Canadian government 'hiding truth about climate change', report claims
source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/18/climate-change-canada
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/18/climate-change-canada
Canada's climate researchers are being muzzled, their funding slashed, research stations closed, findings ignored and advice on the critical issue of the century unsought by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government, according to a 40-page report by a coalition of 60 non-governmental organisations."This government says they take climate change seriously but they do nothing and try to hide the truth about climate change," said Graham Saul, representing Climate Action Network Canada (CAN), which produced the report "Troubling Evidence".
"We want Canadians to understand what's going on with this government," Saul told IPS.
Climate change is not an abstract concept. It already results in the deaths of 300,000 people a year, virtually all in the world's poorest countries. Some 325 million people are being seriously affected, with economic losses averaging 125 billion dollars a year, according to "The Anatomy of a Silent Crisis", the first detailed look at climate change and the human impacts.
Released last fall by the Geneva-based Global Humanitarian Forum, the report notes that these deaths and losses are not just from the rise in severe weather events but mainly from the gradual environmental degradation due to climate change.
"People everywhere deserve to have leaders who find the courage to achieve a solution to this crisis," writes Kofi Annan, former U.N. secretary-general and president of the Forum, in the report.
Canadians are unlikely to know any of this.
"Media coverage of climate change science, our most high-profile issue, has been reduced by over 80 percent," says internal government documents obtained by Climate Action Network.
The dramatic decline results from a 2007 Harper government-imposed prohibition on government scientists speaking to reporters. Canadian scientists have told IPS they required permission from the prime minister's communications office to comment on their own studies made public in scientific journals and reports.
If permission is granted, it requires written questions submitted in advance and often replies by scientists have to go through a vetting process. Within six months, reporters stopped calling and media coverage declined, the leaked report noted.
While climate experts were being muzzled, known climate change deniers were put in key positions on scientific funding bodies says Saul. The report documents three appointments and their public statements that climate change is a myth or exaggerated.
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--------" Strange that the gov't is doing that"--------
Not at all. The Canadian government figures to be the biggest beneficiary
of global warming.Melting of the arctic ice sheets is already opening the way to exploiting much of the arctic that was not accessible before. Primarily by opening ice free shipping lanes in the arctic ocean.
That is why the Canadian government, in spite of "green" talk and showcase projects to lull public opinion about their concern for the environment----is pressing ahead plans to push through plans and investment in tar sands development. They KNOW that despite any carbon savings by wind, solar, hydro or other renewable energy sources is minuscule by comparison to the increased CO2 released by tar sands development. Global warming is the real goal---anything else is a shell game devised to fool the public. Say one thing, do the opposite,
It all boils down to a very old human policy, greed.
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Strange that the gov't is doing that. Schools are top-notch though. I learned all about global warming from elementary school. It got a lot more in depth in high school, of course. As long as schools step up, the younger generation will kick Harper's butt.
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div:
Why do you think they are doing it?
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carmalite
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Dagum
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They are hiding the truth. The truth being:
THAT global warming is completely bunk.
THAT the model and computer code in the climategate emails revealed the formula being used in climate change models subtracted the temperature from the 1940’s and added them to the 1960’s. (like Michael Mann “nature trick” for his infamous hockey stick graph)
THAT it is no longer just “skeptics’ scientists saying global warming is a fraud.
THAT the believer’s scientists are now saying there is no evidence to support global warming. .
THAT the believer's own, Professor Phil Jones, Director of the U.N.'s Climate Research Unit, in a newly released interview stated.
In his own convoluted OPINION he “believes the planet is warming”
While in the same interview stating a FACT: “Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming? Phil Jones- "Yes,"
THAT since there are no DATA to support his OPINION on global warming, it is a belief.
THAT since there is no data to support global warming “science” it is a belief akin to a religious one.
THAT as such, global warming has achieved legal status as a religious belief.
Climategate computer code: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/climategate-the-smoking-code/
Phil Jones Interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stm
Global warming Legal status as religion: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-s....
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Dagum
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Dagum:
Listing a couple of sites isn't going to add any credibility to your claim. I can google global warming and find hundreds of sites supporting the opposite of your views. I place my faith in the hands of mainstream experts and have a "better safe than sorry" attitude about this whole ordeal. I would rather gamble with some tax hikes rather than risk having hell on earth.....
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Dagum:
You misrepresent everything that you cite.
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chinese_democracy:
Professor Phil Jones is one of your Own. If you won't listen to your own scientists that, under Mandate of the United Nations, are Charged with Directing Climate Reseach Units to prove global warming;
Well then yes "Faith" is an applicable term and you may place it in which mainstream media news anchor you like.
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Dagum
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WakeUpPeople:
lets hear it...
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Dagum:
You just don't understand the science behind it all. I'm not shocked becuse you are looking for information in arenas that only support your preconceived notions. The reason Jones was able to say that there wasn't significant warming from '95 on AND that global warming has occurred is because climatologists use 30-40 year blocks to determine if there is a warming trend. They do this to account for annual fluctuations and tipping points.
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Dagum:
I used the word faith for a reason, yes. I don't know what's going to happen and neither do you. The stakes are VERY high in this game your playing and if you're wrong then we are all going to pay and I don't understand what you have to gain by doing nothing.
The concept is simple and almost universally accepted: pollution=bad. If you understand this, then why do you have such stark opposition to Global Warming theory? If the supporters are wrong then we still will at least have a cleaner air, water and land as we progress towards greener technology.
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WakeUpPeople:
Therein lays a problem:
Scientific method: you don't put the theory before the data. You need data to turn your hypothesis into a theory. Otherwise your theory is only based on "preconceived notions" and is not a theory.
I don't doubt that despite the fact there has been no warming for 15 years,
global warming scientists are going to say they still need 40, 50, 100 more years of research.Why? It takes a certain type of person with strong "preconceived notions” to select global warming scientist as a chosen career path. They make a living off of grant money, and U.N. money to prove just that.
So even though after 15 years there is no data to support global warming they will not flat out say "our preconceived notions that the globe was warming where wrong," thereby disgracing their chosen profession and losing their reason for employment. They will simply say we need 40 more years of time, and money.
Aside from that, there are a host of ethnical questions raised from whipping the public into a frenzy about a global warming apocalypse without data to back it up.
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Dagum:
The data is there. The science is there. The logic is there. The evidence is there. The warming is there. The melting of ice caps is there. The ocean acidification/hypoxia/warming is there. The extreme weather is there. The greenhouse effect has been proven and is there. The pollution is there. The global scientific consensus is there. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... What specific warning sign are you you waiting for?
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chinese_democracy:
"pollution=bad"
This is always what it boils down to on Current.
Yes we need to fight against pollution. But not by using Scientific fraud and scare tactics. Not only will the public lose faith in scientific process but the green movement will lose credibility in eyes of the general public as well.
More importantly the amount of money being funneled into the global warming cause could have been used to purchase half the rainforests in South America for preservation.
Yes Pollution IS bad. But Lets attack Pollution instead of going outside and railing against the climate, and then pretending we made environmental progress.
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WakeUpPeople:
Scientific data! Not speculation or preconceived notions that global warming scientists need 40 more years to get results.
Side note: the Ice melting claims made by IPCC were based off a student’s dissertation and a magazine article. The IPCC knew they were false but wanted to drum up support for Copenhagen.
http://current.com/items/92051236_mountain-ice-disappearance-claims-by-ipcc-base...
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Dagum:
The IPCC admits when they make mistakes. They never make any statements that are with 100% certainty. They always leave room for the unknown. This is not a group of alarmist ecomaniacal wackos. They are scientists using their extensive knowledge on the subject to try to discern what is happening and why. They are humans and are capable of making mistakes, but you would be a fool to say that because there was an error in one equation on one study that it is best to throw out the entire subject of climate science. In many other cases their prediction trajectories weren't as drastic/dangerous as the actual observations. For you to think that the entire global climatologist group is trying to trick the world into giving them money is ridiculous. That would have to be one of the largest and least likely conspiracy theories I've heard. Especially when you have evidence from many other scientific fields (marine biology, etemology, atmospheric science, NASA, and every recognized Academy of science) that supports the anthropogenic climate change theory. I know that you will dig and dig until you find an article that might reveal a surface blemish on the science, but that does not mean that the science is not solid - it just means that it's not 100% perfect (as is NOTHING)
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Dagum:
Then why are the glaciers and polar ice sheets melting?
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Must have a lot of canadians on this site.
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The Alberta Tar Sands is one of the largest industrial polluters in the world and a huge cash cow. Extreme climate change... What extreme climate change?
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*gasps* David Suzuki, watch out!
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How has climate change killed 300,000 people a year?, isn't it just weather, how do you know which deaths to attribute to a slightly warmer planet.
I would like more info on how they have supported this bit in particular
"Climate change is not an abstract concept. It already results in the deaths of 300,000 people a year, virtually all in the world's poorest countries. Some 325 million people are being seriously affected, with economic losses averaging 125 billion dollars a year, according to "The Anatomy of a Silent Crisis", the first detailed look at climate change and the human impacts."
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Uelthomas:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/29/1
Here's some more info on that claim.
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WakeUpPeople:
Thank you. An interesting read. A related article says "Number of people affected by extreme weather has doubled in 30 years and is expected to reach 375 million a year by 2015" yet in the last 30-40 years the worlds population has also doubled, meaning the proportion of people affected is the same, it is population-density in poor countries that have caused "more severe" extreme weather.
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Uelthomas:
http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/t/tr/trends_in_natu...
It is true that the population growth affects the number of people who are affected when an extreme weather event occurs, but that does not dispute the increase in the number of recorded events and/or severity. It simply increases the devastation per event.
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WakeUpPeople:
That graph sucks. For one thing they've added earthquakes into both lines, which makes them both look similar. In the all disasters they put insect infestation, basically like it says that could all be because of increase in communications around the world that let us now what is happening, plus before whos to say we were actually bothered about what happened elsewhere, there are two world wars in that early period. The seconds not so bad but trends in reported events will always be bad science if you're looking at any significant period of the past.
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wait, canada is doing something shady? canada is doing something period? holy crap.
there's so much climate crap/scandal coming out right now it's hard to say anything about it anymore
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Maybe what is needed is another Monkey Wrench Gang?
Instead of asking politicans to please regulate polluters...maybe a solution is for concerned citizens to simply "disable" a companies ability to pollute?
Note: That when Conservatives talk about a "citizens uprising" to combat the "tyranically dictator Obama" such suggestion is always met with applause. When talking about a citizens uprising to combat polluters who keep posioning the air and water and giving everyone cancer....the suggestion is met with boos from Conservatives.
Apparently the only "just" uprising in their worldview is the one that focusing on banning same-sex marriage and lowering tax rates for billioniares.
It would be nice if instead of constantly talking about overthrowing the government (which realistically doesn't have much impact on our daily lives) the Cons and Tea Baggers turned their wrath on corporations and manufactuerers.
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Honestly, this makes me want to say 'what's the point of fighting, if it's impossible to win?'.
These politicians and industry leaders are so blinded by greed and beliefs. Ugh, I wish for ONCE we had a smart person in office.
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CalPal:
...and then another 500 in Congress so we can get climate legislation.
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its stupid Harper, I'm so sick of that guy
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I'm afraid that the internet is the only hope for climate change awareness, and what makes me even more afraid is that the govt is the only hope for significant climate change action. We can all do our part, but the only way to get the energy industries to make changes is through mandates. Too bad the energy industries are well represented in the govt. $$$ Cha-ching $$$ It would probably be better for their shareholders if the climate scientists were shut up. Oh look... that's what's happening.
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