Miss. school prom off after lesbian's date request

attention? really?

god forbid she just wanted to take her girlfriend to a dance. that is completely unheard of. and women never wear suits so that's just crazy too.

the school made a big deal about this. what harm would be done by letting her attend

She cares for her community and the discrimination that members of that community face. Her fight is not selfish, it is a fight for all of us, in the community that is. You are obviously not part of that community or you wouldn't say what you did.

a dance would occur with discrimination toward a queer student. do you think she is the only queer teenager on the planet who wants to go to prom? do you think she is the only one at the school that thinks she should be allowed to go to the prom dressed how she wants? you're projecting your own opinions on the rest of the students

"If there really were as many as you state, there would have been rallies"

as many as i state? how many was that? you do a lot of assuming.

"she should have made her own dance."

she should be deprived of prom? maybe it's a girl thing but to a lot of people it's more than just some random party. in addition to the fact that prom costs a ton of money and takes a year to plan. do you think she could do all of that on such short notice? especially since to you she has no community support?

Didn't the school board show selfishness? They were the ones that wanted to hold a school function that excluded those that they did not deem fit to attend. I would imagine that Constance's parents paid their school taxes just as the other student's parents. The school board are the ones who canceled the prom, not her. I'm also thinking that the other student's parents will get together and hold their own private function. This way they can exclude all of those that aren't white, straight, christian and any others that don't fit into their idea of perfect.

Why prejudice was bad? Or why it needs to be removed? Does that really need ANY explanation?

Because, Ralphy J, "well-behaved women rarely make history", among other things. If we all conform to rules all of the time, nothing progressive would likely ever happen. Yes, it was a selfish act. Yes, she knew it would "stir the pot". She doesn't want SPECIAL treatment, Ralph, she wants EQUAL treatment! She most likely didn't address it until the Prom because she knew what the school board would do. And.. "if you're emotional and want to cry over them not being invited"... man. I just. I don't know what to say. What if, because of who you loved, your school barred you from coming to Prom with them? Not someone outstandingly older that could be sneaking in alcohol, not someone with a dangerous criminal background. Just someone that your school deemed unfit for you to be with, at a dance, which is widely considered the most important social function for high schoolers to go to. Among peers.

Just think about that, how that would make you feel. Then look at her actions. Are they really that bad? That selfish? What's worse: a world where the prom continues for the "greater good" of normalcy and school function and you stay at home, depressed because society doesn't treat you equally, OR: a world where people stand up for equality, thereby -inadvertently- ruining the "fun" of a Prom for the rest of their class.

Good job on completely avoiding my questions.

Equality would NOT be her abiding by the rules and wearing the dress. Also, clearly and plainly in the article...
"School policy requires that senior prom dates be of the opposite sex. "
and
"A Feb. 5 memo to students laid out the criteria for bringing a date to the prom, and one requirement was that the person must be of the opposite sex."

I don't know how it gets much clearer than that. Your arguments are full of fallacies. "Instead she turned into an anger fest and then all you have left is anger." That's a ridiculous assumption. Anger can turn into other things. Fallacy.

"Are you happy over this? No. Why? Because she reacted terribly." I forget what this one is called.. begging the question, putting words/ideas into other people's mouths. Fallacy.

"this was how THEY HAD to act." Fallacy. The school board had other options.

"And those that are fighting the school board are doing more damage. They don't care. They only care to be right." Fallacy! Putting words/ideas into other people's mouths. Based upon what they've said, they seem to be wanting to support equal rights. However, you -could- be right. A national civil rights organization's main goal is to swoop down into conservative territory to back a teenager just so they can flex their "i'm right" muscles.

Also, good luck being a homosexual teenager and organizing enough money and funding for a separate Prom-like function in a small southern town. I'm sure that would work out great. Separate functions... hmmm.. where have I heard that term before... ?

Congratulations, that is one of the most convoluted and illogical arguments that I have ever heard. The quickest way to tell if have have taken an irrational point is by how many different angles it takes you to explain it. But thank you for playing.

You're comparing the emotional and mental maturity of a teenager to a school board.

Sorry if this question wasn't exactly direct, let me re-post. You have two answers to choose from, as narrow-minded as I might be posing them:

"Just think about that, how that would make you feel. Then look at her actions. Are they really that bad? That selfish? What's worse: a world where the prom continues for the "greater good" of normalcy and school function and you stay at home, depressed because society doesn't treat you equally, OR: a world where people stand up for equality, thereby -inadvertently- ruining the "fun" of a Prom for the rest of their class."

I think they are reasonable responses. Thoughts?

I would have taken the side of anyone that is being discriminated against. Maybe it's the progressive in me that always wants to know why some people are treated better or worse than others simply because of unexplained social norms.

"Prom is for those that are like-minded enough to enjoy the night together."

1. no it's not.
2. how is she not like-minded? i'm sure there are plenty of students who support her. you can't pretend you know how the students feel about the situation since it hasn't been reported on.

"Then what if an all black college had a dance who would mostly be there? All back people. Maybe...maybe some white people as dates, but not as people that actually go to that school."

black college have students of other nationalities including mixed race people. and i'm pretty sure people are allowed to date out side of their race. their could and will be people other than black who do and do not go to that school

btw, you just negated your point. white people can go to the dance and it won't cause an uproar at a predominantly black dance. why can't a lesbian go to a dance at a predominantly straight dance?

"Is that really how you react to everything? Never siding with the majority"

lol you seem to see what you want to see

"I would have taken the side of anyone that is being discriminated against."

Ralph is a familiar personality behind a new name and face. This Ralph is gravitating to the same topics that the former incarnations have, Current it shit, homosexuals are selfish spoilers, liberals are Nazi bullies. etc. Look behind the mask of contrivance.

"The white person goes knowing that he'll be stared at."

wtf? why would they be stared at? i've gone to parties of predominantly other races (chinese, hmong, mexican, white, black) where i was the only person who was different and i never was stared at. even when i used to have a big metal ring through my nose. you must have some pretty warped views of blacks

"She would not like being stared at or talked about."

if she was comfortable enough to go to the dance dressed that way, with a girl; i'm pretty sure she's was out. i'm pretty sure people wouldn't stare at her because they already saw her every single day at school.

"If plenty support her then they cold have held their own dance."

you keep saying she has all of this support but at the same time you say that she has no support and everyone is mad at her for her decision. which one is it.

"She then complains about the outcome she knew would happen and expects sympathy."

agreed. rosa parks knew the rules. she should have gotten her lazy ass up and moved. wait, what were we talking about?

where i live the majority is mexicans and latin americans, they get discriminated against all the time. in the south slaves used to be the majority, and you know how well that panned out.

if white people are discriminated against can't they complain?

i know there are a lot of people on her that are considered "trolls" but regardless of that they are still people. i know the general rule is that they should be ignored but i feel that we should share our ideas with them because there might be just one that changes their mind a little. if we never had others question our ideas, we would never change and we'll never know how strongly we believe the things we believe

i'm an optimist, sue me

"Only Sith deal in absolutes."

;)

Are you an American? Fuck America? No, fuck you.

I agree with your sentiment entirely, however I am moved to be the word police when I point out that "Cali" is non-term created by tourists and should be expunged from every human lip. Cal. is correct or Calif is correct or California.

But Cali - this is blasphemy and should be thrown out like the plague. -Repudiated like bad pizza. Tossed.
Thank you very much, Yours truly, Word Police Captain.

Its a lot worse now. YOu have to be packing heat, and know how street fight just survive til graduation.

back when i was in school i had to worry weather the teacher was gonna teach or not, and if some of the teachers were gonna be racist...

It’s changed a lot. It’s no longer social Darwinism but literal Darwinism. In public schools you are fighting for survival and educational concerns are irrelevant . Between gangs drugs, and kids who don't care about pain and suffering of others, it gets pretty tribal.

Its spilled over to college now to. I lot of people are carrying pieces to college parties at night. They go there peacock and start fights.

I was at a frat party one time. And I saw a kid leaving out the back porch.. Someone came up and sucker punched the kid right in the eye.
Then a small group of about 4 kids kicked and punched in face while this kid was still on the ground. His eyes looked like bloody pulp. And they just left him ice in the dead of the night in the middle of winter.

wow... i graduated in 05 it went downhill quick...

you have that freedom to express yourself but i dont think you have the right to piss everybody because you are having an "me me me" moment..

I mean honestly, where else in this planet that you can even discuss this????????? try this in Iran and let me see how far you get..

better love the land of the free..its the only place in this planet that woudl tolerate liberals

so your saying the girl does not have the right to be happy, and its all a me me me moment for them? the whole dance should be scrapped because she wishes to bring her partner of choice? simply because they have the same anatomical features?

Lets see, in Canada is happens all the time, hell my high school had 4 totally open same gender couples 3 of them are still together 15 years later…

So, you think the only countries on this planet are the US and Iran?

Here is a clue- all the best countries on this planet (the ones with the longest life expectancy, highest average level of education, highest literacy rate, lowest poverty, etc ) are FILLED with liberals.

For one example, look North.

For a bunch of others, look to the North East, across the Atlantic.

The list of Liberal countries includes the US, which was FOUNDED on the liberal ideals of individual Human rights, and the Separation of Church and State.

If you want a conservative Theocracy, then YOU would feel comfortable in Iran.

and as far as rights, EVERY individual has the right to live their lives as they see fit, even if it pisses YOU off.

You have every right to BE pissed off, but you have NO right to stop others from pissing you off.

This is America.

".... I don't think you have the right to piss everybody (off) because you are having an (a) "me me me " moment.." That's pretty fresh coming from you, Godsandliberals. Wouldn't the point be that the school board pissed everybody off?

LMAO. You're hilariously outdated. :D

Also, fuck America -- 'Land of the Free [to do what the hell they tell you to]'.

"you have that freedom to express yourself but i dont think you have the right to piss everybody because you are having an "me me me" moment."

GodsnLiberals -- you have the right to express yourself on this website but you do not have the right to piss everyone off with you "me me me, i hate liberals" attitude. So please, stfu and gtfo! Thanks!

"fuck America"

then leave

you obviously don't give a fuck enough to fix it's problems so jump ship

we are very tribal animals same reaction if in a san francisco "whatever" parade..the california chapter of the Ku Klux Klan decided to join and and promote thier bullshit..i bet you would react the same way as these "southerners"...

what i think she should do??? with the money she will be saving on a tux..take her girlfriend to a nice restuarant and have gay ol time...but why put up and be sorrounded by homophoebes..right??

Well i hate to break it to you but we live in a society that cannot subtly make change we must force it upon people. Honestly in the past twenty years many have came out of the closet and it is good that people are starting to feel comfortable with who they are and the people who will say that its not ok because god doesn't like it? This girl is doing the right thing fighting for her all men are created equal, women challenged it then african americans did its about time homosexuals took their right to be equal.

also on a side note, women went on hunger strikes in the beginning of the century, blacks protested and had ammonia dumped on them, in modern times now i guess gays will stop proms, all radical and all necessary for the furthering of the human race.

have "A" gay ol time.
and it's spelled homo-P-H-O-B-E-S. and "s-U-r-r-o-u-n-d-e-d"

exhibiting your stupidity as a conservative, learn how to fucking spell and type it out. "liberals" can usually do that!

I agree, its time for the gay revolution to lead the entire world to world peace. No group has been more hated and despised and well equipped to learn tolerance and forgiveness and now to teach it to the intolerant world. We are daily taking radical actions to bring these changes about through promotion of our national identity and our spiritual identity. We are human beings and our lives have meaning. We create the meaning by not crumbling under the pressure society's intolerance brings to bear on us. It doesn't matter if we are surrounded by homophobes because we take ownership of it all.

Let's not make up arbitrary hierarchies of oppression.

Also, 'tolerance' is a ridiculous concept, friend. One tolerates pain and inconvenience. The word 'acceptance' is one word that's more appropriate.

You take ownership of nothing. The gay population is nowhere near where the media wants you to think it is. The "Gay Revolution"? Yeah right. The religious right still rules the south. You won't force acceptance on anyone, you'll just antagonize them and make it worse.

godsnleberals is NOT conservative, just homophobic.

real conservatives do not care about other peoples sexual orientations.

"The gay population is nowhere near where the media wants you to think it is"

meaning?

You know that it really is not the kids. The kids usually don't care. It is the school authorities that are making this more than it is. If they did not shine the light on it as if it would be an earth shattering event, it would probably just happen and no one would care.

The school authorities are justifying the mistreatment of homosexuals by specifically excluding them from school activities. It is wrong no matter how you look at it.

The only good thing about my idea is that a gay prom would be way more awesome than a straight one. Straights do not know how to have a good time. :)

its the "kids time" as you say. They have an equal right to show up and have their prom dream or whatever as the other kids. and the article points out that the adminsitration placed the ban, not the students. And they aren't trying to hold a pride parade at prom.

Wait... did you just endorse segregation? In the year 2010? Dude... seriously?

agreed

just exactly how do the baptists win in the end?

Did you just say that there are more babtists than liberals? because i think you might want to re-run your numbers there.

Well, If he lives in Mississippi, that just may be true:)

No he meant more baptists than homosexuals, which is also not true, because with homosexuality still being a cause for violence, hatred, oppression and murder, most homosexuals are in the closet.

I have had several well qualified clergy from both Catholicism and Protestantism who were privy to here hundreds of thousands of confessions from their flocks, it was in an interfaith alliance meeting of pastors, priests and councilors. Well they gave estimates that if homosexuality were normalized, more than half the population would come out of the closet; provided they had constitutional guarantees of safety and recognition of their basic human rights.

There are literally half of the Church Going folk who are living a lie, pretending to be heterosexual, fantasizing about relationships with the same sex, masturbating thinking about homosexual encounters and confessing their sins to their priest, pastor, deacon or councilor. That is a lot of people living a lie because of the basic intolerance of most Christian denominations as well is Islam.

Judaism already accepts homosexuals as full citizens with equal rights, even to marriage. And both Islam and Christianity are offshoots of Judaism; the key here being Abraham and his friendship with God.

Do make your snide comments BIGDADDY, because your days and your hate mongering fellow Baptists are going to go bye bye. I will pray that your rapture comes ASAP so we can get on about the business of creating a world of peace and love and tolerance.

"just DIG IN for the fight against liberal, close minded people like yourself!" Calling someone a close-minded liberal is an oxymoron. I surprised no one else caught that.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Let her go in a tux if she wants. Sometimes this country makes me wanna beat my head against a wall....IT'S 2010, ASSHOLES!

And yet, some people keep living like it was the 50's...