Biden says Cheney is misinformed or misleading

But which is which?

so true. so very true. To hell with them both

Well you certainly got the Darth Cheney part right. Cheny's arguments are coming from little more than the fact that he has finally realized how badly he has pissed off the American public, and this is just another ass-covering technique on his part. He is still out there trying to justify torture in response to an event that a growing portion of the American public is less and less certain his administration wasn't instrumental in orchestrating. There is little I would not put past this man, including orchestrating another catastrophic event just to prove to everyone that he is right...sociopath in sheep's clothing. NEVER to be trusted.

Nobody can make Palin look smart. Only people dumber than her could think she's smart.

Well at least he shows up to a debate on time.

I can count on one hand the politicians I would trust, but as far as Biden's comments on being a Zionist, I think it may escape him that this is not a reciprocal relationship with Israel, they are not equally committed to the well-being of the US. We are useful to them, but that is only because we have such a large population of American Jews.

Culturally, however, Biden is correct. We do share values and traditions with Israel much moreso than with any other nation in the Middle East.

That large population of American Jews, however, largely neither support Israel's policies nor are they politically conservative nor do they traditionally vote GOP.

so it doesnt seem to bother you that the VP of this country openly admits to being a zionist????

Thats sad.

OVERTHROW OUR ZIONIST OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT

fuck the zog

speak for yourself. I want nothing to do with israel or its terrorist ways and the killing of innocent women and children.

Are you high?

BC Bud

I think you've made your point, jackass. you can give it a rest now, ay?

That's "eh", eh.

Kinda like your manboobs, little mama?

That was creative. When do you graduate second grade? Is that considered a diploma in Kansas, Kans-ass?

No look on is glove is cheerring secretly for Canada at the Olympic.

"get people to give it the kind of priority that it deserves"

Now just what exactly do you think Cheney means by that statement? More than the 60 percent of the budget we are already allocating needs to be going to defense? Or perhaps he is hinting that the public hasn't been kept in a prolonged state of code red fear enough. After all, it's not like the average voter is making the decisions about how to spend that 60 percent budget allocation going to DOD, and it's not like the average voter got to decide whether or not another troop surge was something we wanted to do (notwithstanding, it is the average voter's child who is dying over there), nor was the average voter privy to the same information that was made available to our representatives when they made these decisions, so what exactly is Dick trying to say here?

Could it be that Dick just doesn't like the fact that the Republican party was voted out of power, and he, along with the rest of his war-mongering friends, will say or do anything to get back in power? At the end of the day, it seems it is always about power, who has it, who doesn't, and who wants it. Dick wants it bad.

Probably the most honest assessment I have heard about the surge, to date, is that we can count on our troops to get the job done that we sent them over there to do, but where the real doubt lies is in whether or not the Afghans themselves can maintain a Taliban-free nation on their own. Obviously, there are ideological differences as well as economic realities that make Afghanistan vulnerable to the Taliban, so we are not talking about a get in and get out initiative here, no matter how our leaders attempt to present it to us in the short term. But when you begin to honestly assess ideological persuasions, you come to the very root of our differences, and the heart of the reason why Middle Eastern nations continue to resist the presence of American military on their soil...they are not in the least convinced that they want our lifestyle, and yet, if we don't alter their ideologies, then we have no hope of these newly 'liberated' nations having the heart to keep factions like the Taliban from coming to power again...a real Catch 22 for Muslim countries that are not invested in our consumer oriented, and often depraved way of life.

It didn't. The reason given for the surge was to buy time for political reconciliation. It didn't happen.
Fail.

Whats a fail? Iraq is basically a peacful place other than occasional woman blowing herself up in a market place. There are bases in Iraq that have swimming pools. So the surge worked. End of story. NO fail.

Yeah, it worked out for the troops and the contractors really well, I don't know about the people of Iraq.....especially all of the dead ones.

perhaps it is time that we require our leaders to define just exactly what they mean by things like "saving Iraq"

nothing spells success quite like swimming pools, eh?

agree

not sure it worked out well for the troops, but these are duty bound individuals. They are going to serve their country, right or wrong, and if we are lucky, they will come home better individuals for having served.

90,000 troops out by summer.
Unless you have a quicker method of drawing down troops than the Pentagon, which would make you the military expert of all time. This is something I sincerely doubt, though I wish you luck.

Are you Martian????

obamaisajoke still a joke?

Not half as ugly as all of your ridiculous and meaningless comments

I agree.

I am of the opinion that the success in Iraq really didn't have anything to do with the presidential administration that placed our military in Iraq. I thought that the success in Iraq, perceived or otherwise, was due to the efforts of the soldiers who did a remarkable job with very little idea or concept from the presidential staff of how to actually accomplish the goal.

Having the Bush administration try to claim the credit for any success would be like a coach telling their team to just win the game without really putting out any strategy or plan on how to accomplish that, and then claiming that it was thanks to his wisdom and guidance that his team won. In such an instance it was not in any way shape or form the coach's victory, but the teams for striving past the limitations of having a really shitty coach.

That about sums up my 'thanks'.

wish i could vote that up about fifty more times.

Good comments, though I have it on good authority from a friend who volunteered to fight in Vietnam where he flew air-to-air combat and later served with military intel, that W never flew an aircraft in his life in either a civilian or military capacity.

Amen to that. The military has endured in spite of the Bushies, who never knew their asses from their elbows on any level, let alone war strategy.
What's more, I even read a quote the other day from John Yoo, of all people, who called them incompetents.

If W and Dick want credit for something, I'll be glad to give them credit for the downing of the WTCs...I think they deserve that, no matter how it actually came about.

Though I think that the destruction of the trade towers is in part their fault, I don't think that one can entirely lay the blame on Cheney and W. It is true that information was there that could have been used to prevent the execution of that particular terrorist attack, but we should keep in mind that we also have the benefit of hindsight to work with. Even if attention had been given to any and/or all evidence that terrorists were going to highjack planes to fly into buildings, there is no guarantee that the attack would have been prevented. The odds of preventing the attack would have been much MUCH higher, but it still could have occurred.

So rather than give them credit for the most notorious terrorist attack in the history of the United States, I'm afraid we'll have to settle giving them credit for doing a really half assed job of protecting the United States. Sorry Bush and Cheney, but it seems like you jack offs can't even get credit for something terrible that was successful.

nice analogy....pretty on point I'd say

Ha Ha--I love Rachel.

But the right doesn't hate her for her brain power--they hate her because she's gay. Although they might not have known that until I just told them--because you know no Republican has ever known anyone who was gay and "normal" and "intelligent" and not a "sex maniac". :P : P

"And she didn't have anything written on her hand."
:) love it.

Dont worry Biden is as stupid as the other vice pres before him just look at the pic above is cheerring for Canada at the Olympic.The logo on is glove is the same as on the canadian flag an also the color is the same i know because I am Canadian.

No, you don't know because you're "Canadian". Knowledge isn't based on geographical location.

You don't even know grammar. Stop trying to point out the fcking glove. God damn it.
Wearing a glove with a maple leaf on it doesn't make you stupid. I certainly don't give a flying fck about what the all mighty icemans opinion is on a VP.

(I've never flamed anyone, EVER, but this guy is just grinding my gears).

This person is trolling. I think he's trying to say that Biden's cheering for Canada by wearing a Maple Leaf on his glove, as if it's a sign of high treason. Yeah, sure, except it's called the Olympic GAMES. GAMES.

Apparently the guy didn't get the memo that the entire POINT of the Olympics is to support INTERNATIONAL comraderie and Brotherhood, and NOT to support American jingoism ("we're #1"!) It's not like even Bush/Cheney showed bad sportmanship by swaggering around the Olympic village in China, laughing at the other countries and bragging how the U.S. would CRUSH their puny athletes. That's just moronic.

Just ignore this guy.

This is winter olympic not boat race!!

Sorry for the spelling i am french.

OK, mr iceman. This is a place for intelligent discussion. (I know it isn't always the case), but could you please act accordingly? The guidelines are around here somewhere.

You're more then welcome to comment if you're ready to discuss at at least a higher level. You may comment humorously/wit-fully, but please, just make an attempt at civility. If it doesn't come out how we'd hope, that's ok, at least you tried.