Community | March 10, 2010 | 55 comments

Grayson introduces Public Option Act - Medicare for anyone

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Congressman Alan Grayson, (D-Orlando), today introduced a bill (H.R. 4789) which would give the option to buy into Medicare to every citizen of the United States. The “Public Option Act,” also known as the “Medicare You Can Buy Into Act,” would open up the Medicare network to anyone who can pay for it.

Congressman Grayson said, “Obviously, America wants and needs more competition in health coverage, and a public option offers that. But it’s just as important that we offer people not just another choice, but another kind of choice. A lot of people don’t want to be at the mercy of greedy insurance companies that will make money by denying them the care that they need to stay healthy, or to stay alive. We deserve to have a real alternative.”

The bill would require the Secretary of Health and Human Services to establish enrollment periods, coverage guidelines, and premiums for the program. Because premiums would be equal to cost, the program would pay for itself.

“The government spent billions of dollars creating a Medicare network of providers that is only open to one-eighth of the population. That’s like saying, ‘Only people 65 and over can use federal highways.’ It is a waste of a very valuable resource and it is not fair. This idea is simple, it makes sense, and it deserves an up-or-down vote,” Congressman Grayson said.

In keeping with the “Grayson style,” the bill is clear and concise. It is only four pages. You can read the bill here.
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  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • "A lot of people don’t want to be at the mercy of greedy insurance companies that will make money by denying them the care that they need to stay healthy, or to stay alive. We deserve to have a real alternative.”

      HOLY CRAP....someone in Congress actually gets it?

      the catch of course is the "anyone who can pay for it"

      and there you have the real dilemma facing health care reform. With more and more people in this nation getting by on less and less income, you have to figure out how to decide who can pay for what, and the really tough thing to avoid is health care for those who can pay, and the illusion of health care for those who cannot.

      I don't think the government can even begin to address that dilemma until they take seriously the need to reign in corporate power and profits, and corporate power and profits is a many faceted beast. As people like Jan Gore have stated, when you are allowing the corporations to poison and sicken the population, what is the point of providing health care reform, other than to create more government spending and more government contracts for the usual suspects?

    • 1 year ago
  • Progresshiv
  • Ricky84
  • indecisiveh
  • CarlosIsDown
  • wayseeker
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      wayseeker  
    • Senator Grayson is a courageous man among cowards. His bill makes perfect sense. If we had more Congressmen like him something would get done.

    • 1 year ago
  • courage
    • -2
      courage  
    • Your Faith in the goverment to care for you is amazing and disturbing.Social security has been raided by the goverment to pay for reelection it is broke and will never recover .Medicare is running at a loss it wil go bankrupt our whole goverment is running at a trillion dollor a year loss it will go bankrupt.This same guy will put forth a bill to sieze everyones 401k's and IRA's to fund the goverments debt and you all will cheer because its only fair to steal other peoples money and use it to make up for your stupidity.
      Tampa should eat a hurricain just for electing this bozo

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
  • Wallace_Hunt
    • +1
      Wallace_Hunt  
    • courage:

      The alternative is to allow the private insurance companies - which add about $500 B a year overhead to the tab - to provide for us. Either that or be in the upper 15 percent in terms of wealth - those folks can roll their own.

      A coworker of mine found she had cancer in 2008, to date the bill has totaled $400,000. She could never afford that - we are all paying for her disease and hopefully her recovery plus 20 percent overhead to the insurance company plus extra because our insurance creates administrative overhead for the actual health care providers.

    • 1 year ago
  • imunbalanced
  • crob80227
    • +2
      crob80227  
    • Medicare for all is such a simple and coherent message.

      And Republicans couldn't fight against it because that would essentially mean they are against medicare and that would piss off too many voters.

      None of us here are paid political consultants earning $200,000....yet all of us figured out that THIS was the concept Obama should have started with over 1 year ago. I just don't understand how a) the Democrats and b) the paid consultants they listen to could be so astonishingly stupid as not not understand that THIS was the answer. How the hell can these people be earning so much money and be so stupid? (I'm looking at you Reid and Pelosi)

      Okay, maybe it's not the "answer" because obviously single-payer is the right answer....but it's a legitimate and practical first step to single payer and much easier for everyone to get behind then the current reform bill.

    • 1 year ago
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  
    • the irony of universal of healthcare is that if we did enact this policy it would cover the insurance workers who lost their jobs as a result. Even if they are broke we as a society would be helping them live better lives.

      Socialism is a wacky concept, aint it?

    • 1 year ago
  • hSuAbRuAbHa
  • IngloriousBitch
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      IngloriousBitch [removed]  
    • Well golly gomer did someone in congress skip their stupid pill today? Hoorah! For once "insurance," is going to have to show that they provide something of value! Except jobs for people who are good at weird math.

    • 1 year ago
  • SadPandaPal
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      SadPandaPal  
    • To anyone who says that a public option will cut into the jobs that insurance companies create, I would say that that is a minor cost to the huge benefit that this bill would create when it is passed. So many jobs are cut when new technologies are created to cut down on labor for almost everything that is made; clothes, newspapers, cars, and computers to start off with, but people lose their jobs, find something else and survive. The insurance salespeople will be fine, I'm sure.

    • 1 year ago
  • Atalanda_Cameron
  • WakeUpPeople
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      WakeUpPeople  
    • Atalanda_Cameron:

      If they can't pay for it, they won't get coverage. This way they aren't forced to pay into anything, but if they want, they can get affordable coverage in a non-profit system and without pre-existing condition clauses.

    • 1 year ago
  • Chapisbored
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      Chapisbored  
    • Since moving to Orlando, I would have never ever ever imagined that we had a good representative. Thats nuts to me. What a good speaker, and what great points. 'The current death panels are the insurance companies.'

      So smart.

    • 1 year ago
  • Darevalo
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      Darevalo  
    • since the first day i saw this guy trash talking people i loved him.
      please please call your reps! imma draft a letter to mine, call, and e-mail.
      i urge everyone who is in favor to do the same!

    • 1 year ago
  • H3ADLINE
  • jaystyx
  • crob80227
    • +5
      crob80227  
    • The bill would require the Secretary of Health and Human Services to establish enrollment periods, coverage guidelines, and premiums for the program. Because premiums would be equal to cost, the program would pay for itself.

      “The government spent billions of dollars creating a Medicare network of providers that is only open to one-eighth of the population. That’s like saying, ‘Only people 65 and over can use federal highways.’ It is a waste of a very valuable resource and it is not fair. This idea is simple, it makes sense, and it deserves an up-or-down vote,” Congressman Grayson said.

      ---

      I just don't see how the Republicans could successfully "fight" this bill. It's a much better solution that any thing I've seen so far.

      If Obama has a brain in his head he'll throw his full support behind this.

      Of course the pattern lately has been for Obama to be "hands off" and leave everything to Reid and Pelosi....who have a supernatural talent for fucking things up.

      Obama is the superstar. He can sink a 3 pointer from half court 100 percent of the time....so why the fuck does he CONSTANTLY feed the ball to Pelosi and Reid who haven't sunk a basket in 20 years???

      Don't sit on the sidelines on this Obama. Support this Act!

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
    • 0
      WakeUpPeople  
    • crob80227:

      I apologize for the pessimism, but the entrenched money that flows through the veins of Corrupitol Hill will not allow this bill to happen.... unless we the people storm the castle and demand it.

    • 1 year ago
  • crob80227
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      crob80227  
    • WakeUpPeople:

      Strange things do happen. I mean, why have all those Senators suddenly started publicly supporting a Public Option when it's been dead for so long? Maybe there is something happening.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
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      WakeUpPeople  
    • crob80227:

      I want you to know that it REALLY does bother me that I am not optimistic for this. The public option is no longer what it started as. That is why Senators are suddenly changing their tunes. It is now a gift to the insurance industry. What Grayson is proposing is ACTUAL reform in favor of the consumer. For it to pass, it would require all of these reps to bite the hands that have been feeding them for so long. Not just a little bite, we're talking about biting the hand off.

    • 1 year ago
  • Wallace_Hunt
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      Wallace_Hunt  
    • crob80227:

      I know just how you feel and I agree.

      One thing though, Obama has fairly consistently said it is up to all of us, collectively, and that, I believe, has always been true. Kennedy was one of my heroes, may I paraphrase him --- "Ask not what your leaders can do for you...

      My thoughts are that we all need to be leaders and followers and listeners and thinkers.

      Those with narrow, self-interest can attack one or a few leaders effectively - witness Clinton's presidency that almost ended in impeachment but certainly was crippled by distractions.

      This is not about Obama.

      This is about issues and how effectively we coalesce to find reasonable steps to take to address those issues.

      Let us work together.

    • 1 year ago
  • VitaminB2
  • indecisiveh
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      indecisiveh  
    • Alan Grayson is a democrat.

      Shout out to the 8th district of Florida for exercising their right to democracy and proving that ultimately this government is chosen by the people. It is ultimately in the hand of the citizenry to elect more Graysons and Defazios. If your government isn't working for you, maybe it's time to take look around and pay attention to who you are supporting in your local district.

    • 1 year ago
  • KakuTheMan
  • CaptSutter
    • +1
      CaptSutter  
    • Actually the insurance companies are being a little too hysterical in their opposition to single-payer and even the public option. Unless you ban it all together there will always be a market for insurance top ups, and the private market for health care will also remain unless it is banned, it just won't be as much as a rip off as it is now.

      There are private doctors in England, France, Germany and I almost assume in practically all industrialised nations. There is always the debate in these countries on whether Homoeopathy, chiropractics, acupuncture are are really healthcare or not. They exist, they just are paid out of pocket or by insurance depending on the country and the insurer. But it is evidence that the market survives and thrives elsewhere.

      It is just a question of whose ox is being gored. Buying health insurance in the states is a suckers game and has been for at least ten years. But the insurers will not go out of business, they will get smaller and they will cease to be the parasites that they are now, and actually start providing a valuable service that people are willing to buy.

      So wake up America and join the the rest of the world. And btw it isn't perfect outside either, you still will argue about how much it costs and who should pay, but at least what you buy will be worth the money.

    • 1 year ago
  • crob80227
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      crob80227  
    • Brilliant, simple and easy for anyone to understand.

      It makes perfect sense! No wonder the Democrats decided to embrace it only after they have exhausted all other options.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
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      WakeUpPeople  
    • crob80227:

      Well.... I think Grayson is bravely going it alone on this one. He knows full well that it won't go anywhere, but at least it will prove a point to any Americans paying attention.

    • 1 year ago
  • crob80227
  • WakeUpPeople
    • 0
      WakeUpPeople  
    • crob80227:

      If he ever got to the up or down vote, a few of the liberal democrats would vote with him, but it would be a tremendous bomb. I wish I could get my hopes up for it, but I just don't see the likelihood.

    • 1 year ago
  • jdubsy
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  
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    • The biggest problem: a single payer system would eliminate jobs that insurance companies create. There's no real replacement for those jobs, and getting rid of them will worsen the economy.

      I for one, would love to see the single-payer option in action.

      *What would be awesome is to have the set prices on procedures, drugs, inpatient services, etc., and a group responsible for controlling the costs. Have them update the insurance companies on these costs annually.
      Then, we will know exactly how much the insurance companies are making in profit, spending on patients, etc.
      *A government private option could be added in two ways, as a cushion to your existing private policy, or as a full policy.
      *Let insurance companies compete across all states.
      *Increase funding for enrolled nurses and doctors for college.
      *Open more clinics for minor issues to avoid the "emergency room" costs.

      All companies have two goals: to make profit, and to grow. If you make a law, they will find another way to get around it, or find another fee to charge people. You cannot make a company honest. Instead leave them to compete with each other, as any business, and may the best win.

      Keeping a public option is the best way to drive down costs.
      It will keep payments low, because they want your business.
      It may also encourage them to try to work with the government group set up to control costs, and help eliminate waste. Because, the less waste they have to pay for, the more money they make. It's in their best interest.

      Everyone's happy. The system is Capitalist, but with checks and balances, designed to reduce waste, provide the best care, and give everyone access to health care.

      What's odd is I came up with this on my own. It just occurred to me how close it was to what Obama proposed.
      Funny - it's conservative, and in the capitalist's best interest...yet, the GOP opposes it. Let's fire them. They're obviously lazy, greedy, and ignorant.

      www.firetherulingclass.org

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
    • +4
      kennymotown  
    • mitekillem:

      The insurance company's and their employees have nobody too blame but themselves. They have been running the system as if they are mobsters without empathy for anyone.
      I am positive that a lot of the disenfranchised people who would lose their jobs with a single payer system could get jobs with the expanded medicare agency. The Ceo's and executives in the insurance company's can go fuck themselves like they have been doing to the American people for 40 years.

    • 1 year ago
  • TheTops
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      TheTops  
    • mitekillem:

      Those jobs you are talking about are nothing compared to the HUGE amount of money the CEO's and owners of For-Profit Insurance take home with them, while denying coverage to those who most need it. Obviously administration and sales jobs of insurance will be lost and in the short term that is a problem, especially given that the current economy has no room for more unemployed. However considering the fact that lives are at stake, I believe the greater good lies in allowing those who need coverage, to get it. The problem with check and balances in a Capitalist system is that eventually, someone does end up losing, and that is the mindset we need to start questioning. Controlled Capitalism may be called Socialism, and Socialism is fine with me. We control our government, or at least have the propensity to do so. We can not petition private companies and when they hold the power of life over our heads, that is when we need to learn to fight back, and this idea for medicare for all is the perfect way to start.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
    • 0
      WakeUpPeople  
    • kennymotown:

      It's true that many of them could be assimilated into administrative government positions, but the conservative media figures would have a field day on that topic.

      I don't think that the economy will be quite as hurt as mitekillem suggested. Most Americans/small businesses will see significant relief. I have a feeling that the economy would get a boost in the not too distant long run.

    • 1 year ago
  • indecisiveh
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      indecisiveh  
    • mitekillem:

      Wouldn't insurance companies be consider a little bit of a ruling class?

      What you speak of sounds an awful lot like a financial based ruling class where the more money you have the more right you have to make decisions, the less money, somehow means that you deserve being without healthcare which is ultimately where this kind of political philosophy crumbles under it's own illogical weight.

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
  • ignignokt
  • indecisiveh
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      indecisiveh  
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    • ignignokt:

      Alan Grayson is a freshman progressive democrat. Maybe it's taken the country a long time to figure out that there are a lot of great candidates mixed in to democratic party if you would give them a chance to have the floor, like Alan Grayson and Al Franken you see the types of people we can elect if we simply call the conservative/republican and the conservadems out and elect some real progressive democrats.

      Remember, Glenn Beck said himself the people he is most afraid of are "progressives" and "democrats" That should tell you something.

    • 1 year ago
  • Darevalo
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • This is exactly what needs to be done! For a couple hundred dollars a month anyone could be in the medicare column. Well a business that provides healthcare insurance as part of a employees benefit package puts at least 500 dollars a month per employee. Just think what a boom this would be for small businesses.

    • 1 year ago
  • Still_Falling
  • WakeUpPeople
  • indecisiveh
    • 0
      indecisiveh  
    • WakeUpPeople:

      There are plenty of Democrats with guts they just don't get enough support by the people and are constantly demonized by the right.

      Alan Grayson himself has been in the cross hairs of the right wing for months now.My rep Defazio is kicking ass lately, not to mention Congressman Weiner's awesome speech he recently gave.

      We as a citizens need to be sure to support these guys when they come around and not let the right wing lie and destroy people's credibility and reputations shamelessly spending billions upon billions.

      There is no reason people like Van Jones, Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders should be constantly disrespected by the corporate media. There was no reason to attack ACORN other than to score cheap right wing political points.

      Wake up and smell the new progressive democratic party. Get it. Got it. Good.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
    • 0
      WakeUpPeople  
    • indecisiveh:

      I am impressed with Weiner and Sanders as well. I think Grayson is particularly unique in that he knows how to get the spotlight to get the message out. I think he can probably come off as being an ass to many people, but he is at least passionate about his beliefs. Weiner and Sanders, despite their many media interviews in support of a single payer system, are not making a big enough pushback against the private insurance handout. Grayson is digging his heals in and showing that he has a spine. I wish all of the democrats would show half that much confidence. Instead they keep trying to concede, concede, concede to the point that the bill actually helps the private insurers more than it helps protect the consumers, which was the whole reason we needed reform in the first place.

    • 1 year ago
  • Tyr
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      Tyr  
    • This bill is so precise and morally correct that it will come under siege immediately by the insurance cabal. it's the only reform that actually is a meaningful reform but since there are no advocates to stuff money into the pockets of the politicians who are required to make this law I don't see it going anywhere.

    • 1 year ago
  • elementaljim
    • +1
      elementaljim  
    • This is what should have been done in 1st place. Not a year of delays giving them an opportunity to show just how stupid they can be and just to delay the process.
      Thousands of pages of dumb ideas put on paper that prove the majority of these so-called reps serve at the pleasure of big pharma & the insurance companies with absolutely no regard for actual health care reform.
      Support for the insurance companies escalating profit agenda should be a crime.
      The idea that they want to force people to buy insurance (the mandate) or be fined is also criminal. They waste all this time to produce this stinker of a bill and probably won't go into effect for years. All for nothing..

      imo
      http://opinionsandreasons.blogspot.com/

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
    • +3
      WakeUpPeople  
    • elementaljim:

      The reason they did not do this in the first place is because it is in essence a single payer system. This has always been the most logical, humane, moral option, but it was scrapped from the beginning because it cut the private insurance companies too deeply. The vast majority of people would want to be in a system that does not profit over their life and death. Private insurance would be a thing of the past and that means less money in the pockets of the politicians. It's all about money and power, and has nothing to do with the people that constitute America.

    • 1 year ago
  • Tyr
  • ignignokt
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