NEWS: SEXUAL ASSAULT OF WOMEN IN MILITARY INCREASES. DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL
source: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html
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Walks in storms... Women haves served successfully for a long time. They do it well. You think that we shouldn't be bothered to teach the men serving that they shouldn't rape women?
Rape and war are not equal. In war, you know your enemy and are trained to defend yourself against them. There's no training on how to not be raped by someone who you get up and work with in 2 hours.
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Walks_in_Storms:
Allow me to clarify your point:
women shouldn't serve because you don't want to bother to teach men to not be douchebags.
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Walks_in_Storms:
You missed my point, actually, but I'm really not surprised. Don't sweat it.
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Walks_in_Storms:
Another aspect is Ike's warning. The country has conducted BS wars, created just to fill pockets, since that time. The wholesale destruction of ethics and morality stemming from this has infected the whole nation. Their children sold our country out for two houses and a golf membership.
So the causes of your lament may be be deep. The feminist roll-out, may be just a small ancillary outcome. - 2 years ago
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Exactly - so a whole generation, now two generations of Americans know - that the wars are fake and for simple, normal, everyday jerks to make money. The world knows it, too.
I believe there are many who would give their lives for our country, if our country were the real stakes.
But when it amounts to crime for profit - dying in war is merely fodder in support of evil.
Your very real declaration of fact above is the reason it doesn't matter. Everything has spun away, undone - loose strings.
Since the US has been stolen, there is, in reality, no country to be concerned for.
But if an enemy, outsiders, were to land here. There'd still be fight.
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Walks_in_Storms:
You nailed it. It all does seem to add up very nicely. It had to have been back in the 50's like you said. World War II must have been quite lucrative and they saw the need to keep that machine going; the profit machine.
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Considering there are "GIs" in the service, there would seem to be little reason to not put biometric chips in them.
Since satellite would know whose is at the same place at the same time, every potentially abusive person would know not to do things they'd get busted for.Or people could wear little necklaces with emergency call buttons - like the medical alert buttons old people wear.
She pushes the button and the serviceman's service center emergency dialog protocol is activated. This could activate a record of who is where at that time - or send help in case of any other emergency specified in the protocol.Or there's always the Roto-Rooter Barge. Sails out but comes back empty.
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Walks_in_Storms:
The purpose of the Military in today's world is not the same purpose of the military in the days you were one of the "few good men". Today's military is to ensure the reaping of profits for American multinational corporation and their investors.
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You are not talking about raped women, you are talking about what it takes to fight.
That's a different subject: are women up to it?
Some are, up to their abilities. There are weak men in the military, also.
And war is stark - could be thought of as potentially psychologically raping. It rapes some, psychologically.
Do we want women, returning, scarred by war?It isn't up to us. The military is chain of command and women are in. That's it.
Maybe it should get more to what you were saying above - that the people themselves need to become stronger and settled. Lose their illusions. Throw off the stupid.
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woman hater big time
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When there is a 'real war' - it might be something to think about. Until then, it's just who wants to slap their arm-chair.
I have done that. And life is short.
You may as well go out and yell at the freeway.
But life is short - and it's best to live it as best can. Arm-chair slapping is not happiness.
Put that sail-boat into kind waters.Cause life is short.
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Businesses write off what they can - big business steers legislation so that monies continue to their contracts.
So that's who runs this country - people who have engineered the flow of money through the government to them. They control the government. It is a process outside and functioning against the Constitution. It's a subversion and perversion of the intent of the founders.
Then, as you point out, most of the rest make their way according to what they can get and what is available.I am not involved in any of that. I got no health-insurance, I got no pension coming and I make every dime myself; and pay every tab, myself.
I'm not doing anything illegal -So I'm not involved in the common world.
But it means I'm alone and I stand outside society. They don't know it but they have been doing without, too.
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If they made rape a part of the recruitment stage, at least women would know what they're getting into.
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indeed, "what does it say if the military can't or won't protect the people we ask to protect us"?
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Walks_in_Storms:
i am quoting the article(your favorite "feminist claptrap").No, my name is not Jesus,you mentioned hell,and
Seriously- it IS most informative, it DOES shed some light on the FUBAR state of the military and nation. - 2 years ago
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This is a very good article friend. If this doesn't change, it will be both women and homosexuals who will never join the military because of fear, even though they want to serve. If these things get fixed, it can only make us stronger.
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manny0409:
Thanks Manny. Bill
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Walks_in_Storms:
Are you trying to defend the men who raped these women because you don't think women should be in the military? What the hell?
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Walks_in_Storms:
I respect what you are saying about the general strength of each sex, you have a small point. What we are talking about here is something different. More along the lines of predator and prey. These women are being attacked when their guard is down by men who are supposed to be protecting each other and them. Rape is about power not sex. It is control and it does happen to men as well, who I would imagine, never tell. As long as this behavior is tolerated and not prosecuted it will continue. Rapists should be branded on the forehead. The damage they inflict is irreversible.
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Walks_in_Storms:
Oh I get it now. Women, because of their smaller size, should carry an equalizer. Or maybe we can put some CIVIL back into civilized.
I still don't see how you give the predator the pass. Is being raped in the army training manual?
Some how it seems like your saying big bad military men can't be expected to work alongside women and not get a little every now and then; however they want. - 2 years ago
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Walks_in_Storms:
If it were shown beyond all doubt that women in the military endanger the nation, would you still demand that there be women in the military? Tell us what your priorities are.
No I would not. My priorities are very peaceful. I am not a soldier but I have a few in my family who would agree with your train of thought. The wars that I have grown up around have had justification issues. Vietnam was my fathers generation. I don't feel all liberal just because I believe in equality; and no one said it would not be messy.
We have chosen a brave new path perhaps the wrong one but here we are. I do not see the difference between a hundred pound man and a hundred pound women. Soldiers are only as good as their commanders demand. Standards and discipline need to be enforced. Illegal wars involving torture and lies to secure the natural resources of another nation for world corporations is not what " defending your freedom" means. These wars have not in anyway made the world safer. If anything they have guaranteed anti american support worldwide.
Don't justify rape to me.
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Walks_in_Storms:
I have considered it. My point, lost to you, is a one hundred pound person against any person of larger size. If a person, male or female, is not up to the strength standards of the job, then they should not have the job.
I am a tree planter. You may not know the physical demands of this job but I can assure you it is one of the toughest you can find. If you are not in supreme condition you will suck. Mans work. I have worked doing this job with women and men. Some can and some can't do the job. For some it is mental, but for most it is the physical stain and constant aerobics that make them fail.
You still have not addressed the predator behavior. I grew up without commercials and still do not have television and I don't need a logician to tell me that being raped by co-workers is alright.
Perhaps you are right about women not being up to the task, but if they are willing and able to kill on command then they should be allowed. I would suggest they carry a little dick and ball remover for the late night rapist. Thank you for your frankness. You are a hell of a teacher weather I agree with you or not. Peace
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Walks_in_Storms:
I suppose a little guy like you has been raped on numerous occasions, right.
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This sounds awful. But the article wasn't very good. Apart from a small selection of hard statistics and statistical guesses, it was mostly generalities and speculation. It would've been interesting to hear from some actual women soldiers currently serving about how they feel about the conditions there and whether they feel intimidated or not- anonymously of course so they can be honest without fear of reprisals. Without that the story isn't much more than filler.
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There are plenty of interviews with women in the military that have been raped on You Tube. I posted several of them on my war blog: http://corksphere.blogspot.com about a month ago
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In a society that is largely associates femininity with weakness, there's no question that in the most aggressive environment they will be targeted. It's very sad, the militarization of sexuality and gender is not only extended into our enemies (like with the pictures taken of those POWs) but also ends up writhing its way into our own systems.
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What did you think was going to happen when you train someone to lack respect for human life? Add alcohol to the equation.
I have nothing against the troops by the way, I have several good army friends, but I have a big 'thing' against our military and it's tactics.
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I was in the Army and they don't train you to show lack of respect for human life. What they train you to do is defend yourself and also to kill the enemy. IMO that is far different that what is in this post.
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REally, what position did you request?
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Or add Opium or Methamphetamine......
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Thanks for posting this.
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Progresshiv:
U R welcome
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Once is too often, and these atrocities are many. This plays a large part in why the ridiculous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is in the news so much. The military has bigger, stickier problems that need covering up. They've gotten big media dogging the gay community in hopes no one pays attention to the rape.
Gross isn't it?
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well, I agree with you but they are still both wrong so lets fix both of them.
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Is it an increase in assaults or an increase in assaults reported? Unbelievable that 80% of these sexual predators are released with an honorable discharge, that makes any other honor in the military meaningless.
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If a civilian were charged with like crimes his record would be there for the world to see and for the rest of his life people would know what he did. These guys get to go home, see their friends and family and get back to their normal lives! I wonder if the victims get to go home too or if they just spend a week in their camp before heading back out into combat?
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To quote James Brown- It's a man's world
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That would make a good follow-up story
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They ought to create an anonymous questionaire - they could use voting machines.
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Because voting machines have been found extremely reliable in the past years. Bush Vs. Gore anyone?
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No, just 20,000 women gives their statement.
I have a voting machine idea - where you vote at a registry desk that issues a hard-plastic punch card, that also shows the vote-choices in print.
You the proceed to a machine or several machines in which you insert your card like the old time-clocks.
Each of these machines are connected together and to their respective data destinations - which are the party head-quarters and state computers. Your party office also can forward to you, in an email, your vote and what it was, so you can see it matched.This way, the votes are tallied by all concerned parties, equally. Everything has to match - or the red light goes on.
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Walks_in_Storms:
Why do you hate women so much? Were you a woman in your past life that now you have to overcompensate with your hypermasculinity or metrosexual ways?
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I was thinking of a voting machine that wasn't so easily controlled and the vote so easily falsified.
I mentioned that the women of the military could make a quick, anonymous, data sheet regarding rape and any other questions a poll might contrive and use present Diebolt voting machines.
Just a "non-scientific" survey. 20,000 inputs, 20,000 answers. If they lie they lie. But a probability can be assessed with a few interviews and a little math.This about rape in the military.
There's a gal on current named MotherForTruth - who has a whole series of files about the particular types of "feminists" who might be characterized as 'carried away' - I believe them rather small minded people who clamored for and became drunk on whatever power they felt they received by an unwarranted stridency. People stirring up fuss for the attention. MotherForTruth quotes them and ridiculous they are.
Such people are small in their minds and hearts and dig their own small holes to disappear away in.
And yes, at some point - maybe - there will come a time when stupidity between the sexes and social frivolity will give way.
Part of me wants to live in a time of advancement - Star Wars - and part of me wants to live at around 1750 - in the wilds.
But we all have to live right here today.
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You may be right - but it is the question you placed - do women want to kill? Some will sign up and do it - and have. They have pointed to Israel having women fighters.
Is it good? -It doesn't matter because this country will give them the choice and this is how it will be for the rest of your life. - 2 years ago
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Your speech is hateful when you talk shit about feminists. You are not being kind in the slightest, your just being an asshole and trying to justify it with an intensely verbose diatribe.
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Talk shit = writing in a demeaning and derogatory way, you insinuate and bloviate that feminism is bad and that women are being sold a bill of goods. That is your opinion. You are at times very insulting. If I were a woman I would be insulted.
Verbose = it seems to me that by writing an entire essay as a response you are trying to make yourself feel like you know what you are talking about or that you are justified in what you are saying, on the other hand, it could be that you are trying to impress everyone because you have written several paragraphs. You also post with a lot of frequency in these verbose posts that frankly, being a hard working person who actually has three jobs, I don't have the time to read every single word. I use a speed reading technique I learned. I am probably not the only one who thinks that you ramble.
Asshole = mean spirited and contentious person who thinks very highly of themselves.
I should have also added "Sexist" to that statement somewhere, too. You come across as very sexist.
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excellent post Bill
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Thanks. I try to bring readers of my blog, http://corksphere.blogspot.com news that never is see in the mainstream press
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Great post Bill. This is what Americans should be seeing on the TV everyday. Voted way up.
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treewolf39:
Thanks so much. I try to find articles that are not covered by the media.
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