Idaho first to sign law against health care reform

i mean really..everybody should have healthcare .but people tend to forget that you need to put something in the pot before you can get something out of it..

TOO MANY LEECHES...

I can't agree with you enough. Brilliantly stated!!!

Being alive is a right! Absolutely. I think that the smug and greedy would rather let people die so that they can solely have health insurance. The rest of the world helps their fellow citizens with healthcare. Why is it such a crazy idea to want to help our citizens?

Let's help the poor and needy, not the smug and greedy.

So.....if I were a State and wanted to legalize the slavery of African Americans, should I be allowed to do that? State Rights is a bullshit arguement. We need to ensure that the rights of citizenship (police protection, access to fair housing, emergency resuce) extend to ALL states.

A citizen must enjoy all basic rights of citizenship in all States. Those rights shouldn't end once we enter Alabama or Texas, should they?

I'm not talking about basic rights of citizenship. I'm talking about a trillion dollar entitlement program that we will all be forced into whether we want to be or not.

Socialism? You are a puppet!

Bush stated when he and Cheney were in charge that they won, and their decisions are what the majority of Americans would have to abide by. I state to you that if Bush and Cheney wouldn't have put our country into such a mess and ruined things that maybe we could be torturing some more people around the world and cutting some more taxes to improve our economy.

So you are opposed to helping people why?

Just like Bush rammed the Iraq war down our throats. Just like Bush rammed tax cuts down our throats that got us into our economic situation. Just like Bush rammed torture down our throats and ignored Habeas Corpus. Then he rammed the Homeland Security Department down our throats and made the government even larger. Just like he rammed down our throats the 11 trillion dollar deficit down our throats.

So now you are proposing that the President is trying to help a large number of Americans and do a truly GOOD thing, and you are saying it is a bad thing?

Seriously?

Yeah, well I never voted for George Bush either, just for your information. And I don't see raising people's taxes in a economic recession and reducing their quality of care as a "good thing".

I'm not opposed to helping people. You want to help people, donate to charity, no one is stopping you. I'm opposed to being forced into a massive deficit increasing government entitlement program that I will most certainly raise my taxes and reduce my quality of care.

Do you drive a car?

What's that got to do with it? No one is forced to buy a car.

Car insurance (at least liability insurance) is a requirement in order to own and operate a vehicle. If you don't have it, you get a ticket and pay a fine.

But you don't have to have a car if you don't want one. No one is forcing you to buy a car. We have a responsibility to see that you are qualified to drive a car for your safety and others on the road, driver's license, insurance, etc. But if you don't want to do all that, then you don't have to. No one forces you to buy a car.

I was bringing up insurance though because I think that was what Lovelander was trying to get at. No you don't have to own a car, but most Americans need a car(s), especially if you have a family. Unless you live in a city with an amazing public transportation system a vehicle is a necessity to get to work, school, daycare, grocery store, etc.

IMHO cars are a need more than a want.

And with that need we have to pay insurance. But I much rather pay $100 a month than get into a wreck and pay for,my hospital bills, car damage and the second party's hospital bills and car damage.

So then you've made a choice based on what you feel your circumstances and needs are. You didn't need the government to make that decision for you and you certainly weren't forced into a government program. It was your choice to own a car.

You're exactly right, just like it is a woman's choice to do what she wants with her body, without any government influence.

We are all Americans and have a responsibility to take care of each other and have compassion regardless of the situation they find themselves in. Freedom from compassion is cruelty and freedom from responsibility is selfishness.

the problem with that is WE ARE ALREADY BROKE FROM HELPING TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY PEOPLE..

shit i am even paying for some illegal alien's medical bills here in los angeles...

i dont trust the government to regulate it enough to make it work!!!!!!!!!!!

We can express compassion through our words and our deeds, we can give to charity, we can donate, we do not and should not need the government to force us into it. Look at how Americans stepped up for Haiti, did we need the government to tell us there were people in need? How selfish is it to just expect to have something for free when you have not lifted a finger to work for it or earn it?

I'm for that.

"when you have not lifted a finger to work for it or earn it?" I work a full time job, yet I can not afford Health insurance, it would cost me more than half my yearly income to buy Health Insurance on my own. In fact, the estimated cost for a single person's coverage is $15,000. The Federal Poverty rate is $11,000. A $4,000 dollar difference. This is a ridiculous rate. This is like charging someone for Air.

Air is free, a medical degree and hospital equipment aren't. Nobody ever said life was going to be fair.

Air is only free because no one has found a way to prevent people from breathing it in. Otherwise it would be sold as a commodity. I never said that medical equipment was free, however there is a difference between recouping expenses and salaries, and making a profit for shareholders. There are plenty of people who make a LOT of money at non-profits. You think that not for profit businesses do not charge or pay wages?

No I drive a 350 Ford Dully Desil 4 Wheel Drive ...and when I hit the back ass of your chunk of tin I won't even spill my Beer!

Selfishness/ Self intrest/Greed/Evil Republicans...Do you honestly think someone vollenteering there time will work as hard as someone who is under pressure to feed his own Family ? ...Is someone who is Vollenteering there time going to look at someone who is slacking on the job and say! Hey I will happely take up your slack? Of course not! It is exactly (((SELF INTREST))) that drives americans to do better !!!
Drive harder!!! think smarter!!! WORK for hours on end to come up with the better flashlight!!! it is exactly (((SELF INTREST))) that has made America what it is (((The greatest nation on the Planet))) We are free to follow our dreams ...Do you think some Beraucrat in washing DC. some how does not hav some other ((((SELF INTREST))) for voting this way or that way??? do you think any Political ((((SELF INTREST ))))) is some how better than Henry Ford's self intrest to provide "ECONIMIC TRANSPORTATION TO THE MASSES" ...WHAT DUMBASS PROFESSOR CONVINCED YOU HE DID IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN TO BE A BETTER PROVIDER FOR HIS FAMILY! .................... I HOPE NONE BECAUSE THEN YOUR THE DUMB ASS!

Pls, not Adam Smith again. What about managers "optimizing" costs and letting personnel go? Or avoiding taxes? Outsourcing? Or banks speculating?

But you are forced - by law - to purchase car insurance if you want to drive a car.

And no one is making you be healthy either. Eat all the cupcakes, smoke all the crack, drink all the beer you want. In the end John your taxes WILL be paying for their care.

I don't drive a car - I have a helicopter.

No one forces you to buy or drive a car though. This would be like the government forcing you to buy a CAR.

You are not forced - by law - to drive a car.

Its like having to pay be alive.