The Video the Army Does Not Want You To See. No Justice, No Peace.

thanks for the suggestion. I might have heard something about it...I'd heard that even if Saddam had destroyed his WMD, he felt the need to resist showing that he had bowed down to the Western powers, and also to head-fake the Iranians into thinking he still had the WMD for defensive purposes. Does that sound familiar?

what's odd about that is that I've also heard that Saddam himself may have been mislead by his generals into thinking they still had it.

and the final suggestion is that they still DID hvae it, but hid it somewhere. Last month I think it was they found a SCUD type of missile with a warhead that was able to be used for WMD buried int eh sand. I think the new Iraqi govt stumbled across it.

which makes you wonder how much stuff is buried in the sand somewhere.

Yes, the bible says there will always be wars and rumour of wars, but one rumour of war close in locality could be more powerful than a small evil group who think they are kings and queens. .

Bush came into office with war on Iraq on his mind, if you think it was about WMD's I don't know what to say to you.

He didn't care about that, hell we're the ones that sold him the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. He wanted war and the day 9/11 happened he called up the CIA to start gunning for it.

It had nothing to do with Saddam flaunting anything, the U.N. said "DON'T GO."

Right, because what you've posted here is not a diatribe laden with ad hominems and speculative nonsense, it's a logically tight argument with a sound rebuttal of each of my points.

This thing is practically an essay and clearly discussing the reality of things is a waste of time if I don't agree apparently that we're all a bunch of savages enslaved by the pussy. So let me just address the main points.

Firstly, your "intimate knowledge" of our nation's educational systems is by no means professional or total. You've visited what, the schools in your local area that are not doing well?

Where I grew up, there were no security guards or checkpoints or rapes or any of the other absurd things you just mentioned. The worst thing that ever happened outside of the common fights was a single gang shooting at a nearby school.

What you've mentioned are isolated incidents with no larger correlation to the whole.

The self-defense training and other nonsense you've heard about is overblown hysteria, mostly a result of the "War on Terror" mentality and the fear of children caused by the Columbine shooting.

On to PTSD, what it was called matters because you've claimed cases have ballooned five times the amount since your day. Well, considering it's a newly labeled condition, it would make sense that there were no reported cases of it -before it was created.-

This whole argument rests on a definition of "manliness" that you've not only failed to prove to be objective, you've not even provided a definition or even kept it consistent.

You've taken a great deal of time to rhetorically shit all over me yet you've not really responded to my criticisms.

How are we becoming "less manly?" What the hell does that even mean to begin with? Because on this end it seems to be another one of the innumerable ways human beings pretend to be superior to one another for no good reason.

you very well might be an asshole, but you're a very smart old asshole, at any rate!

:)

Actually, if you've got a weekend I could make a 48 hour long movie on the atrocities we have committed in the name of 'freedom'. I understand and feel for our soldiers but getting a paycheck or taking care of your family doesn't excuse outright murder. Since we were never attacked by Iraq and the war in Afghanistan is bogus, both for oil and drugs, there is no excuse for taking up arms against an innocent 'enemy'. A soldier doesn't have to be as ridiculously callous as some in the video to be doing the wrong thing. Fighting in an illegal war is the wrong thing. Period. Running out of oil? Conserve your fat asses, Conservative or Liberal but DON'T MURDER FOREIGNERS TO GET YOUR F***ING TV AND SUV JUICE OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY. It's your responsibility as a human being to question your orders regardless of your training if your orders are illegal and immoral. Murder is murder no matter who told you to do it or how nice you think you are.

no doubt about it the feelings are definitely mutual as they have decapitated and killed many reporters during this war.

I am with you. It is so heart wrenchingly depressing and it is just reiterating all the reasons that I know war is wrong, especially this war.

i'm not against them hunting down usama bin laden and his colleagues but when they start killing civilians intentionally and raping children it becomes an entirely different issue.

Apparently some of you are not aware that the trials over the rape/murders in this case have already been held in civilian/military courts, and the perps are currently serving time in prison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

This, even after (2) other soldiers in the same unit were kidnapped and killed by sympathizers as revenge/retaliation.

That is exactly WHY soldiers acting as vigilantes and murderers is NOT tolerated: it only backfires, and inflames the enemy as proof-positive of why Americans are scum of the earth....

The problem is that none of this had anything to do with Osama Bin Laden. It was personal vendettas and oil pilfering.

Yes, we need a military to protect us. But, it's not this one, that's not what they're doing or plan to do in the future. Are you suggesting we start our own military? Militia? Good idea. That's what Ben Franklin did.

Uh, aside from the U.S. military, don't suppose you've ever heard of the National Guard? Or the State Guard?

key word is protect not destroy as we are when we're dropping uranium bombs over there. the extremes that we go to in order to ensure "victory" is classless. it wasn't even the iraqi's who did it, it was the saudi's that did it. the same saudi's that donald, george h. bush, and w. bush were buddy buddy with. the war in afghan is about oil as well.

have you heard of blackwater?

this is all about oil and heroin.

Uranium bombs, what have you been reading?

Here, Here!

I like your cleaned up vesion of FUBAR! And you are right on target with the wussifying of our males specises in the last several decades. My daughter-in-law was in the reserves. I was okay with it until they were sending her to actually fight in combat. She belonged here, at home with her son....she can work for the military here in a safe place for her and her son.

Since you're looking for a challenge to your response I'd say your conclusions are judgmental, out of context and sexist.

Let's just deal with the three main things I take issue with here.

1. That kids are "out of control" on an unprecedented level in our nation's history. This is more or less a total crock of shit. Drug use is down, sex is down, teen pregnancy is down, crime is down and overall the vast majority of kids don't even attempt to rock the boat. Compare the 1960's to today. How many kids are out rioting or committing terrorist acts against military centers? I'd say kids are fairly under control.

2. "Back in my time we didn't have no PTSD cuz we was REAL men!" Back in your time the fucking condition didn't exist. From WWI to WWII it was called shellshock, in Korea and Vietnam it was called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome as the psychological field slowly grew in numbers and complexity. Now it's called PTSD.

There's also the additional factor that there weren't as many psychologists so even if the conditions did exist to be classified the vast majority of the time it would go unreported.

See if you can chew on this, in WWII, most soldier couldn't even FIRE their fucking weapon. Why? Because they were terrified of war and morally shocked by murder. And that generation is considered the "most manly" that there ever was. Today soldiers are so murderous they have to be restrained by protocol to prevent massacres.

This generation is NOT "pussified," they're fucking knuckle dragging GORILLAS. If men in this generation need anything, they need LESS balls, not more.

3. "We're so cowardly, we have to use women!" No dipshit, women VOLUNTEER and now we're loyal enough to our values of FREEDOM that we -allow it-.

That's as far as this goes, no feminist conspiracy bullshit. Women want to serve so they're allowed to.

If anyone is cowardly here it's you for attempting to control the free choice of other Americans. I fucking dare you to walk up to a female marine and tell that to her face and see what happens. You'll find out real fucking fast how fit women are to serve.

Your views about sexual roles are wrong and have been known to be wrong for DECADES now. Even if they weren't, in a free country like the United States you can shove that oppressive bullshit right where the sun don't shine because the Supreme Court already decided that women aren't second class citizens. The days when women weren't allowed to own property or be legal witnesses for themselves or prosecute their rapists or receive the same pay as men are over, and they SUCKED.

Consequently, they are in fact what we're fighting right now overseas with the Taliban.

I'll finish off with this, your preconceptions about life that you've developed because of personal experience are a BIAS, by definition. If you can't demonstrate your claims with at least a marginal amount of data then you're blindly speculating about MILLIONS of people that you cannot possibly all paint with the same brush.

Wow, I know you don't care but you've offended me. You offend the family members of mine that have been in the passed wars, you offend soldiers now who are dealing with processing what they've been through. I agree with Saladin's comments, so I won't restate them all.

Thanks for posting this, took words out of my mouth.

it starts with those in power giving the orders not the ones taking them.

what did you expect from war you dope? Did you think it would be all pussy farts and homo rainbows?

You are a real piece of work buddy: so since
" we are securing resources we need to maintain a stable economic society" its okay for our government to lie to the american people about the intentions of the war? that means you are confirming that Bush lied about WMD's so Sadaam was hunted and killed for what? oh yea "securing resources we need to maintain a stable economic society"
THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS AND INNOCENT CIVILIANS DEAD TO BETTER OUR ECONOMY?? NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
SMH

yeah our economy is doing great because of this war.

every one knew bush lied, it was personal that's all it was...

$1 Trillion to police the world each year....

If we could have gone in and fought the war the right way instead of pussy-footing around and doing it the politically correct way, it would have been beneficial for all concerned. We would have gone into Iraq when Hussian still had all the WMD, not given him 2 years warning to move them to Syria. Then we would have gone in swiftly and efficiently been out fast......A win/win situation. Not this forever BS were can't even do it right because of all the garbage restrictions they've put on all the operations down to the amount of ammo a soldier carries....

I am neither Liberal or Conservative, I am a believer in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights which neither party seem to remember. As far as the war is concerned, any God fearing person would puke at the thought of killing others for resources so you can discuss that belief of yours when you meet Peter at the Gates of Heaven.

To think that we need Police or an Army to 'take care' of us is a pretty WEAK thought to say the least. This country was FREED by FARMERS, not MILITARY. Should anything bad ever happen I believe the muggers should be more afraid of me than I them. Electricity, I can make my own but have no need for it. 9/11 operator, are you kidding me, why call the criminals to fix the problem?

Get some cajones and take care of yourself, God, is tired of you asking Him to 'take the wheel'.
Soldiers are only honorable if they 'protect and serve'. That is their true duty, just like police. Anything above and beyond that is purely self satisfying evil.

Yes, Sw3rv, so true. And, GodsnLiberals, how about that wonderful economy we're killing foreigners for?

What's the politically correct way to kill your family? Just asking.

See, y'all don't get it: Bush was dealing with an economy threatening to drop into recession BEFORE 9/11, and Greenspan had tried every economic dirty-trick in the book to keep our economy in check (dropping interest rates, fueling a massive real estate bubble, etc). The excuse to start a war meant they could drop a massive amount of $$$ fighting in Iraq, so they rolled that one out, too.

So just imagine what happens when all those defense contractors start laying off thousands of workers when peace breaks out. You think the economy is bad NOW, with all the Federal expenditures propping up a weak economy? Look out below!

Uh, you know there WERE no WMD, right?

You also know that when it comes to stimulative Federal expenditures spent on the war machine, the LAST thing you want is a QUICK war? You think it's any ACCIDENT that deployments to Southeast Asia have gone on for well over a decade, now? Wow, don't you live in a naive little bubble....

WTF?

Not by the time we went in, we gave them 2 years to move the stuff, to make them, into Syria. And the fighting would have been quick. Yes, we would have had to help afterwards but we could have gotten this all done more quickly if we wouldn't have waited sooo long.

real talk. i don't agree with what they're doing but i agree with what you're saying.

it'll never happen because those in power won't let it.

word.

images speak the truth, if you feel uncomfortable seeing it don't look for it.
if this video wasn't graphic you would forget about it in 2 days.

it's what america needs to start seeing. this has been going on for to long to keep going unnoticed.

we're living in dreamland? how about we're being lied to?

Says the man with extacy as an avatar: dont be so quick to judge...not everyone in uniform is commiting these attrocities

1. what do you think happens during a war?? what do you think THESE BRAVE MEN do when they are out there securing the resources we need to keep u going in life??

2. your child might "look like that" because perhaps you are such a .....a "looker" LOL,,but the chances of deformaties due to drug use (i seen your other posts)is greater than any contact to uranium

3. I am proud of the men and women in our military. You are simply too detached and pampered to know "real" atrocity...

maybe you and osama bin laden should meet

"but the chances of deformaties due to drug use (i seen your other posts)is greater than any contact to uranium"

...seriously? you think that recreational drug use proves a greater risk to unborn babies than uranium?

maybe you and a basic understanding of science should meet.

Just like police who don't report the dirty cops, military that don't say anything or try to stop bad military are just as guilty.

I'd learn more from having dinner with Bin Laden than I would in a year eating dinner with Bush or Cheney.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Uranium has a much much higher chance of giving a person's child deformities than drug use does. Otherwise, everyone in America would have birth defects. You do know that even if it has a prescription on it, it is still a 'drug'. Tylenol, paxil, zoloft, PAMPRIN, birth control, yes, these are all dangerous drugs, more dangerous than most of the abused drugs. It is very hard for an American to point fingers on drug use.

Maybe you didn't notice that some of those reports were derived from Congressional and military tribunals? Al Franken wasn't just popping off at the corner bar: he was talking about the case of that young soldier in an official session of the Senate. Same goes for the Blackwater allegations.

That's hardly sweeping it under the rug: if it was 'swept', you wouldn't have a clue about it.

i'm rehabilitating myself if you must know

and i don't hurt nobody but my body. true my money does buy druglord's guns and what not but what do you think your tax dollars are going to? 51% if i'm not mistaken...

if that crap was happening on our soil you would feel the same way.

Americans have ALWAYS fought ONLY in the best interests of our country: are you just getting this now, at this late date? In your younger days, you didn't actually believe the ideological clap-trap about fighting for spreading freedom and democracy, did you?

When Bush blathered about what a dictator Hussein was, as someone who oppressed his own people, fine; anyone who's aware of what was going on in the World asked why the U.S. wasn't also liberating (much less not supporting the oppressive regimes) of other peoples living under the burden of similar so-called oppressors. Answer is the same as it's always been: Iraq sits on oil. Darfur does not.

Our "National interests" are no less important justification for what we do now, as it was when we fought against Germany, Japan, Korea, USSR, etc. Same shit, just a different label to justify.

Whether the 'threat' is economic, military, energy, or terrorist threats to national security, it's ALL fair-game for national interests. Remember, Al Qaeda pledged to attack the US by using our OWN weapons, our own machinery, be it economic or other. The attack on WTC was not as much a physical strike as an attempt to inflict damage to our already-weakened economy: they came damned near close to bringing it down. Just ask the airlines that went BK as a result of the disruption in their businesses, or the hotel/travel industries which did.

Al Qaeda and Bin Laden stepped right into the role of the perfect arch-enemy (is Bin Laden even still alive? Doubtful...), and Bin Laden knew full well what he was doing; he was one of our CIA operatives (then called a "freedom fighter") who fought the USSR during their failed invasion of Afghanistan years before. Like the old saying goes, if there wasn't a God, man would invent one anyway; similarly, if there wasn't an arch-enemy to turn into a scape-goat, the government would create a Bin Ladenesque character to rally against.

Americans are, and always have been, living in a country where even the most under-privileged member of society benefits from our spoiled heightened expectations: after all, we're America! As a result of the relative prosperity we've enjoyed (compared to most countries in the world), we expect much more. We're addicted to this lifestyle, and people are ready to protest on the streets if even their cable TV signal goes out!

("Insanity," the philospher said, "is relatively rare among individuals, but it is the rule among nations.")

So if it was true back in the days of Nietzsche, why should it be any less different today? By pointing out historical precedence, you're proving that nothing has changed, and is no worse than in prior decades.

What arguably HAS changed is that China is going to be increasingly exerting influence over America via the self-inflicted strangle-hold, with American wrapping the choker-chain around our OWN necks and handling the leash to those who finance our lifestyle.

America's addiction to debt has been OUR own self-inflicted downfall, and prepare to see more examples of how China will be all too willing to exert influence over us, not via their military per se, but economically. We've already seen them attempting to sway our arms deals with Taiwan, and this is just the opening salvo. Our landlords are pissed, and expect to be re-paid OR ELSE.

i commend you for not riding the fence but at the same time you have to be way more compassionate. armies are for security and the preservation of life not for killing (unless necessary), burning, maiming (what's wrong with you?), definitely not raping, pillaging, or destroying. what you're describing sounds more along the lines of a radical group with no remorse for human life. 1 out of 3 civillians killed are children and you say there is no accountability?

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but his description of armies is more or less right on.

Modern war especially, the targets often ARE civilians.

Yes, there needs to be accountability and sanity, but let's not forget that we're talking about war here.

Africa's been taken. by China

its time to throw them out. we are probley 20 years to late.

and bono and his liberal Live8 scam masters

In that case, I hope a well armed army heads in your general direction in an extremely pissed off mood. Take your racist remarks and anti-foreigner thoughts and think about them with a .45 in your mouth and do us all a favor.

wtf do you mean civilians are targets? i thought we were after insurgents not the residents of basra or any other iraqi city. since when is rape a part of war? that seems like a personal interest to me. raping a little girl that's my sister's age is going to benefit our country how? LOL!

at least they're not being treated the way their ancestors were.

I think the point was that raping/pillaging happens in war as a by product. Certainly destroying occurs. Nation building ha! you think they're layin brick over there.? And when the rape does takes place, often within our own forces, the mentality in the military is to turn one's head.

You guys DO realize the ugly heavy-lifting of "Nation Building" has already been done at this point, and HAS been over for quite some time? You think the contractors AREN'T rebuilding infrastructure right now? You guys truly ARE clueless, if you think that.

You realize the trials spoken of above are COMPLETED, and the rapists are already serving their life sentence in a military prison (Leavenworth)?

You guys hear the news about an election being held in Iraq, even as we speak TODAY? See, you want to have a semi-stable puppet gov't in place before you start letting the oil flow: that's also the main effort right now, rebuilding the oil pipelines (without having some terrorist blow them up to disrupt the flow). All is being done right now, and has been going on for a few years.

You people are acting as if the raping/pillaging is STILL going on: folks, that news is from 2005. You're getting it just NOW? Your moral outrage is 5 years too late, at least.