Just Say ‘No’ to Drug Tests — Then Bargain

true... luckly i am my own boss (for now)

paramount concern? really? not perhaps theft? or assult? or maybe disgruntled gunmen? what does my preference for marijuana over alcohol have to do with anybody? employer, banker, car dealer... who cares and why should they?

open your fucking eyes "gateway drug" lets start with caffeine or how about cigarettes. the only reason the term "gateway drug" exist is b/c DARE wanted to scare kids from using cannabis, the evil plant that makes you want to smoke crack.

marajuana cant be any more of a gateway than alcohol or any prescription drugs which BTW kill more people each year than all illegal drugs combined... gateway argument is a very weak one. I could say that all junkies, tweekers, murderers and rapists drank milk when they were kids... that must mean that milk is a gateway to such acts. and that has more validity than the pot gateway argument and would be more factually accurate than saying that all pot users graduate to use harder drugs... I know many who never have including myself.

sure stop using drugs... but why should I avoid something I enjoy if it's the weekend and I'm not working. no employer has rights to impose this sort of thin OFF the job, but drug testing extends to the home and not just the job.

Exactly!

it's not to catch narcotic users that shit is out of your body so quick. it's to catch cannabis users. and yes it is worth arguing for a person that never has issue with their work performance but then losses their job b/c they smoked over the weekend.

People always say, 'if you don't agree with the laws, work to change them'. That's what we are doing. I care as much about the illegality of hemp as I do cannabis. I think we are missing out on an environmentally friendly plant, which could eleviate some of the pollution we are living with today. Hemp could be an industry unto it's self.

It's a waste of time. They don't pay you for it. Someones gotta watch you pee. It's humiliating. Most people DON'T do drugs. Pot is the only thing that they will be able to catch. Almost no other drug will get detected if it's been at least 24 hours. Not alcohol, not cocaine, not heroin.

Oh yeah, but you'd better not eat anything with poppy seeds.

Why do you have to be sober to stock cheerio boxes anyways?

P.S. I don't even do drugs. I've dranken i think one and a half beers in the last month. This is B.S. If someone can't function, you'll see it at the job. The test is utter B.S.

I agree that testing is BS, but I also think that a junky or a tweeker wouldn't be able to quit long enough to pass a test, where as a pot head could. just a thought.

couldn't of said it better "weed out employees"

good point! take Carl Sagan for example. a famous scientist very successful and very open and in support of marijuana reform.

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan, renown scientist, astronomer, astrochemist, author and TV host

;-) hell yeah!!!

you said it. no junkie or tweeker can quit long enough to pass a drug test. but a stone may. I think testing is only good to prove one is not a junkie... otherwise it's pointless. especially since it's perfectly ok for me to go out and get shit faced hammered right after the test and still pass another the next day.

As an ex-tweeker (4 1/2 years clean and sober) I can personally attest that I was able to stay clean long enough to pass drug tests multiple times. DISCLAIMER: I am pro-legalization! I am just making a point as to the idea that tweakers can not stay clean long enough to pass a drug test, I did it in the Navy for 3 years.

congrats on being clean. but also you yourself are proof that a drug test is not a garuntee of sobriety... my greater pontification.

I highly disagree. altered states of mind are not welcome in most situations, and I would not feel safe on a bus or plane where the operator is inebriated. however I don't think that drug testing will prevent it.

I'm sorry my sarcasm didn't come through.......... I didn't mean a word of it.

How do you know he isn't? The thing is, people can quit using certain drugs like crystal meth for a week and test clean, then start smoking again once they have a source of income. Testing does nothing to circumvent this.

Your policy is failing, and you along with it.

Have fun riding the train with a cranked-out engineer... Lol.

Cannabis and heroin, crack, crystal meth are different. That's the problem, cannabis should not be classified equal to heroin. If I consume cannabis on my own time, in my own home, it hurts 'no one'. I do agree, people should not consume anything while being paid by someone else. But, our lives are not for sale 'all the time'. I sell my time, to be able to afford to live my life, which should afford me my 'own time'.

lol kudos

finally you post something reasonable but i wouldn't mind a cannabis user to be driving...
good thing "dope" refers to hard drug like crack, heroin, and meth. dope head do act like dope heads.

It seriously would not bother you if a person high on canabis was driving a school bus?!

it was a joke.... there is a time and place. i bet you don't have a problem w/a bus driver using prescription drugs.... most pharmaceutical drug have worse effects than cannabis....oh yeah but i forgot the govt. says that's OK.

that is why we have testing..to have an initial safety item to guard the public from dope heads..

and listen to the flow of your logic..."then start smoking again once they have a source of income"????

you sir are going to be a fine grade A loser........one of those morons that has this "conspiracy" that some martians or the "man" are the cause of their failure.

one cranked out engineer will kill a lot of people..WHICH IN YOUR LOGIC ..IS OKAY..because you cant get a job when they keep drug testing people..

shows that dope heads are weak minded morons..

I believe someone said this earlier: Unless you drug test EVERYDAY, you wouldn't be able to tell unless the person is VISIBLY impaired. That's your flawed logic.

You keep picking at a hypothetical statement I posed as if it's some avocation of hard drug use... You are DESPERATELY trying to grasp at straws to tear me down. It's pathetic really, and shows that you really could care less about people getting off "drugs" and more about demonizing the users. I quit smoking weed for ten months and continue to abstain from smoking, and you believe that it's some kind of trick to get past drug tests. Perhaps I made the conscious decision to stop until I reach a point in life I am satisfied with, which could be many more years down the road. However, you don't care about people quitting or getting clean because in your eyes they will always be a "dope head".

This is your logic:
"one cranked out engineer will kill a lot of people..WHICH IN YOUR LOGIC ..IS OKAY..because you cant get a job when they keep drug testing people.."

I demonstrated how people abuse the system of drug testing, and you translate that as an avocation of drug use. And you REPEATEDLY ignore the fact that I am employed, and have been without being tested at all. But I'm the weak-minded one, because I prefer weed over alcohol despite partaking in neither at the moment. It seems you can barely retain information in your mind for longer than a few hours.

As you said:
"shows that dope heads are weak minded morons.."
So what dope are you doing right now?

you need to get over yourself every post on cannabis you get on and write the cannabis users are weak minded morons. and in past post i have provided a list of important people throughout history that used cannabis and have largely contributed to our country.
so get over the weak minded insults and take a long look into the mirror....conforming to what our govt. tells you to believe is WEAK MINDED. Cannabis has been used since 3750 B.C. i believe the B.C part refers to before Christ. so just maybe the "gods n liberals" dont know everything. i also believe that the first copies of the bible where written on hemp paper as well as the constitution.

You apparently are lacking in reading comprehension. I QUIT to get a job, which I got BTW. I thought I made that clear in the last post...

What's your excuse? They don't like hiring jerks?

fuck yeah.. "youareajoke" is a jerk . "youareajoke" thinks you used dope. maybe one day he/she will realize cannabis is not referred to as dope. hard drugs are. i always though dope is heroin.... maybe i am wrong...but if i tried to buy a bag of "dope" on the street i am pretty sure that i wouldn't be getting cannabis.

Lol.. agreed.