Arizona Rep.: Blacks Better Off as Slaves

Maybe, but trying to draw a comparison between slavery (coerced) and abortion (uncoerced), as Franks did, projects the image of a weak-minded individual who's more swayed by emotion than rational thought, and hence is equally WILLING to sway others via emotion vs rational thought.

So as a voter, I'd pass on this guy, if only because he comes off as a bit of a right-wing pro-lifer, one of those "screw the facts, as it's God's work I'm doing" types. FAIL.

Yeah, that's what Jesus recommended. You know what happened to him, right? :)

he never existed so it doesn't matter nor effects me

Yeah, that statement about how "half of all black children are aborted" strikes me as very suspect. Doesn't pass the sniff test? Wonder what his source is for THAT claim? Rushbo?

You really believe that? Then go to these sites:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348649,00.html
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/09/abortion-statistics.html
I did find 2 sites claiming whites had more abortions, which I didn't include because one was more then 10 years old, and the second was just weird, claiming whites had 60% of America's abortions, but blacks were three times as likely to abort a fetus, and hispanics twice as likely, which would mean 360% of the female population in America were having abortions. Weird right?

So I found the Guttmacher study, which indicated that 43% of pregnancies for blacks ended in abortion (35% for Pacific Islanders/Asians, 25% for Hispanics, and 18% for Whites). So not quite "half" as the Senator claimed, but close enough.... Just wondering where his concern is for all the Asian and Hispanic abortions, as well?

The study found that while more white women had abortions, black women were more likely to use abortion as a form of birth control, i.e. have MULTIPLE abortions. So while more whites overall had abortions, they were more likely to have only ONE abortion, and then use birth control. While black women were less likely to have abortions, those that did so were more likely to have multiple abortions.

All of which is interesting, but leaves me with a big "SO WHAT?" Does this imply racial genocide? Are humans, regardless of race, on the verge of extinction? Hardly.

Bottom line: until these right-wing pro-lifers are willing to personally accept the expenses of raising all of these otherwise-aborted babies until they reach the age of 18, without inflicting ANY of the costs on the rest of us (via taxes to pay for social welfare programs), I say they should butt out and not inflict their moral and religious viewpoints on MY pocketbook. They want to save babies as their religious viewpoint, then they should PAY for it, not me.

Furthermore, they need to ensure they're providing loving and caring guidance and role models so the otherwise-aborted children don't grow up to become amoral criminals who'd kill you without so much as a blink. If the natural mother decides not to bring the child into the world, then good luck if you're willing to 2nd guess HER decision, and force her to bring a child into the world against her will....

*farting noises*

Yeah, the headline saying how "blacks were better off under slavery" is NOT anything Franks actually said in the clip.... As you say, it's inflammatory and intended to manipulate.

Thanks, but there's no need to over-reach, folks: there's enough ugliness in the World without needing to add "writer's embellishments" to the story. (like Bill Corcoran has done, too) Vote it down, folks, as fantastic editorializing only undermines your OWN credibility.

"People are entitled to their own opinions, but are NOT entitled to make up their own FACTS".

Thank you for reading, watching and commenting on this subject.

If YOU had been paying attention, you would see this video has already been posted but everyone is too damned impatient to scroll down to where the conversation started.
I voted you down just for not paying attention.

You're not seeing anything racist in the comment is easy to understand. The comment does not affect you.. You're not Black and your ancestors probably were not slaves in this country over 200 years ago. You neighborhood probably doesn't bare the scares of institutionalized racism and oppression that Black people have experienced for over the last 400 years.

Why should you see anything 'racist per se' in his comment ? It doesn't affect you, so it really doesn't even exist to you.That's a racist mindset within itself. If you don't see it , it really doesn't matter. I can't tell an Asian, Arab, or Hispanic what is, what should or should not be deemed as a racist comment to any of them, especially if I'm a part of a race that made up all of the rules for everybody else. The ruling party (people) has always had a hard time accepting his wrongs. He's always been too busy pointing the finger, and playing judge and jury for everyone, kind of like what you and some others are trying to do on this topic. You've given yourself permission to determine what is and isn't offensive to other people and their cultures.

What does that make you ?

What does that have to do with anything?

Yeah, technically it's called a "non sequitur", which means tommic's comment has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, as Mariased said.

I generally prefer to express this same sentiment with the more traditional and time-honored expression, "what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?" It tends to distract your opponent, as they try to figure it out. :)

When they inevitably come back and post a sputtering stream of profanity, it means you've won the verbal judo contest. :)

Or "What does that have to do with milk and ducks?"
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THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!
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Read my response to moonloon.

I don't get why this comment was "-'d". You should absolutely need to have understanding of the past if you intend to lead the future. +'d

It was probably because he's white. Go ahead and vote me down, you know it's true.
Don't be drinkin' that Haterade.

None for me thanks. I'm not thirsty.

Excuse me? Rightfully resentful? Slavery was abolished in 1865. Now if they're resentful over racism, then that's understandable. Where's the pity for prostitutes, who are, for all intents and purposes, slaves? Why isn't anyone getting pissed off about the fact that nearly all anti-abortion movements are exclusively white and republican? Why isn't anyone resentful towards the Planned Parenthood employees caught on tape welcoming donations specifically for aborting black children? What about the fact that abortion clinics are more heavily concentrated in black neighborhoods? What about Planned Parenthood's reaction to the super bowl ad that featured 2 black athletes discouraging abortions with a commercial of their own featuring Sean James and Al Joyner? Rep. Trent Franks was making an observation more on abortion, not slavery.
I'm actually pro-choice, but when I saw that 40% of the USA's abortions are performed on black women who make up only 18% of the population, I said to myself,"Gee, what's up with that?"
And I guess it could be something other then policy, like the higher rates of sexual violence in the black community, but is that really all?

Point of correction: slavery was abolished 100 years before (in 1865). No doubt a typo, but just checking. :)

Thanks. I will fix that. Voted up for good looking out.

I dare say from an economic standpoint, slavery makes no sense nowadays: the 'owner' is forced to provide housing, health care, food, etc. in essence having to take care of their property, and assuming the risk of catastrophic loss (illness, etc).

Instead, allowing people the "right" to fend for themselves allows a businessman to hire people as needed, but not assume the burden of maintaining them as "their" property. The only way slavery makes sense from an economic sense is if it's conducted in such a merciless capitalistic manner than it becomes nothing more an inhuman exercise in cost-cutting (much like how raising cattle is a business).

The MAIN reason Bush was for illegal immigration (despite 9/11 security concerns about porous borders) was simple: cheap labor sources favor big business, pure and simple.

The easiest way to break labor was simply to allow tons of illegals to live in-country, also giving employers the benefit of shifting health-care costs to ERs and taxpayers (via social service agencies).

However, now that our economy is tanking, many illegals are heading home: without a job, there's no possibility (or reason) to stick around.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment, 60% of human trafficking is for sex slaves. These numbers are hard to estimate because there is always trouble measuring illegal activities, but in 2001, the FBI estimated 700,000 women and children were trafficked worldwide, UNICEF estimated 1.75 million, and the International Organization on Migration (IOM) merely 400,000. In 2001, the UN drastically changed its own estimate of trafficked people in 2000 -- from 4,000,000 to 1,000,000. Other sources (albeit unconfirmed ones) claim it to be more along the lines of 25 million.
And if you've read any of the survivor stories, it seems the buyers aren't too interested in the health of their slaves.

Thanks for elaborating

Slavery was abolished in 1965, don't you know? So a lot of those people were killed as the result of prejudice, not slavery. And before you get all pissy on me (again) I was just making an observation.

The mere fact that you don't think that he was being racist shows me just how low consciousness, moral fiber and lack of social awareness has really dipped in America. You don't have a fucking clue as to just how bad slavery was in America 200 and 300 years ago or how bad Black people have it right now in America.

Who told this jackass that he's qualified or has the right to speak for Black people, whether it be in regards to our past, the present or the future ? I don't care how bad we have it now, nothing compares to just how bad slavery was. Abortion affect people of all races and from all walks of life. Although slavery did exist all over the planet, it never existed the way it did in America.

slavery is still alive and well in countrys all over the world.this just shows
a little about how jacked up humans are.now try to imagine a world where
we all worked together for mankind.the possibilitys are endless.we fight each other
based on color or for wealth.will we ever leave the stone age

No what I said was--slavery is wrong and basically even though this guy said what he said in a inarticulate and kind of silly way--he DID at least acknowledge he is/was willing to do some independent thinking on the impact of abortion in this country rather than just hauling out the same lame talking points that have always been used before by old white men. Thus while I don't agree with him in the exact details -- I am glad he opened the door for dialogue and a new direction in the discussion of the issue of abortion.

So basically--read and or listen to the actual unedited point HE was trying to make-- and then re-read my comment-- and then if you still don't get it--then that's your issue not mine.

Also whether I am pro-life or pro-choice or whether I am fucked up -- is really none of your business and seriously off topic.

The mere fact that you don't think that he was being racist shows me just how low consciousness, moral fiber and lack of social awareness has really dipped in America. You don't have a fucking clue as to just how bad slavery was in America 200 and 300 years ago or how bad Black people have it right now in America.

First off unless you are over 100 years old yourself--you have no "fucking clue" about slavery 200-300 years ago either.

That and its actually your "low consciousness, moral fiber, and lack of social awareness" that has caused the problem because my point is right or wrong--this guy at least did some research and thought the issue through enough to form an opinion that was not simple repeating the same old lame talking points about abortion that are out there now.

And if anything I am depressed now because I see that I was overly optimistic that his comments would actually spark some interest in this issue and maybe even change the tone and open up a honest debate about the impact of abortion on our society.

I do know. I had great grandparents, that I knew, who had parents that were slaves.

How dare you try and tell me that I don't know my own genealogy. I personally witness the conditions that they lived in and had to endure. You don't know what I've seen or experienced in my lifetime. I'm not some child that blogs irresponsibly on this site.I'm 54 years old.

Fuck you.

everybody Black does not speak on behalf on Black people.

Stupid question.

"You pro'ly" ?

Who do you think you're talking too ?

IT'S OFFENSIVE FOR YOU TO ASSUME THAT YOU KNOW ME LIKE THAT, OR TO THINK THAT I TALK LIKE THAT.

JERK.

The video of the actual interview is one of the first posts by Iammyfathersson. The comment that started this is near the 8 min mark. I got the impression he was really trying to make a point about abortion and not slavery.

Damn straight! Tell these skid marks that they shouldn't be so injured by perceived slights, and maybe do something about existing problems like modern human trafficking (60% of them are sex slaves), protecting our planet from the random asteroid, the fact that were consuming our planets resources 9 times faster than they can be replenished, I could go on forever and I really don't want to spend that much time on you fools.
OK, I'll admit you're not ALL fools, but still, keithponder just got my panties all twisted in a knot.
*grumble grumble grumble*

He got Moored? Shocking!!!

Help me start a new word "Moored - to be taken out of context or edited in a way as to misrepresent your meaning in the favor of a hypocritical Liberal/Progressive agenda"

How do you qualify yourself to agree that Black people were better off as slaves than we are living in America today ?

I guess our freedom is not that important to you.

Tell me exactly where in my comment do you see those words? I checked and they're nowhere in sight. Anyone else see it there? AT ALL? I think that it would be pretty fucking obvious that slavery is a bad thing, but what are you so pissy about? The chances of YOU ever becoming a slave in your lifetime are basically non-existent. Slavery is still around, but more as a sex industry than a source of labor, and I'm guessing from your pic that you're a dude so you have little to worry about. 30% of America's prostitutes are forced into it, but even still, a prostitute is not the same as a sex slave, though not far from it. These numbers are hard to estimate because there is always trouble measuring illegal activities, but in 2001, the FBI estimated 700,000 women and children were trafficked worldwide, UNICEF estimated 1.75 million, and the International Organization on Migration (IOM) merely 400,000. In 2001, the UN drastically changed its own estimate of trafficked people in 2000 -- from 4,000,000 to 1,000,000. Other sources (albeit unconfirmed ones) claim it to be more along the lines of 25 million.
So what the fuck are YOU bitching about? Quit being such a sensitive little bitch and use your head or is REASON not important to you?

Hotline to report human trafficking:866-347-2423

I'm glad you noticed.
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"So what the fuck are YOU bitching about? Quit being such a sensitive little bitch and use your head or is REASON not important to you? "

You're a fuckin' newcomer around here. Your "STANK ASS" doesn't know shit about shit. You've probably got a "Partridge Family, or Eight is Enough" background. You've read and watched TV all of your life, and now you're an expert on speaking on behalf of Black people.

You've disqualified yourself from me ever taking you serious again on anything.

Go back to playing with your Barbie dolls.

WOW, DUDE: take a chill pill.... Stay off the moral high horse, and easy on the stereotyping: it's just as ugly and unbecoming coming from you, and you get no slack in my book.

That ad hominem stuff ain't cool, so you're rapidly moving up my personal ignorant poster roll call list of those not to be taken seriously....

If people can't stick to the fact-based arguments, then don't bother posting. If you can't disagree without becoming disagreeable, then don't go down that road. If you want to sling vitriolic diatribes to vent, then please take it elsewhere: trolls aren't appreciated.

So how does you being critical of my response to her personal attack on my differ from me response ? It doesn't. Not at all.

MYOB and go eat a shit sandwich. fuck your book, fuck your ignorant personal poster,and fuck your slack.I don't need it Your opinion means nothing to me.

You've rapidly move down to the bottom my waste land for shitheads. Your comment is no different than mine or hers was. You're just trying to justify being indignant with some self righteous jibberous.

DAVIDOD is what you go by, you talk a mass amount of shit, but you choose not to reveal your true identity.You really can't even stand up to your own comments. Who in the fuck are you ? Using an alias is like writing a bad check.COWARDS NEVER REVEAL THEIR TRUE IDENTITY TO ANYONE ? The KKK, and all other terrorist groups have always tried to hide behind mask and hoods. It's never worked however. That Wizard of Oz, Boogie Man mindset has always been the true identity of a "COWARD"

Exactly.

A ling is a saltwater fish, excellent eating. "Chittlins" are fried or boiled hog intestines. They taste like noodles or pasta, however, the smell when cooking is terrible, smells like sh8t! Now you know, the rest of the story.

Actually they taste like shit. I finally realized that one day. I was 18 years old. After chewing on these chitterlings for about 20 seconds, I had a moment of clarity. I realized what I was chewing on, and I spit them out into my plate to my father's dismay.

Slaves had to eat the very worst part of the pig. That's all that was leftover by "massa".Whether they knew it or not, and whether we still know it or not, eating watermelon saved them. Watermelon is a diuretic that cleansed they're stomachs and intestines.... so much for watermelon jokes.

God was doing for them what they couldn't do for themselves.

I don't put shit, in any form, into my body today. No drugs, alcohol, hog, processed foods or none of that shit.

I have a choice that slaves didn't have 200 years ago.. I don't have to today.

Yes Keith, they do taste like shit. I ate the boiled version and could barely keep them down, but i did not want to offend my grandmother. My uncle ate the entire plate and wanted more. It is not a dish I would recommend. Corn bread, collard greens or turnip greens, chicken, sweet potatoes, and other garden vegetables were the staple of my life. Beef was a luxury not easily afforded, and rarely eaten and chicken was only served on Sundays. We mostly
ate butterbeans, field peas, squash, cucumbers, tomatoes, and various seasonal garden vegetables, especially watermelons and cantalope in the summer. I never ate a steak and a salad until I was 16 years old. Needless to say I was never very fat!

Actually that's a very healthy diet, rich in antioxidants and vitamins. I'm sure the slave owners thought they were so much advanced, and hence enjoyed their fat-laden foods.

Meanwhile, the wealthy slave-owners were no doubt stuffing their faces and giving themselves hypertension, gout, high cholesterol, etc.

Irony being, advances in equal rights mean blacks are now able to afford the same high-caloric junk food that was out-of-bounds for their ancestors: some progress, eh?

VERY VERY TRUE. THANK YOU

How about this one

Who are the real racists in Washington DC?

On the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, Democrat from Mississippi. Under Eastland's care, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor.

then,

The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of southern Senators led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage.

and,

"On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address (filibuster) that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation (Civil Rights Act of 1964)

Byrd joined the Ku Klux Klan when he was 24 in 1942. His local chapter unanimously elected him Exalted Cyclops.[8]

In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo:[10]
“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Segregationist Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [8][11]

How many lynchin's you think Byrd attended or sponsored?

Not that I expect to change you. But my "cracker" thinking is just that, "Did these people (Democrats - white ones and the house negros educated by the whites on how to manipulate the field negros) just wake up one day and realize instead of having black Americans working our dirt fields, we can have them working our VOTE fields!!" Just thought I might "plant" a thought - what do you think?

With 90%+ of Blacks voting Democrat, they (democrat leaders) must have a real green thumb.

Wikipedia provided most information.

I first read about Robert Byrd in Readers's Digest, about 1968. This little creep politician has influenced U.S. policy for 50 years, to the regret of us all. Yet he still remains in power??? Either West Virginia is populated by the stupidest/racist people on Earth or he has the goods on the behavior of the other politicians in D.C. Yet, as a Democrat sucking the life out of taxpayers , he remains in power. A former KKK member and avowed racist, yet is still in a dominant position of Democratic policies! Hello? is the light on?

They are not dumb, they just find it hard to hide who they really are deep down inside.
The true you always comes out at the most inconvenient times.

Remember former Sen. George Allen calling a South Asian man " Macaca" at one of his rallies.

The true you can be a pain in the ass sometimes.

disaffected, ignorant, racist white folks full of guilt and fear, carrying an inferiority complex of epic proportions.