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How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth?

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BBC Two's overpopulation programme "Horizon: 2009-2010: How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth?".

Synopsis:

"In a Horizon special, naturalist Sir David Attenborough investigates whether the world is heading for a population crisis.

In his lengthy career, Sir David has watched the human population more than double from 2.5 billion in 1950 to nearly seven billion. He reflects on the profound effects of this rapid growth, both on humans and the environment.

While much of the projected growth in human population is likely to come from the developing world, it is the lifestyle enjoyed by many in the West that has the most impact on the planet. Some experts claim that in the UK consumers use as much as two and a half times their fair share of Earth's resources.

Sir David examines whether it is the duty of individuals to commit not only to smaller families, but to change the way they live for the sake of humanity and planet Earth."
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366 comments // How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth?

  • Progresshiv
  • blackheartman
  • KSirys
  • Progresshiv
  • onemalefla
  • Progresshiv
  • Katmai512
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      Katmai512  
    • Just been to a presentation by Jared Diamond (author of "Collapse" and "Guns,Germs and Steel") and he said that even though our population right now is about 6.5 billion, our actual consumption is equivalent to 70 billion. And rising. This is due to Western consumption standards and the rest of the developing world attempting to emulate it. Our resources are stretched and a lot of ecologies have already collapsed and a whole lot more are on the brink.

      Yes, the world does experience climate and geographic changes but since now that we have the gift of hindsight on how past civilizations collapsed, we can do something about it. If we don't change our ways now we'll be forced to choose between starvation or warfare when resources dwindle.

    • 2 years ago
  • dalistuff
  • Guyatthebusstation
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      Guyatthebusstation  
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    • o, hai guise

      "The power of population is indefinitely greater than the power in the earth to produce subsistence for man"

      I said this 200 years ago. I guess i didn't count on technology.

      ::yawn::

    • 2 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Guyatthebusstation:

      Malthus may have been wrong and a total dick but his claims about population aren't invalid.

      Our population has expanded exponentially with regards to our food supply. More importantly, we don't have the infrastructure to support billions more people indefinitely.

      Being dismissive on the basis of technology is a faulty argument. There's no indication that science is going to be able to save us and eve if it does, there's no indication how long that will last us before we have problems again.

      It's not about food necessarily. It's about shelter, water, electricity, education, jobs, entertainment, protection, etc.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • Scathian
  • Saladin
  • onemalefla
  • covelogibbs
  • remanns
  • rodstradamus
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      rodstradamus  
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    • Although only 1-5% of the world's population is exploiting the Earth for its natural resources, it is the rest of humanity who bears the guilt upon themselves. Why? B/c those that rule the world want you to die and want you to feel guilty about being human. Funny, how Jan4Gore starts her comment by blaming all of humanity for their immorality and greed. I guess that means everyone except Al Gore.

      Maybe you should stop surrounding yourself with useful idiot, yuppie eco-fascists and maybe you'll meet some nice people. Learn about Eugenics and the New World Order and perhaps we can save the planet without committing genocide.
      http://current.com/items/92258739_climate-agenda-its-all-about-eugenics-and-depo...

    • 2 years ago
  • KSirys
  • remanns
  • Gravity_Man
  • aid616
    • +2
      aid616  
    • As soon as the planet runs out of oil (hopefully soon) the population will begin its inevitable trend downwards back to where it was before the discovery of fossil fuels. Until then buy some land you can farm that has a water supply and get ready to wait it out.

    • 2 years ago
  • 3L1
  • occhipij
  • kennymotown
  • onemalefla
  • kennymotown
  • occhipij
  • kennymotown
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • While population is a problem to be considered in all of this, I also wonder if it is about population or the fact that humans seem to be inherently immoral and greedy. If we had a planet of 9 billion people who all decided to live a life without greed, excess, and selfishness and shared equitably instead of establishing the systems we have that cause this waste, would we not be able to sustain ourselves? In the end, is it about population or the fact that we simply have not evolved as a species?

    • 2 years ago
  • ChunkyCheezes
  • jubal
    • +5
      jubal  
    • JanforGore:

      We have not evolved as a species. That is the problem. We inherently cannot share. The idea of personal ownership of our own little piece of the pie is the Western way. We need to learn how to share as though we are one giant family.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • peterzylstramoore
    • +1
      peterzylstramoore  
    • It is also historically true that as humanity urbanizes, and our ability to produce enough to survive becomes less dependent on our children's labour, and our retirement becomes less dependent on our children's surplus, that population growth tends to slow down. Europes population is in decline (which is a great thing) and most of the growth in population in Canada is amongst the indigenous who are still not secure in their old age (and have retirement incentives as well as economic incentives-child tax breaks for having large families in the present).

      It is similar in the States from my experience, which many of the socially disenfranchised having much larger families. Population growth can be stabilized, but it requires a certain level of economic development generally.

      Economic growth however is currently far more environmentally destructive then population growth. The problem is that their is not enough economic incentives to re-use and to consume in ecologically sustainable manners. We need to intervene in the markets through gradually increasing taxes on environmentally destructive manners of production and consumption (by starting low and gradually increasing you can allow society to adapt without leading to violent disruption).

      We could also take the burden of the environment by spending more time socially, and less time producing and consuming. If we could appreciate our efficiency in the form of leisure, etc we could be both highly productive and environmentally sustainable.

      Finally if we want population growth to stabilize we need to focus some of our political and economic energy on actually allowing poor persons and countries to develop. If the whole world is allowed to develop you will as in Europe have population stabilize. If it becomes costly to overconsume our limitted environmental resources you will have people consume less destructively and hopefully move to more social forms of existing rather than defining ourselves around our power as consumers.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • peterzylstramoore:

      The "greatest good",....for the "greatest number",...has ALWAYS been an inherently self conflicted value axiom; we should LONG AGO have been asking- "What IS the greatest good,...and how many people are required to sustain it"? That is what the world should be trying to achieve. My take,....the greatest amount of "freedom",...combined with the greatest amount of RAW ENERGY at the disposal OF EACH INDIVIDUAL. (Something like that. )

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • peterzylstramoore:

      Peter the world will still need to curb birth rates by 75 percent to prevent overpopulation from occuring in the next one hundred years. Medical technology has allowed ever more people in developed countries to live into their eighties and even their nineties. Developing nations will need to cut birth rates substancially but the problem in developing countries is that most men refuse to even wear a condom. Birth control pills distributed in third world and developing countries might work but that will take a real effort by first world nations financing that distribution and educating women on responsible reproduction. A hard sell indeed.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • tommic:

      Condoms cause erectile dysfunction impotence too from Bisphenol-A|BPA open pore saturation into the sweating hot penis skin. Besides, condoms are a white man's religion. Condoms cause late-life penis shrinkage. Men of other races are smart to avoid using what white men use because white men are going highway-to-hell insane from BPA-in-their-white-man-brain-tissue, whereas on the other hand lots & lots of great SEX does not make men insane... ranking right up there with cutting part of their PERFECTLY HEALTHY PENILE TISSUE that assaults the infant male nervous system and affects their future sexual powers from cutting off part of their body for no damn reason the infant can understand. At NO TIME should any scalpel touch a human being (circumcision, vasectomy, castration) until such time it becomes MEDICALLY WARRANTED and NECESSARY.

      If SURGERY is "THE ANSWER" then whack off the infant female's breast buds at birth and clamp down the women's sex drive dead in its tracks for a change, replacing the violent male circumcision with female breast bud circumcision, see how far you can throw that discus. => I heard a radio report yesterday praising the lifetime contribution of a recently-deceased 93 year old Jewish woman => over 2000 great-grandchildren. She had stated her lifelong ambition was creating as many Jewish children she possibly could to put it in the face of one Adolph Hitler.

      Come up with something else to sell preferably w/out containing penis-shriveling POISON~BPA.
      Come up with something else to sell preferably w/out containing penis-shriveling POISON~BPA.
      Come up with something else to sell preferably w/out containing penis-shriveling POISON~BPA.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • The nature has ways to keep everything in balance without human intervention. Humans play god increasing the average life expectancy and inventing population control.

    • 2 years ago
  • Atalanda_Cameron
  • MotherForTruth
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +1
      Varex_Sythe  
    • MotherForTruth:

      The problem is that it has arguably happened already. Easter Island is a great example of a closed ecosystem where the population of humans became to great for it to maintain. The species diversity of both plants and animals is incredibly tiny for that island because the inhabitants overpopulated the island, were too much of a strain on the ecosystem, and almost destroyed everything other species while trying to find resources to survive. Yes, in the end the problem fixed itself and the human population of Easter Island found a sustainable number, but nearly everything else on that island had been driven to extinction long before that.

    • 2 years ago
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      Human greed does not allow for relinquishing the power to nature's balancing. We must realize humans are not the mighty best creature and inventor. In my opinion this is a problem of society to take extraordinary steps to extend one’s life, to freeze the dead bodies in hope for future re-invention of life to invent many ways for the youthful look and feel of an old human body. We are a part of the living and dying cycle and must not change that.

    • 2 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • MotherForTruth:

      Increasing the human life span really is not the issue. If it was then China wouldn't be the only developed nation with a population problem (though I'm not really sure if China with all of it's military might is considered developed or not). Many third world countries in Africa have terrible life expectancies, but they are incredibly overpopulated because people are use to screwing and having kids. Those children don't usually live very long lives, but they live long enough to have a few kids of their own, and the population problem increases.

      Moving back though to your comment about Human greed not allowing for relinquishing the power to nature's balancing. There have been quite a few cultures in history that have found a healthy balance with the natural environment. Many Native North Americans had a healthy balance with the ecosystem that they inhabited. The point being, it is possible and it has less to do with how we are naturally hard wired and more to do with how we are raised. If we are raised to consume everything and breed like rabbits, then we usually do. If we are raised to conserve natural resources and only use what we need, and to only have enough children to assure that our DNA is passed on successfully, then we tend to do that instead.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      I have high respect for Native North American culture and support returning to nature balancing upbringing. I am extremely disappointed with current cultural trend promoting nothing but to consume and multiply.

    • 2 years ago
  • ChunkyCheezes
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      ChunkyCheezes [removed]  
    • This is going to shock a few of you but we need a population council and a form of population control that gives breeding licenses out to the most intelligent.

      The human race will never evolve again. Why? because human society and all protections that come from government and law protects the bottom feeders that would not normally survive without government assistance..

      More importantly American society is set up not to reward the best and brightest but those that reproduce the most.

      Don't believe me? Intelligent hard working people know they should save their money, wait until they are financially secure to have kids, and only have as many kids as they can afford to support. Statistics show that the more intelligent you are the less likely you will reproduce.

      But if you go to a trailer park you will find the one who gets the reward of extending their gene pool is the trailer trash whose basic carnal instincts caused him to inseminate 10 bitches multiple times and have 15 illegitimate kids that inevitably become wards of the state because Joe fucker with an I.Q .of 95 can’t support all of them . These idle brained kids repeat the cycle and each have 15 more illegitimates who are as dumb as dog shit. The cycle repeats and before we know it we have a society comprised of Terri schiavos and Sarah Palin’s kids. Unless we have a population council Humanity will actually devolve.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
    • +4
      JanforGore  
    • ChunkyCheezes:

      Well, that sets society on a slippery slope as well. Who gives you ( in general) the power to decide who is "intelligent" and who isn't? To decide what constitutes the worth of a human being?

    • 2 years ago
  • ChunkyCheezes
    • -4
      ChunkyCheezes [removed]  
    • JanforGore:

      Standardized intelligence tests would be an objective way of doing it. So the true deciders are the test takers that either fail or pass the tests.

      No one would be killing anyone. Just using the laws of society to shape humanities gene pool in a positive way as opposed to the current system which rewards those that reproduce the most.

    • 2 years ago
  • unimatrix0
  • TheEmpireGuy
    • +5
      TheEmpireGuy  
    • ChunkyCheezes:

      A population council? A group of people to decide how I should live my life, or if I should live at all?
      What I choose to do with my life is my decision and mine alone.

      It is disturbing to see how willingly you support Eugenics, it being a genocidal practice in and of itself.

      You know Hitler tried to implement Eugenics. He and his Nazi government were the "population council" and it led to thousands of deaths of innocent people. All because they didn't think those people were fit to live.

      Disgusting.

    • 2 years ago
  • ChunkyCheezes
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      ChunkyCheezes [removed]  
    • TheEmpireGuy:

      Hitler? Eugenics? what an absurd comparison.

      Eugenics is always tied to race and Hitler murdered people based race and ethnicity.

      No one is talking about that.

      What I was talking about is licenses to breed based on intellect. If you are a dog breeder you breed the best dogs. You don't kill the deformed ones. You just don't breed them because their defects would continue to be in the gene pool. This is how you get a better breed of dog.

      Likewise if we license the most intelligent people to breed, in couple of generations humanity as whole will improve and many of society’s problems would begin to be solved.

      But please stop with the scare tactics.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dagum
    • +1
      Dagum  
    • ChunkyCheezes:

      What an absolute Joke of a post! your concoction is absolutely analogous to eugenics and Hitler you sick diluted fool. Your comparison of humans to breeding dogs further reveals how twisted your mind is.

      Ironically your system would only perpetuate the reproduction of "Sarah Palin’s kids." If you honestly think setting up a system in which the government has the power to regulate breeding won't be grossly abused; then you ate too many paint chips as a kid. A system of licensed breeding would Not lead to a more intelligent populace. Simply because the Sarah Palin's of the world have more than enough money and influence to pay off the right people to get a license. It wouldn't lead to higher percentage of intelligent citizens, just allow affluent citizens like the Paris Hiltons of the world to reproduce while the lower class fades out and the middle class becomes the new lower class.

    • 2 years ago
  • NothingIsAbsoluteTruth
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      NothingIsAbsoluteTruth  
    • ChunkyCheezes:

      that is a very good idea however, This would not work, people would not accept this. I believe the best way would be to let everyone have children but only a limited amount, remember everything has to be fair.

      And you are right we need to either educate the stupid or not fund them at all. I am currently a high school student and you always hear how people hate coming to school. and i see kids failing all there classes, and i honestly think people should not be paying taxes to kids who are gonna half ass it in school. kick them out let them leave and see how far they will make it in life.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • MotherForTruth
  • mindcruzer
    • +1
      mindcruzer  
    • ChunkyCheezes:

      I don't know why people are saying that this is disgusting. You're simply proposing an idea and there is nothing wrong with that. That being said, your idea is stupid simply because it would never work. There are two things I'm certain of:

      1. You cannot, under any circumstances, stop people from fucking or assume they will use birth control.
      2. People will never accept other people dying, if they don't "have" to die.

      For these reasons, it is unlikely that population control will ever work. The only method I can think of is putting a cap on the food supply. Stop increasing food production, you stop the population growth. After all, food availability is what drives population growth, not sex. However, this interferes with thing number 2. Yours interferes with thing number 1. So really my idea is stupid too, albeit slightly more logical.

      Ultimately, the only thing that I ever see halting population growth is us reaching the Earths carrying capacity, and a lot of people dying at once. A short time after, it will probably start all over again. Hopefully I'm wrong.

    • 2 years ago
  • tommic
  • Varex_Sythe
  • MotherForTruth
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • Chique
    • +4
      Chique  
    • Good post V. It really doesn't take a naturalist or mathametician to realize that the exponential growth of our population this is bound to become a true crisis at some point. Unfortunately we're dealing with hormones vs. reality and education in some situations . . . and not perceived as a potential problem until more recent times. This many be a prime example of what happens when we do too little, too late.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • sue4e3
  • tommic
    • +5
      tommic  
    • Short of global catastrophe ie; super volcano or a Canary Island collapse or asteroid strike, nuclear war or a similar event population is going to be a huge crisis on the planet. Quite simply if population trends continue there will too many humans for the planet to support. Right now there are a bilion people living under pressure from fresh water shortage. The immense aquifier that sits under the midwest United States will be eventually depleted causing huge problems for farmers of the next generation or two possibly eliminating the bread basket of America. Climate change is sure to bring about events that change the future of humans on Earth at their own peril. Tribes of the orange Sun predicts 24 billion in another two hundred years but that assumes we slow birth rates so we only double population every hundred years instead of the forty years the pace we are now on which would equate to 192 billion in two hundred years.
      Humanity is in deep trouble.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • peterzylstramoore
    • +1
      peterzylstramoore  
    • tommic:

      Population trends don't need to continue the way they've been going. Infact their no reason they can't move in the other direction and they are in especially European countries, but also China, and they have reduced drastically in almost everywhere except Africa. The reason being that as people urbanize kid's rather than being a source of labour become a cost. Population growth is still higher among the marginalized in developed countries, but the best way to slow growth is to ensure a basic standard of living and make sure that the poor are catching up rather than falling further behind.

      Secondly, population eventually would and is a real problem but it pails in comparison to economic growth. Unless we figure out a way of raising the cost of unsustainable environmentally destructive consumption, we will destroy our planet.

    • 2 years ago
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