Israel to build more homes in East Jerusalem, amidst Biden visit

Hi "Rachel"/NetanyahoooooTheCoward. Why is it that here you say you're a "Proud Jew" yet in other posts from your profile you don't even know what a Hasidic Jew is & post anti-Jewish, pro Muslim comments?

No one is buying your ridiculous attempt at impersonating someone Jewish. Go take your hate speech to the Taliban.

Rachel Shapiro sounds like a stereotypical Zionist Jew to me.

ok, sure, good idea. let me know when you give up your home for a native american forced onto a tiny reservation.

The difference is that happened 200+ years ago when imperialism and conquering natives was commonplace. Israel has made land grabs in the 20th century where international law has made such practices illegal.

twisted logic. i don't see how the life of a human being who lived 200 years ago is worth less than the life of one today.

so how many years do we have to wait until you justify the holocaust b/c genocide was actually quite common in the 20th century?

Obviously the financial impact would be difficult to accept, but in all honesty I couldn't disavow the morality of it. When something of value is taken from anyone at the point of a gun, regardless of how long it's been in the possession of the descendants of the original thief it is not legitimately theirs.

What? Youre twisting my logic.

Im saying its illogical to give native americans all of their land back since imperialism was an established practice at the time. What we did to them was wrong on every level no doubt.

However Israelis made land grabs in the modern era where colonization and land grabs are illegal and immoral. The Palestinians deserve at least a fair share of their land back. There is no reason the two groups cant work out a deal.

I never once said peoples lives 200 years ago were somehow less important. And LOL at your inclusion of the holocaust in this discussion. I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

ok, and since you already know that Israel originally belonged to Jews you should also agree they have a right to live there in peace...especially since:

1. the entire ethnicity was threatened with elimination prior to 1948 and they were left without a place to live.
2. the international community agrees
3. it was given to them by the power in control at the time.

you're a freak. you are the one who brought up the holocaust way before me in this thread. and you've likened israelis to nazis at least twice on this page. i guess that is inevitable.

and justifying the taking of native american land because it happened a "long time ago" proves that you have a double standard for yourself.

israelis should give away their land, but you don't have to because it was legally taken when lots of people did it.

Please show me one time i actually compared the Nazis to Israelis. You cant because its complete bullshit. I DID compare Hamas to the Nazi however... yknow the people who are the actual cause of the violence against israel.

Obviously youre just not getting anything i say. im done talking i have a real life to get back to and im obviously just wasting my time on you.

you're right, you didn't compare nazis to israelis. it must be nice to debate with someone who will admit they are wrong. i wish you would offer me the same respect. but you did however bring them up nazis and germans, yet you fault me for bringing up the holocaust: double standard for fun size.

thank god you're done talking, i'm tired of giving you history lessons. thats a pretty sweet tactic though: when the facts to win your argument don't exist just say you are wasting time and refuse to post.

I cant believe im responding to this... we are having an argument over the internet. Obviously neither of us are going to be changing our opinions on the matter. Weve posted about 30+ responses between the two of us. We are just wasting time and im bored. Ive been the one giving you history lessons but its ok believe what you will.

btw the Nazi comment i made also referred to the French. i was trying to express the fact that people tend to choose radical governments when in a dire situation (French took Napoleon as their leader when their economy was in the shitter and Napoleon tried to conquer Europe as a result. Same thing with Germany choosing Hitler who also tried to conquer Europe.) and thats why the Palestinians are being led by Hamas. If Israel stopped treating the Palestinians as doormats then maybe they could work out a peace treaty.

you want to meet in person? post the details and I will give you a straight up fair debate. and i absolutely would change my opinion (and have) when presented with factual, logical arguments.

you admitting that you "are obviously not going to be changing your opinion" makes me realize it has been me who has been wasting time. why did I give you the benefit of the doubt?

Or we could load all the Jews in the world onto trains... smile Larry, its just a dream.

shut your ramble, idiot.

beautifully put.. could not agree more.

right on!!

Many flaws with your argument. Muslims have hated Jews long before 1948. There are many documented attacks on Jews living in Muslim countries all over the middle east prior to 1948. The terrorist threat has little to do with Israel keeping land won in '67. And to prove it, take a look at what was happening before 1967. Exactly the same as today. In a vacuum Israel should not have the occupied territories. But we are not in a vacuum, they live in a hostile region where they face threats everyday no matter how little they have.

I do not believe in doing nothing. I don't think that my suggestion will solve all the problems but I do think it would be a good start and would minimize the recruitment of radicals that want to destroy Israel at all costs and at least make things a little bit better for both sides. The remaining radicals would be a smaller group and easier to deal with by the international community. Something has to be done because the status quo is too dangerous for the entire world. Lets try something and see if it will help!!!

You're exactly right,...according to no one. What are you talking about? Muslims and Jews have been fighting way before 1970.

And they did not have peace before they built settlements. Again...what are you talking about?

Palestinians are not all Muslims. Many are Christians in fact.

whatever dude. you are missing the point. not all israelis are jewish either.

What point? You said that muslims and jews have been at war since way before 1970. Palestinians arent all muslims while Israelis are a Jewish nation.

i think your time is better spent brushing up on your facts.

20% of Israeli's are not jewish.

Yes but Israel calls itself the "Jewish homeland". Jews from all over the world are encouraged to travel there. They are a Jewish Nation. The Palestinians are a mixed group that is primarily muslim but NOT a muslim nation.

I don't know what your point is.

My original point: Muslims have hated jews way before settlements, and way before 1948.

Now can you understand why the Palestinians are pissed?

cool map. why don't you zoom out so we can see who really controls the middle east.

and the whole muslims hating jews argument is not bullshit. it goes back at least 1000 years.

israel is so small you can't even fit the text over the country.

i could agree with you if you didn't say libs. of course some want to make a statement rather than have a conservation. republicans do the same crap

Iran hasn't a attacked anyone in hundreds of years, whereas Israel has even attacked the USA to try and start more ethnic cleansing wars.

Palestine can't create an army because places called Palestinian (since we're discussing legitimacy, it should be remembered that the slogan "a land without a people for a people without a land" was used to justify the killing of Arabs that were seen as illegitimate owners of the land that forms the young country of Israel) are restricted to so few resources people are unable to keep themselves comfortably alive, let alone organize militarily. Would Israel remotely allow that? No. Gaza was not allowed to rebuild after extensive bombing and bulldozing by Israel a year ago in Operation Cast lead. Why would they be allowed to have simple weapons to defend themselves?

I've never heard the idea that Israeli doesn't have legitimacy because it's not Islamic. I've heard discussion of the countless UN sanctions its violated, it's double-standards, mass misinformation campaigns, and how it continues to build settlements in Palestinian land despite the protest of even the U.S. government, the one nation who alone has been unilaterally supporting Israel. And then the general human right abuses. But nothing about it's religion.

1600 homes might as well be army bases. Regardless, if Palestinians go anywhere near them, they will be seen as a threat and dealt with severely. And with homes, it can be spun to be an act of defending innocents. You talk as if Palestine is remotely on the same playing field as Israel, which is the entire problem. Israel alone has all the power to begin reconciliation and some form of peace, yet they do shit like this and make everyone everywhere upset. It's ridiculous.

fuck you in the a

no thanks, i'm only into oppressive states.

i guess you like fucking iran too

yeah i would agree with you that israel and iran are in the same league...

i'm glad you said that. now everyone will have no doubt you are a complete idiot.

another person supporting the Iranian regime????

So the United Nations is "liberal" huh?

Ohhh wait you just label everything you dont agree with as liberal. It all makes sense now...

Its not their land! The Palestinians were living there for centuries before the Israelis began to move in. In fact Palestinians and Jews lived together in relative peace for decades before the forces of zionism forcibly moved the Palestinians off land they had been living on for centuries.

Not to mention stealing people's land and forcing them to live in walled off cities apart from Jews can hardly be considered "nice"

no its not nice. but isn't a necessity if these people refuse to even offically acknowledge your nation and attack you?

palestinians are seriously out of touch. all they have to do is stop indiscriminate violence and things would get better for them immediately.

You are the one whos out of touch.

The Palestinians are just pissed that they had their land and the land of their ancestors stolen and are now forced into third world destitute by their former neighbors. Can you blame them? Hell most Palestinians are not involved in "indiscriminate violence" as you say. If they were there would be A LOT more killing going on.

Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinians yes but dire times usually lead to desperate measures. The Nazis came to power in the midst of financial ruin and despair. Same with Napoleon. Do you consider the French or Germans as a whole to be evil and terrible people? Then why the double standard for Palestinians?

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said palestinians are evil people. quite the contrary, I would expect them as a whole to be good people.

however, that does not exonnerate them of the responsibility to control extremists within their community. and if they can't, israel is forced to.

Israel has a representative, it's joe lie-berman.

yeah and lets cut off aid to palestinians too! i'm sure you agree with that too.

What aid are we sending to Palestinians? Any type resources that are sent to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip have to pass through several Israeli checkpoints, which suggests they are not getting much, regardless of who comes from. Putting that aside, I have a strict stance that I believe the U.S. imperialism and Corporotocracy should be put to an end, that all military bases abroad be closed down, all troops brought home, that all arms dealing be halted. So if that means we discontinue this "aid to Palestine", that you speak of, then yes, that is included. This stance would also mean the U.S. military would be getting out of Kuwait, where my father is from and I grew up half my life. Kuwait would be left to fend for itself amongst the surrounding countries. But the world needs to be broken down from what we have built it up to be, if we're ever going to solve our problems. The idea of nation-state countries and nationality are such young concepts, to even say Palestine was never a country is insignificant. How long is the oldest country? And the youngest? People of all regions must learn to share the common ground that is this planet, without fighting for power over one another.

and so by Kuwait, you mean Iraq? Because thats what it would be right now if we followed your plan.

If we followed my plan then we wouldnt need to be mapping out the planet with defined territories for the sake of central governments to control resources. So the region of Kuwait would be whatever people of the region decided to go by. Its all relative to the nations of regions, not the states. Nations are a group of people that share a common culture with no defined territory or absolute population. States are defined territories and population that have a recognized central government. If we followed my plan, then The United States would become what it was always meant to be--- The United Nations of Earth.

whatever man. your abstract philosophy is idealistic at best, senseless at worst.

you seem like a good enough person. why can't you recognize israeli's have a right to be there?

I will acknowledge that my vision is off the deep end of being idealistic, but in all my studies of current affairs with regard to countries and diplomacy, it seems most the problems we face today have been caused by the mapping of borders, claiming territories, and assimilating central government that often do not recognize the rights of all people in their region; so ive come to the conclusion that we ought to think more locally and less federally.

As far as Israel goes, I believe everyone has the right to live in the region, with no one group over-powering another. The Jewish and Muslims should be able to live with the same access to resources and freedoms. However, Israel has support from The U.S. in forms of expenses and the latest weaponry, and a proclaimed Zionist movement that seeks to claim all the territory, which they are near in completing as the Palestinians are slowly ethnically cleansed from the region. Though both sides are at fault for killing one another, it is unfairly over-ran by the hyper-developed Israeli government. I think it should be recognized for the true state of affairs, in that Israel has a powerful arsenal and have blocked Palestinians into ghettos, which leaves the Palestinians to fight back with home bombs and rocks. Ultimately, both sides should give up all their weapons, every last one in their possession. Once both sides are disarmed, they would have no other choice but to discuss the grievances and agendas. Only then can any integrity of the situation be shown for all to see. I believe the day to address the conflict and put the disputes to rest is very much so in the near future, as in the next five years or less, maybe even two.

When you put it that way you sound very bigoted. Not saying you are but it sounds like it...

Just because i used the word jews, im a bigot? I sais shame on all Jews who try to justify a shameful act, not all Jews. Let me guess your a Jew?

When you use lines like "Shameful greedy Jews" and "You got blood on that land" or "shame on all Jews" it tends to come off as being anti-semitic. Again im not saying that you are bigoted but i can see why someone would say that.

And no im not Jewish.

Low it's an interesting thing I've noticed, you have to soften up the word Jew with an 'ish" at the end..for what ever the reason, to refer to someone as a Jew, that will mark you as a Nazi or something akin, but the " ish " will absolve you...don't ask me why, I don't know why.
If you ask " Is he a Jew?" it sounds bad, if you say " Is he Jewish? " not bad..I find that curious.

go fuck yourself you racist prick.

The Jews.

another example of a racist prick.

if you were to say that to my face, you wouldn't have a face.

you make no sense. adding an ish to the end doesn't make any difference. and there is nothing wrong with the word jew.

the problem with lowdog is his 1. he's blaming an entire ethnicity (there are jews in places as far away as china), 2. his tone.

Yeah right. Stormfront always wishes me a happy birthday.

That's Israel's land,

No actually it isnt. Just because they lived there thousands of years ago doesnt make it theirs.

i brake you are retarded.

and why don't you hate palestinians for their disregard of international law and indiscriminate shelling of "legitimate" (by your standards) Israeli towns, not in the occuppied territories?

good point. i'm going to use that argument to debunk the palestinians claim that it is their's because they've lived there for a thousand years too.

Well lets see there are several million Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza. How many mortar attacks are there in a month? Less than 50? That means only a tiny fraction of the palestinians are causing the violence. But you think its ok to punish ALL of them?

Personally id be pissed too if the land of my ancestors was taken from me and i was forced into a walled off ghetto and placed under an embargo. Hmmm thats interesting... sounds like this has happened to the jews before. Seems like they would be more understanding of the Palestinians.

Also there is a major difference between living on land for several thousand years and having it taken from you and being kicked off your land thousands of years ago. The Palestinians developed and lived on the land for milenia WITH the Jews before getting their land stolen by zionists.

developed my ass. you look at israel vs. 99% of arab countries and you tell me who develops.

nice try on "less than 50" attacks a month. as if that somehow doesn't justify a response.

so what is the amount of bullets I can fire at your home per month before you are going to call the police? My guess....ONE.

Oh i get it. Youre one of those "israel can do no wrong" kind of people. Even as they directly target women and children, or use human shields. Or imprison millions of people on their own land. I guess i really cant argue with someone like you.

you get it wrong.

we probably agree afterall. if you believe directly targetting women, children and using human shields is wrong, you must be against the palestinians.

Obviously i dont support the targeting of innocents. The Palestinian extremists tactics are wrong and wont accomplish anything but cause more bloodshed. Hamas is a terrorist organization according to the international community.

The Israelis on the other hand are supposed to be a westernized nation and member of the UN. Using terrorism to combat terrorism is stupid and illegal. Not to mention doing things that will inflame Palestinian hatred doesnt help the situation either.

Yes, I actually agree with you. And if palestinians stop indiscriminate violence, agree to recognize the Israeli nation in at least some territory, and can sustain that stance long enough to be interpreted as true good will, I will absolutely support them. And if in that situation Israel does not change its actions, I would speak out against them.

Youre totally right up until that weak administration part. Your political views dont mean shit to the Israelis. They wouldnt have cared even if we sent Jesus to negotiate the treaty.

How about Moses?

But I understand what you mean... I agree, I don't think the Israels care so much about international treaties and such.

Then again, they probably feel they have a 'right' to the land, since it was once theirs 2,000 years ago.