CBC News - Canada - It is not just women who are the victims of spousal violence
source: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/22/f-vp-smol.html#ixzz0gMn4uWqi
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Nevertheless, much still needs to be done and the biggest challenge, in my view, is what to do about men.
Not men as perpetrators — there we seem to have a handle on things. Rather, I'm talking about the hundred thousand or so confirmed male victims who are, often violently, abused by their female partners every year.
Domestic violence is not a gender-specific reality. Women are capable of hitting, beating, abusing and killing their male partners.
Just how prevalent these attacks are depends on what statistical study you choose to highlight.
But based on what we know, there should be no argument that female violence against men is at least a problem worthy of much greater consideration than we have given it so far.
Gender neutral
According to a large-scale Statistics Canada study in 2005, the likelihood of a man being the victim of violent abuse by his female partner is almost the same as it is for a woman.
A A "red silhouette" campaign to mark the 32 individuals killed by family violence in South Carolina in 2007; 28 of them women. Begun by Minnesota art students in 1990, the campaign has spread to 18 countries, including Canada. (Associated Press)
In this study, an estimated seven per cent of women and six per cent of men surveyed had encountered some form of spousal violence over the previous five years.
This means, StatsCan said, that roughly 653,000 women and 546,000 men considered themselves the victims of violence at the hands of a current or previous spouse or common-law partner, an estimate that was unchanged from an earlier study.
However, if you look simply at cases that are reported to police, the victim profile changes significantly.
In 83 per cent of these cases, women are the victims, according to a different Statistics Canada survey.
There may be a simple reason for this. "Men are less likely to report domestic violence to police than women are, and police are less likely to take male complaints seriously," says Don Dutton, professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia.
As a result, he says, we end up with a reporting system on the subject in which "men are selected out" and then "government agencies say 'look, it is only women who are the victims,' which of course is a self-fulfilling prophesy."
Higher standards of proof
Dutton is no axe-grinder in this debate. He has written extensively about wife assault and the abusive personality, and he has been an expert witness on many occasions, including, notably, for the prosecution in the O.J. Simpson trial in the U.S.
He is also far from the only person in the field who feels this way.
For Erin Pizzey who founded the world's first shelter for battered women in the U.K back in 1971, the reality of female violence against men did not have to wait for the statisticians to sort out and analyze the research.
"Of the first 100 women who came into my refuge, 62 were as violent or more violent than the men that they were leaving," she says. "This was not a gender issue."
It makes you wonder then why more battered men are not coming forward and demanding access to the same resources that women are increasingly seeking out.
Part of the answer there, according to recent research by Denise Hines, a professor of psychology at Clark University in Massachusetts, is that men are often confronted with higher standards of proof when they make a complaint.
All three of the institutions that Hines studied — assault hotlines, domestic violence agencies and police — "blatantly told the men that it was somehow their fault and that they must have been the real batterer," she says.
"As a matter of fact, when the men called the police on their female partners they were just as likely to be arrested as she was."
Off the pedestal
Yes, the male recipient of female-instigated violence might well be a "bastard" and an "idiot."
And, yes, most studies indicate that women experience more severe forms of domestic violence than men. Although here, too, the results can vary significantly depending on how the statistics are compiled, whether through police reports or independent research.
But just as the alleged shortcomings of a female partner should never be used as a rationalization for violence against women, the same should be true when the situation is reversed.
Call me stubborn, but I can't accept any notion that gives women a different moral or legal standing when it comes to domestic violence. In fact, that may be the problem that landed us in this box in the first place.
As things now stand, several provinces offer support to men who are victims of female abuse. But these services have largely been baby steps.
What seems to be holding them back is our society's lingering assumptions about male superiority and, what you might call, chivalry, which remain the single biggest obstacles to resolving domestic violence.
"Men have an extraordinary fear of supporting each other or alienating women," says Pizzey. "The reason why men will not see women for what they are — human like everyone else — is the male need to put women on the pedestal."
The result, she says, is that "we refuse to see domestic violence as a human issue, we insist on seeing it as a political issue. Everything is driven on this hatred of men."
When might it all change?
In my view only when we all climb down from our respective pedestals and see this as a common problem that transcends our he-said, she-said views of the world.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/22/f-vp-smol.html#ixzz0gvGonHIE
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Jahvega
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Well I've seen men get slapped around before. If we do the same we get arrested. I know, for the most of us, we are stronger then women, but that doesn't mean women can't cause a man pain. I wish women could play by street yard rules, I would see them as equals then. Until then, physically men rule.
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Jahvega
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brotherlelo
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Jahvega:
I agree. That is why we have different division. You can not have a fight with a light way and a heavy way. You never see a real men saying "Oh I can not do that because my finger nail Brake"
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brotherlelo
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nursediesel
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My son was dating a lovely girl. After about 6 months they got into a fight out on the patio, she picked up a wrought iron, glass topped table and started throwing at him. She was going to put a hurtin' on him... They were no longer an item after he saw the look in her eye and the upper body strength of that sweet girl!!!!
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nursediesel
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brotherlelo
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Count me on and make 50/50. That woman that I thought was my companion kicked me in my face when I was leaning down to give her a hug. I did not fall to the floor but I got dizzy. I never reported any of her abuses because the Advertising campaign of monthly cycles, and men are natural fighters. We win or loose and accept it as part of a fight although, I never fought back to her, because I never took it as a real fight, to me it was like horsing around. However, when her brother threaten my life and I called the police up, I was arrested because she started crying since she did not wanted to see her illegal immigrant brother arrested and accused me of slapping her. Warning! Don’t ever let it happen to you, she was trying to set me up. She was using that excuse to hurt me. When it happen to you, for the very first time, report it and stay away from her. When somebody hurt you, it is time to open your eyes and record everything.
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brotherlelo
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MotherForTruth
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brotherlelo:
We need a registry of abusive women and every man should look up the registry before first date.
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MotherForTruth
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curtisreed
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brotherlelo:
Wow, that's eerily familiar. I once lived in Costa Rica and dated a girl there that loved to start fights. I can't remember her getting physically violent, it was just verbal and emotional abuse, but her brother got involved once and pulled a knife on me. I laughed at the little bastard because I knew I could take him even with the knife (I was trained in Goju Ryu and Tae Kwon Do, and I could tell the little shit didn't know what he was doing).
But that pretty much ended it for me. However, being in a foreign country added to the danger. A gringo in Latino country has even less of a standing than here. They have their own prejudices and see our nation's beligerant nature as evidence that we are all "violent" so it would have been difficult to demonstrate that she had started a fight and her brother had gotten violent.
Men are definately at a disadvantage and need to be extra careful
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curtisreed
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brotherlelo
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MotherForTruth:
MFT: I think that we the ordinary citizen needs to be trained on how to treat wild animals before even having a first day and that list will be so long that only the few men thinking about tightening the not will be discouraged.
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brotherlelo
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brotherlelo
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curtisreed:
Interestingly, verbal and emotional abuse is used routinely in court to convict men because no proof is needed. I will sleep with an eye open.
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brotherlelo
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common_sense_please
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I like this article and I appreciate that it is not overtly gender biased as some of the other posts on the subject that start off with a headline claiming the woman is in the liar or a bitch and the poor man is an innocent victim--but it irritates me in that the assumption is made that only heterosexual people beat on each other--
"Not men as perpetrators — there we seem to have a handle on things. Rather, I'm talking about the hundred thousand or so confirmed male victims who are, often violently, abused by their female partners every year."
Notice the assumption--its "shocking" or "newsworthy" that women beat men--but its also a gender biased assumption to say that men don't beat their male partners or that women don't beat their female partners.
Imagine how awful it must be to be a man and have to admit you were beaten by a woman--then imagine how much worse it would be to have to admit your abuser was a man as well--because on top of the shame and blame and complete lack of services--you were just "outed" as well and subjected to a bunch more crap and disrespect from law enforcement and the judicial system thanks to the deeply ingrained homophobia in society.
Also its a very common occurrence for women who are the shelter because their female partner is beating them to A. lie and say a man beat them because its just easier than admitting another woman beat them and B. get attacked or assaulted by their abuser while they are in the shelter because of the assumption that women don't beat women there is no protocol to limit a woman's female "friends" from coming into the shelter to visit them or help them.
Once again I will probably be flamed or voted down for saying this but..it is wrong (and illogical and basically feeds the trolls--see telcod's post) to use gender biased statements or language to justify or "prove" your point that gender bias is wrong.
And until we quit allowing gender to play any role whatsoever in how we charge people with the crime of assault we are not going to move on.
And before you ask--I spent several years working in the field of domestic violence--I have a close friend who started the gender neutral program called alternatives to battering which works with the batterer to stop the cycle of violence instead of simply taking the victim out of the situation and allowing the batterer a chance to just go find another victim. I did a masters level thesis survey that looked at ways to address the issue of what happens to male victims of domestic violence and also gay, lesbian, and transgendered victims of violence and I used the results of my research to help raise awareness that nobody deserves to be beaten by someone they loved/trust and to help the Arizona coalition against domestic violence actually implement true gender neutral safe houses and programs for ALL victims of domestic violence.
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common_sense_please
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curtisreed
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common_sense_please:
so what's your friggin' point, other than to toot your own horn?
as a point of fact, it IS currently a "surprise" to many to find out that men are just as likely to be abused by their wives as the other way around, maybe not to you if you really did the work you claim to have done, but to the general public, and certainly to many police forces, that will fly in the face of what we're told on a regular basis.
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curtisreed
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regjoeschmo
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looking at police based statistics will not give you an accurate idea of perpetrators of DV, especially when the laws themselves demand that the man be arrested and charged even if he is the one who is injured.....
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regjoeschmo
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MotherForTruth
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Excellent post, thank you. Men deserve help and protection from abuse from women and unfortunately there is none.
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MotherForTruth
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telcod
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"Hell hath no fury like the wrath of a woman." Somebody said something like that. Personally, I have met abusive and f__ked up women. Same for with men. I personally plan to teach my wife how to shoot. Not the ex-wife though. In general, you might want to think about it in advance in regards to weapon training and women. Just make sure you treat her well and recognize those "certain times of the month" may not come at regular intervals. They could just as easily be triggered (no pun intended) by an airy word from you.
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telcod
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2hellnwait
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telcod:
"Not the ex-wife though.". . I had to chuckle on that comment, epic fail on that experience, eh?
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2hellnwait
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curtisreed
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telcod:
I gave my wife a pistol and a rifle. I make sure she has the pistol on her whenever we are at campgrounds and other locations that are remote and where I might not be able to help her. BTW, she used to shoot competitively so I didn't have to teach her to shoot, I just had to get her her first gun here in the USA (she's a Venezuelan immigrant--LEGAL immigrant--and a Conservative Republican).
I keep reminding her not to carry and not to pull the gun unless she's sure she's going to use it, and she laughs. "Believe me, if I think either I or my kids are in danger, I'll kill the bastard without a look back." I believe her.
Fortunately, she's not violent with me or I might be nervous about her being armed with a deadly weapon!
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curtisreed
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brotherlelo
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curtisreed:
Warning! Wild animals are very unpredictable. Mr. Olympia was gun down by his own woman who happened to be a policewoman too. I have no doubt mine would have used on me if she has had one. I thought that she was the best woman I have ever met.
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brotherlelo
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Conniepae
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I removed it from the 'make marijuana matter' catagory. I don't know who tagged it to the group, but I don't think it belongs there.
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Conniepae
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Conniepae:
Maybe the thought and intent was to convey that more than a few people need to mellow out?
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2hellnwait
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SalvadoreSouza
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this has nothing to do with marijuana and should be taken down
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SalvadoreSouza
