all other helpful insects”

Insects and earthworms had loads to do long before humans ever appeared on the map. Neither is dependent on our farming practices to survive. On top of that the current farming practices by no means create a naturally occurring environment. If that was the case we wouldn’t grow food we would simply harvest it from all the “naturally occurring farms.”

“Many successful farms adopt practices that go beyond the organic realm and have shown that their model can feed the world in a sustainable and ecological manner.
No need for this artificial shortcut.”

That’s insanely utopian and I would bet you dollars to donuts that many organic farmers would even disagree with you on that point. Food production by commercial or organic methods has not reached a point where we can feed the entire world population because the issue is so complex that it cannot be reduced to such simple requirements as skill an ability.

I agree... to a certain extent. These types of crops can be very helpful in places with poor soil or in the future on spaceships.

Very strong argument. I don't believe I've ever had food grown through these methods, so I can't argue on how similar or dissimilar they are, but the reduction of natural processes to their base chemicals does not seem like a positive step. I would support labeling such foods as '-ponic' in order to hopefully inform viewers of their lack of chemicals and genetic sanctity, but that should be enough.

if you replaced foo with wee...

Welcome! :D

I stumbled across this article online and had never even heard of the method before. I wanted to know what the masters of green thought so I thought I'd post it. Love to hear opinions.