Climate change melts Antarctica ice shelves -USGS
source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/2/23/worldupdates/2010-02-23T061045Z_01_NOOT...
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Jahvega
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Yeah people are stupid, they fail science CLASS and now they think they have a say in the matter! Listen stupid people of America, WITH YOUR BIG SUV AND FOUR WHEEL TRUCKS THAT NEVER GO OFF ROAD, get an smaller, particle vehicle! Save on Gas and protect the planet.
Yeah how about getting off OIL. We can save on WARS, protect the ENVIRONMENT, Alternative options for power will lead to new industries, helping create JOBS.
ANY ONE HERE TALKING SMACK ABOUT AL GORE, OR THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS NATURAL, DON' T WORRY ARE STUPID. Everything has happen before in history, that doesn't make it OK to happen again! 2 AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT is that Global Warming is speeding up, ever since the industrial age started! Global warming is going FASTER THEN IT WOULD HAVE IF IT WAS A NATURAL OCCURRENCE, FACT!!!!!
FACT IT ONLY TAKES A FEW DEGREE'S IN CHANGE AND MANKIND BECOMES HISTORY. SO STUPID PEOPLE IGNORE NATURES WARNING CALLS AND FACE EXTINCTION!
- 2 years ago
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Jahvega
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Monkey_Films
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Mark701 you can talk all of the climatology you want and I don't disagree with the science of what is happening. The problem is; you are not admitting to yourself or anyone else that this happens over and over throughout history. I understand science very well, you may need some history, however. This happens with or without humans. What your science cannot prove because it proves the opposite is that man is causing global warming, climate change or whatever the next convenient name becomes. You cannot, have not, and will never be able to prove that because we contribute so little of these gases the Earth barely notices us. While I agree we need to work on other ways of doing things, YES, you are being an alarmist. And, YES, you are promoting a cause in the wrongest way. You keeping ringing alarm bells, providing no proof we contribute, and you offer no solutions other than paying taxes to bankers. Pitiful. Crying shame. To make matters worse, you and the others like you then yell that anyone who 'doesn't understand' your version of the manufactured truth must not be very smart. Do you realize how ignorant that is? Beyond that, you and the others always avoid the taxes won't fix this question, and asking citizens to contribute without stopping the wars would fix things how? Besides, your 'President' is pushing everyone's buttons around the world and soon there won't be much to save anyway. Your lack of addressing real issues makes your talk about this subject 'Alarmist Babble'. Put up or shut up. Again, offer something other than googling, then copying and pasting something you found on a climatology website. You have nothing to offer if you're not offering viable solutions. Have you built a free energy magnetic generator for $150. I bet you're still getting electricity from the grid which most comes from burning coal in America. Put up or shut up.
- 2 years ago
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films
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I can build a free energy device that will power a house for $150. Some houses may need two. However, once these are in place there is no more need to pay for electricity and they are impervious to outages.
The magnetic power generator works as a free energy generator that uses magnetic drive along with magnets to create a perpetual movement. In this case, the generator runs alone continuously while not stopping and can make completely free electrical electric power which can be implemented by a person for various uses. The everlasting action inside generator refers to a device which works indefinitely, producing huge amounts of energy.
The magnetic power generator adopts repugnant and attract electrical power of environmentally sound magnets to be able to produce the movement into flywheel. This flywheel is in turn attached with a smaller generator through a gear set up, so when the wheel carries on it drives the turbine, thereby, providing electric power.
An extra function of the Magnetic power generator is it's quite simple and simple to develop. Anybody possessing standard mechanical information can construct a Do-it-yourself magnetic power generator by just referring to a number of blueprints and guides on hand on the internet. In any other case, he can purchase one of many magnetic generators readily available in the market at an affordable price. Furthermore, these types of power supplements help you save about 20% to 50% on electrical power monthly dues. As soon as when these kinds of machines are assembled appropriately, they are able to work for a long time generating no cost energy.
The power generators might efficiently be used as a electrical power supplement in households with no expense. Additionally, the generator isn't going to develop any unhealthy by-products such as gas in fact it is environmentally friendly as well. So it is ideal for everyone to select this particular alternate supply of electric electricity that is certainly entirely safe and sound to operate and is particularly economical and environmental.Why doesn't everyone know about these? Why isn't Al Gore selling these? Hmm.
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Monkey_Films
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likeamazing
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Monkey_Films:
because it's a scam perhaps?
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likeamazing
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Jahvega
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Monkey_Films:
Yo, I see are talking about magnetic engines, you must know about TESLA. If you don't know, Tesla is the real father of RADIO, WIRELESS TECH, and THE A.C. CURRENT ELECTRICITY!! look up how Tesla had planned to give the world free energy!!!
Any way AL GORE is not the one stopping people from your energy system, Hell he is no scientist. So DON'T BLAME HIM AND MAKE HIM INTO THE BOGGY MAN. This doesn't help any body.
FACT: Al Gore's NOBEL PRICE MOVIE ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS SHOWN IN EVERY ENVIRONMENTAL CLASS ACROSS THE WORLD, WHY BECAUSE HE GOT THE BEST MINDS CAME TOGETHER, WITH PROOF AND EASY LANGUAGE TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR PLANET.
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Jahvega
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Monkey_Films
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Mark701, Funs stats, not completely correct, but fun. Things is, you still don't tell me how you wish to address the issues you brought up. Paying taxes won't influence the deforestation or carbon output of humans. Again, the only thing we can do is demand new leadership, replace our joke of a government on all levels and make the changes ourselves by releasing the already proven technologies that are being withheld from us. Then, we can use the war money to subsidize companies that are willing to make 'greeen' energies and stop deforestation until they become profitable. Again, again, it WON'T HAPPEN. Why? Because you insist on allowing criminals and bankers to infiltrate your movement and push ideas that will only expand their pocketbooks. Tell me you want to stop the biggest polluter, the wars, and that you are willing to get rid of the lobbyists and criminal politicians or anything you say is rubbish. Put up or shut up, all of you 'greenies'.
Americans have completely lost all ability to reason or do anything, for that matter, without the help of Mother Government and Father Banker. Grow up, children, take matters in your own hands, do some real research for once and make the change you are so quick to type about. Quit yelling at your fellow citizens and focus the attention on Washington, your State and local governments. Tell them you want Green, for environment, not Red, for blood. We have the money and the know how to fix this it's just all being used somewhere else for the bankers to kill some foreigner so you can have cheap stuff. Are you willing to take the right steps, the Right ones. If not, shut that self-righteous trap of yours and go out and make yourself useful, all of you.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films
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tommic....This is a faulty movement. As movements have done in the past, they must correct themselves as they learn or they will be left in the dustpiles of History. This 'movement' must separate itself from the corporations and Al Gore if it wishes to have an impact. This is not a grass-roots movement and none of the solutions offered are capable of impacting change or benefits. Give the people a serious way to help, force the government and corporations to do the same and then we've got something. Right now, all this hot air is just causing more 'Climate Change'.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films
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Who did the dinosaurs 'pay' to stop Climate Change? Nobody, it happened anyway. Maybe if they had an Al Gorisaur and a corrupt worldwide banking system to suck the middle class dinosaurs' money from them they could have stopped the whole thing from causing their extinction. Oh well, can't change the past but we still can pay our modern version of the Gorisaurus Rex and the Bankingators so they can sit and watch the Climate Change from a much safer position. That's what they plan to do, you know. Take your money and prepare for the inevitable. Why don't you keep your money and do the same?
The reason why you won't is they have used your schools, your television and other media to convince you that giving them money will change things. It won't, you know. The large corporations and industries will keep pumping out poison, the bombs will continue to create CO2, the tanks will roll and kill those you're trying to save and Gore will laugh at you in his bunker. '
Try taking control of your world, seizing back control of this country and then working with other countries on some serious environmentalism. Any environmentalist idea that can be traced back to banks, Al Gore, or corporations is nothing but a scam. Prove me wrong. You can't.
Now, put on your thinking caps and try to come up with something that will really affect our world, or even the climate. Ask Al Gore why all of the scientists and engineers that come up with free or non-polluting energy disappear and their information is confiscated. We have the knowledge, the power and the know how to fix all of the problems but we won't use it. Why? Power and money and greed. Al Gore is guilty of it and so are all of Washington.
Solution: Quit acting like crazy people continuing to expect different results from decades of the same political behavior. Clean up Washington, get rid of the Fed, clean up State Government, Local Government, and throw political correctness out the window like old coffee. Then, we put Independents and real people into every position, eliminate the lobbyists and start some real 'Change' for once.
I completely agree with being environmentally aware and 'green'. However, your banks, Washington, Al Gore, have the power and the knowledge and refuse to use it for the good of everyone. That is the battle that must be fought. If we can fund these wars, we can subsidize start-ups and free up the clean energy technology already available. Sadly, this is not going to happen, ever, because the lobbyists run government of ours won't let it happen. Even if it means 'Climate Change' kills those of us without the money to prepare for it.
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Monkey_Films
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Here it is cold, there it is warm and over there it is something else; this is not the way to determine whether or not there is global warming. If you understand how the weather patterns are created and affected by the changes in ocean temperatures, then much of this confusion about record snowfalls, rains, droughts, and increases in diverse weather patterns makes more sense.
The weather patterns people see in various places tend to conflict with their perceptions of what global warming is supposed to look like. The shifting of the wind patterns are significantly impacted by the temperatures of the oceans. Consequently, in some cases you will have an increase in temperature and in other cases a substantial drop. The result can be a record snowfall in some areas and in other locations there will be a drought and so on.
Global warming isn't where the whole planet turns into something like a hot day at the beach!
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JuliusBC
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I side with Mark701 on this one. The evidences that I see, tend to indicate the trending towards global warming is being perpetuated by human beings. Many of the pollutants that we enter into the atmosphere are not natural to our ecosystem and have other far reaching impacts that may not be fully realized or understood.
Cause and effect is a universal law that none can escape. Politics, religion and/or targeted points of view agreeing with what we choose to already believe cannot transcend it. Ignorance is bliss until it is not. The human race has continued to prove this phenomenon since the onset of our existence on practically every belief we have ever conceived. Simply put, so many things are true until they are not; just a flat world principle!
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The truth is that humans contribute only a very minute amount of Co2 into the atmosphere. Let's look at atmospheric composition...roughly 95% is water vapor, and the remaining 5% is comprised of nitrogen, hydrogen, carbon dioxide, etc. Around 1% is carbon dioxide, and less than 5% of that is estimated to have anthropogenic origins. Trying doing a little research, for once.
Glacial melting is another misunderstood concept. Even if a large amount of Earth's ice does melt, the water levels will not be significantly affected because the majority of the glacier is already under water. Look up the basic principles of water tension, or do SOMETHING to back up the ridiculous things you say.
I am sick and tired of these alarmist attitudes. There are enough real things to be afraid of. Ps, Al Gore is a douche bag.
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whitee4:
Constant components
(proportions remain the same over time and location)
Nitrogen (N2) 78.08%
Oxygen (O2) 20.95%
Argon (Ar) 0.93%
Neon, Helium, Krypton 0.0001%
Variable components
(amounts vary over time and location)
Carbon dioxide (CO2) 0.038%
Water vapor (H20) 0-4%
Methane (CH4) trace
Sulfur dioxide (SO2) trace
Ozone (O3) trace
Nitrogen oxides (NO, NO2) traceHere is a correct breakdown of earths atmosphere. CO2 levels are now at 362 parts per million and on the rise. Fact. CO2 contributes to more of the suns reflective rays being trapped in the atmosphere. Fact. Ice history shows a direct relationship between CO2 levels and tempreture levels. Fact Glacial melting contributes to rising oceans, Icebergs do not. Glaciers that are land based and melt contributes to rising oceans. Fact. Now go do some research that you claimed to have done and get your facts straight.
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tommic
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tommic:
Ice history shows a direct relationship between CO2 levels and temperature levels because as the temperature increases the big blue wet thing that covers two thirds of the surface of the planet releases more CO2
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Uelthomas
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tommic
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Uelthomas:
actually the Oceans absorb CO2 and they are increasing in acidity levels because of that absorbing property. If left unchecked in another hundred years or so the oceans will have an acid level equal with battery acid. CO2 an H2O= acid
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tommic
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whitee4:
Another one who fails to see the big picture here. FYI, just through deforestation and industrial agricultural practices alone, which last I knew HUMANS had a hand in, we could save at least 50% of carbon emissions on this planet if we had a major reforestation effort taking place with a shift back to sustainable agricultural methods, which also in the end is simply healthier for all species. So don't sit there and pontificate to me. Humans are indeed contributing to the effects we are now seeing, and also FYI, that ice beneath the water, you know, that perennial thick ice is now also melting which is why the waters are warmer thus causing more ice melt. Perhaps you need to do a bit more 'research' yourself. And as for your attack on Al Gore, that clinched the motive of your screed and will be filed where it belongs.
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JanforGore
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Uelthomas:
Oceans absorb Co2. So much so now that coral reefs are dying because of calcification. The acidity of our oceans is a crucial and urgent problem that scientists are calling for addressing due to the fact that because of it the food chain that sustains life on Earth is now in peril.
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JanforGore
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whitee4:
Just one comment. Glacial melting IS a misunderstood concept, mainly by you. If every bit of the ice in the Arctic melted I agree, the ocean levels would not rise at all. However, if the ice in Greenland melts, (which it is), the ocean levels will rise. The difference is that Arctic ice sits on water and already displaces an amount of water equal to the volume of ice. On the other hand the ice on Greenland sits on LAND, and does not displace any water, until it melts and flows into the ocean. If all the ice in Greenland melts, ocean levels will rise about 23 feet.
Another nasty effect of both ocean AND land based melting ice is that it introduces trillions of gallons of fresh water, into a saline environment that can interrupt something called thermohaline circulation. To keep a long definition short, it's oceanic circulation that is driven by the density difference between salt and fresh water. It's argued this circulation keeps parts of Europe from being plunged into an ice age. So you see, not all these attitudes are "alarmist". I recommend you take a few basic courses in physics and climatology before commenting on a subjects as complex as global warming and glacial ice melt.
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Mark701
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Monkey Films, what is the total amount of CO2 is injected into the atmosphere on a yearly basis? Second, of that total, what percentage is contributed by human beings? Third, what computer model(s) are you using to evaluate how the quantity of CO2 added to the atmosphere by humans does or does not impact the environment? What are the input parameters of that model? I'm sure you're aware that input data for computer models are generated by hundreds of thousands of hours of field study, the purpose of which is to collect empirical data to input into the models. Which studies were the empirical data taken from? Who did the studies and finally who funded them? I'm guessing you don't know. So I have to assume that you've heard a point of view you agree with and are repeating here without really knowing how that information was gathered and analyzed.
The fact is 99.99999999% of the people on the planet can't answer these questions. Even I can't answer all of them. However as a scientist I do know that good science is a self correcting exercise via the scientific method. What scientists do well is scrutinize each others data and conclusions by asking all (and many more) of the same kinds of questions above. If there are errors, which there always are, they get pointed out, and the corrected information is incorporated into an updated hypothesis. So, until an issue is definitively answered, the only thing one can look at is how the information trends. With regard to the global climate, the "trend" points to global warming that is being caused, or at the very least, strongly influenced by human activity.
I agree that global warming happens with or without humans. However humans inject 22 billion tons of CO2 on an annual basis. Some is absorbed by the oceans and plants, but not all. The remaining amount adds to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere. So even if you believe the world is warming naturally, we are contributing to the situation in an unnatural way will likely cause some very nasty results on top of what would otherwise happen. Also keep in mind that humans are actively causing deforestation of one of the largest plant CO2 absorbers on the planet, the Amazon Jungle and the rate of adsorption of the oceans is decreasing due to the oceans becoming more acidic.
Finally one last question. If you are right and humans are not affecting global warming, what harm does it do to try to cut back on emissions? The air will be cleaner, our energy supply will end up being greener, we'll be less dependent of foreign oil etc. We lose nothing by making the earth a better place to live.
However, if I'm right, humanity faces a slow extinction. Your choice. - 2 years ago
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Mark701:
Appealing to logic from those who are illogical is a lesson in absurdity. Those who do not believe should be the ones to pay the most in the end. After all it will have been their fault for refusing to believe what is going to happen and stymieing climatechange legislation. I'll bet if that were the case they'd all be willing to act now instead of later..
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tommic
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OK CAP N TRADE- Dumb idea. But we need to do something!!! We cannot sit here and be angry that money is to be made on Green businesses. WE NEED TO MAKE MONEY OF GREEN IDEA'S AND BUSINESSES!! WHY IT WILL HELP THE WORLD OUT OF THIS RECESSION!!
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Jahvega
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Jahvega:
cap n trade would lead to corruption and possibly financial (and environmental) crisis.
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PigFarmington:
No shit!. Is it any coincidence that creating a Carbon credit based financial market was the solution proposed to solve the global warming apocalypse?
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Dagum
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tommic
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As a nation we buy life insuance, health inurance, disability insurance, car insurance. Why are people so opposed to what is in essence buying insuance to thwart climate change that is upon us. Proactive action now will prevent reactive response later. We can pay now or pay later, but pay we will one way or another. To deny that is paramount to incompetence. Should we fail to purchase the insurance now ie; supporting climate change legislation, we will certainly pay a much higher price later. Europes little ice age came about in as little as ten years with the collapse of the Atlantic conveyer system that keeps Europe warm and the equatorial region from heating up more than it is today. pay now or later its your choice but reactive responses in the future will be futile, it will be too late.
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tommic
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Personally I don't like, or trust any movement, where they finish any information with "those with an ideological agenda or who are paid to have one will never admit to the reality of what is now going on" or similar. Why are we not allowed to be sceptical, ask questions, actually debate it properly without disregarding each others "facts", opinions, or instincts. I personally trust my instincts to tell me when not to jump on the bandwagon and this is most definetly a bandwagon sent rolling purely for a political purpose.
I blame Thatcher because she appointed her original energy expert as head of environment when she was elected.
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Uelthomas
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Uelthomas:
No 'MOVEMENT' posted this. I can think and observe for myself. And what questions do you then have about this? You dispute the ice caps are melting? You dispute the consequences of that? If you have questions ask them then, don't crucify me for my opinions which are just as valid as yours. I personally don't trust those who make such comments without backing them up.
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JanforGore
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JanforGore:
Okay, but any cause that has at its forefront two films called "an inconvenient truth" and "the age of stupid" is obviously going on the counterattack for anyone who questions, calling sceptics either stupid or in denial, I don't like that, being force fed facts isn't how you learn, you question.
Question 1. How can you be sure CO2 is the problem and not a product of natural warming? There are plenty of theories concerning the cycles of hot and cold periods that this planet experiences, why is a gas that has had varying ratios in the atmosphere over history being held as the driving force behind climate changes.
Question 2. How can you be sure that in the long run this period of warming won't have benefits the doomsayers have missed? My personal thoughts on this is that a little flood and a CO2 rich atmosphere will do wonders to rejuvenate plantlife and add more diversity in animals.
Yes I do question the consequences of the ice caps melting, mostly theses consequences are modelled out as worst case scenarios, and I know that some sections of the species have let themselves go a little but if we can't pull through a little bad weather than we aren't as hardy as we used to be.
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Uelthomas:
you can deny facts as long as you like it is your right. But people like you who feel it necessary to fight people who wish to fight climate change should be the ones to pay the financial cost when the shit hits the fan, So keep on denying the truth as long as you like, your just like an ostrich with its head in the sand because it dosen't know what to do
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tommic
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Uelthomas:
I guess women sufferage movement wasn't worth it right?
How about the civil rights movement ? Bad Idea?
Vietnam protesters were a movement that changed a nation!
Movements move people off their collective asses to do something
Learn a little history and understand what movements are about and what they've accomplished in our history. - 2 years ago
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tommic
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Climate Change happens with or without humans. Paying Al Gore and some bankers to set up a carbon trading scam where the worst polluters pay their way out of 'going green' will do nothing but make 'those with agendas' richer.
The Scientific truth is that we add just a minute fraction of the CO2 in the atmosphere and make absolutely no difference in this. The Earth warmed and cooled before we were even here. The only thing we can do is quit building near the oceans and adapt as humans and animals have done many times over in the past.
All things 'green' are great in my book. However, carbon trading scams are not 'green', the opposite if anything. It's obvious from the article that this is being pushed by those on the left with an agenda to make money off of this. Don't give your money to anyone who won't guarantee that they will work with corporations to force them to decrease emissions. Don't give your money to anyone who won't stop the wars, the biggest cause of pollution on the planet.
Stop the wars, fix the problem, it's that easy. Why not use the 'war' money to fix the problem? Oh, because they want the war and your money, almost forgot. Give me a break with the BS if you're not willing to take the steps necessary to make an impact.
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Monkey_Films:
This isn't about carbon trading scams. And the only scientific truth here is that you are ignorant of it.
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JanforGore:
of course your not ignorant..you paid for your information
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Monkey_Films:
You failed science didn't you. If the earth changes but a few degrees LIFE on earth will be jeopardize!! The fact that the CO2 effect not only the air, but the oceans; which is why coral refs are dying - will lead to a change reaction in our food change, killing off millions of fish, which will kill off millions of larger animals including humans. This problem is not just in the air!!!
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JanforGore:
I am actually highly educated on the subject, Jan, probably more so than you, which is obvious in the way you keep following the 'movement' even when they change their numbers, the data, get arrested, charged with crimes of manipulating and lying, change the title of the movement, change the title of the 'Science', and change the name of the scams they want to run on us. You are helping out your own enemy. These people have used cult recruitment techniques to bury some of you deep within the rabbit hole. So deep that you can't seem to understand throwing money at a bank doesn't stop climate change. Nothing will, we are not that important, we only think we are. The Earth could give two hoots about us and what we're doing because that's how much we affect climate. This is the only proven 'science' out there on the subject. Our addition of CO2 is fractional to the full amount out there and in NOOOO WAYYY is causing change. Change causes change, the Earth has done it since the beginning and we need to get off our high horse in thinking that we control everything. You're silly Jan, don't make much sense, scientifically, but fun to read anyway. Oh, and Jahvega and Jan, challenge my knowledge of this and Science, I dare you. You'll lose everytime. I just want the truth to prevail, this is not what Al and his friends want, they use psychology to get a trend going to invent new ways for themselves to make money. That is what this is and you can't prove any different but you keep trying, so Kudos for that.
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Monkey_Films:
there are facts everywhere YOU choose to not acknowledge them. You think you are smart but the evidence of a really smart person is the ability to learn, something you haven't mastered yet. 362 part per million of CO2 in the atmosphere is FACT and in no way could that level have been reached without the industrial revolution and man buring fossil fuels. Its not cow farts, or volcanos( which the world is actually in a dormant state compared to where we've been) so just keep acting like your smart we all know what you are and it isn't smart.
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tommic
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tommic:
You think you're smart but you are just regurgitating information you've heard and don't really understand yourself. What's that?
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Monkey_Films
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tommic
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Monkey_Films:
I know I'm smarter than you
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tommic
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Monkey_Films
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tommic:
Oh, okay then, you go boy! If you say so I guess it must be true. Damn nice to meet you, Genius. I'll be watching them there posts of yours so I can someday be one of them there smart people.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films:
No, you are not educated on this subject because you never discuss it. All you do is rant on and on about your conspiracy theories. That isn't knowledge, that is paranoia.
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GodsnLiberals:
HAHA get your "your, you're, and yore" right
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you whiny crazy liberals need to stop coming in here with your sound logical fact based stories. don't you know that climate change was dispelled since some scientist in Britain fudged some numbers? don't worry about the ice shelves completely disappearing. just go merrily on your way and make damn sure you don't regulate the corporations that pollute and poison our environment. move along, nothing to see here.
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diabolical44:
I get your sarcasm and agree, but just to clear up, I am not any political label. This should not have been made a partisan poltiical issue. Once that happened it only demeaned its importance and urgency.
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JanforGore
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PigFarmington
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Ha... no honest, logical rebuttals from the teabag gallery? What a shocker!
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PigFarmington:
they'll never let the facts get in the way of their preconceived notions.
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diabolical44
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diabolical44:
facts are for "liberals"
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PigFarmington:
I think you need to get Al Gore''s nuts out of your mouth first before I shove mine down your throat.
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Dagum:
intelligent... you're really saying something here.
proof you don't read is apparent. - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington
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mattvermont
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Thanks JanforGore for keeping it real...I have about given up on this site.
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mattvermont
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mattvermont:
Hey, we have to band together to challenge the crap in my view. WAY too much of it of late.
- 2 years ago
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JanforGore
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rottentomatoes
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So what? Good.
Its time we Break the Ice w/ Mother Nature. CHEERS!
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PigFarmington
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It's funny that a theory cannot evolve in the eyes of those who don't want to believe it.
When Copernicus theorized the heliocentric solar system, though true, he wasn't 100% accurate.
Theories always change when new data is collected. That's why global warming is now considered climate change. Sure, I know that's hard to understand by the mundane, but if you think really, really hard, maybe you'll get it.
Yes the planet is getting hotter. But retards don't understand that winter is still cold (for now) and when it gets below freezing it causes snow. Sure I can regurgitate basic precipitation principals, like the fact there there's been so much snow this year is actually supportive of the planet warming. But those who don't want it to be true, won't read it, nor will they care. (Warmer upper atmospheric air causes moisture, WARMER! IT'S WARMER!)
It's ironic that you play the role a crusading against businesses who may profit off global warming prevention, when so many established powers profit off the pollution that causes CO2. It called capitalism, if it's not air or sunshine, someone somewhere can make money off of anything!!! - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington
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Dagum
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PigFarmington:
Hey tampon boy,
Your period blood is dripping all over this thread .Guess what? One of the former priests (Professor Phil Jones Director UN's CRU ) has escaped the cult.
http://current.com/items/92148723_climatechange-bombshell-un-cru-director-profes...
Orginal transcirpt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stmPlug up your leak before you get back to me.
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Dagum
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Dagum:
Insightful...
1 guy. I'll find you more that believe in a geocentric universe.
**Geocentric is the idea Earth is the center of the universe and/or solar system. - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington
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JanforGore
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=national
January 2010 temperatures.
Excerpt:
"National Overview:
Temperature Highlights - January
•The January 2010 temperature for the contiguous United States was 31.1 degrees F, which is 0.3 degrees above the long-term average.
•The cold arctic air that dominated the contiguous U.S. in late 2009 moderated by the middle of January, creating a nationally-averaged temperature that was near the January long-term mean.
•The prevailing upper-level pattern held temperatures below normal in the Central, South, and Southeast climate regions. Meanwhile, the Northwest climate region experienced its fifth warmest January on record. The West and Northeast regions were also above normal in terms of average temperature.
•The western ridge and eastern trough pattern was well defined on the state level, where temperatures were much above normal in Washington and Oregon; each experiencing their fourth warmest January. Idaho and Maine also observed much above normal temperatures. Conversely, a vast area east of the Rocky Mountains were below normal in terms of temperature. Florida had its tenth coolest January, the third consecutive below normal January for the state.
•Based on NOAA's Residential Energy Demand Temperature Index (REDTI), the contiguous U.S. temperature-related energy demand was 1.3 percent above average for January."
_____There is more to this than just one snow event in your neighborhood. There are many factors that go into calculating temperatures to determine long term climate trends. Upper atmosphere temperatures, surface temperatures, ocean temperatures (which are now warmer and affecting the amount of water vapor in the air through evaporation) that bring on extreme storms which can be rain or snow. A storm is a storm. It isn't just about rain, and again, the key words are extreme events and trends.
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JanforGore:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/winter/2010-02-24-mongolian-winter_N.htm
kinda hard to convince these people of "global warming"..there are changes indeed bu you cannot coin it as global warming (because its not getting warm) there is a climate shift perhaps??
this global warming idea sold to you people by al gore had netted gore and his croonies millions if not billions of dollars and a lot of power...
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GodsnLiberals:
No point arguing with someone who refuses to educate themselves.
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GodsnLiberals:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-10-06-caribou-herds-d...
Exact same news source. Your bs posts are meaningless. Does my post above prove to you anything?
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If it's a really cold winter, it's climate change. if it snows a lot, it's climate change! If it's a hot summer, then, you guessed it, it's climate change. we're doomed. let's just be more conscientious and freaking stop Iran from developing WMD's!
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dwb2585
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Its funny how it has gone from "global Waming" to "Climate Change." Just call it what it is: Bullsh*t taxes.
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PigFarmington
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dwb2585:
Wave that teabagged flag!
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mcjk
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dwb2585:
Go on. Do explain.
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mcjk
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PigFarmington
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mcjk:
There's nothing to explain. The sources these people absorb ideas from give them none.
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PigFarmington:
oh yeah, politicians are a great source of info, moron
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dwb2585:
NASA atmospheric scientists, professors in meteorology are not politicians.
Where are you getting your info? Private citizen Palin? - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington:
haha -3. You teabaggers love sticking together!
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PigFarmington:
so pigfarm, you actually believe taxing the people while letting the major polluters run rampant is the answer? if you do, that is where the lobotomy comes in.
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PigFarmington:
oh and just because I don't believe the government can fix "climate change" with taxes does not make me a right-wing extremist or a teabagger. I think Palin is a waste of skin and I also voted for Obama. Turn off your TV and read some bills @ whitehouse .gov. Dont just spout out what you here from the talking heads, it is VERY obvious.
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i guess that explains the 2 freak snowstormz that blew thru Texas thiz week lol
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Now the Current staff has decided to feature this just added pro-global warming story on the front page when the climategate story stood at the number one spot in the news for over eight hours and wasn't featured?
wow it’s good to know that picking stories to feature is entirely based on staff member biases and nothing contrary to their biases will ever make the cut.
Thank you Current staff for reminding us again that the world is melting and we will be living in a scene from the movie Water world within a few years
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Dagum
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PigFarmington
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Dagum:
do you know what entropy is?
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PigFarmington:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/winter/2010-02-23-snow-storm-impact_N.htm
what do you call a person who sells the idea of global warming during a snowstorm??????????
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PigFarmington:
Do you know what a lobotomy is?
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GodsnLiberals:
Thank you for proving my point "The sources these people absorb ideas from give them none [none meaning empirically collected supportive data that climate change doesn't exist."
I'm sure you're aware of the problems the winter Olympics is facing in Vancouver... temperature problems...their winter weather is more spring-like. Now judging by your logic that would counter-balance your picture of snow.
http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/71892.htmlIt's funny that picture is from the new England winter storms. Is it supposed to prove that it still snows? I don't believe I have made that argument that it no longer does. Numerous times I've mentioned that more precipitation is caused by warmer atmospheric temps. So it's obvious that you don't even read what you are responding to. I'd have an easier time arguing with a child.
So thanks again for proving my point that stubborn ignorant morons don't compute information they don't like. You and most of the people here who agree with you present no logic other than it snowed in winter. The Earth isn't that simple just because your simple mind cannot process complex ideas. - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington
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dwb2585:
Oh snap. That theres a big ol' word! Lobotomy ... wow!
mcjk:
"Go on. Do explain."
You going to get around to doing this? - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington:
You make this statement, pigfarmington.../You and most of the people here who agree with you present no logic other than it snowed in winter/// after you claimed in the same post that spring like weather in Vancouver proves something./// Did you know that weather varies yearly and freakish weather happens somewhere every year. This is all documented scientific fact. So, any example using weather has to be done over a very long period of time. This has been done, scientifically, and it proves that WE don't cause Climate Change, the Earth does that. Oh, except for the few scientists, who shouldn't be allowed to use that title any longer, that changed numbers to show different.
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Monkey_Films:
I was pointing out the fact that day-to-day weather doesn't prove or disprove climate change. I was also making the point that he/she is selectively choosing news articles. If he/she wants to say GW doesn't exist because it snows, how would you explain the lack of it in the winter somewhere like Vancouver.
A few (90%) of scientists believe... 90% is few? hmmm....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/01/19/eco.globalwarmingsurvey/index.htmlGot anymore pointers you want to pull out of your ass?
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exactly what corporation is trying to $ell us the "idea" of global warming? i for one see no globally disastrous consequences of people being more conscientious. Stop driving your car and tell me you don't see a benefit in your health, attitude, finances, sense of community, and the air around you. Start recycling and being efficient with energy and tell me it doesn't do the same thing. I don't understand how, if there is even a POSSIBILITY of us humans causing the breakdown of this planet, people can be so blase about it.
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teej028:
"benefit in your health, attitude, finances, sense of community, and the air around you"
Because some people don't care about these things.
health - in america? Obviously people could careless.
attitude - i truly believe some people lust for misery.
finances - people with them more often would sacrifice a little more for what's easier.
sense of community - those are constructed everyday for the sake of anything. look at the anti-global warming page.
air around me - looks just as clear as the day before.
My heart wants to agree with your post, but my brain answers it with pessimism.
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teej028:
The banks are creating a huge market of carbon offsets out of thin air in the name of "climate change". They sell them to corporations who DONT want to cut back on polluting. I agree with being conscientious but I don't agree with how the government is handling this. It is a scam!! we have all been scammed before by the SAME people! It is insane to think they are done!
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Dagum
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http://current.com/items/92206067_climategate-worlds-biggest-story-everywhere-bu...
Its amazing how an anti -global warming article just disappeared from current when it was number one in the news less than 30 minutes ago. And now its replaced by global warming propaganda. Current staff anything to say about that? Didn’t like the picture of Al Gore?
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Dagum
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Dagum:
Nice spam, hack.
If we want to read this post we will read it. - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington:
Stop bitching and block or ignore it if you don't want to read it because I am still posting even if you are bleeding from your pussy.
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Dagum:
Nothing was replaced. I posted a story about the truth and REALITY about what is going on in Antarctica in relation to global warming, and actually, articles about climate change are not usually featured here at all. This however, is NEWS because it relates to a part of Antarctica that previously had not been known for the retreat we are seeing now, and it is now happening both there and in the Arctic. And contrary to the misinformed politically motivated BS that was posted in that thread with NO NEWS, there is no political or ideological rhetoric or target attached to this. I then suggest you take your sour grapes, smash them, and drink down the whine.
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PigFarmington
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Dagum:
Your post on this thread is spam. I did read it. Bias garbage. It's not news its an opinion.
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PigFarmington
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JanforGore:
Editorials and news is the same thing to douche (tea)baggers.
They don't understand the scientific method, or the fact that the majority of global warming data is peer reviewed and placed under scrutiny before it's opened to the public.
They think that anyone anywhere with an opinion in a scientist. - 2 years ago
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Dagum:
This is news. That article was opinionated drivel. Even still it made it to the top, so why are you complaining?
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mcjk
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JanforGore:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/winter/2010-02-24-northeast-winter-storm_...
sorry nobody is listening..they are all too busy digging themselves out of a SNOWSTORM..*HAHAHAH*
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PigFarmington:
kinda hard to prove your point when people are too cold to comprehend your idea of global warming..
let me guess..your wearing a thick winter jacket right now..(hahahha)
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GodsnLiberals
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Dagum:
Best picture I've seen of him yet. Hope an asteroid hits him out there.
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mcjk:
blogs are not news!!! they don't have methods to check sources. bloggers aren't vetted, they can be anyone. Just because someone agrees with an opinion about a current event doesn't mean it's news.
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mcjk
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PigFarmington:
Uhm, think you responded to the wrong person here.
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obamaisajoke:
That argument is so naive. Look at the atmospheric make-up of Venus. Then look at what coal power plants and fossil fuels emit. >Co2 the more energy released into the atmosphere.
Look at the dinosaurs? Well... did dinosaurs have the technology to track and intercept asteroids? Obviously not.
When I hear this argument I always think. If a baby was choking would you not do what you could to prevent he/she from dying? Your logic would lead me to believe you wouldn't. C'est la vie, right?
So next time there's a flu pandemic like in 1918, we should just pretend it's not there.I just want to know what companies are raking in the cash on an idea politicians don't like believing.
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PigFarmington:
Even though Gore cashes in, he still helps out - choose your evil...here are some articles and figures...This is the main article which shows the dichotomy of
Gore’s Dual Role as both 'Advocate and Investor' (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html)'Al Gore may become world’s first carbon billionaire'
(http://www.carbonoffsetsdaily.com/news-channels/usa/al-gore-may-become-worlds-fi...)'Carbon Credits Explained'
Understanding the system and logic (http://www.savetheplanet.co.nz/carbon-wave-power.html)I am sure ther are more companies and indivuduals cashing in, the question is, are they helping, hindering, or causing hysteria?
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bethopea:
It's called america. Someone somewhere is cashing in on anything and everything. You cannot base your opinion on an idea simply because it's profitable.
My argument is that people say GW doesn't exist because someone is making money off of it... I hear it as if someone isn't making money off the alternative.
BTW: all your links have to do with 1 person. Al Gore didn't invent the idea of greenhouse gases causing GW. You're sure others are cashing in... I'm sure they are. That's capitalism!
It's funny you can't name any, but I can name about 10 cashing in on the status-quo off the top of my head:Exxon
Royal Dutch Shell
GE
Chevron
BP
Citgo
Frontier Oil
The states of AK and TX
Every car company in the world
Marathon Oil
The gov. of VenezuelaThat's 11!
It doesn't matter is someone cashes in. Aside from GW, studies have shown emission from cars and coal plants is toxic. Why is clean air/energy so awful?
It's been implanted into the heads of the masses that oil is necessary, meanwhile, the planet is running out of it. So... we should have no alturnative when we run out? We should just say "oops wish we would have done something sooner" with our thumbs up our asses.?
Look... I hate Al Gore too, but it doesn't mean he's wrong! - 2 years ago
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PigFarmington:
yup - you just asked for an example and I gave you one I actually have referenced before =D and AG is the one I know of who has profited the most as an individual shareholder...never said he's bad, never said he's good - right or wrong...just thought of him first 'tis all and made the argument that the end does or does not always justify the means.
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bethopea
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bethopea:
I asked for a company, not Al Gore, a politician.
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Ihatethemall
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Hope no one gets to close to the edge
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Ihatethemall
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Ihatethemall
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This just in........Moon landing was faked
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Ihatethemall
