Just Say ‘No’ to Drug Tests — Then Bargain

I go to work and study high all the time and no one even knows. Such drugs like marijuana have it's benefits. To me it's like an illegal adderall. You should try it sometime before you ride the opposing ends cock.

but if it's perscribed by the doctor? does that change your opinion? I mean if the doctor reccomends methadone nobody cares as long as they get a prescription... then let this guy drive your bus. drug test or not he's got a 'valid' reason and drug testing doesn't stop this...

lol actually maybe we could do a test. All those who think it does not effect your reactions, judgment ... stand in the road like parking cones...a stoned driver in a 100,000 # tractor trailer has to drive between the cones (people)....any takers..

Labor produces all wealth, and the employees have ALL the power. Employers want to screw US over..we ALL stop going to work..see how much wealth they produce then.

ya right.

what you're talking about is unions... which become just as corrupt and evil as the coorporations they work against. otherwise we're on our own, and you're free to strike all by yourself... I need work, as I assume most people do. so we all lay down and become cooropate bitches.

Unions, Corporations and Governments only become as corrupt as we ALLOW them to. One only NEEDS to go to work in order to have a house and two car garage. It would be simple to plant carrots and potatoes to feed you and your family, but that is not something anyone is willing to do. It is as much greed on OUR (including me) part that perpetuates the system we live under as it is the corporations. A SINGLE day strike would bring corporations and government to their knees. We hold ALL the power and yet we are too AFRAID to use it.

allow? really? you think that monsanto, GM, or Haliburton are going to be held accountable for anything they've done? really? how do you think we allowed anything they've done? the government isn't allowed to do anything, they just do, regardless of what we think. clearly bush became president the first time...

"...simple to plant carrots and potatoes to feed you and your family, but that is not something anyone is willing to do."

actually many people choose to do just that. the problem then is that they aren't paying taxes, income nor property (since they have no money)... witch means their land will be taken by the government and they will lose those carrots and potatoes and starve... all because they didn't have an employer to pass along the cash flow.

all I mean is that we're pawns and the government and the coorporations that run it have no accountablility, not to us, not to anyone. how else do they get away with things like guantanamo, unjustifiable wars and invasions into sovergn nations... they do whatever they want and our opinions mean nothing.

Yes..ALLOW. They have no accountability because you and I do not HOLD them accountable. If ONE person stopped paying his property taxes, yes, he would be thrown in jail and have his property stripped away from him. But if we ALL did it, would that be likely to happen? If we all stood together and said we will not tolerate your attempts to make us serfs and we will sacrifice and suffer in order to prevent it. How long do you think THEY could hold out? Perhaps force would be attempted...but there are over 300 million people in the United States and if we all worked in Unison, we would have our voices heard in a short time. But YES, we have to sacrifice...and suffer through hardships..and learn to work TOGETHER and for our mutual benefit. Cooperation is the key to overcoming the system of COMPETITION. The only issue I see, is that we are too self absorbed and selfish to work and HELP one another to accomplish this.

socialist utopia? not sure where you're going with this? where would we get the products we use? plumbing, elecricity? don't get me wrong, I'm an anarchist-confederate-capitalist. but it's too late now, they've already won. unless you plan on being the lone student who is willing to stand before the tank in tiananmen square anything we do is pointless... simply because someone will take advantage where they can, and taking your property I may profit... so why NOT compete if that's what will get me what I want? the greater problem is the perception of profit and the cultural drive to constantly gain.

it would take litteraly everyone. from the top to the bottom to equally decide on this. too bad those in power will always just pay off those of us who are already willing able (and some actually desire) to kill, steal, maim, invade, threaten, enslave... it's basic game theory. where one has and one doesn't and where one gives there will always be takers.

ok hammy good points, I will agree to a point.

lol..booze is fermented harps and barley...again it's ok for me to drive your kids to school stoned or drunk??

No one should be the afforded the luxury of lies. Facts are still facts, even if we are daily spun by opinions. Everything judged in the 'court of public opinion', where honesty is not a requirement, then we just 'move along'.

It's time to stop 'moving along' to lies. If people with voices would stop accepting disinformation in their presence, eventually people would be afraid to be exposed as a 'liar'. A 'liar' cannot be trusted. A liar is a liar, is a liar.

'Honesty' is a virtue we can not afford to loose.

Hemlock is also just a plant...but it will kill you. I am pro-legalization..but the whole "it's just a plant" argument is a little ignorant.

why not??....I do it all the time I am a school bus driver and I gotta catch a buzz daily to deal with those fuckers...I swear they get dumber every year

cannabis doesnt kill you. tobacco is a plant that kills people . and live your life and i will live mine......

calling cannabis a drug or a hallucinogenic seems ignorant to me. just like saying it is harmful just the facts man

dude... you're drunk right now as you type this trash aren't you? I just hope you're not at work! but then you probably don't have a job good enough for a drug test anyway huh?

Like I said, I am PRO-Legalization...but if you think it is harmless, I am not sure what to tell you. That is just willful ignorance.

harmless compared to pretty much everything else. but still inhailing burning smoke isn't good for you.

but smoking hemlock isn't a crime.

Committing suicide is certainly against the law.

yeah but cannabis will not kill you...ZERO DEATHS all of history. and it is just a plant. you are ignorant. please explain how cannabis is not "just a plant" it's a plant that can save the world. look into it. Jack Herer's "Emperor Wears no Clothes" is a good place to start.

i guess ignorance is bliss b/c nothing in this world is really "harmless" but cannabis is at the lower end of harmful products to ingest...yes smoking it is bad, but there are ways around that

It's a plant - is not ignorant, it's a fact. It's also a fact that lies and disinformation has been used in the prohibition of cannabis. It's not a mystery. Our representatives know it's not what people are being told.

The history of cannabis hemp has been removed from educational material, leading ordinary Americans to believe cannabis is a mystery. They try and act as though, they don't know, but they do. Cannabis should not be classified as equal to heroin. That's an "Assault on Reason"!

you are a loser. Your post has prompted me to examine the local bus companies records for drug testing procedures. I beleive a CDL is also required, and with a CDL your employer should be following federal laws concerning drug testing.
Next calling your patrons fuckers says alot about you. maybe you should look into another line of work..like cleaning dog shit off the streets

I actually pay for the drug testing as i employ drivers.

ZERO DEATHS.....prove it.

prove it.... maybe you should look into the history of cannabis before you try to criticize it. that way your response wont be "prove it" . from your post it seems as if you have no idea on what cannabis is really about or why people think the way you do. our govt and Du pont are the only reasons why cannabis is illegal. Du pont had to get rid of it's competition..Hemp.
cannabis has been used throughout history dating back to the chinese around 3750 B.C.
of course there has been cannabis related deaths but none have been linked to the actual use of cannabis. more like an idiot doing something stupid and dying while under the influence. anything can kill you even water so should we make water illegal.
we are getting off topic, this post is about drug testing not whether cannabis is bad.
funny how drug testing become a cannabis debate...

marijuana is harmless! smoking it may be bad for your lungs, but there are manyy mannny other ways to get THC into your body. If you do think it's harmfull, THAT is just willful ignorance. I don't think any doctor has said the risks out-weight the benifits..

why do you NOT make your drivers pass a drug test every time they get behind the wheel? a one time drug test only proves they weren't drunk or high when they took the test, it doesn't mean that a day later, a week, a month... a year, that person isn't drunk or high when they come to work. so yeah, unless you pass the test every single time your point is meaningless and moot.

but then when it comes to law, it's not about what's right or wrong... it's about control.

I am a former user of Alcohol, Crystal Meth, Ecstacy, Marijuana and LSD. I am not talking blindly...and I am pro legalization, but let's not pretend as if it is harmless. Yes, it is far down the scale as far as the degree to which it is harmful, and how well ones body can counteract the long term impact. But to say it is harmLESS is not true.

Look, I am PRO LEGALIZATION. And I think Hemp could have a tremendously beneficial impact on our economy and environment. I am saying you are using the wrong argument by saying "It's just a plant." As if all plant life is completely harmless, which is NOT true. Marijuana itself may not have caused any deaths due to toxicity, but there are many cases of people who caused deaths while driving under the influence of marijuana. Can it be proven conclusively that the influence of marijuana was the overriding factor in said accidents? Based on my own personal influence of driving under the influence of Marijuana, I would say yes. Based on my own experience.

i guess that is where the problem lies. for me i can smoke all day and function just fine. no problems. i have worked in high stress jobs, driven foreign countries, and gone about daily life w/o any incidents. i guess it would be like someone taking prescription drugs, for me the impairment level is low. that is one of the only problem with cannabis is dosage...how to determine the how much to provide to a patient. and i never said that plants are harmless, but cannabis has really low toxicity levels which makes it relatively safe in comparison with other drugs or plants for that matter

nothing is harmless... people can O.D. on water. but harm isn't why pot is illegal and harm has nothing to do with ANY regulations anyway...if harm or damage were the criteria use few drugs would be legal at all. as pharmasist with a decent medical background, I can tell you that pot truely is HARMLESS when compared to almost everything else.

but again harm has nothing to do with regulation.

ok you have tried to make your point several times about testing before they get behind the wheel...enough, i understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree.. Random drug testing alows that at any time you COULD be tested thus relying on a good employees common sense they do not do anything illegal before coming to work. With a drug testing policy in place you can also test on suspicion
I am in the middle as to legalization, and i havn't decided how i stand, but this post was about drug testing

so then your tactic is to use fear as a deterrent. but as the former navy man posted earlier, it's doesn't work. he said he did meth for 4 years while subject to random testing in the military. and if the concern is in use of illegal drugs why test for alcohol? and perhaps it's the laws that are wrong, not the policy for testing. perhaps if marijuana weren’t a crime there'd be no reason to test for it.

I'm also subject to random testing (all hospital employees here are) but it simply doesn't prevent me from doing anything, and has never been a thought when I am doing something. I think the key is adequate screening prior to employment. just to work in my hospital one has to pass thorough background checks, a pre-employment drug test and at least three separate interviews and maybe even five to six interviews... the point is to do a very thorough screening of applicants and subject them to the judgment of many people, some with a keen understanding of these issues. so stoner, raver, alcoholic... I don't care so long as one can do the job safely and efficiently.

I personally never do anything before or at work simply because of long instilled work ethic, not to mention that it makes my job harder, and why would anybody want a harder job? just a thought.

I too agree to a point, employers should not be 'victims' of drug abuse. But, the illegality of cannabis is not protecting them. Using disinformation and spin to perpetuate the war on cannabis is not protecting them. Nine times out of ten, when people are talking about re-legalization of cannabis hemp, people resort to name calling, or unsubstantiated opinion. Opinions formed during the 'spin of war'. They even used a 'drug czar' to silence those who would have spoken up to the madness. They were locking people up by the millions. We have more people in prison than 'any other country' in the world.

How did that happen? Who made up the 'disinformation' used to perpetuate the war? Here is a link from Richard Nixon and his escalation of war rhetoric -- http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/nixon06.pdf Richard Nixon knew! He commissioned a study, then when the study ended and it didn't end the way he wanted, he ignored the results. People knew what he was doing, yet they remained silent. Politicians used the 'war on cannabis' as a political tool, for political gain. Once they crossed that line, admitting the truth, would mean they were admitting to knowingly remaining silent to spin and many times out and out lies.

The war on cannabis, should not have been waged and spun to the American people in the first place. Parents were lied to. Some turned against their own children, because they believed what they were being told. Sad, sad, sad! No one should be afforded the luxury of a lie. Remaining silent is not the answer.

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I don't think 'stoned' is how I would describe it. Mellow maybe? But, maybe that's cause I'm older and I don't get 'stoned', I get mellow. Stoned is one way to describe the effects of cannabis, but it's the one they use back at us, as a negative.

unless you're planning on passing a drug test right before you get behind the wheel it's a moot point. what we do OFF the clock or at HOME has nothing to do with work.

Responsible adults don't do that. Your example is a poor representation.

ya it does retard...i have had booze face night and couldn't negoitiate shit the next day...actually i was probably still drunk i did that at home but going back to my point..can i drive your kids to school the next day??

If we dont check how the fuck do we know who is responsible

otto man

Why go to 'crazy talk'? No one here is promoting that type of behavior. Just crazy people, who have no grasp of what they are talking about would make such a crazy statement. Why go there? Why not really talk about the issue, on an adult level?

Even if cannabis were re-classified, people would still be responsible for their actions. The discussion is about checking one's pee, not one's abilities. If you drive a bus of any kind and are visibly impaired, you should be terminated.

More people would participate in the process, if they weren't 'closet criminals'. The 'war on cannabis' is based on lies and disinformation. People should not be 'criminals' for responsibly consuming cannabis. People who drink responsibly and don't drive, are not classified as 'drunk drivers', because someone else chooses to drive drunk Personal responsibility for one's actions, sounds reasonable to me.

save the bullshit, the post was "just so no to drugtest..." get stoned if you want i dont care..if you fuck up, we can blame it on your relationship with your father i guess

Toyota is responsible!

rather than searching your thesaurus for such witty insults, I suggest you actually read the post before you respond. and aside from descussing your alcoholism, how does drug testing prevent anything like this from happening? if a bus driver decides to do just that, a pre-employment drug test won't do anything to stop it... so again why drug test at all, if it's not being done when you arrive at the job?

In a conversation of mature adults, you make asinine assertions, ask irrelevant hypothetical questions, and conduct yourself in an abrasive and aggressive manner.

I would say you have yet to reach puberty. Please leave the discussion to the adults.

what makes you think that drug use has anything to do with responsibility? how many successful people do you think use drugs? I agree with some testing, but unless you're going to test every bus driver just before they get behind the wheel, your argument is pitifully weak.

unless we're making the drivers pass a test every single time they get behind the wheel there is no way to guarantee sobriety, and a one time piss test cannot ensure responsibility. your point is dull and worn, read a book.

or we could blame the moron who made the choice to do something retarded while inebriated. how does testing prevent this? you fail to answer the question, and posting slipery-slope-fallacies doesn't demonstrate anything.

Bullshit? Sorry, I was just having fun with the discussion. I have posted a couple comments back and forth with you, but I was jousting, not really getting you. I think you type what you type for reactions. I was reacting, jousting. Peace!

people fuck up high or not... what does that have to do w/a relationship w/your father

maybe you should learn how drug testing procedures work before making such stupid comments. drug testing can be done at anytime any place. If one of my drivers shows up and i think he is under the influence i owe it to the public to get him tested. If you are driving a commercial vehicle and are in an accident it is mandatory for a drug test to take place...why after the fact?? so the employer can fire your ass, and the victim can sue you for all of your assests and probably your next child.

mature adults??
i call em as i see em. how is it irrelevent when some loser in a previous post admits to smoking pot before they drive a school bus??

If i offended you i am sorry, i always cut to the chase. peace also to you

i do not need to answer the question..you have the answer in your first sentence. Kudos for understanding where i am coming from.

i will refer you to a previous response. please understand how a drug consortium works before you call my argument weak.

you prove my point. unless you test EVERY time BEFORE they climb in behind the wheel. drug testing doesn't prevent anything.

yes your slippery-slippery-slope-fallacy is a weak argument.

"we can blame it on your relationship with your father i guess"... why NOT blame the asshole who did it? why would you divert blame and responsibility from the person who commited the acts? that's just stupid.

hmmm. ya never been called dense before have ya... read the laws on drug testing
USDOT (49CFR part 40) before you try to engage me anymore.

it's called a tounge in cheek comment

by the way nice looking dog Doby??

I'm a pharmasist in a major hospital. I'm well aware of drug laws and drug testing laws. and I believe most are inherently wrong. not ALL but most. I'm not against drug testing, I am against the arguement that it's a full proof method of screening. we've fired four people from our pharmacy so far this year over drug related problems... only one of them had a positive on a drug test though the other three addmitted to drug problems. my point is that testing should be a tool only but not a definite determination of anything. all common test are used to detect THC, PCP, amphetamines, opiates, alchohol, and cocaine. the problem is that all but THC is metabolized within 72 hours after exposure but THC is infamous for staying in the lipids throughout the body for about 30 days, not to mention the fact that THC is detectable in amounts a hundred times smaller than an effective dose, meaning that a person can litteraly be in a room were it was used without useing it themselves and will fail a drug test.

also almost a decade ago, Hewlett Packard did a study with their employees and found that there is a 50% chance of false positive regardless of contact with the drug THC. meaning that you could fail the drug test and never have smoked. since then HP has stopped testing their employees for the substance THC because a failed test does not mean a positive result.

first say blame the drug, then say blame the father... you seem to be in that feel-good state where every loser kid on the soccor team gets a trophy just for participating and nobody gets blamed for a mistake, and nobody has to take responsibility. sorry but thats not reality. if your team loses you don't get a trophy, if you wreck your bus you're responsible for it. drugs of not it's your fault, there is no pointing fingers.

Thats why they ignore it.

It just goes to show, Stoners are the last remaining patriots and freedom fighters, fighting against a fascist takeover of the U.S.

Yep!

ya, good luck with that. The Japanese used to explain the same thing..it was called the kamikazi pilot.

agreed

we use to have rights in this country. In the 60's, 70's we were the U. S. OF A. Now its conform and take their drugs they say are legal good, not ours and then be driven into the ground.

NEW WORLD ORDER takeover

Yes your right something happen in the late seventies or early eighties. Who was President then Regan? Say wasn't that the begining of the just Say no program? Well if we keep fighting and screaming for our rights maybe we can get them back.

Politicians have been allowed to lie 'in plain sight' and people who should have, didn't challenge their lies. Ronald Reagan was afforded the luxury of lies to perpetuate the 'war on cannabis'.

"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast" - Ronald Reagan

Excellent observation and probably the closest to the real reason for drug testing.

i agree with the insurance statements. insurance is one of the biggest scams in our nation....they cover you for this, but not for that. but i dont believe people are mad at their employers. but it's true that if you smoke on the weekend you fail during the week. drug testing is a multi million dollar industry promoted by hidden agendas and pushed by our govt.

prove it.
And yes i have seen many potheads start a brawl

Go to amsterdam..... you will never see a fight in a coffee shop. go next door to a bar and it's a different story. people get rowdy on alcohol and mellow on cannabis. and yes people who smoke may fight but so does everyone . i am way more likely to fight when i am drinking than smoking

and they too smoke.....

to each his own....maybe you can comprehend that. this post is not whether people use drugs or not. it's about drug test. and i believe they are wrong

oh so true!