Earth Care Group Blog: Climate Change Impacts

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In the future we will invite others to contribute postings to this blog on any environmental topic of their choice. We want to create a group where information is not hindered by political and ideological barriers. A place where truth can be discussed in order for solutions and actions to follow. I hope you will be a participant in this.
Thank you,
Jan
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Climate Change Impacts: by Tommic
Global warming has become perhaps the most complicated issue facing world leaders. On the one hand, warnings from the scientific community are becoming louder, as an increasing body of science points to rising dangers from the ongoing buildup of human-related greenhouse gases — produced mainly by the burning of fossil fuels and forests. On the other, the technological, economic and political issues that have to be resolved before a concerted worldwide effort to reduce emissions can begin have gotten no simpler, particularly in the face of a global economic slowdown.
At the heart of the debate is a momentous tussle between rich and poor countries over who steps up first and who pays most for changed energy menus. People worldwide must come to the realization that we will have to pay now or later but we will pay in the end and the cost to the economies of the world will suffer greater the longer we wait.
96 percent of the worlds glaciers are shrinking.
The continued retreat of glaciers will have a number of different quantitative impacts. In areas that are heavily dependent on water runoff from glaciers that melt during the warmer summer months, a continuation of the current retreat will eventually deplete the glacial ice and substantially reduce or eliminate runoff. A reduction in runoff will affect the ability to irrigate crops and will reduce summer stream flows necessary to keep dams and reservoirs replenished. This situation is particularly acute for irrigation in South America, where numerous artificial lakes are filled almost exclusively by glacial melt. Central Asian countries have also been historically dependent on the seasonal glacier melt water for irrigation and drinking supplies. In Norway, the Alps, and the Pacific Northwest of North America, glacier runoff is important for hydropower.
Pine Island glacier in Antarctic is being depleted at the rate of 16 meters per year loss of ice depth Larson ice shelves a and b are already gone with Larson B being the size of Rhode Island
The recent collapse of Wordie Ice Shelf, Prince Gustav Ice Shelf, Mueller Ice Shelf, Jones Ice Shelf, Larsen-A and Larsen-B Ice Shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula has raised awareness of how dynamic ice shelf systems are. Jones ice Shelf had an area of 35 km2 in the 1970s but by 2008 it had disappeared. Wordie Ice Shelf has gone from an area of 1500 square kilometers in 1950 to 140 km2 in 2000. Prince Gustav Ice Shelf has gone from an area of 1600 km2 to 11 km2 in 2008. After their loss the reduced buttressing of feeder glaciers has allowed the expected speed-up of inland ice masses after shelf ice break-up. . The Wilkins Ice Shelf is another ice shelf that has suffered substantial retreat. The ice shelf had an area of 16,000 km2 (6,200 sq mi) in 1998 when 1,000 km2 (390 sq mi) was lost.In 2007 and 2008 significant rifting developed and led to the loss of another 1,400 km2 (540 sq mi) of area.
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ampersand
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Jan,
Your assessment of the global environmental crisis is both succinct and eloquent.
The devastation we've waged on the planet and each other is grounded in our inability to extend empathy. The fact that this devastation continues on every level of our contact with our world, with each other, and with our selves, is a failure of will.
The central question is whether the human race in its present size and form is capable of effectively addressing the problem. With only the most minute number of exceptions, the overwhelming evidence is that as a whole, we are most certainly not.
Naturally, I am curious if a tiny fraction of humans can make a difference in this equation.
Historical patterns are not an accurate predictor of events, but it’s possible that a continuing disruption and possible collapse, of social, economic, and environmental systems may lead to an era similar to medieval experience of what we casually call the Dark Ages, where some threads of knowledge, imperfectly preserved, were maintained by a small dedicated group in a few remote towers while war and pestilence washed over the land for centuries.
Alternately, of course, mankind could miraculously wake up overnight due to the clarion call of its advances in communications and technology and bring an instant healing to the planet and create an Edenic and peaceful world.
Although I hope for the second alternative, given the circumstances and evidence that solution seems wildly optimistic.
In either case, it would seem the most rational solution is what you and others have suggested, individually understanding and reconnecting to the earth in a safe and sustainable way.
Like others, I expect, I do that as a manner of course. I wish others the best in that pursuit as well, and help them whenever possible. It’s a good way to spend one’s time on the planet.
I hope that Earth Care forum will be useful in that regard. - 1 year ago
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ampersand:
Yes, we are in dire need of another Renaissance. The hope we can always carry with us, is that those small pockets of people dedicated to your second scenario are out here.
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Common sense tell us that the the point of no return is already passed. Furthermore, when the delicate balance in our geophysical system is rubbed the consequences are not easy or even possible to predict.
How could we possibly minimize the consequences for impacts which will occur but we are unable to predict? I would suggest to put the efforts in prediction models. Not everybody will survive that's the history of our planet and we see it everyday.
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http://current.com/items/91269171_soil-carbon-putting-carbon-back-where-it-belon...
This post is in line with the solutions I mentioned in my previous response. I also think we are making the solutions to this harder than they have to be. Some think we now need to struggle to come up with some new technological gadgets, when the solutions are so simple really, only requring the will to implement them. Putting carbon back into soil through sustainable agricultural practices, reforestation, etc. alone would preserve up to 30% give or take of our Co2 emissions. Honestly, I think it is now hard for some to admit that the methods we transitioned to ( including the "Green Revolution") because profit was the primary motive have not worked. People simply hate to admit they were wrong... however, in order for us to save the climate balance of this planet in order for us and future generations to live here, humility is going to have to be part of this equation as well. I am truly concerned that glacier melt has reached a tipping point in the Arctic, and that does not bode well for the climate of this planet. That is simply the facts.
http://current.com/items/92320096_earth-care-group-blog-earth-care-so-much-more-...
It's time to get back to the land.
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JanforGore
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stephhicks
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Thank you for posting these pictures and starting this blog. Regardless of "climate gate" or one freak winter of snowstorms, there is photographic evidence that our earth is warming!
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stephhicks:
You're welcome. And yes, Earth is warming and patterns are shifting. We must now move to a planning and solutions stage. We must prepare to adapt to a harsher planet if possible, and undertake the solutions that will preserve our climate balance and slow this down before it reaches the tipping point that we are precariously close to now. This is where discussion of those solutions will hopefully come into play in this group.
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stephhicks:
and plenty of scientific evidence as well, one only need to look for it the symptoms are all around us
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tommic:
Yes, most certainly. We've posted about climate change on our blog, as well. I certainly cannot understand the mindset of people who wish to ignore the signs all around that atmospheric and habitat conditions have made a significant shift overall in recent decades.
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tommic:
Symptoms? lol the earth hasnt warmed for 15 years!
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ibrake4rappers13:
Hey dude as co moderater I am going to give you a chance at getting smarter. If you persist in your denier mentality and are unwilling to learn about climate change and its impacts you will be blocked from earth care for good. All are welcome with opinon respected but flat out falsehood will be dealt with, namely you being banned its your choice do some research come up with facts or shut up and be banned
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ibrake4rappers13:
If the earth hasn't warmed within the past 15 years, then the increase in California wild fires must be one hell of a non related fluke.
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Varex_Sythe:
What about the record snowstorm in the east?
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tommic:
I dont plan on joining your group, im thinking about creating my own "green" group, Without scaring people into submission with the scare tactic of "global warming"
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ibrake4rappers13:
Sorry for the late reply, forgot about this thread.
Anyhow, a lot of the Northeastern areas get snow in the winter. It is quite likely that the freakish amount of snow this year doesn't have much to do with abnormally low temperatures, but instead has to do with an abnormally high amount of precipitation in the atmosphere.
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courage
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thousands froze to death in 2009-2010 coldest winter on record
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courage:
and so? Does that refute climate change? Are you able or unable to absorb all the information available today, or do you just cherry pick information? Cherry pickers have stained hands.
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We hope to convey through this series of articles that the symptoms of what lay ahead are all here for us to see. Climate change is real and the consequences tragic if we fail to act. Enviornmental enlightenment is really necessary for those of us who care to make a difference. Every long trek starts with that single step.
We hope you follow, comment and can add to what is certian to be engauging.
Its not about whether its happening or not, it is. The questions are how do we convey this moral imperitive? How do we influence those who make those decisions(our elected officials)? What can we do individually? Honest debate please! - 1 year ago
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tommic:
How can we be even more closed minded? :D
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Again, thank you for writing this Tommic. I think it is imperative that people understand the processes of the Earth that bring us to this time and place. and I just want to mention to those who may read this and say it is only natural that not ONE scientist, or Al Gore, or anyone else has ever stated that there are not natural variations in the flux of our planet. We all know this. What is now unique and urgent about this crisis however, is that we as humans are through our activities exacerbating the pace and breadth of the effects of variations, and also creating effects where there were none. It is undeniable that glaciers worldwide are melting. Accounts from people who live in these areas are bountiful as is evidence from scientific testing in the Arctic and can be found if you really want the truth.
And while some others may balk at this and say this isn't going to get worse in their lifetime, well then, what about he lifetime of your children and theirs? Don't you care about that? I am very disappointed that this crisis has been so politicized because it demeans the substance of the discussion. Hopefully in this group that discussion can take place without the interference of agendas.
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entry continued:
In one study of 244 glaciers on the peninsula, 212 have retreated an average of 600 m (2,000 ft) from where they were when first measured in 1953. The greatest retreat was seen in Sjogren Glacier, which is now 13 km (8.1 mi) further inland than where it was in 1953. There are 32 glaciers that were measured to have advanced; however, these glaciers showed only a modest advance averaging 300 m (980 ft) per glacier, which is significantly smaller than the massive retreat observed.
Arctic arches that contain sea ice from escaping into the Pacific at the Bering Strait and the Atlantic at the Nords strait have failed to stop the doubling of ice released into the oceans with real possibilities of further diluting salt water and effecting ocean currents.
Geophysical Research Letters, used satellites and buoys to show that winds since 2000 had pushed huge amounts of thick old ice out of the Arctic basin past Greenland. The thin floes that formed on the resulting open water melted quicker or could be shuffled together by winds and similarly expelled. The pace of change has far exceeded what had been estimated by almost all the simulations used to envision how the Arctic will respond to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases linked to Global warming. Proponents of cuts in greenhouse gases cited the meltdown as proof that human activities are propelling a slide toward climate calamity.
The Greenland glaciers that cover the island contain enough water to raise sea level twenty feet, or seven meters. It was once thought (and that was only six years ago) that the glaciers would be self-sustaining even in a warming world because of size and so on. We now know that not only are the edges melting fast, but the surface melt is seeping through the ice to lubricate the junction between the glacier and the rock underneath. This is the unexpected factor that has turned scientific attention onto this escalating problemWhen this happens much of this mountain of water will flow into the sea. Already twenty-one of the great glacial masses are moving seawards eight times faster than ten years ago and disintegrating three times faster than in the preceding five years. The Greenland, Alaskan and West Antarctic ice sheets together hold about 25% of the fresh water on the planet. The effects of the collapse of either ice sheet would be huge. Once you lost one of these ice sheets, there's no putting it back for thousands of years, if ever.
If they disintegrate, sea level could rise nearly 20 meters, possibly in only one decade. This would swamp most cities and ports, as well a much of the best agricultural land.
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