Are mandatory vaccines a form of violence against children?

Wow, we actually agree on something.

You're welcome. We need to be very vigilant about what is in vaccines as well as our food, water, and in our environment as a whole, and we also need to continue to fight for proper disclosure regarding all of the above as well. Unfortunately, some here with an ax to grind only read what they want to read and interpret it to suit their own means. When you have children their welfare and health is the FIRST priority, and as such you need to know what you are putting into their bodies to be able to make informed decisions on what to do to maintain their health. In some cases it may be a vaccine, and in other cases it may well be a natural supplement. Preserving the right to make that choice and gather truthful information is the backbone of a democratic country.

Amen sister. When someone disagrees with you...they DO have an ax to grind. It's everyone's right in a community to place the rest of that community in danger. Why do you think its called "herd immunity"? Because big medicine, with their cures for diseases and stuff think we are all as stupid as cows.

I don't care if my child becomes a threat to others with weakened immune systems or organ transplant recipients. Its my right to be completely ignorant of the needs of others and put my desires over everyone else just as its my right to spread misinformation about vaccines.

Did you know that vaccines turn babies into trolls? Bet you didn't but if you google it, you'll find some quack...er um...some doctor-ish person not afraid of big Pharma to tell us the truth. POWER TO THE IGNORANT!!!!

Absolutely.

It was wrong and the parents of these children were given no option but to go along or their child would have been banned by the school! I'll say it again: no government has the right to decide to force you to do something to your child that you are opposed too!

Thank you. It's good to know some here knew what this was about.

This post is not about denial of medical care but the violation of freedom and the lack of disclosure by those making vaccines that does wind up hurting people which you seem totally in denial about.

denial of vaccine is denial of medical care

OK...I understand where you're coming from, but I can only comment from a "Down Under" perspective...we just don't have this problem. Pretty much everyone has their kids innoculated...we're not forced, or held to gunpoint, granted, and that's unacceptable. It's just not an issue here...

Trusting too much in for profit pharmaceutical companies can be deadly.

Here is a link to a scholarly paper about misplaced trust in therapeutic research and treatment efficacy.

http://www.genome.duke.edu/education/seminars/journal-club/documents/Beyond%20In...

Someone else who doesn't read.

Polio vaccinations also virtually eradicated polio in the Western world.

Should we go back to a polio epidemic because the vaccine infected a few people? It's tragic, but you have to think of the greater good to society.

"Did we already forget that Polio vaccinations cased many cased of Polio"

that is wrong on so many levels it is funny

Really? well do some research and you'll find that the first vaccine DID cause some cases of polio and was recalled and redone because it did.while the number of cases was small by population standards,25 or 30 thousand,it happened! Didn't you ever learn history in school? Now sure the vaccine was recalled and modified, and as a result no new cases appeared, but the point is that children were used to test the first issue of this vaccine and got the disease! My uncle now long dead was one of them! before you make a blanket statement like that do your research first or would you even deny the truth?

but did it "cased many cased of Polio?"! lol

I don't care if you do the research or not however it did exactly that was recalled then fixed and re-issued! you are so brainwashed if the government told you to kill somebody you'd probably go along and not question it at all!

Have you noticed you are arguing with every poster here? I do not find that funny.

I guess you didn't understand the thrust of the post nor my comment either(?) so let me explain again. I tend to agree that FORCED vaccinations are violence against children. I also think that more resources should be put into eradicating diseases in the first place, and in educating people about vaccines in giving them the ability to make informed decisions. Just how is that naive? And you say polio in running rampant in 3rd world countries... well then, where are the vaccines saving them? Where is the cure? There will ALWAYS be diseases in this world we will need some "vaccine" for that just won't quite eradicate that disease as long as people make MONEY from them. This is why the same interests pushing all of these vaccines are also squelching ( and stealing) information about natural remedies and cures that can be found in places like the Amazon. Those who believe otherwise are to me the naive ones.

Some diseases can only be eradicated by vaccination. Polio is one example.
60 years ago, if everyone were as stubborn as you and decided against getting a polio vaccination, we would be in the middle of a modern polio epidemic. That's the truth.

Of course Pharmacutical companies are only interested in profits and they're probably subverting alternative cures. However, unless you have that alternative cure, that's a really stupid reason to not get a vaccination.

I guess the point is that if you are already vaccinated, then why worry about those that choose not to get vaccinated. How are they going to get that disease, unless they travel to some place where that disease runs rampant? How are you going to get the disease if you are already vaccinated? In this case there would be no harm in taking the position of live and let live, unless you are making an argument regarding public health and the cost on society to treat the disease.

yes and look how many africans died as a result! Resist at all costs any attempt by the elite to force you to do anything you don't want to do!

What would you call it when children are denied vaccinations?

I would call that neglect. There is a middle ground and its called informed consent. But the argument is valid that children cannot give informed consent so they rely on their parents. It is a slippery slope as you indicated on another post, because there are so many fanatical people who have demonstrated that they cannot see the middle ground, they only know their extreme position and thereby endanger the child in question. It is like the parents in the Oregon case recently that were found guilty of the death of their child for faith healing. That is very different to a case of a parent deciding not to inoculate their child for H1N1.

Somewhere we need to find a balance, but until we can have full accountability from government and pharmaceutical companies, people are going to be suspicious of what they create. Especially when huge profits and money are involved, people become short sighted and the people they are supposed to help become more valuable being sick than being perfectly healthy. That is criminal. We all know that there have been monstrous things created in labs and weaponized. For most of the weaponized bio agents they have a treatment and or a cure. The same companies that create the treatments and vaccines for childhood diseases are, in many cases, the same companies that create the weaponized biological agents as well. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't put it past these companies to be just as much part of the problem as they are part of the solution. In even plainer words, I wouldn't put it past some of these companies to be actively researching ways to create diseases that they than can treat, thereby ensuring a steady revenue stream.

I will agree that for the most part vaccines are safe and effective. But I would be leery at any vaccination that uses animal parts to be made. That is another big part of "informed consent" that is very important. Patents be damned, we need to know if animal parts are being used to create the vaccines, or if mercury is being used as a preservative or as an ingredient, we should be able to have access to negative reports and results from drug trials or vaccine trials. I just don't trust the experts to be beyond reproach anymore given the environment of corporate greed and government complicity.

Whooping cough is also on the rise in the interior of BC, in communities where vaccination rates are very low.

The main problem is that the average American has never taken a simple statistics class. Then again, maybe then lotteries would go away. There is so damn much misinformation about vaccines and even the actual process in which the human body interacts with their environment is not understood.

http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nr-11-16-07.php

It happened. All you had to do was Google. And this isn'[t about being a LIBERAL or anything else politically. I am so sick of seeing politics take precedence in EVERY discussion on this site. And if I refused a vaccination and my child got sick I WOULD HAVE HANDLED IT. There are also other natural ways to keep children healthy, and not all vaccines are good for them. It should be up to the parent's discretion to decide, which brings us back to PROPER DISCLOSURE and information to make INFORMED DECISIONS.

"if I refuse a vaccination and my child gets sick I WILL HANDLE IT"

Right, you will handle it when your child gets measles and dies? Easy for you to say. How do you think the dead kid is going to feel?

Do you realize how insane that sounds? What will you do if your child gets measles, polio or some other preventable disease because you refused vaccinations? Lay hands on the child? Anoint him with magic oil? Feed him some organic veggies and make it all better?

one of the injections they give to newborns is to prevent hyperbilirubinemia, infants cant produce vitamin k for the first two weeks, because of that they give the mother or the baby an injection of vitamin k, now this is only important if the mother dosent eat alot of green leafy vegtables, then your child might need the shot.

if the mother eats enough leafy greens, she dosent need the shot, if the mother eats enough leafy greens, and the doctors give her the shot anyhow the child then gets a overdose of vitamin k and that causes the same things they were trying to avoid.

i am hard of hearing and my brother is deaf because of this, my mom had two more kids and both were born at home with a midwife, my other two brothers have perfect hearing.

would you like to know the other cure for this for a child? sunlight, FUCKING SUNLIGHT!!! if you dont want your child to stay in a hospitol for two weeks under a growlight, you can buy a grow light and some little protective goggles fot his eyes and presto, cheap and your not injecting poison into your child.

also i sugest you watch the business of birth, its a documentry by ricki lake, i found it higly informative.

I have once asked my child's doctor if she will give me a guarantee that my child will not be harmed and she said she cannot. So who will be responsible for harm to my child if she gets the vaccine? Pharma? NO. Doctor? NO. Who?

You are all missing a key point here and that is anything FORCED by the government is wrong and must be fought no matter the reason! Why? the answer is simple because we all have the right to self determination,to decide for ourselves what we put into our bodies not the government,or the lifestyle police! If jan chooses not to give a vaccine to her kids that is her right as the parent until her children reach the age of majority,just as it is unimatrix's right to decide for herself and her children! While I believe that trusting the government is foolish,and that doing so may harm your children,or you,resistance is the path I'll follow!

Yes, It is easy for me to say because I chose to get the vaccination for measles after educating myself about it. IT WAS VOLUNTARY which is the point. And there were others I chose to not get because I did not feel they were necessary based on my research, and my child is now a healthy adult. Did I ever state anywhere I had not? Again, you missed the entire point of this post because you like some others who are in your group here think you know it all. But yes, if I had chosen to not get that measles vaccine and my child got measles I would have handled it properly and taken care of him and that would not have been ANY of your business. I had mumps when I was four years old and lived to be a very healthy child and my parents were far from negligent. Your sweeping generalizations here are what are negligent and your overwhelming blind allegiance to this because you worship all science blindly is very dangerous. Again, READ the title and my comment in my original post. FORCED vaccinations are violence against children, especially when people are not gvien the proper information to make INFORMED decisions about their child's health.

Jan, I am glad you got your kids vaccinated, you did the right thing.

How far are you willing to take this choice thing - how far down the slippery slope are you willing to go? Should parents be free to deny their children other sorts of medical attention?

Are you prepared to see children die because their parents are afraid of big bad pharma, or simply don't accept the validity of western science?

And what do you tell the kid in a wheel chair from polio, or worse? Is it fair to ask a child to risk their life and health because of their parents ignorance and superstition?

Bravo Jan! that was my point as well.it should be your choice not government as to what gets put into you're body! To anyone who follows science blindly all I can say is its your right to make that mistake but don't belittle others who choose to determine for themselves! Many children got polio from the injection unimatrix0 look it up yourself! even though many people got the flu AFTER getting a shot even though science denies it could ever happen! If you allow government to force you into anything it's not acceptable to me! Government does NOT have your best interests at heart!

you might be 'handling it' from jail.

i read through these comments, some from people who rant against Christian Scientists,
Jehovah Witnesses, Scientologists, and others who refuse medical treatment for their children. how did that vaccination program against smallpox work out?
most people don't think twice about dragging the family dog or other pet to the vet for 'forced vaccinations'...and not at gunpoint.

...you beat me to that exact statement "U"..."if I refuse a vaccination and my child gets sick I WILL HANDLE IT"...and how will you handle it if others suffer from your ignorance?????????...hopefully, they will have been vaccinated...

Why did you just quote that one sentence? Because you think it validates your ignorance on the topic? Until you become a parent don't dare tell me I am irresponsible or negligent for giving a damn about what is put into my child's body and in voicing my opinion about FORCED vaccinations. Where is your feigned outrage for those who take advantage of our children for profit and who pump poisons into their bodies without our knowledge or consent? Is that negligent?

Jan, do you honestly believe all the scientists and pediatricians do not have the best interest of children at heart? Do you really believe all these people are evil and in cahoots with big pharma? How paranoid is that?

If you don't vaccinate your children you put them and others at risk. Vaccines work, and the world is a much better and healthier place because of them.

I suggest you study a little history as well as science. Childhood mortality before vaccines was through the roof.

Vaccines save the lives of countless children every year.

All you do is spew the same broken record rhetoric in every response. Back it up for once and stop twisting people's words. CONCERN AND LOVE FOR MY CHILD AND OUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS NOT NEGLIGENT. And next time read the title. The key word here is MANDATORY. I suppose what happened in Maryland is OK by you? Or didn't you even read it?

Here are the words written by the author right after the line you chose to cherrypick and end it at:

'Most modern vaccinations are, of course, a form of chemical violence against children.

If they were all formulated without chemical preservatives (like thimerosal) and dangerous adjuvants (which can harm the nervous system), that might be a different story. But far too many of today's vaccines are chemical concoctions that are entirely unnatural to the human body. To force them into the bodies of innocent children is an act of medical violence.'

Again , the key word being FORCE.

Hey Jan, some just refuse to read the words.

the doctors themselves barely know whats in the stuff, all the doctors know is they have a sales rep saying this new drug is FANTASTIC, ohh and by the way you get free stuff from us if you push our drugs!

i dont think ALL of them are crooked, but enough of them are.

and if you think our goverment dosent manage how many people die each year your fucking crazy, heres an example, recently there were some ford vehicles that had a great roll-over rating in europe, the same car in america is engineered to a lesser standard and you can die in a roll over, why would the car manufacture build another car to a lesser standard? if the price is the sole reason then theres something seriously wrong.

have you ever paid attention to drug comercials? i think a runny nose is far easier to deal with than organ failure and anal leakage, 9 times out of 10 the side affects are worse than the cure.

medicine started out noble, relying on nature to find cures, but when penicillin came out they thought they had a real cash cow, one drug that cures multiple ailments, well production was slow to start so it cost an arm and a leg at first, new production methods increased output and lowered cost's of manufacture but the price was still high, my father told me that it go to a point where people though the companys were getting to much money for there cure and that they should lower the price.

as a result drug manufatures learned that there is no profit in CURES, profit only exists in TREATMENT aka a life long subscription to the relief from your aliment... how sick and cruel, and if you take one drug for any length of time it sets something else out of wack and then you need another drug, and then another.

when a problem starts, its normaly a vitamin deficincy and that manifests as high blood pressure or it could be migranes ect ect ect, a majority of our problems are due to our lacking diets, and i would also say to many parents shelter thier kids from nature, dirt and bugs are great for your childs immune system just use common sense and dont set them loose in a porta-potty.

well im glad you live in a world where the goverment clearly has your best intrest in heart, because they always tell us the truth as they see fit, they would never lie to us because the cattle need the illusion of security, they would never harm a single one of us because they care what we fucking think and feel, i am SOOOO thankfull that basicly every state in this blessed union isnt going bankrupt, hell infact i think we are underbudget this year same as last year and the year before that and, and, and...

do you even listen to the lies the t.v. and radio tells you any more? i mean hell they have EXPERTS, what do you know? ive got an EXPERT dont challenge me!

in 2006-2007 over 100 million anti-depression perscriptions were filled, are 1/3 of us really that depressed? or do they perscribe just to perscribe? 40% of our GDP is spent on medicine or treatment, we spend more money with big pharma, than we spend on housing, utilities, food, and clothing combined.

life is good, sucker

Are you really that naive or just ignorant? Did you know who sponsors all medical literature in med school? Here is just a small example…
Pharmaceutical Giant Paid $500,000 to Psychiatrist Who Used Chicago's Poor as Guinea Pigs
http://www.alternet.org/investigations/144011/pharmaceutical_giant_paid_$500,000_to_psychiatrist_who_used_chicago's_poor_as_guinea_pigs
The Corrupt Alliance of the Psychiatric-Pharmaceutical Industry
http://www.cchrint.org/cchr-issues/the-corrupt-alliance-of-the-psychiatric-pharm...

Are you on pharma payroll yourself? Child abuse is to inject our children with mercury and procecute parents for protecting their children.

Hey cowboy, you might want to learn how to spell and write in complete sentences before you start calling other people ignorant.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am a city girl. Please do not try psychoanalyze me, I already have forgotten what you have not even learned.

And I am ok with my spelling and writing. I can speak several languages, how about you? I also traveled all around the world and lived in many countries. How about you? I learned to think and recognize the truth. How about you? I also learned that you are very angry person and I have no idea how you can work with children.

Have some chamomile tea it’s really good for you.

I was not trying to psychoanalyze you, just advising you that calling people "ignorant" when you yourself are incapable of spelling or writing in complete sentences makes you look rather foolish.

If I were to psychoanalyze you I would say you are an angry middle aged man who hates women. Your posts are always exaggerated claims about how some abusive man is being unfairly treated.

But I am not angry. I enjoy this, I do it for fun.

However, if you want to be taken seriously, I do encourage you to work on your spelling and writing ability.

I'd not deny for one second that I'm the king of typos! It might help if spell check was added here so if you were referring to me deal with it! It changes none of what I said on this post! Hey Current add spell check so nobody gets upset!

so is galwayman a sockpuppet for motherfortruth?

You are beginning to really piss me off lady! am nobodies sockpuppet you brainwashed elitist! having read every post you have done on this story you just repeat the same old song,blind obedience to a government even if they don't care if you live or die,all they care about is the profit these vaccinations bring in for the rich drug companies! your posts show me that you haven't done any research on this subject and are unwilling to learn the facts that may prove you wrong! then when challenged you insult people! forcing our children,and their parents to blindly except this is government terrorism pure and simple! so when will you tire of insulting Jan,or me,or anyone who opposes your viewpoint? I'll take a lot but if someone chooses to insult me,or others,that is beyond the pale! before you flag this,which is what elitists do when opposed,if you insult me you'd best expect I'll react! why is lots of people get the real point Jan was making by posting this except you? why is it you have to insult people who refuse to agree with you?

I guess the answers to my questions are all NO. I am not surprised. If I remember correctly you are psychologist... Please do those that rely on real help a favor and change your career you are not so good at psychoanalysis.

Now to the subject of this post…You are obviously not a parent and I believe you would never make a good one. Those of us who are loving parents and who put the best interest of our children ahead of ours will do extensive research on benefits and potential harm to the wellbeing of our children. I would not hesitate for a second choosing to lose my life to save my child's. So do not ever question my ability to protect my children. No government sockpuppet like you can ever convince me that I do not know what is in the best interest of my children.

Sooo the problem here is that the vaccines are mandatory...

Well, some things should BE mandatory.

I think it should be mandatory that you feed you children and not starve them, it should be mandatory to give children the opportunity to receive a good education, and it should be mandatory to give children vaccines that will keep them from dying.

However, i understand the issue surrounding NEW vaccines. We don't have enough guarantees about those and until all the side effects and possible results are known, i agree those should NOT be mandatory. But the vaccines that we do know are safe to use and will prevent horrible diseases, those SHOULD BE mandatory.

Hard to believe this happens in America. Amazing too that this isn't considered terrorism.

Yes, polio and measles are just as common as they always were. Kids still die all the time from measles and polio, don't they? Those vaccines, they just don't work at all. /sarcasm off

catch a clue, your claim is ridiculous. vaccines work.

What claim? That FORCED vaccinations are violence? That we don't see any real progress on eradicating disease as a whole and simply prefer to defer to medications and vaccines to make others money? You deny that? If so you are truly naive. How come you aren't addressing that? I never stated vaccines as a whole don't work for some. I stated that there should be FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Stop putting words in my mouth to validate your obvious loathing of people who dare to question what you worship.

This claim: "the fact that we don't see any definable progress on eradicating disease"

We have made incredible progress. We have wiped out polio and measles for a start. For you to deny this is dishonest or uninformed.

Again, your idea of freedom of choice sounds like "I am free to risk my child's life" And that kind of freedom does not impress me.

your type of freedom which is too let the rich elite or government to make your choices for you doesn't impress me either! That is whats wrong in this country the majority believe everything they are told and just blindly follow without question!

Well you have certainly proven here you are anti-freedom of choice. And that does not mean what you are skewing it to mean to suit your own atheist agenda here which is always at the core of how you respond to others in your arrogance. You think all people who believe in the choice to make informed decisions are all Christian fanatics who would let their children die. You need to go back to that other thread you talked about because THIS isn't it. NOTHING like that was even intimated in this thread.