The New Math on Campus with a student body that is nearly 60 percent female.
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html?pagewanted=all
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In terms of academic advancement, this is hardly the worst news for women — hoist a mug for female achievement. And certainly, women are primarily in college not because they are looking for men, but because they want to earn a degree.
But surrounded by so many other successful women, they often find it harder than expected to find a date on a Friday night.
These sorts of romantic complications are hardly confined to North Carolina, an academically rigorous school where most students spend more time studying than socializing. The gender imbalance is also pronounced at some private colleges, such as New York University and Lewis & Clark in Portland, Ore., and large public universities in states like California, Florida and Georgia. The College of Charleston, a public liberal arts college in South Carolina, is 66 percent female. Some women at the University of Vermont, with an undergraduate body that is 55 percent female, sardonically refer to their college town, Burlington, as “Girlington.”
Leaving aside complaints about “affirmative action for boys,” less attention has been focused on the social ramifications.
“I was talking to a friend at a bar, and this girl just came up out of nowhere, grabbed him by the wrist, spun him around and took him out to the dance floor and started grinding,” said Kelly Lynch, a junior at North Carolina, recalling a recent experience.
Students interviewed here said they believed their mating rituals reflected those of college students anywhere. But many of them — men and women alike — said that the lopsided population tends to skew behavior.
“A lot of my friends will meet someone and go home for the night and just hope for the best the next morning,” Ms. Lynch said. “They’ll text them and say: ‘I had a great time. Want to hang out next week?’ And they don’t respond.”
Even worse, “Girls feel pressured to do more than they’re comfortable with, to lock it down,” Ms. Lynch said.
Faculty members and administrators are well aware of the situation. Stephen M. Farmer, North Carolina’s director of admissions, said that the university has a high female presence in part because it does not have an engineering school, which at most schools tend to be heavily male. Also, he said, more young men than women in the state opt to enter the military or the work force directly out of high school.
And the university feels obligated to admit the most qualified applicants, regardless of gender, Mr. Farmer said. “I wouldn’t want any young woman here to think that there’s somebody we’d rather have here than her,” he said.
Women on gender-imbalanced campuses are paying a social price for success and, to a degree, are being victimized by men precisely because they have outperformed them, Professor Campbell said. In this way, some colleges mirror retirement communities, where women often find that the reward for outliving their husbands is competing with other widows for the attentions of the few surviving bachelors.
The loneliness can be made all the more bitter by the knowledge that it wasn’t always this way.
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JohnA
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Isn't that way at Ole Miss, and there are more women than men. Sounds like a personal problem, self esteem, all that, you know.
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JohnA
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The_Mezzotint
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Man, I wish that was the case at my school. I'm at a tech school for heavy duty diesel mechanics and the ratio is about 99 to 1. (Its not that surprising though)
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The_Mezzotint
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ryan8566
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The_Mezzotint:
99-1, what ratio by gender?
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ryan8566
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The_Mezzotint
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ryan8566:
99 men to every 1 woman
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The_Mezzotint
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pukemnukem
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As already commented, the bigger question is why is there such a disparity between academic fields. Engineering, Mathematics, and Physics remain to this day a predominately male field. In Engineering, this is a huge problem for the field as it basically limits us to 50% of the potential engineers needed.
The bigger issue is that girls out perform boys in both math and science, across social and economic backgrounds, until they hit puberty. Its quite a clear picture of social pressures placed onto women to conform to societal norms.
Add in that many schools are basically handing out useless degrees (American Studies, Communications, etc) and this leads to a glut of graduates with no real post college job opportunities.
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pukemnukem
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regjoeschmo
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pukemnukem:
actually current dept of education statistics have the girls excelling in academics and the boys getting worse grades/more likely to drop out...... of course there would be more women in college if less boys make it through high school let alone get the grades sufficient enough to get into some of these colleges....
the disparities are more of a personal choice. like it or not we are different in certain manners, and there is inherent programming passed on through genes and/or general behaviors of society (look into evolutionary psychology).
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regjoeschmo
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jaystyx
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I go to a large state school where the enrollment is still skewed towards males. I can’t say that I would complain if it was the opposite way around though. That being the case, it still seems like hot young girls are everywhere here and no guy should have any problem meeting someone.
This article has definitely got me thinking about new criteria for picking a grad school.
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jaystyx
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ryan8566
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jaystyx:
But as we all attend college to achieve the best, highest education possible, gender-ratio, partying, hot young girls (guys), pot, etc. has no bearing on our hard working studies, right,? oh...wait...sorry...wrong post.
P.S. a cool girl/guy should have no problem meeting whomever, even if off campus. - 2 years ago
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ryan8566
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outtheinside
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not finding a problem here.. can we talk grad school chicks now or what??
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outtheinside
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ChunkyCheezes [removed]
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I went Vassar college, where female to male ratio is higher than 60-40%. It was the best two 1/2 years of my life!. I averaged about 12 girls a semester, and my numbers were on the low end compared to my friends. The funny thing is, you didn’t even need to try. All you had to do was to go to a party and get wasted. There was always groups of drunk aggressive girls trying to out do each other to get your attention.
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Elligirl
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60% is not a large majority. Interesting article, but it's treating the dating scene at universities like a problematic issue, which is absurd. College folks have sex. That's what they *do.* The fact that the poor men are being hungered after by the women is hardly a case of victimisation.
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Elligirl
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tome_erau
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I go to an enginneering college and its still only has a 10% female population so I can't relate to this at all.
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cairiebird
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there are apparently no gays lesbians bisexuals or transgenders at universities.
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ahappymintleaf
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cairiebird:
Well yeah. The dating pool at college and university for such sexual minorities are so small that no one really bothers to look. After a year and a half I'm ready to go primarily off-campus.
I went to a high school that was 70% female and I know exactly what this article is discussing. On two different occasions sets of three girls were vying for my attention. Which is actually quite mild to other things that have happened. My experience has shown me it's more of a cultural problem than a "natural" one, as women are still expected to get into committed relationships in order to guarantee their happiness and security, while most males at the same age are much less serious. If culture didn't dictate that it was normal for girls to required a relationship, it would be much less of a problem.
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ahappymintleaf
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ryan8566
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cairiebird:
that you are aware of, right? trust me, they are there.
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ryan8566
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realfran
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I have an engineering degree, my class ratio was 9 male to 1 female, i could tell it was difficult for some boys to meet girls but just because they were already awkward towards women, i guess i had the upper hand but i never use somebody the way this article portrays the way guys interact with woman.
Its hard to watch the level of desperation the article shows I don’t think its THAT bad, is it?
I mean, to make infidelity part of the equation… - 2 years ago
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Chapisbored
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i go to a film school that is mostly guys.
i chose the wrong god damn school.
:p
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ryan8566
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Chapisbored:
would you tell me where that is? thanks.
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ryan8566
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Marie1
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I graduated a year ago and can tell you that my campus was heavily skewed towards women. It does make dating difficult with so many women to choose from. The smarter the guy, the more chicks he had following him around.
Sure, there are plenty of women who are going to school to get a degree, but some are also looking to come out with a MRS as well. That mentality hasn't died yet.
As for improving male enrollment?
Once universities start to "play up" these stats to high school males, I give it another four years until our colleges are a sausage fests. :) - 2 years ago
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Marie1
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MotherForTruth
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This article brings out many issues. As a parent it is very sad to see male students join military or work force instead of higher education. The rate of boys drop out is higher than girls, and the rate of college enrolment is lower then girls yet all girl's charter schools are promoted, and much of federal programs are available for girls only. The education department must not be reading the statistics!
It is also very sad that complaints about “affirmative action for boys,” are not as important as the focus on the social ramifications. What does that tell us? That it's ok that our sons go to war or work force, but we should focus on social ramifications for female students?
And what about Mr. Farmer who said. “I wouldn’t want any young woman here to think that there’s somebody we’d rather have here than her"?
And lastly, females are aggressive to gain a boyfriend but god forbid she later will decide she really did not like sex and claims rape...
OK, it's time to start addressing these issues one at the time. Got to go and work on it.
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MotherForTruth
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regjoeschmo
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Isnt this a good thing?? Why is it being spun as a bad thing?? It seems more to me that there is a bit more competition in an atmosphere where there are such proportions....... kinda like the opposite of a "sausage party". We are but human, and strive for affection and connection. I doubt that more women in college is really a bad thing in general......
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regjoeschmo
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Mariased
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The ratio of females to males at my school is seven to one ( I go to a state school) so this isn't really that surprising.
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brunsbuilt
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Mariased:
What school is that?
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brunsbuilt
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brunsbuilt:
University of Maine Farmington
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Mariased:
Lol. I think universities should use their gender ratio imbalances as marketing tools to get men to go these colleges. After reading this article and lifestyle that these men live in colleges were the ratio is 6-4 females to males it makes me want to go to one of these schools.
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Dagum
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Dagum
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the only thing more disproportionate than the college student body ratio of males to females, is the number of males to females who actually get a diploma in four years.
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Dagum
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2hellnwait
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My, how the pendulum of time changes events. . .
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2hellnwait
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Mike_Murphy
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Even when they win the victim feminists find a way to be victims. Can you believe this "Women on gender-imbalanced campuses are paying a social price for success and, to a degree, are being victimized by men precisely because they have outperformed them, Professor Campbell said."
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Mike_Murphy
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pvelectric
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Mike_Murphy:
The two biggest problems facing the world are: first, worldwide shortages of fuels, natural resources, food, etc.; second, an inability on the part of world leaders to take the needed steps to better distribute the monetary wealth of nations.
For example an evidently besieged-feeling man named Larry Summers, when he was the chancellor for Harvard, after firing professor Cornell West for having the temerity to criticise former at-the-time appointed by the "Supreme" court president G. W. Bush, commented that females are born inferior to men in lacking innately math skills.
The astute Summers finally was booted out of his position by foes at Harvard, but was of course immediately rewarded by the good-old-boys network of the on-highs, and made the top economic advisor to President Obama.
Now Summers is I suppose doing all he can to rid the government of all the females who might consider him an educated fool when it comes to math, as in giving away trillions of dollars to people who already have so much cash they can't figure out how to spend it.
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