Community | February 10, 2010 | 23 comments

YouTube - Earth Report - Gas Gas Gas - Biogas

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Does China have a green edge over the U.S. ?
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23 comments // YouTube - Earth Report - Gas Gas Gas - Biogas // Video

  • treewolf39
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • treewolf39:

      When i think of it , i am thinking of HUMAN waste . Which we have plenty more of , and is dumped into the environment . ALL this waste , is pollution , IF we do not use it . So there are two issues that are eased here . I agree animal abuse is wrong , and do my best NOT to contribute to it . That is an important issue . Still all this , is unused energy potential . IF we used it for energy , that would be , that much LESS pollution of our environment AND that much Less energy from coal oil or nuclear . It is at once , less waste and more energy . Twi issues that need fixing . The animal abuse one exists also . Right now , i am thinkin' of the energy /waste issue .

    • 11 months ago
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • artemis6:

      Oh human waste huh? Now your talking! I would love to see methane digester's used instead of sewer treatment plants. Hell that is again localized energy. The video makes me sad because I live around cows and goats and they are treated fairly well; even the ones used for meat. Our feed lot style beef production came to mind and I just want to retch. Capitalism overall sucks for animals.

    • 11 months ago
  • artemis6
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    • treewolf39:

      Watch the videos , then ! In one a home in china can suppy its fuel needs for cooking , in another a rice wine plant powers a generator for its energy ..... wait , this post used to be longer , well the articles explain .

    • 11 months ago
  • treewolf39
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    • artemis6:

      I like the idea of home digester's . If I ever get to build my own place I am totally going that route. The wine plant is the one that bothers me. I am sure it could be done humanely but not with current American consciousness. I have Vegan tendencies.

      I lived for three years off the grid with a small dam, 200 ft drop and a brass turbine waterwheel connected to an industrial alternator, hooked to a set of deep cell batteries, backed by a small grid of older solar panels. We ran the dryer off of propane along with the water-heater preheated from the wood stove. The washer machine was the worst energy hog. Six teens and four adults managed to have all the power we needed with conscious conservation. This is a wasteful society, and until we change that, NOTHING will be enough.

    • 11 months ago
  • artemis6
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    • treewolf39:

      So you know the tern "radical conservation " . Good ; ) I think home bio digesters and community bio digesters will be an important piece of the new energy mosaic . What frustrates to me is , there are not enough examples of ways to bring it all together , like i think it needs to be . For instance community gardens would benefit by being near a community bathhouse , for intelligent water use .....

    • 11 months ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • If you have a concentrated source of waste---such as a hundred cows or pigs in a confined space-- this does make sense, and has worked for farmers doing that. It's been well-known and used on some farms for decades in the US.
      The infrastructure and labor costs of making it at an economically feasible alternative are not cheap here so you need to be very clear about the conditions and the math supporting it.
      I've thought about using algae as source, but then again, in our culture, you'd have to fuel consumptive machines to harvest the algae and to fill the bio-gas tanks. To make that work economically you do need a certain amount of scale--a village at least would probably be feasible.
      There are nearly endless sources of fuel about in every environmental niche but you have to fully understand the costs, the processes and the limitations.

    • 11 months ago
  • artemis6
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    • ampersand:

      It is true , the start up cost , is prohibitive to many . In order to protect the environment , i thing it would be a win to aid people in the start of it . It would help the struggling farmers with long term energy costs too .

    • 11 months ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • I know this is a repost from one year ago . It is an important part of the energy mosaic and deserves a place in the dialogue . Thanks for you patience if you saw this before , if you didn't , what say you ?

    • 11 months ago
  • artemis6
  • twohawks
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      twohawks  
    • Will pay off $162,000 investment within 2 years, and enjoying off-grid power, cleaning up the pollution from industry, putting clean power back onto the grid for the community, creating employment ...damn cool.

    • 1 year ago
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  • Nancyf
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      Nancyf  
    • It really sounds like a good idea. But I confess there are some farmers that were pretty mad at me in Neb when I lived there. When the news came out about the posionous chemicals like the pesticides banned, I was screaming about them using it and they were po'd! Believe me, living there is too close to people po'd. Now one of Okla. Senators Tom Coburn, is not only a Senator but a DOCTOR and he supports the poison pesticides! Nothing but a killer I can see. Too many evil and corrupt people have slid into positions that gives them the power to hurt people. Don't know what's gonna happen, but it will be satisfaction when some of the hurt they spread around will come back to them! Karma, and reaping what they sowed. Agrees with many religions....:))

    • 2 years ago
  • treewolf39
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • Actually , a friend of mine wants to do it . They clean out septic tanks . They need 3000 bucks in permits , just to get started . That is beyond building a facility and purchasing land .... This concept is also problematic for the powers that want a centrally controlled energy grid , as opposed to a locally controlled one . If every community had systems like this (national lab in Richland Wa stats recommended we could produce 15% of our energy needs in the pacific northwest ) -- think of the bargaining power the local communities would have . No more price gouging the public ! Add that 15% with a conservative 5% for solar alone 20% energy autonomy . The silence about this , is deafening .

    • 2 years ago
  • Nancyf
  • sirpaulmcdarkney
  • Progresshiv
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • Progresshiv:

      And it would give energy independents FROM the power companies them selves . This is why there is no talk of doing it . The power industry does not want you to have , and USE , your own shit . How can they make money from that ? How would they maintain political influence ? So , it will have to be done small scale , one person at a time . We are held hostage by the corporate world every day . Every time you cook a meal , go to a bank or take the bus . If we can take back our power , we can get our nation back too .

    • 1 year ago
  • artemis6
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    • http://www.drylandfarming.org/FB/Biogas4.html Back yard bio gas in China using pig and human excreta , mixed with vegetables wastes such as straw or plant stalks in anaerobic ( no oxygen ) fermentation , can not only supply the daily household's fuel needs , but also supply's a superior organic fertilizer . One other extraordinary aspect of biogas is it's contribution to environmental sanitation and pollution control . During the fermentation process intestinal parasites --- like tapeworm , hookworm , amoeba --- enteric bacteria , dysentery and paratyphoid bacilli are destroyed . This means the latrines are non polluting and the clean fertilizer is going back to the soil .

    • 2 years ago
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