Another Result of My Drug Test Coming Back Positive

"side-effects" are often a complete mind-screw. Slight-of-hand.
You take it and certain things happen. Maybe some are a desired outcome. But some may be more profoundly undesirable than anything that is hoped for.

It is complicated by people wanting to sell things.

I don't think anyone is advocating Being high on the job, driving, etc... I say that it should not be illegal to get high on your own time if you are not driving, etc... and you should be able to work any job as long as you only get high on your own time and are not high at work. *Personal Freedom of Choice!

I know a world-famous guitar player who most of you would know if I name-dropped (I won't), and he'd smoke weed at times (like many musicians do). He was a friend of my Dad's, also a musician.

I remember my Dad's opinion (who quit cigarettes, primarily due to respiratory issues): "As long as the guy continues to produce great music, doesn't drive stoned, doesn't hurt anyone else, then it comes down to his personal choice".

That's still my personal benchmark, for just about anything: responsible use.

If you're in a job where it's prohibited and you risk it and get caught, so be it: if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

You think if marijuana were made legal, surgeons and pilots would screw up their jobs?
That's retarded.
Alcohol is legal and widely available and has a much more debilitating effect than marijuana, and surgeons and pilots appear to be just fine...

Mostly agreed, but pot is Not physically addictive and there are No lingering effects the next day like there is with alcohol and other substances. Doctors Do regularly come into work the next day impared by a hang-over on alcohol, but yes they should not do that. If they just smoked pot the day before, I and others that actually know by experience that there are no lingering effects the next day, would not mind it.

"That's retarded"?

I guess you've missed recent stories of pilots getting arrested for FUI (I love the story of the 767 pilot who was arrested at Heathrow)?

Google "drunk pilot" for many more examples. Do the same for "drunk doctors", and realize no profession is immune from those who abuse substances.

You're talking about probably less than 1% of professionals.

How does that prove legalizing marijuana would influence pilots and surgeons to screw up their jobs?

Say, what? I didn't post to show that, but thanks for asking.

Hint: wait until you're NOT stoned, and re-read this thread when you're sober. In the meantime, listen to some Allman Bros and relax. :)

"pot is Not physically addictive"

Wrong, bucko.

http://www.addict-help.com/marijuana.asp

I know: it's just not addictive for YOU. You can quit, whenever you want, right? (words often spoken by true addicts).

OK, let's recap shall we:

Davidod:
"Marijuana will NEVER be completely legal for use for those wanting to hold certain jobs, nor should it be. You don't want a surgeon to come in hung-over and perform surgery on you, do you?"

FlyingKick:
"You think if marijuana were made legal, surgeons and pilots would screw up their jobs?
That's retarded. "

Davidod:
"I guess you've missed recent stories of pilots getting arrested for FUI (I love the story of the 767 pilot who was arrested at Heathrow)?"

FlyingKick:
"How does that prove legalizing marijuana would influence pilots and surgeons to screw up their jobs?"

Davidod:
"Say what. . ."

And here we are. So...

Actually I did quit for 7 years when I had a job that required random testing. It was never an issue to me or anyone else I have known that has had to quit due to testing, and that is quite a few people. Anyone that thinks that pot is 'Physically' addictive is, to put it nicely, Misinformed, more accurately, gullible to the government propaganda that has been spread for many years.
Quit spreading the LIES that the government wants people to believe and open your eyes to the truth.
The Truth shall set us free!!!

If you go to the hospital, make sure you write, directly on the skin with a big marker, which leg to cut off.

There is lingering effects. You may be way back down off the stone tree, but you're not all the back.

You're 'mellow'. They call it m-e-l-l-o-w y-e-l-l-o-w.....

We could just require pilots and surgeons to wear a hardhat with springed hammer attached. If it senses pot - wham.

60 million americans smoke cannabis ..people who are smoking now will be smoking when its legalized. the only thing that will change is that our trillions of dollars wont go to drug dealers. it will go back to the community......what else does that.?

If you think there are no lingering effects, you are wrong. In MY personal experience, it leaves a hangover, it does have an effect on your thinking process, and it drains your wallet.

I certainly hope no doctor of mine is smoking weed regularly.

Everything is better without dope. I found this out after many, many years of dope.

But, most of you guys have yourselves convinced that the weed is improving every thing about you. It's not. Give it 15 or 20 years and we'll see where you stand.

I've Used PLENTY of drugs, including Marijuana. You pointed out some great exceptions...these incidents do NOT prove that it is harmless. That is an absurd notion. Also, if you think Keith Richards and Mick Jagger are prime examples of good health I am not sure what to say.

George Burns drank hard liquor and smoked cigars every day of his life and lived to a ripe old age. This is not proof that drinking hard liquor and smoking cigars every day is harmless. Scientific research is not supposition, it is FACT. There are plenty of things we ingest in our every day lives that are harmful to us, and it is up to us to decide how much we moderate what harmful things we take in. I do not advocate the criminilization of Marijuana, I am pro legalization, but don't kid yourself that it is harmLESS. Would you say that there are millions of people who eat sugar every day and are just fine means that sugar is good for you? Or HFCS? And these are things no one thinks twice about, yet they are extremely harmful.

The FACTS are Marijuana DOES cause harm. This is not something one can debate. The FACT is, only you should be able to decide whether or not to cause the minimal ammount of harm in return for the pleasure you get from it. The same as it is for processed foods, HFCS, Sugar, etc. Just don't lie to yourself that it is harmLESS. That is just a lie, or willfull ignorance.

they are not prime examples but the first that came to mind. They've got bodies that are like a hundred years old, heroin will do that to you

I don't read.
And really only wish to raise the following notion: Just as there is you drunk and you stoned, or a you strung on heroin or you strung on coke, or speed, there is another you that quit smoking pot several months back and has just noticed a new side to life, a side that can not be experienced if you are getting stoned. It is a side that has reordered your brain - where all the endorphins, the vasopressin, the dopamine and all other aspects that add up to brain-health,. - those very aspects that getting stoned changes to create the 'high' that is sought with drugs, those aspects are suddenly in perfectly balanced health.

I am speaking about a high, a literal high, in all that the term speaks of, that can only be had in perfect health - a state of health that is simply not available when you are getting stoned.

Where one day, you realize that you are as clean and clear and sharp as when you were in your teens or pre-drug period. It slaps you across the face.

Anything you take in the way of drugs, lowers your whole ability to be healthy. Your body is in a constant fight to push off drugs. Your immune system runs at a lower level with any drug use. -Feeling better is half the reason getting stoned is so welcome.

I say, the whole time, feeling better is only necessary because the drugs are knocking your health down. Your mean health is lower.

And you can only know this by quitting. Truly, you cannot judge. Quit for a year - and see.

HarmLESS? I can't imagine how ANYONE could think that it causes NO harm. That is willfully ignorant.

"I'd rather be a pothead than a alcoholic."

Here's a novel idea: how about NEITHER? :)

Thank You!! There hasn't been a single death directly caused by Marijuana. The supposed "scientific studies" were probably not INDEPENDENT studies, rather studies funded by our government. People believe Pot is bad because it is illegal, but how many deaths are caused by alcohol each year? About 100,000. And Pot? Well...I found this but I still think it's a crock of shit.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article999100.ece

Really.

Between Alcohol, tobacco and prescription medicines one million people die per year.
Center for disease control

Hold on now, you just admitted in the other thread you go fuckin bananas and do shit all the time.

I got high last night. No harm there. Even drove. I'm quite alright I'd say. I wasn't impaired in the least bit.

If I had to choose.

I know. I like to drink. I'm just saying that It's so much more dangerous getting drunk and going out than getting high. You can't get poisoned smoking weed. Or can you? No prolly not. But you get what I'm saying.

haha heck yeah!

I totally agree with you, but personal choice is suppose to be a right in this country. There should Never be any laws passed to try to regulate morality or to benefit any particular industry over another. But that is the type of laws that we currently have and it needs to change.

Then why don't they test for alcohol abuse, which would cause just as many problems for the business, if not more.

I don't know why they don't. Perhaps it is because alcohol is legal and marijuana is not. It may indeed be a good idea to test for alcohol. Not sure what your question has to do with what I said though.

Thanks for your constitutional opinion. :)

Are you suggesting we need to develop a series of cognitive and reaction tests that would be performed daily to assure the employer this person who wants to smoke weed is NOT adversely affected, and doesn't expose themselves and others (namely their employer) to legal claims for failure to protect the public? You willing to PAY to develop such a test battery, running the clinical trials to show it discriminates effectively enough to show no results?

Because the effects of marijuana ARE known and documented, showing that the 'blunt affect' comes at a cost of slowed reaction times, impaired cognitive capabilities, etc. Hell, you know that: it's exactly WHY you enjoy marijuana! Most state laws don't even enter into the difference between driving impaired by alcohol, mj, or cough syrup: it's all just bundled under the phrase, driving under the influence.

Look, you can smoke all the weed you want and remain in an amotivational fog your entire life (it's fine with me), as long as YOU'RE willing to pay for the repercussions involved by YOUR self-chosen self-damaging behavior (and yes, that includes paying for lung cancer treatment, if smoking chronic causes your lung cancer).

You smoke whatever you want, but the second YOUR choice impedes on MY pocketbook (as a fiscal conservative), you're damned straight I'll be calling you on the carpet for it.

exactly, its the whole pursuit of happiness thing they taught us about in school. good luck proving that cannabis dont make me happy ............hehe

Smoking Marijuana does not cause cancer. Though it definitely can cause COPD and other respiratory issues.

Don't suppose you realize you're debating smoking with a doctor? Cuz' it's absolutely clear to me you're NOT a doctor, a biochemist, etc, or anyone who actually knows the first thing about how combustion is implicated with creating free-radical species that directly lead to carcinogenesis (via damage to DNA).

Google "lung cancer marijuana" and get back to me, after reading the SCORES of articles and studies which have shown strong links.

PS stay away for the pro-pot sites which don't care about facts or science, just so dope heads are mislead. Hint: it ain't just the Hannity/Beckites of the world who are willing to mislead others to advance THEIR agenda.

Again, "Vaporizer"! I use one.

Don't get me started on 'Fiscal Conservatism' in this country were people that do not use drugs die every day because fiscal conservatives don't want taxes to pay for everyone to have access to medical care. Does it matter to you that people can not afford healthcare and die because others only care about what it will cost them? Ask a "Pot Head" about healthcare for everyone and the Vast majority will support universal healthcare. It is a morality issue and most "Pot Heads" have great morals.

Good luck arguing a criminal defense claiming your marijuana use is OK, as it's based on your pursuit of happiness. That's when the judge explains that HIS pursuit of happiness is based on prosecuting people like you, LOL!

"Does it matter to you that people can not afford healthcare and die because others only care about what it will cost them?"

I dunno: does it matter to you that people voluntarily injure themselves and others for short-term hedonistic pleasure, simply because they don't care about the costs of keeping themselves alive in the future? You don't have that "Bail-out nation" sense of entitlement thing going on, do you?

Once again, the delay between 'cause and effect' is just too damned long for most people to see that what they do in their 30's will most likely effect their health when they're 60. Same with diet, exercise, etc. No one remembers the old-fashioned saying, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure".

My Grandma smoked all her life, and not surprisingly died of lung cancer. Even on her deathbed, she was smoking. When asked why, she said, "it's not going to make any difference at this point, so I might as well enjoy another one". A perverse logic that makes some sense. Too late now.

As far as the fiscal implications of such denial, of COURSE self-abusers don't care, as it's not THEIR $$$ they're willing to spend to fix their problem. Believe me, the easiest money to spend is that of OTHERS. But as Margaret Thatcher said, "the problem with socialism is you soon run out of other people's money".

Suddenly when it's coming out of YOUR wallet, you tend to look at things a bit differently.

Where is the first confirmed death directly attributed to the smoking of marijana and cancer?
Just answer the question

takes more than luck to argue with a judge. at least the majority is on my side and growing. lots of cops and judges want it legalized too. check out leap..law enforcement against prohibition..they got a cool ticker on there that shows how much of your money they waste trying to bust people like me........20 million arrests for what......its just wrong.
dont you recognize oppression when you see it.? i think it sucks........

Actually, it may well be that healthcare, as a well-run one-payer, might lower health-care costs for everyone.
Whatever your present out-go for insurance is, one-payer healthcare could, theoretically, make your yearly expenses go down - way down.

Quality of care would go up. Doctors and all health-care providers would make more.

fox news let calvina fay say that marijuana causes cancer...they would kick me off here if i told you what i think about that miserable )um dumpster....

before you talk about healthcare in america remember that 45,000 died from lack of insurance..ten times that die from tobacco every year. if they were worried about our health they would make cigaretts illegal. make friggin mcdonalds pay for healthcare and be done with it............

My poor hampster, Pete. He got strung out smoking pot and died of lung cancer. I swear to G-A-W-D.

Are you callin' me a liar?

Believe me, our prisons are filled with criminals for possession, etc. Cars get seized to fuel drug enforcement efforts. Total waste and diversion of resources.

I'm all for legalizing and taxing (uh, oh: some of your aren't going to like the idea of a pot tax). Where'd you get the idea I WASN'T?

However, that doesn't mean I'd recommend anyone smoking it, or anything else (whether it's bay leaves, newspapers, tobacco, etc)

Yet ironically, Michelle Obama dares to speak of the preventative aspects of a healthy diet, and the foot-draggers respond with, "now they're trying to tell me what I can eat!", as if there were no impact on our health care system for their decisions.

Do whatever you want with your body, but don't expect OTHERS to pay for your life-time of bad decisions. (Even when you rent an auto and get the comprehensive insurance, it doesn't cover abuse: you're not allowed to trash it off-road, and expect coverage.)

Expecting others to bail you out is the VERY DEFINITION of socialism.

Actually, I believe that everyone has the right to their own persuit of happiness whether it be body building, smoking pot, or whatever they want as long as it does not infringe on my rights. And YES I would definately be willing to pay more taxes so that they and ALL other people can get the healthcare they need.

Well, money itself is a socialist instrument. Your money is wholly worthless without every single other person involved. To think economically at all is to think outside your personal sphere.
And there's a lot to it.

At least we do agree on healthcare.

For one, you're smoking: burning ANYTHING and drawing the generated toxins and free radicals created by the combustion process is damaging to ALL biological systems, including your lungs, throat, etc. As a drug-delivery system, smoking is thus so out-of-bounds and unhealthy, even if we developed a life-saving drug that offered to cure death itself, a rational drug designer wouldn't look to formulate it in a form you could smoke. That's stoopid (sic).

There's plenty of evidence that your odds of developing lung cancer are MUCH HIGHER than had you not smoked, and inhaling ANY SMOKE is clearly a bad, unhealthy thing.

So if you want to ingest mj, then eat a brownie....

Actually, I have found myself (in rare circumstance because I very rarely drink) at a party where, after a couple beers and some fun talk, had someone exclaim "Wow, you're actually a good guy!"

Vaporizer

they are the best no doubt about it

Man I hear a lot about them critters. But do they really work?

Yes, and also, an article right here on current a while back pointed out that 31 of the cancer-causers in tobacco smoke are also in pot smoke.

This is the one circumstance where smoking pot is good for you: smoke your pot and then think about the 31 cancer-causers in the smoke.

Good luck and report your findings.

You don't need to be without intoxicants to be in great shape and to have a sharp mind with a high IQ. But if that works for you then that is a good thing. Don't try to tell others how to live their life.

"Don't try to tell others how to live their life."

It's a deal, but only if you promise not to burden social services whenever you get sick and need expensive chemo, inhalants to treat asthma, COPD, etc. Oh, and that goes for your KIDS, too, where your 2nd-hand smoke (cigarette or marijuana) causes THEM to have asthma attacks, etc.

I can try anything I want. You can try not to hear me.

Regardless, your mind is clearer when you are straight. Pot does a very good job of stoning you out - so it's a not a good argument to say it has no effect.

To say you are better, stoned - is not a good argument because, while you might like being stoned, you aren't going to be that much better, if at all. Otherwise you wouldn't have very much 'you' to start with. It's just an intoxicant thing. It is a matter of how much of your life you going to spend intoxicated.

There is a simple way to look at this - there is you, and then there is you stoned.

One could raise solid arguments for pot in the very short term. You laughed your ass off, you had great insight, you and your old-lady tore each up in bed. All admirable, experience enriching pursuits.
But in the very long term, being a stoner is not very healthy.

And there is simply more of that thing called "life" for the healthy, strong vibrant you. Ask your mother.

I have never and will never smoke around kids, that's just stupid!!!
I have had cancer, Melanoma (from being outside in the sun and being a healthy young person with many outside activities when I was young). I had a good job with good insurance at the time, but I was fired after the diagnosis and my insurance cancelled. I suppose it was my fault due to smoking pot, huh.

Who ever said that they were better at something when stoned? Most pot heads are not always stoned, they just like to get high after work to relax.

cannabis is not "dope"...your a dope. yeah take godsnliberal advise and stop smoking herb and start drinking more. And become an alcoholic it is more politically correct.

Hey man I'm just wondering what do you do besides pick on the pot heads around here? I meen do you have a reguler job an all or are you retired Maybe Disabled like myself ?

Yeah, yet another example of the "it's everybody else's fault but mine" syndrome, that classic American trait where some lack a sense of PERSONAL responsibility and avoid manning up to admit they gambled and lost...

IT IS JUST A PLANT..... cocaine, heroin, and tobacco all need to be processed before consumption. Not to mention the added chemicals. Selective breeding, hydroponics, and whatever you mean by ultra violet light.(i think you mean "high intensity discharge" lights that are used for indoor growing.) None of the things you listed alter or chemically change the plant. All you do is dry and use. And yes I can understand drug testing critical situation jobs. But the fact is drug testing is a Billion dollar industry that is built on cannabis users.Every other drug is out of your system in a few days. So why should someone who smokes on their day off have to worry about failing a drug the next week.
And let's not start with the fact that millions of people go to work high as shit on prescription drugs....a little hypocritical don't you think

I'm actually FOR the legalization of medical marijuana, which you would know if you read past the first line in my post. You missed my point entirely.

Opium is straight from the plant.
Tobacco does not need to be processed to be consumed. American Spirit cigarettes are all natural.
Poison Ivy, hemlock, and nightshade are just plants too, and they're poisonous.

My point is that the "it's just a plant" argument is weak. Focusing on the benefits is a much stronger approach to convincing someone.

no shit ! you never hear about people driving on xanax or valium getting in trouble. it s mind altering ....one of my favorites.......but. if you get 90 a month its gunna fuck with you eventually......

Actually Opium comes from altering the plant by cutting it and the plant produces the opium sirup to heal the wound. Then it is processed further for use.
Tobacco is also altered by selective breading.
Medical Marujuana is a great start but full legalization is the only real answer to the problem of drug cartel and drug gang violence. It is also a personal freedom of choice that we have been wrongly denied by fear of prosecution for way too long.

And kind bud has been altered by horticultural techniques, but that doesn't matter.
You're kind of missing my point as well.

Here's what I'm saying: The "it's just a plant" argument doesn't prove anything.
People should avoid using it.

Full legalization won't happen until medical legalization does.

Yea, like the fact that people with Multiple Sclerosis are able to regain their physical faculties after smoking pot. That's a quality of life argument right there! :D

Exactly!

Agreed!

It could be to somebody.

so the news is that some random guy didn't pass a drug test? he wasn't arrested, or fired (if I remember correctly), nothing happened! he is just pro pot and should have made that the title and the focus, not the fact that he took a drug test and failed it. i just hate it that current puts the stupidest crap on the front page and calls it news.

Maybe this is his way of telling his P.O. that he won't be comeing in this month.

are they hiring? i will bring my bong

Get 'em hunzedog, get 'em!

Yeah, that amoxicillin is a real drug of abuse, eh? Dude, the 'high' you get by abusing moxie is absolutely unreal (nausea, vomiting; a case of Stevens'Johnson Syndrome is totally rad!!!)

I know you don't even know what you don't know (and it doesn't matter to you, anyway), but those meds are used to treat psych/depression/sleep disorders, high blood presssure, high cholesterol, antibiotics for bacterial infections, and even one is used to help people break their narc addiction (methadone).

They're ALL potentially killers and alter mood if you don't know what you're doing with them, esp. if you decide to experiment. There's an old saying in toxicology: "the dose makes the poison". That's exactly WHY they're regulated, and require an Rx.

Even there, if you're a pilot or someone who's job requires clarity of thought, you're NOT going to be legal to fly an aircraft while on ANY MED that blunts your affect/cognitive capability. So even if pot is legalized, you're not going to see pilots or police/fire being allowed to smoke off-duty for recreational use, either.

But go for it, I say: be a true libertarian and exercise your RIGHT to control your own pharmacological destiny! Don't let "the Man" tell you what you can and cannot take. It's all about natural selection in action.

i didnt say get high i said get fu(ked up and death for proffit is kinda fu(ked up to me. i live in florida where 10 people died today from pills they give you all you want of;;;;;;.''''''''''''''see also oxycontin express.... when i went to rehab the first thing they tried to do was put me on drugs. they said try this and this and see what makes you feel better......hell i already knew what made me feel better.......it was, had been, and always will be CANNABIS.......EXCEPT WHEN I FLY PLANES.....I CANT HOLD MY BANK ANGLE FOR SHIT.....ITS ALL STRAIGHT AND LEVEL. kinda like how you slow down when you drive high. ....funny old world aint it ?

!!! THANKS FOR THE INFO THO....my bad

Actually, there is a lab that is fine tuning a way to tell if people are actually under the influence of MJ, not just a past user, so it will be possible for All people to use it legally and go to work without prosecution for past use. I can't remember what magazine I read it in last year, maybe Popular Science or Scientific American or one like it. The problem is that for a long while it will probably be expensive and many companies will still use the current tests for hiring employees. The expensive test will be used if someone is injured at work because the insurance companies will want to use the current test to know if you are under the influence at the time so they don't have to pay for your injuries. You will need to pay for the expensive test yourself in order to prove that you were not currently under the influence. In critical jobs such as you mentioned, I assume that you will have the option of paying for the more expensive test yourself when it comes time for the occational random testing. But the way some companies policies are they don't even want you to smoke cigarettes on your own time and the courts have decided that they do have the right to deny you a job or even fire you for doing so. That decision by the courts was bought by the insurance industry and also needs to change.