Muslims slaughter Christians in central Nigeria

That is it, so which is now the one that converts by violence and intimidation is the issue, isn't it?

Religion and other institutions are holding back the progress of humanity. It's similar to the dark ages creating a hold on progress.

Religion doesn't want progress. It cares nothing for people and for personhood.

Religion is a great evil. Good people don't need religion to be good, they are good.

And you can't force goodness on those who aren't inclined.

Religion is a lie and a complete waste. It helps continue a stranglehold on people.
If you teach your kids religion - thinking it is good, you are poisoning their minds and harming them in the most basic of possible ways.

Think of someone sneaking in and teaching them some other religion against your wishes - sounds bad?

It's exactly what you have done to them, yourself.

It is nothing but self-service at the expense of another.

I made an argument once - Imagine the world as a town. The Muslims sit in the Mosque and run community affairs, etc, but then see that a small gang of knot-heads is running around blowing buildings up and creating as much havoc as possible, and as they are stating their actions are in the name of Islam, it is causing a stir that is damaging to the image of the whole of the Muslim community.

Would it not become necessary to get some elders together and go round them up? I mean, at some point?

Are they not creating a festering boil that impedes the health of all?

Where's that fresh, clean peaceful world?

And your comment - saying it is imbecilic to kill in the name God and pointing that God would not be telling followers to kill was voted down by at least two people (depending on the number of counter-votes).

The down votes were not from Christians nor the non-religious - they were from Muslims who, apparently, think killing is God's way and perfectly ok.

02, really? How can you quantify that? Got any evidence.

They probably voted it down because DjBasic said that the Koran doesn't intend for people to murder.

You know, for someone who is an atheist, you sure hate Islam a lot more than Christianity. I thought atheists were supposed to be objective about religion and realize that they're really all the same.

They are different. Christianity was bad 500 years ago and has slowly been drug forward by the expansion of society and education.
Islam has a different history. These two have very different histories and present differently in the modern world.
One should ask what the nature of civilization is to be?
All people need good upbringing with good culture. And political hierarchies that run the religions suppress knowledge and open education to harness their groups. Mind shackles.

That's why accepting a religion, rather than seeking God on your own, is asking for spiritual trouble. It's the same as joining a gang.

All these people and all the problems THEY HAVE CREATED for themselves and the world are dupes.

Dupes of the false God of 'religion'.

If you're a Muslim or a Christian and you get your hackles up when confronted, you should realize your ideas and attitudes have been set up. You have been set up. You've been brain-washed, handled and pointed. You're a barrel of someone else's gun - and don't even know it. Lost in a labyrinth.

First of all "God" (the creator of the Universe and everything in it and creation itself) is so much MORE than any of these religions that ALL the religions are simply not real, variations of ancient hocus pocus - about rather trite human social situations and nothing more.

So as soon as you take a view that these people are all believing in phony religion (taking into account what you, yourself can figure out about the Universe, which is God) - then all these things people do and have done becomes a phenomenally stupid and tragic mistake. The blind have been leading the blind. If you subscribe to a religion, you have been led.

Your very good will has led you into a trap. A false room. -Because the God of religions is not true. Therefore you are trapped in religious jail - that is not about God. Because you, yourself can see that the reality of this world is beyond what is taught by religions.

Too bad there isn't a God to come down and paddle all your fannies for being so colossally misdirected.
Religion is child abuse. The worst.

If you'd read my posts, you'd see I've already mentioned that while I have a faith, I'm NEITHER Christian nor Muslim. Since this is driving you nuts, I'll tell you that I'm Hindu. Perhaps this should calm your panic down.

Please, enough with the conversion tactics. You have the answers no more than anyone else.

I would not accept what I can know to be illusions as a religion. It seems the need for a religion has not been questioned by people. Why carry the notion that one must take on a religion? Especially when, we can see that the present ones are children's picture stories and really nothing more.

Practicing religion must come from an unquestioned idea that there is something worthwhile with partaking in ritual, where there must be absence of connecting that with reality, with the Universe (that we now know so much more about).

The cosmologies of all the religions were constructed to concern illusionary images of the mind. Images from and for the human mindscape. Without knowledge of the real universe people have always seemed to think the simple images of their world were mundane and that religious imagery, if accepted as real, were more. They could then feel the hidden world beyond the mundane was what was missing; - and having sensed there is more to reality than what they look at in the everyday mundane world, they then had reason to engage religion.

However, at this time in history there is enough information about the greater Universe, to know that the mundane world, a world that children and people assume from their experience is only mental imagery of our surroundings. The ideas and images of religions are but mind pictures as well. However, our real world, the world that gives us life is the Universe and it stretches out to trillions of galaxies and galaxy-clusters and we are only a small, small little perturbation on a small little planet.
And all of the massive bodies, the stars and galaxies could be just some flotsome washing on a huge tide of space. Riding a current.

Unfortunately, all the religions on this tiny little planet are but the dancing imagery of a fool's game. Mind folly. What else could human brains produce? - In the scheme of it all?

So - I say, go out and have a free, clear, open, fun life. While you got the chance. Before your time runs out - and it is. The clock is truly ticking. DO NOT WASTE YOUR LIFE.
And I'll say it again, this is the best advice you will ever have in your life.

@div - PS, while you're sitting atop the pillars of your faith, and I'm down here with my ax, chopping away - I wanted to make sure you weren't one of my friends. You don't live in Northern California do you? :-}

Geez, atop the pillars of my faith? Heck, I'm not nearly as religious as you're making me out to be! I believe something aside from what we see exists. And that's pretty much it. Something's there that I can't see, that I can't understand, and that I'm not meant to understand. I dunno what it is. I don't really care either. But I don't mind being nice to whatever it is.

You see, for me, having this belief is my way of NOT thinking I'm the be all and end all of the universe. That's what makes me feel like humans aren't all that important in the greater scheme of things. Plus, I kinda like all the stories. They're pretty cool. Hinduism is probably the most awesome "religion" I've ever seen. I don't have to believe a single thing about gods, but as long as I'm a good person, it's all good! I can believe whatever I like, pretty much without constraints.

And don't worry about religion clouding my openness or reasoning. I'm in biochemistry. I've been in the sciences pretty much my whole life. Trust me, I'm the most atheist-like religious person you'll ever meet.

And, I live in B.C. The last time I passed through Northern California, I was too small to remember, so I don't think we've met. =)

Plus, anyone who thinks people NEED religion is an idiot. I'm not always smart, lol, but I'm not THAT much of an idiot.

I think most religious people would say they think people need religion.
If you don't need it, you don't bother. And people, we can see, bother.

Oh brotha do they bother.

They bother and get involved and go ahead and place belief. Even though they can see that their ideas don't amount to what must be God. Perhaps it is the social intercourse within each religion, but every one of them fails to note that a belief in an entity or idea that they can see is not real - is believing in falsity. - They can easily understand such falsity in a religion other than theirs. Someone believing in a strange and obviously false God is easy for them to understand. Yet, even though they know their picture and their understanding of their God is not complete, perhaps to the extreme, they still don't see that their notions are false. That their God is as false as any other.

And I believe that they are religious for exactly the reason to know what is real.

A person who wishes to know what is real MUST let go of any false notions and beliefs, first. Otherwise they are just talking to themselves and placating themselves to avoid the job of discovering what they actually are hoping to find.

What is the true nature of this world and this life and our place in the Universe. And I have come to see that the Universe is the creator and is creation itself - and so, knowing the universe - or knowing it better - is the true pursuit of God.

And for people, the first thing is being ready to throw out your old, tired ideas - that you've been clinging to. That we all operate on by clinging to. The very fact that you thought them in your past means new info might well displace them.
After all, you were dumber in the past, and if we aren't ready to drop the past ideas, we are liable to remain dumb.

As soon as you hold an idea, you are at a stop with it. - All the while, the universe has more to teach.

Hey, Bailey, I know it may appear that I'm rather partial to your superior intellect and good looks, BUT I AM...

Well Hell melvin Don't get your panties in a wad over what I post. You don't like it don't read it. People like you make my life hard can ya spare a dime for a cup of coffiee?

Ahh thats so nice. I think your little Kitty has a pretty smile. Bet I can make it puurrrr;-}

Heeeerrrrrreeee kitty kitty kitty ;-P

Brother can ya spare a dime..........................BAG

rofl

dude, what IS your obsession with bono? you talk about him on EVERY thread!!

Don’t agree with the idea, but (In my best red-neck voice), I don’t care who ya are, that was funny.

unless of course it was christians killing muslims .because on this sight i do not type that i am christian very often not unless i want a verbal attack

Are you saying you feel persecuted for being Christian? Really? Can't you just turn off the computer in order to end that feeling? Pro-Christianity is everywhere in north America.

amen, sue.

Unfortunately, populations have grown and face the modern world political environment.
Just like cutting down the trees is ok until humanity has expanded to the point of no more forests. Then things reach a "Critical Mass" - this is where a final straw breaks the camel's back. Things do not go as has been. And momentum disallows an easy or peaceful way out. Everything just - happens.

What is likely when all those Muslims grow to truly face down with all those Christians? Look at how the population numbers of Mexican descendants are growing in the United States - they are Catholic.

At some point, there could be a show down.

Christians have slaughtered hundreds of times more Muslims than Muslims have slaughtered Christians. Study History, and look at how many Muslims have been slaughtered by American Christians in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. Several millions.

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of Islam. These are called the "Tears of Jihad."
. . . but then you know that, don't you?

That is but a fraction of the number of Muslims slaughtered by Christians in that same time-span, as you know full well.

Again I say, prove it.

Again I say it - facts speak for themselves, I don't need to prove anything, especially not to close-minded soulless Islamophobes.

Heh, so you say. . . And that means its credible? LOL

Well dam are you just gonna sit back and watch your family get slaughtered?

yep

But that's just it, why is it when Muslims don't sit back, they're "slaughtering" but when Christians do it, we're expected to empathize. Don't you find something off about that?

"But that's just it, why is it when Muslims don't sit back, they're "slaughtering" but when Christians do it, we're expected to empathize. Don't you find something off about that?"--div

wow. lol i mean, look at how you might mean that. but yeah, it's called jihad. ever heard of it? lol it's like a party celebration, like mardi gras in a permanently retarding roid rage stupor they never wake up from...some ghost writes:

"The word ‘JIHAD’ means “HOLY WAR’ originated from the teaching of Prophet Muhammed in the spreading of Islam across the globe. The main reason why the ‘JIHAD’ was introduced is that Prophet Muhammed teachings from the Holy Koran was not accepted by the ancient world. He was having three major enemies this include, his own people known as the pagan Arabs, the Christians and the Jews. The truth of the matter is that large percentage of his fellow Arab brethren did not accept Christianity and Judaism which the Arab brethren regarded as the religions of their enemies...only very few accepted the religions of both Christian and Judaism, while majority of them worshipped the gods of woods and stones and be involved in the worshipping of those Gog and Magog gods...[which] claim [to be] equal with God or claiming that their gods are superior to Him."

I find that insightfully and entirely, even vividly interesting. Is it any wonder, worshipping rocks and stones like they were God Himself, how these people could have been any more literally stupid and so utterly forsaken? They traded in rocks and stones and wood for yet, yes...Another Better Falser god that at least wouldn't make them LOOK so genuinely stupid!!! LMAO It's little wonder islam makes such a good counterfeit today considering what they had to mimic even then and now lol as if it were like the REAL GOD of actual History. =D lol Makes you wonder..if their own "prophet" had a hard time dealing with these stupid fuqs!!! LOL wtf are we gonna do about all this panzy ass political correctness??? We are not muslims in the United States you stupid fuqs. Western society came about from Christianity and I sincerely wish you 'muslim' Americans would go live in a truly 'muslim' society because a real muslim on learning how most of you likely live even at best, differeing from their own...or just for being American...they'll kill your fuqn stupid ass!!! NO SHIT. so-called 'muslim' are like homosexuals playing the part their lives are 'natural' to the rest of society. They are an aberration we tolerate, and one most us will never tolerate in our personal lives. Muslims are a security risk for anybody nonmuslim, like the vast majority of Christians would surely be. Muslims get into it with anybody. It's just a matter of time. Already in the streets of England they call for Dutch blood and for dutch wives as "booty". They are eager rapists, murderers and thugs because they have every mandate to do it. Every stop 'jihad' pulls out. Should they fail, well so much for false religion. They should have been rounded up and tortured publicly for those outrageous calls to 'jihad' the religion that's truly jammed down your throat. One guy was even dressed like a suicide bomber. They're dredging for the worst parts of every Western or westernized Christianized society they can fool with "peace" they never want. They are scheming backwards mferz.

So, Don't be stupid Americans.

Fuq islam BIG TIME. Send those fuqs packing to Iran and Saudi Arabia. Tell them we are at least professing Christianity as a nation so that they can kiss off with the friendly hatred you'd be an absolute fool to deny!!! We have American blood on the ground already enough to pay for the truth. Let's not forget who they really are and how much they really really really 'like' us...unless you want some fuq telling you what the name of his false god is at the cost of your literal head. I don't think you'll have suffered me, a Real Christian to that extent... I assure you, you shouldn't trust islamic fuqs either. None of them...I've gotten unde their skin, even if it takes longer than you all...they are cunning. BEWARE. BEWARE islam...it's fuqtup eventually. Give it time!!! Or please, please, even as just another American, please...do not. You can't negotiate with the devil. He'll fuq you over EVERY TIME. Israel would know...and God Bless 9/11??? so don't we??? heh...

You're pretty mixed up about the East/West Christian/Muslim conflict.
Jihad does not mean "holy war." It literally means "exerted effort."
It's kind of like us saying "be all you can be" or something.
The Muslims who use jihad as a reason to kill people are not true Muslims, they are extremists, and they are not the majority of Muslims.
This isn't my opinion, these are simple facts that you can check if you like.

Your opinion is nowhere close to being objective. It's severely skewed by your belief in Christianity. You have no rational argument, you're just ranting.

If some 'small' Christian group were out and out blowing people up - in order to bring chaos, the larger Christian community would have no trouble and take no time in making sure that the terrorists were labeled so and brought down.

That would be because to remain silent is to abet. Silence is support.

And everyone, everywhere knows the majority of Muslims are strangely silent. Everyone I know (who isn't a Muslim) points this glaring fact out.

A gigantic silence from Islam.

A religion has to speak with a clear voice. As bad as it is, Christianity speaks the same song. Variations of the same tune.

Islam does the same - and their song has been depicted in some of these posts.

In this instance, I agree with you 100%

Spot on man

You have to be joking. You realize how ridiculous what you're saying sounds to Muslims right?

The US military has killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Muslims. Bombed civilians right in their own homes. Bombed the shit out of Afghanistan. I don't mean to sound overly dramatic, but it's true. Even conservative estimates of Muslim civilian casualties are in the 100,000's.
And the American people are generally indifferent. I mean, this is our own government that is committing these atrocities. And none of our leaders are wholeheartedly speaking out against this. How do you think that makes us look to them? How absurd is it to ask that the Muslim community apologize for extremists who kill the innocent people who support a government that kills innocent Muslims.
100,000 dead Muslims compared to 8,000 dead Americans... Don't you think we are the ones who should be apologizing. Especially since we supposedly have some influence over our own government, while the Muslim community has no influence over anonymous extremists?

I'm not condoning terrorism. My point is that Muslims are grossly misunderstood by the American people.

"And everyone, everywhere knows the majority of Muslims are strangely silent. Everyone I know (who isn't a Muslim) points this glaring fact out."

How bout some research then. If you want to see it, try talking to them. You rattle on about how the religious stifle others from one side of your mouth and then say that all Muslims have nothing to say on the topic from the other. Do you think that maybe, oh, i don't know, the extremists who make up the governments of Muslim majority countries are stifling the voices of the moderates?

God, no, that couldn't be it! They're Muslims, so they're inherently bad. Right?

That doesn't hold water, of the 100,000 Muslims killed since our occupation, most were killed by factions within their own populace. . . Its alright for Muslims to kill one another and blame it upon others. isn't it? . . tell me again, how many did Saddam Hussein kill of his own countryman before our presence there??

You have issues I don't care to discuss. Thanks for playing. Try an actual argument next time that doesn't involve some form of Islam sucks, Christianity rules.

And where did you get the idea I'm a Muslim?

I don't think you understood the question.

OK...diverging slightly here, but WTF, everyone does it...I was on a bus the other day. Two Muslim women, full regalia...I looked across and smiled, like I do all the time to most people...they spat at me, and called me a ho....sooooo, in this regard, I'm confused, and what do I take from that????...well, I didn't react, just turned away, but I won't try anymore...they've taken over suburbs here, families appearing just like everyone here...and they stand at their fences and spit & curse...(just another slant FYI)...

You're either misinformed or in denial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

I do not think apology from the Muslims has any place, at all. My comments were not about apology.

Frankly - everyone should expect no apology from anyone - as all sides seem to have their hands dirty.

Goodness, human goodness, needs to come forward.

So how are political forces throughout the world and the wars they create to change?

People, Muslims and Christians, and Jews and anyone else, could join together - perhaps rallying from some peace organization and demand of all people to stop.

Or the people from within each of these parties and religious backgrounds need to address the problems within their flock. But with absolute resolution.

Certainly it would have to be a common understanding that everyone in the world has one new vision.
Everyone in Islam, the world over, would have to have become aware that nearly all the common Islamic peoples have had it with the present situation. Same with all others. Christians, Jews, etc.

This means that a public revulsion of the present politics would need to overtake all views.

This would mean people, people everywhere - would have to get loud and in the face of all attitudes and all forces that dominate their environments at this time.

Not silence. Silence abets.
The opposite of silence. Sustained, loud, unforgiving of violence, unforgiving of the 'martyrdom', unforgiving of revenge, unforgiving of war.

Nothing short of a revolution of attitude from all.

I don't see any other roads to a healed world.

As long as violence is condoned, and it is condoned, - it will be the first tool used.

Mothers, women and family need to become intolerant of the propagation of the tool of violence within their societal world. -This from all sides.

The little boys need to be told "No".

read my reply to flyingkick, above.

I am neither, dig beyond the socialist ant-war propaganda sites and you'll find that the greatest number of deaths in Iraq are perpetrated by Iraqis against Iraqis.

I notice you guys are hot on your present take of these subjects. Down talking, and then voting down others while voting yourselves up, etc. Does that win your argument for you?

Look, either these religions have it right, the earth is flat, God is in heaven and made everything just for us humans - the ones who think and act right - so we will have our comforting father to show us the way and behave properly.

Or they don't.

I say they don't. In fact, in reality, in actuality - they do not have it right. Neither Christians nor Muslims - there ain't no God in your religion, absolutely, 100%, ZERO. Nothing there, at all, period. Nothing.
The whole time, you're sitting around in the real Universe, the real reality and just paying it no attention at all.

Ok?

Could everyone in religions, for all this time, from Mohammed forward? Could it be? That EVERYONE was wrong? - Just plain wrong?

hmm?

My advice: Drop all stuff that does not exist, you won't make it exist by throwing your time away hoping. Go get under a waterfall in Hawaii - with a beautiful someone - see what God's plan really is.

Stop wasting your life. It's very short. These religions are bullshit and waste of your time. You'll never have better advice in your life. - I mean that, Whole heartedly. Full heart.
That stuff's not real and you're only here for a blink of the eye.

"I notice you guys are hot on your present take of these subjects. Down talking, and then voting down others while voting yourselves up, etc. Does that win your argument for you?"

I don't ever vote myself up. If I vote something down, it's only ridiculous comments like those of echoz that are completely incomprehensible due to lack of sentence structure and lack of actual logic. Does it bother you so much that people could actually be in agreement with me? Are you so certain that Christianity is better than Islam that NO ONE could possibly believe the same thing that I do.

You accused others of voting other comments down because they were Muslim and so they agree with killing others. That's messed up. Now you're accusing me of doing the same thing because, what? Someone votes my comments up so it MUST be me - God forbid someone have the same beliefs as me that religions are all the same (Oh God, isn't that YOUR argument?)

I think you need to work out that you don't have all the right answers and that everyone should subscribe to your ideals.

You're taking my entire argument (which is that Christianity isn't the perfect, special, wonderful, faultless, religion that some Christians think it is and is not better than Islam, turning it around, and preaching to me that I need to give up religion. You think my criticism of religion means I'm deluded by false belief in it? I don't think you're understanding my argument. Or reading it.

I never said either has it right. Hell, no one has it right.

I'll say it again. My argument on this thread is that NEITHER is better than the other and that because you don't like Islam doesn't mean you should exterminate Muslims.

Shit, what comments are you even reading, cuz I don't think they're mine.

Is Christianity better than Islam? - Probably, when you add up both over a long enough period, they might well be just as bad.

I have a habit of judging each by itself. Comparing is not the point - at all. That's a separate exercise.

However, if you have it right, that they are both wrong, then you understand that Islam is wrong.

What on earth is the point of bathing in something that is inherently wrong?

So, the bloody, painful and grotesque picture of world terrorism - which, if I understand Muslims, are only from those few extremists hiding away somewhere - are -still- a feature of a wrong religion.

My thing, entirely, is to suggest in a profound way, that one should simply throw off bad religion. It is wrong, there is no God that is touted by religions. God is not in religion. God in not in religious culture - and it should be thrown off.

What happens if one is free? Free from religion and religious culture?

You open up your own, true potential. And time takes you to your own true self.

And that's what you want in this life. A very short life; not to be wasted.

You might take this and think about it, carefully. The subject is entirely about yourself.

You're "clinging to your gun" because of a Muslim in Nigeria with a machete?

That's textbook paranoia.

No I cling to my guns because of the politicians in DC.

Anyone remember where the "underwear bomber" came from? I think I have proved my point. any other smart ass comments from the peanut gallery today?

Yep! will you buy me a gun?

they are killing christians because christians are killing muslims...

Might I suggest that you get a clue on the real problem of Islam and get a handle its influence on cause and effect?

Gov't officials have admitted they let the underwear bomber on the plane, in fact they accompanied him.

I havent heard that. Kinda doubt it is true.

The only clue most of the people ever got was that MR. Mustard did it in the library with a pipe. After that they are lost

what kind?

45 long colt single action eight inch barrel with a spare cylinder. Is that asking to much?

NAHHHHHH, let me see what I can do and I will hit ya up

Really? This story was taken from the World Socialist Web Site.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/f253-f03.shtml

Oh yeah, that is one site that I just know is beyond reproach. . . in a pigs eye!

. . . and you believe that the posting on Alex Jones (a liberation conspiracy whack) site is credible? . . Ahahahahahaa

This is about Islam and its barbaric ideology. It's time to cut all this moral equivalence crap and to start developing intelligence and discernment. Or is that too much to ask?

Are you a complete moron?
That's just a question, I'm not accusing you of anything.

300 Muslims were killed in January by the Christians in the south. This was a reprisal attack. That means both sides are killing each other. Christians and Muslims both behaving barbarically.

Try reading the whole article and not just the headline.

Yes, your assertion is, to any objective viewer, the truth.

Why do religious people beg to think that the universe was made just for them - by virtue of having been born? It's the other way around, - the big 'IT' is all about the big it. People, along with dogs, cats donkeys and fleas are just little teeny-weeny part of a little teeny-weeny world amid Trillions of stars.

Trillions of stars - and that's just a little part of the Universe - and God has got to either BE the universe or it isn't God. God isn't bigger than the Universe nor outside the universe - it IS the Universe.

Crass, base religion: What phenomenally huge ego in phenomenally small minds. To think they are equal or on any kind of footing with GOD!
With GOD?!

I agree, we are just a minuscule part of the earth. We should not push our religion on others. If they choose to ask what religion we are because of our character example then we can tell them. Lead by example. Not warring and torture and taking over their homes.
Everyone is entitled to their own individual religious belief.
There in this country were the original tribes, then missionaries moved in and tried to help but most, also, tried to convert the natives to their religion.
Christianity began with the death of Jesus, over 2000 years ago. Mohammed was born in 570AD in Mecca and began preaching after his revelation at age 40. The Islamic faith was established in 622AD in Medina. Who has the right to tell these Nigerians what religion they should be?
So how do we stop these two religions from fighting?

Answer: Rid the world of the one "religion of peace" that will kill any and all who dares disagree with it.

it was just the christians who got killed

I know, and I don't care. They've been killing each other for centuries. Let 'em.

Sure, why would you.

Why would anyone?

Why? Because it may be you who is next, after all you are an infidel and not worthy to live in the eyes of Islam - according to Allah. . .

These folks dont understand that one day the knock at the door may be for them.

How surprised they will be.

Read the Gulag Archipelago, you will learn a lot

Yeah unless youre a muslim theyre chopping your head off next.